Being honest with ourselves about injectables

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Anonymous wrote:We spent the last several years saying the weight on the scale doesn’t matter, but it’s other health measures. So now the same folks are saying that was just bs and the number of the scale is the key?

There are people who are overweight but have normal blood pressure, cholesterol, blood sugar, etc. and for those people, the extra weight probably doesn’t matter. But for the vast majority of people, losing weight will improve health metrics like blood pressure, cholesterol, and blood sugar.

Nice gaslighting and changing the topic. Some of us remember the Health at every size movements.

Were those movements started by physicians or "influencers"?

H.A.E.S. started in the 1960s...

You can literally search for a doctor that champions HAES when looking for a new physician...

Yet suddenly, the scale now matters again.

Where? Because no physician that I have ever been to has told me I was healthy at any size? Stop making shit up.

Also, stop pretending that we still do things that we did in the 60s.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We spent the last several years saying the weight on the scale doesn’t matter, but it’s other health measures. So now the same folks are saying that was just bs and the number of the scale is the key?

There are people who are overweight but have normal blood pressure, cholesterol, blood sugar, etc. and for those people, the extra weight probably doesn’t matter. But for the vast majority of people, losing weight will improve health metrics like blood pressure, cholesterol, and blood sugar.

Nice gaslighting and changing the topic. Some of us remember the Health at every size movements.

Were those movements started by physicians or "influencers"?

This was way before influencers.

Again, was it the medical community?

The National Institute of Health, John's Hopkins, UC Berkley, etc have all done countless studies and promotions of it. Does that satisfy your "medical community" requirement?

What did the studies say?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Perhaps it's condescending attitudes like yours that make people think twice when asked to explain their weight loss methodology.

I don't think anyone on here is saying that a number on a scale defines health. Of course, being at a healthy weight is an important indicator, but it's just one data point.

Your disdain and judgement comes screaming through your post in a really off-putting way.

Agreed, and it's very unprofessional.

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Anonymous wrote:We spent the last several years saying the weight on the scale doesn’t matter, but it’s other health measures. So now the same folks are saying that was just bs and the number of the scale is the key?

There are people who are overweight but have normal blood pressure, cholesterol, blood sugar, etc. and for those people, the extra weight probably doesn’t matter. But for the vast majority of people, losing weight will improve health metrics like blood pressure, cholesterol, and blood sugar.

Nice gaslighting and changing the topic. Some of us remember the Health at every size movements.

Were those movements started by physicians or "influencers"?

This was way before influencers.

Again, was it the medical community?

The National Institute of Health, John's Hopkins, UC Berkley, etc have all done countless studies and promotions of it. Does that satisfy your "medical community" requirement?

What did the studies say?

If you are actually interested, I’m sure you look it up and find out. Since you don’t seem to be interested in actual discussion here, I’m not going to do any work for you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We spent the last several years saying the weight on the scale doesn’t matter, but it’s other health measures. So now the same folks are saying that was just bs and the number of the scale is the key?

There are people who are overweight but have normal blood pressure, cholesterol, blood sugar, etc. and for those people, the extra weight probably doesn’t matter. But for the vast majority of people, losing weight will improve health metrics like blood pressure, cholesterol, and blood sugar.

Nice gaslighting and changing the topic. Some of us remember the Health at every size movements.

Were those movements started by physicians or "influencers"?

H.A.E.S. started in the 1960s...

You can literally search for a doctor that champions HAES when looking for a new physician...

Yet suddenly, the scale now matters again.

Where? Because no physician that I have ever been to has told me I was healthy at any size? Stop making shit up.

Also, stop pretending that we still do things that we did in the 60s.

Oh some stranger on the internet hasn’t heard about it ? Then I guess your non-opinion matters.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We spent the last several years saying the weight on the scale doesn’t matter, but it’s other health measures. So now the same folks are saying that was just bs and the number of the scale is the key?

There are people who are overweight but have normal blood pressure, cholesterol, blood sugar, etc. and for those people, the extra weight probably doesn’t matter. But for the vast majority of people, losing weight will improve health metrics like blood pressure, cholesterol, and blood sugar.

Nice gaslighting and changing the topic. Some of us remember the Health at every size movements.

Were those movements started by physicians or "influencers"?

H.A.E.S. started in the 1960s...

You can literally search for a doctor that champions HAES when looking for a new physician...

Yet suddenly, the scale now matters again.

Where? Because no physician that I have ever been to has told me I was healthy at any size? Stop making shit up.

Also, stop pretending that we still do things that we did in the 60s.

https://asdah.org/listing/

https://lcnutritionomaha.com/how-to-find-a-haes-provider/

https://elizabethweavermd.com/eating-disorders/haes-healthy-at-every-size/

https://www.monarchwellness.com/blog/health-at-every-size-therapy-md-dc-va

https://coastalcollaborativecare.com/health-at-every-size/

Real practices, in the DC Urban Area, in 2026.

Stop pretending to be smarter than you actually are.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do registered dietitians and personal trainers have codes of ethics?

Do those ethics say anything about shitposting and trolling message boards?

It’s not so much the message but the way it was delivered.

And yes, weighing less does mean you are healthier.

What a dipshit.

Ehhhh not exactly. Weighing less does not mean you are healthier. Not trying to argue or defend OP, but that blanket statement isn't true.

It is. It's healthIER than being obese. It might not necessarily be completely healthy. But it's still an improvement. Just the impact on joints alone is an improvement.

You truly think an adult weighing 60lbs is healthier than an adult weighing 160lbs? Weighing 60lbs is an improvement?

Even at less than 4' 10" tall (midget status), 60lbs for an adult would be severe malnutrition and borderline life threatening.

Again, this is a healthier weight?

People really just say anything on here and think it'll sound believable. Healthy adult at 60lbs? C'mon now.

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Anonymous wrote:We spent the last several years saying the weight on the scale doesn’t matter, but it’s other health measures. So now the same folks are saying that was just bs and the number of the scale is the key?

There are people who are overweight but have normal blood pressure, cholesterol, blood sugar, etc. and for those people, the extra weight probably doesn’t matter. But for the vast majority of people, losing weight will improve health metrics like blood pressure, cholesterol, and blood sugar.

Nice gaslighting and changing the topic. Some of us remember the Health at every size movements.

Were those movements started by physicians or "influencers"?

H.A.E.S. started in the 1960s...

You can literally search for a doctor that champions HAES when looking for a new physician...

Yet suddenly, the scale now matters again.

Where? Because no physician that I have ever been to has told me I was healthy at any size? Stop making shit up.

Also, stop pretending that we still do things that we did in the 60s.

https://asdah.org/listing/

https://lcnutritionomaha.com/how-to-find-a-haes-provider/

https://elizabethweavermd.com/eating-disorders/haes-healthy-at-every-size/

https://www.monarchwellness.com/blog/health-at-every-size-therapy-md-dc-va

https://coastalcollaborativecare.com/health-at-every-size/

Real practices, in the DC Urban Area, in 2026.

Stop pretending to be smarter than you actually are.

We also have chiropractors, homeopaths and all kinds of quacks. It just proves you don't have a leg to stand on. The medical community is very clear on this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We spent the last several years saying the weight on the scale doesn’t matter, but it’s other health measures. So now the same folks are saying that was just bs and the number of the scale is the key?

There are people who are overweight but have normal blood pressure, cholesterol, blood sugar, etc. and for those people, the extra weight probably doesn’t matter. But for the vast majority of people, losing weight will improve health metrics like blood pressure, cholesterol, and blood sugar.

Nice gaslighting and changing the topic. Some of us remember the Health at every size movements.

Were those movements started by physicians or "influencers"?

H.A.E.S. started in the 1960s...

You can literally search for a doctor that champions HAES when looking for a new physician...

Yet suddenly, the scale now matters again.

NP not many of these doctors out there. I’ve never been very overweight (15lbs at most) and looked into it due to constantly being fat shamed by PCPs despite perfectly fine bloodwork and vitals.

In any case I don’t think op is being genuine at all. Most people know nutrition and exercise matter regardless of their weight, and the question is just whether they are willing to implement these habits. This is true regardless of GLP1 use, but a patient who reduces their BMI to a normal or closer to normal one will likely improve their overall health by doing so. And this is very obviously what people are talking about when they mention a 100lb weight loss: patients who were morbidly obese and are no longer so.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We spent the last several years saying the weight on the scale doesn’t matter, but it’s other health measures. So now the same folks are saying that was just bs and the number of the scale is the key?

There are people who are overweight but have normal blood pressure, cholesterol, blood sugar, etc. and for those people, the extra weight probably doesn’t matter. But for the vast majority of people, losing weight will improve health metrics like blood pressure, cholesterol, and blood sugar.

Nice gaslighting and changing the topic. Some of us remember the Health at every size movements.

Were those movements started by physicians or "influencers"?

H.A.E.S. started in the 1960s...

You can literally search for a doctor that champions HAES when looking for a new physician...

Yet suddenly, the scale now matters again.

NP not many of these doctors out there. I’ve never been very overweight (15lbs at most) and looked into it due to constantly being fat shamed by PCPs despite perfectly fine bloodwork and vitals.

In any case I don’t think op is being genuine at all. Most people know nutrition and exercise matter regardless of their weight, and the question is just whether they are willing to implement these habits. This is true regardless of GLP1 use, but a patient who reduces their BMI to a normal or closer to normal one will likely improve their overall health by doing so. And this is very obviously what people are talking about when they mention a 100lb weight loss: patients who were morbidly obese and are no longer so.

BMI is an extremely outdated and inadequate measure of health.

Ask a 6'0", 225lb, male athlete about their BMI. They'll be at 10% body fat and listed as "obese"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We spent the last several years saying the weight on the scale doesn’t matter, but it’s other health measures. So now the same folks are saying that was just bs and the number of the scale is the key?

There are people who are overweight but have normal blood pressure, cholesterol, blood sugar, etc. and for those people, the extra weight probably doesn’t matter. But for the vast majority of people, losing weight will improve health metrics like blood pressure, cholesterol, and blood sugar.

Nice gaslighting and changing the topic. Some of us remember the Health at every size movements.

Were those movements started by physicians or "influencers"?

H.A.E.S. started in the 1960s...

You can literally search for a doctor that champions HAES when looking for a new physician...

Yet suddenly, the scale now matters again.

Where? Because no physician that I have ever been to has told me I was healthy at any size? Stop making shit up.

Also, stop pretending that we still do things that we did in the 60s.

https://asdah.org/listing/

https://lcnutritionomaha.com/how-to-find-a-haes-provider/

https://elizabethweavermd.com/eating-disorders/haes-healthy-at-every-size/

https://www.monarchwellness.com/blog/health-at-every-size-therapy-md-dc-va

https://coastalcollaborativecare.com/health-at-every-size/

Real practices, in the DC Urban Area, in 2026.

Stop pretending to be smarter than you actually are.

We also have chiropractors, homeopaths and all kinds of quacks. It just proves you don't have a leg to stand on. The medical community is very clear on this.

Still pretending I see...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Phew a lot of triggered GLP-1 users on this thread… if anything y’all just proved the OP’s point.

You have to admit that there's been a lot of concern trolling about the effects of GLP-1s. Obviously, they have side effects and potential long term complications. So does obesity. Obviously, anyone who eats poorly and doesn't exercise isn't healthy. But there's no reason to single out GLP-1 users, as a lot of naturally skinny people are skinny-fat and unhealthy.

The focus on GLP-1 users is due to the belief that no one needs a GLP-1, and the only reason people are using it is that they're too lazy and undisciplined to exercise and eat right. So, the assumption is that they're using it as a magic pill without making any lifestyle changes. Add to that a dose of feeling like the med users cheated and don't deserve to be thin. They're ignoring genetics, insulin resistance, hormonal changes, medications that cause weight gain, etc. that all can cause a person to be overweight or obese while still having healthy habits.

Whoever brought up Health at Any Size is actually proving why GLP-1s are necessary and a great thing when used appropriately. The point of the whole thing is that you can control your healthy habits, like your diet, regular exercise, not smoking, etc., but you can't necessarily control the final shape of your body. So, even if you're obese, if you otherwise have healthy habits, you're doing the right thing and don't need to beat yourself up for still being fat. At the time, they did not have a great answer for those people who were eating right and exercising regularly, but just couldn't lose weight. Now, we do have an answer.

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Anonymous wrote:We spent the last several years saying the weight on the scale doesn’t matter, but it’s other health measures. So now the same folks are saying that was just bs and the number of the scale is the key?

There are people who are overweight but have normal blood pressure, cholesterol, blood sugar, etc. and for those people, the extra weight probably doesn’t matter. But for the vast majority of people, losing weight will improve health metrics like blood pressure, cholesterol, and blood sugar.

Nice gaslighting and changing the topic. Some of us remember the Health at every size movements.

Were those movements started by physicians or "influencers"?

H.A.E.S. started in the 1960s...

You can literally search for a doctor that champions HAES when looking for a new physician...

Yet suddenly, the scale now matters again.

Where? Because no physician that I have ever been to has told me I was healthy at any size? Stop making shit up.

Also, stop pretending that we still do things that we did in the 60s.

https://asdah.org/listing/

https://lcnutritionomaha.com/how-to-find-a-haes-provider/

https://elizabethweavermd.com/eating-disorders/haes-healthy-at-every-size/

https://www.monarchwellness.com/blog/health-at-every-size-therapy-md-dc-va

https://coastalcollaborativecare.com/health-at-every-size/

Real practices, in the DC Urban Area, in 2026.

Stop pretending to be smarter than you actually are.

We also have chiropractors, homeopaths and all kinds of quacks. It just proves you don't have a leg to stand on. The medical community is very clear on this.

Still pretending I see...

It's usually those who have no substance and can't support their claims that resort to dumb insults first.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We spent the last several years saying the weight on the scale doesn’t matter, but it’s other health measures. So now the same folks are saying that was just bs and the number of the scale is the key?

There are people who are overweight but have normal blood pressure, cholesterol, blood sugar, etc. and for those people, the extra weight probably doesn’t matter. But for the vast majority of people, losing weight will improve health metrics like blood pressure, cholesterol, and blood sugar.

Nice gaslighting and changing the topic. Some of us remember the Health at every size movements.

Were those movements started by physicians or "influencers"?

This was way before influencers.

Again, was it the medical community?

The National Institute of Health, John's Hopkins, UC Berkley, etc have all done countless studies and promotions of it. Does that satisfy your "medical community" requirement?

What did the studies say?

If you are actually interested, I’m sure you look it up and find out. Since you don’t seem to be interested in actual discussion here, I’m not going to do any work for you.

Well you made the claim which you should be able to support. So let's hear it. What do the studies say?

Otherwise you're just another DCUM dumbass making dumb claims you can't support.

Here is some literature I'm sure is above your reading level...

2018:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30261553/

Findings:

HAES-based programs improved, psychological health, body image, eating behaviors, physical activity levels

2024:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38563692/

Findings:

HAES interventions significantly reduced susceptibility to hunger, improved several diet-related behaviors, and caused no significant difference compared with weight-loss programs in: cholesterol, triglycerides, blood pressure, and anthropometric measures.


I could keep going, but I feel somewhat ridiculous having to spoon-feed someone material they're not capable of understanding.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We spent the last several years saying the weight on the scale doesn’t matter, but it’s other health measures. So now the same folks are saying that was just bs and the number of the scale is the key?

There are people who are overweight but have normal blood pressure, cholesterol, blood sugar, etc. and for those people, the extra weight probably doesn’t matter. But for the vast majority of people, losing weight will improve health metrics like blood pressure, cholesterol, and blood sugar.

Nice gaslighting and changing the topic. Some of us remember the Health at every size movements.

Were those movements started by physicians or "influencers"?

H.A.E.S. started in the 1960s...

You can literally search for a doctor that champions HAES when looking for a new physician...

Yet suddenly, the scale now matters again.

Where? Because no physician that I have ever been to has told me I was healthy at any size? Stop making shit up.

Also, stop pretending that we still do things that we did in the 60s.

https://asdah.org/listing/

https://lcnutritionomaha.com/how-to-find-a-haes-provider/

https://elizabethweavermd.com/eating-disorders/haes-healthy-at-every-size/

https://www.monarchwellness.com/blog/health-at-every-size-therapy-md-dc-va

https://coastalcollaborativecare.com/health-at-every-size/

Real practices, in the DC Urban Area, in 2026.

Stop pretending to be smarter than you actually are.

We also have chiropractors, homeopaths and all kinds of quacks. It just proves you don't have a leg to stand on. The medical community is very clear on this.

Still pretending I see...

It's usually those who have no substance and can't support their claims that resort to dumb insults first.

The irony of this poster saying someone else brings no substance to the conversation is not lost on all of us.