Being honest with ourselves about injectables

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Anonymous wrote:We spent the last several years saying the weight on the scale doesn’t matter, but it’s other health measures. So now the same folks are saying that was just bs and the number of the scale is the key?

There are people who are overweight but have normal blood pressure, cholesterol, blood sugar, etc. and for those people, the extra weight probably doesn’t matter. But for the vast majority of people, losing weight will improve health metrics like blood pressure, cholesterol, and blood sugar.

Nice gaslighting and changing the topic. Some of us remember the Health at every size movements.

Were those movements started by physicians or "influencers"?

This was way before influencers.

Again, was it the medical community?

The National Institute of Health, John's Hopkins, UC Berkley, etc have all done countless studies and promotions of it. Does that satisfy your "medical community" requirement?

What did the studies say?

If you are actually interested, I’m sure you look it up and find out. Since you don’t seem to be interested in actual discussion here, I’m not going to do any work for you.

Well you made the claim which you should be able to support. So let's hear it. What do the studies say?

Otherwise you're just another DCUM dumbass making dumb claims you can't support.

Here is some literature I'm sure is above your reading level...

2018:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30261553/

Findings:

HAES-based programs improved, psychological health, body image, eating behaviors, physical activity levels

2024:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38563692/

Findings:

HAES interventions significantly reduced susceptibility to hunger, improved several diet-related behaviors, and caused no significant difference compared with weight-loss programs in: cholesterol, triglycerides, blood pressure, and anthropometric measures.


I could keep going, but I feel somewhat ridiculous having to spoon-feed someone material they're not capable of understanding.

So you haven't even read the studies you posted, much less understood what they said, yet here you are calling me dumb?

[Anonymous]

Reminds me of the star bellied Sneetches! Oops now they got stars on thars, we have to find a way to differentiate hierarchy and status yet again.

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Anonymous wrote:We spent the last several years saying the weight on the scale doesn’t matter, but it’s other health measures. So now the same folks are saying that was just bs and the number of the scale is the key?

There are people who are overweight but have normal blood pressure, cholesterol, blood sugar, etc. and for those people, the extra weight probably doesn’t matter. But for the vast majority of people, losing weight will improve health metrics like blood pressure, cholesterol, and blood sugar.

Nice gaslighting and changing the topic. Some of us remember the Health at every size movements.

Were those movements started by physicians or "influencers"?

H.A.E.S. started in the 1960s...

You can literally search for a doctor that champions HAES when looking for a new physician...

Yet suddenly, the scale now matters again.

Where? Because no physician that I have ever been to has told me I was healthy at any size? Stop making shit up.

Also, stop pretending that we still do things that we did in the 60s.

https://asdah.org/listing/

https://lcnutritionomaha.com/how-to-find-a-haes-provider/

https://elizabethweavermd.com/eating-disorders/haes-healthy-at-every-size/

https://www.monarchwellness.com/blog/health-at-every-size-therapy-md-dc-va

https://coastalcollaborativecare.com/health-at-every-size/

Real practices, in the DC Urban Area, in 2026.

Stop pretending to be smarter than you actually are.

We also have chiropractors, homeopaths and all kinds of quacks. It just proves you don't have a leg to stand on. The medical community is very clear on this.

Still pretending I see...

It's usually those who have no substance and can't support their claims that resort to dumb insults first.

The irony of this poster saying someone else brings no substance to the conversation is not lost on all of us.

Oh honey, you think calling me dumb proves your point (what is even your point, do you even know, can you articulate it?)?

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Anonymous wrote:We spent the last several years saying the weight on the scale doesn’t matter, but it’s other health measures. So now the same folks are saying that was just bs and the number of the scale is the key?

There are people who are overweight but have normal blood pressure, cholesterol, blood sugar, etc. and for those people, the extra weight probably doesn’t matter. But for the vast majority of people, losing weight will improve health metrics like blood pressure, cholesterol, and blood sugar.

Nice gaslighting and changing the topic. Some of us remember the Health at every size movements.

Were those movements started by physicians or "influencers"?

H.A.E.S. started in the 1960s...

You can literally search for a doctor that champions HAES when looking for a new physician...

Yet suddenly, the scale now matters again.

NP not many of these doctors out there. I’ve never been very overweight (15lbs at most) and looked into it due to constantly being fat shamed by PCPs despite perfectly fine bloodwork and vitals.

In any case I don’t think op is being genuine at all. Most people know nutrition and exercise matter regardless of their weight, and the question is just whether they are willing to implement these habits. This is true regardless of GLP1 use, but a patient who reduces their BMI to a normal or closer to normal one will likely improve their overall health by doing so. And this is very obviously what people are talking about when they mention a 100lb weight loss: patients who were morbidly obese and are no longer so.

BMI is an extremely outdated and inadequate measure of health.

Ask a 6'0", 225lb, male athlete about their BMI. They'll be at 10% body fat and listed as "obese"

I’m well aware but it is still a useful measure among others, not in isolation. There is a reason you added “athlete” here. That’s an indicator of exercise habits and fitness. Replace it by “22 yo gamer who drinks 5 beers a day and lives on fried chicken” and you have an entirely different picture.

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If you are a normal weight without much effort or food noise, your opinion is irrelevant. If you want to be fat, be fat. If you want to be a normal weight, take GLP-1. If you've benefited as much as some of us have from GLP-1, you really don't care what the haters say.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are a normal weight without much effort or food noise, your opinion is irrelevant. If you want to be fat, be fat. If you want to be a normal weight, take GLP-1. If you've benefited as much as some of us have from GLP-1, you really don't care what the haters say.

Plus a million.

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Anonymous wrote:Phew a lot of triggered GLP-1 users on this thread… if anything y’all just proved the OP’s point.

You have to admit that there's been a lot of concern trolling about the effects of GLP-1s. Obviously, they have side effects and potential long term complications. So does obesity. Obviously, anyone who eats poorly and doesn't exercise isn't healthy. But there's no reason to single out GLP-1 users, as a lot of naturally skinny people are skinny-fat and unhealthy.

The focus on GLP-1 users is due to the belief that no one needs a GLP-1, and the only reason people are using it is that they're too lazy and undisciplined to exercise and eat right. So, the assumption is that they're using it as a magic pill without making any lifestyle changes. Add to that a dose of feeling like the med users cheated and don't deserve to be thin. They're ignoring genetics, insulin resistance, hormonal changes, medications that cause weight gain, etc. that all can cause a person to be overweight or obese while still having healthy habits.

Whoever brought up Health at Any Size is actually proving why GLP-1s are necessary and a great thing when used appropriately. The point of the whole thing is that you can control your healthy habits, like your diet, regular exercise, not smoking, etc., but you can't necessarily control the final shape of your body. So, even if you're obese, if you otherwise have healthy habits, you're doing the right thing and don't need to beat yourself up for still being fat. At the time, they did not have a great answer for those people who were eating right and exercising regularly, but just couldn't lose weight. Now, we do have an answer.

I can only speak for myself, but I personally believe there are a significant number of people who take GLP-1s because they just want to lose a little weight and don't medically "need" the medication. Personally, I know 6 adults who have been prescribed compounded versions of the medications from shady online doctors solely because they wish to eat what they want and lost a few pounds. 4 of them aren't even overweight. They're not diabetic, they don't workout, and they regularly eat like crap.

I realize it's an unpopular opinion, but I agree with OP in the sense that just losing weight via a shot does not automatically make someone healthier. The people I know on GLP-1s still eat fast food, don't exercise, drink every night/on the weekends. They complain about feeling like crap constantly, especially when they up their doses, but they're still losing weight. So on the scale, sure they're a smaller number, but their lifestyle habits and diet choices are still the same as they were.

This does not negate the people who truly need the medication, who have tried everything and failed, or started the medication along with making significant lifestyle and diet changes. Those people exist too and it might even be the majority. But there is a portion of the population who are on these shots bc they are lazy, they don't want to change their lifestyle and diet, and because it truly is a magic weight loss drug...they don't have to.

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Anonymous wrote:Phew a lot of triggered GLP-1 users on this thread… if anything y’all just proved the OP’s point.

You have to admit that there's been a lot of concern trolling about the effects of GLP-1s. Obviously, they have side effects and potential long term complications. So does obesity. Obviously, anyone who eats poorly and doesn't exercise isn't healthy. But there's no reason to single out GLP-1 users, as a lot of naturally skinny people are skinny-fat and unhealthy.

The focus on GLP-1 users is due to the belief that no one needs a GLP-1, and the only reason people are using it is that they're too lazy and undisciplined to exercise and eat right. So, the assumption is that they're using it as a magic pill without making any lifestyle changes. Add to that a dose of feeling like the med users cheated and don't deserve to be thin. They're ignoring genetics, insulin resistance, hormonal changes, medications that cause weight gain, etc. that all can cause a person to be overweight or obese while still having healthy habits.

Whoever brought up Health at Any Size is actually proving why GLP-1s are necessary and a great thing when used appropriately. The point of the whole thing is that you can control your healthy habits, like your diet, regular exercise, not smoking, etc., but you can't necessarily control the final shape of your body. So, even if you're obese, if you otherwise have healthy habits, you're doing the right thing and don't need to beat yourself up for still being fat. At the time, they did not have a great answer for those people who were eating right and exercising regularly, but just couldn't lose weight. Now, we do have an answer.

I can only speak for myself, but I personally believe there are a significant number of people who take GLP-1s because they just want to lose a little weight and don't medically "need" the medication. Personally, I know 6 adults who have been prescribed compounded versions of the medications from shady online doctors solely because they wish to eat what they want and lost a few pounds. 4 of them aren't even overweight. They're not diabetic, they don't workout, and they regularly eat like crap.

I realize it's an unpopular opinion, but I agree with OP in the sense that just losing weight via a shot does not automatically make someone healthier. The people I know on GLP-1s still eat fast food, don't exercise, drink every night/on the weekends. They complain about feeling like crap constantly, especially when they up their doses, but they're still losing weight. So on the scale, sure they're a smaller number, but their lifestyle habits and diet choices are still the same as they were.

This does not negate the people who truly need the medication, who have tried everything and failed, or started the medication along with making significant lifestyle and diet changes. Those people exist too and it might even be the majority. But there is a portion of the population who are on these shots bc they are lazy, they don't want to change their lifestyle and diet, and because it truly is a magic weight loss drug...they don't have to.

I fail to see how either category affects you.

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Anonymous wrote:We spent the last several years saying the weight on the scale doesn’t matter, but it’s other health measures. So now the same folks are saying that was just bs and the number of the scale is the key?

There are people who are overweight but have normal blood pressure, cholesterol, blood sugar, etc. and for those people, the extra weight probably doesn’t matter. But for the vast majority of people, losing weight will improve health metrics like blood pressure, cholesterol, and blood sugar.

Nice gaslighting and changing the topic. Some of us remember the Health at every size movements.

Were those movements started by physicians or "influencers"?

H.A.E.S. started in the 1960s...

You can literally search for a doctor that champions HAES when looking for a new physician...

Yet suddenly, the scale now matters again.

NP not many of these doctors out there. I’ve never been very overweight (15lbs at most) and looked into it due to constantly being fat shamed by PCPs despite perfectly fine bloodwork and vitals.

In any case I don’t think op is being genuine at all. Most people know nutrition and exercise matter regardless of their weight, and the question is just whether they are willing to implement these habits. This is true regardless of GLP1 use, but a patient who reduces their BMI to a normal or closer to normal one will likely improve their overall health by doing so. And this is very obviously what people are talking about when they mention a 100lb weight loss: patients who were morbidly obese and are no longer so.

BMI is an extremely outdated and inadequate measure of health.

Ask a 6'0", 225lb, male athlete about their BMI. They'll be at 10% body fat and listed as "obese"

I’m well aware but it is still a useful measure among others, not in isolation. There is a reason you added “athlete” here. That’s an indicator of exercise habits and fitness. Replace it by “22 yo gamer who drinks 5 beers a day and lives on fried chicken” and you have an entirely different picture.

I added it for the same reason you added "22 yo gamed who drinks 5 beers a day and lives on fried chicken".

Let me ask you this:

If that 22 yo gamer who drinks 5 beers a day and lives on fried chicken is a 5'5" female who weighs 140lbs, are they healthy?

According to their BMI, they are.

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Anonymous wrote:We spent the last several years saying the weight on the scale doesn’t matter, but it’s other health measures. So now the same folks are saying that was just bs and the number of the scale is the key?

There are people who are overweight but have normal blood pressure, cholesterol, blood sugar, etc. and for those people, the extra weight probably doesn’t matter. But for the vast majority of people, losing weight will improve health metrics like blood pressure, cholesterol, and blood sugar.

Nice gaslighting and changing the topic. Some of us remember the Health at every size movements.

Were those movements started by physicians or "influencers"?

This was way before influencers.

Again, was it the medical community?

The National Institute of Health, John's Hopkins, UC Berkley, etc have all done countless studies and promotions of it. Does that satisfy your "medical community" requirement?

What did the studies say?

If you are actually interested, I’m sure you look it up and find out. Since you don’t seem to be interested in actual discussion here, I’m not going to do any work for you.

Well you made the claim which you should be able to support. So let's hear it. What do the studies say?

Otherwise you're just another DCUM dumbass making dumb claims you can't support.

Here is some literature I'm sure is above your reading level...

2018:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30261553/

Findings:

HAES-based programs improved, psychological health, body image, eating behaviors, physical activity levels

2024:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38563692/

Findings:

HAES interventions significantly reduced susceptibility to hunger, improved several diet-related behaviors, and caused no significant difference compared with weight-loss programs in: cholesterol, triglycerides, blood pressure, and anthropometric measures.


I could keep going, but I feel somewhat ridiculous having to spoon-feed someone material they're not capable of understanding.

So you haven't even read the studies you posted, much less understood what they said, yet here you are calling me dumb?

You're clearly becoming upset. Maybe log off for a little while.

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Anonymous wrote:Phew a lot of triggered GLP-1 users on this thread… if anything y’all just proved the OP’s point.

You have to admit that there's been a lot of concern trolling about the effects of GLP-1s. Obviously, they have side effects and potential long term complications. So does obesity. Obviously, anyone who eats poorly and doesn't exercise isn't healthy. But there's no reason to single out GLP-1 users, as a lot of naturally skinny people are skinny-fat and unhealthy.

The focus on GLP-1 users is due to the belief that no one needs a GLP-1, and the only reason people are using it is that they're too lazy and undisciplined to exercise and eat right. So, the assumption is that they're using it as a magic pill without making any lifestyle changes. Add to that a dose of feeling like the med users cheated and don't deserve to be thin. They're ignoring genetics, insulin resistance, hormonal changes, medications that cause weight gain, etc. that all can cause a person to be overweight or obese while still having healthy habits.

Whoever brought up Health at Any Size is actually proving why GLP-1s are necessary and a great thing when used appropriately. The point of the whole thing is that you can control your healthy habits, like your diet, regular exercise, not smoking, etc., but you can't necessarily control the final shape of your body. So, even if you're obese, if you otherwise have healthy habits, you're doing the right thing and don't need to beat yourself up for still being fat. At the time, they did not have a great answer for those people who were eating right and exercising regularly, but just couldn't lose weight. Now, we do have an answer.

I can only speak for myself, but I personally believe there are a significant number of people who take GLP-1s because they just want to lose a little weight and don't medically "need" the medication. Personally, I know 6 adults who have been prescribed compounded versions of the medications from shady online doctors solely because they wish to eat what they want and lost a few pounds. 4 of them aren't even overweight. They're not diabetic, they don't workout, and they regularly eat like crap.

I realize it's an unpopular opinion, but I agree with OP in the sense that just losing weight via a shot does not automatically make someone healthier. The people I know on GLP-1s still eat fast food, don't exercise, drink every night/on the weekends. They complain about feeling like crap constantly, especially when they up their doses, but they're still losing weight. So on the scale, sure they're a smaller number, but their lifestyle habits and diet choices are still the same as they were.

This does not negate the people who truly need the medication, who have tried everything and failed, or started the medication along with making significant lifestyle and diet changes. Those people exist too and it might even be the majority. But there is a portion of the population who are on these shots bc they are lazy, they don't want to change their lifestyle and diet, and because it truly is a magic weight loss drug...they don't have to.

I fail to see how either category affects you.

Both effect me though.

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Anonymous wrote:Phew a lot of triggered GLP-1 users on this thread… if anything y’all just proved the OP’s point.

You have to admit that there's been a lot of concern trolling about the effects of GLP-1s. Obviously, they have side effects and potential long term complications. So does obesity. Obviously, anyone who eats poorly and doesn't exercise isn't healthy. But there's no reason to single out GLP-1 users, as a lot of naturally skinny people are skinny-fat and unhealthy.

The focus on GLP-1 users is due to the belief that no one needs a GLP-1, and the only reason people are using it is that they're too lazy and undisciplined to exercise and eat right. So, the assumption is that they're using it as a magic pill without making any lifestyle changes. Add to that a dose of feeling like the med users cheated and don't deserve to be thin. They're ignoring genetics, insulin resistance, hormonal changes, medications that cause weight gain, etc. that all can cause a person to be overweight or obese while still having healthy habits.

Whoever brought up Health at Any Size is actually proving why GLP-1s are necessary and a great thing when used appropriately. The point of the whole thing is that you can control your healthy habits, like your diet, regular exercise, not smoking, etc., but you can't necessarily control the final shape of your body. So, even if you're obese, if you otherwise have healthy habits, you're doing the right thing and don't need to beat yourself up for still being fat. At the time, they did not have a great answer for those people who were eating right and exercising regularly, but just couldn't lose weight. Now, we do have an answer.

I can only speak for myself, but I personally believe there are a significant number of people who take GLP-1s because they just want to lose a little weight and don't medically "need" the medication. Personally, I know 6 adults who have been prescribed compounded versions of the medications from shady online doctors solely because they wish to eat what they want and lost a few pounds. 4 of them aren't even overweight. They're not diabetic, they don't workout, and they regularly eat like crap.

I realize it's an unpopular opinion, but I agree with OP in the sense that just losing weight via a shot does not automatically make someone healthier. The people I know on GLP-1s still eat fast food, don't exercise, drink every night/on the weekends. They complain about feeling like crap constantly, especially when they up their doses, but they're still losing weight. So on the scale, sure they're a smaller number, but their lifestyle habits and diet choices are still the same as they were.

This does not negate the people who truly need the medication, who have tried everything and failed, or started the medication along with making significant lifestyle and diet changes. Those people exist too and it might even be the majority. But there is a portion of the population who are on these shots bc they are lazy, they don't want to change their lifestyle and diet, and because it truly is a magic weight loss drug...they don't have to.

I fail to see how either category affects you.

Both effect me though.

huh?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Phew a lot of triggered GLP-1 users on this thread… if anything y’all just proved the OP’s point.

You have to admit that there's been a lot of concern trolling about the effects of GLP-1s. Obviously, they have side effects and potential long term complications. So does obesity. Obviously, anyone who eats poorly and doesn't exercise isn't healthy. But there's no reason to single out GLP-1 users, as a lot of naturally skinny people are skinny-fat and unhealthy.

The focus on GLP-1 users is due to the belief that no one needs a GLP-1, and the only reason people are using it is that they're too lazy and undisciplined to exercise and eat right. So, the assumption is that they're using it as a magic pill without making any lifestyle changes. Add to that a dose of feeling like the med users cheated and don't deserve to be thin. They're ignoring genetics, insulin resistance, hormonal changes, medications that cause weight gain, etc. that all can cause a person to be overweight or obese while still having healthy habits.

Whoever brought up Health at Any Size is actually proving why GLP-1s are necessary and a great thing when used appropriately. The point of the whole thing is that you can control your healthy habits, like your diet, regular exercise, not smoking, etc., but you can't necessarily control the final shape of your body. So, even if you're obese, if you otherwise have healthy habits, you're doing the right thing and don't need to beat yourself up for still being fat. At the time, they did not have a great answer for those people who were eating right and exercising regularly, but just couldn't lose weight. Now, we do have an answer.

I can only speak for myself, but I personally believe there are a significant number of people who take GLP-1s because they just want to lose a little weight and don't medically "need" the medication. Personally, I know 6 adults who have been prescribed compounded versions of the medications from shady online doctors solely because they wish to eat what they want and lost a few pounds. 4 of them aren't even overweight. They're not diabetic, they don't workout, and they regularly eat like crap.

I realize it's an unpopular opinion, but I agree with OP in the sense that just losing weight via a shot does not automatically make someone healthier. The people I know on GLP-1s still eat fast food, don't exercise, drink every night/on the weekends. They complain about feeling like crap constantly, especially when they up their doses, but they're still losing weight. So on the scale, sure they're a smaller number, but their lifestyle habits and diet choices are still the same as they were.

This does not negate the people who truly need the medication, who have tried everything and failed, or started the medication along with making significant lifestyle and diet changes. Those people exist too and it might even be the majority. But there is a portion of the population who are on these shots bc they are lazy, they don't want to change their lifestyle and diet, and because it truly is a magic weight loss drug...they don't have to.

There's still no need for the concern trolling, since those people know exactly what they're doing. They were never going to exercise or practice any healthy habits, and without the GLP-1, they might choose to lose weight through smoking, bulimia, or other unhealthy means. They were going to be just as unhealthy without the GLP-1. I'm skeptical of these people that you know, though, since most people on GLP-1s have quite a bit of gastrointestinal upset if they eat large portions of greasy, fatty foods. To some extent, the heartburn, nausea, etc. force you not to overindulge in anything.

If you feel the need to question GLP-1s, then you should direct your ire to those shady online doctors who are prescribing the meds to people who shouldn't meet the criteria for using them.

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Anonymous wrote:Phew a lot of triggered GLP-1 users on this thread… if anything y’all just proved the OP’s point.

You have to admit that there's been a lot of concern trolling about the effects of GLP-1s. Obviously, they have side effects and potential long term complications. So does obesity. Obviously, anyone who eats poorly and doesn't exercise isn't healthy. But there's no reason to single out GLP-1 users, as a lot of naturally skinny people are skinny-fat and unhealthy.

The focus on GLP-1 users is due to the belief that no one needs a GLP-1, and the only reason people are using it is that they're too lazy and undisciplined to exercise and eat right. So, the assumption is that they're using it as a magic pill without making any lifestyle changes. Add to that a dose of feeling like the med users cheated and don't deserve to be thin. They're ignoring genetics, insulin resistance, hormonal changes, medications that cause weight gain, etc. that all can cause a person to be overweight or obese while still having healthy habits.

Whoever brought up Health at Any Size is actually proving why GLP-1s are necessary and a great thing when used appropriately. The point of the whole thing is that you can control your healthy habits, like your diet, regular exercise, not smoking, etc., but you can't necessarily control the final shape of your body. So, even if you're obese, if you otherwise have healthy habits, you're doing the right thing and don't need to beat yourself up for still being fat. At the time, they did not have a great answer for those people who were eating right and exercising regularly, but just couldn't lose weight. Now, we do have an answer.

I can only speak for myself, but I personally believe there are a significant number of people who take GLP-1s because they just want to lose a little weight and don't medically "need" the medication. Personally, I know 6 adults who have been prescribed compounded versions of the medications from shady online doctors solely because they wish to eat what they want and lost a few pounds. 4 of them aren't even overweight. They're not diabetic, they don't workout, and they regularly eat like crap.

I realize it's an unpopular opinion, but I agree with OP in the sense that just losing weight via a shot does not automatically make someone healthier. The people I know on GLP-1s still eat fast food, don't exercise, drink every night/on the weekends. They complain about feeling like crap constantly, especially when they up their doses, but they're still losing weight. So on the scale, sure they're a smaller number, but their lifestyle habits and diet choices are still the same as they were.

This does not negate the people who truly need the medication, who have tried everything and failed, or started the medication along with making significant lifestyle and diet changes. Those people exist too and it might even be the majority. But there is a portion of the population who are on these shots bc they are lazy, they don't want to change their lifestyle and diet, and because it truly is a magic weight loss drug...they don't have to.

There's still no need for the concern trolling, since those people know exactly what they're doing. They were never going to exercise or practice any healthy habits, and without the GLP-1, they might choose to lose weight through smoking, bulimia, or other unhealthy means. They were going to be just as unhealthy without the GLP-1. I'm skeptical of these people that you know, though, since most people on GLP-1s have quite a bit of gastrointestinal upset if they eat large portions of greasy, fatty foods. To some extent, the heartburn, nausea, etc. force you not to overindulge in anything.

If you feel the need to question GLP-1s, then you should direct your ire to those shady online doctors who are prescribing the meds to people who shouldn't meet the criteria for using them.

To their credit they did say that the people they know are constantly feeling like crap

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Phew a lot of triggered GLP-1 users on this thread… if anything y’all just proved the OP’s point.

You have to admit that there's been a lot of concern trolling about the effects of GLP-1s. Obviously, they have side effects and potential long term complications. So does obesity. Obviously, anyone who eats poorly and doesn't exercise isn't healthy. But there's no reason to single out GLP-1 users, as a lot of naturally skinny people are skinny-fat and unhealthy.

The focus on GLP-1 users is due to the belief that no one needs a GLP-1, and the only reason people are using it is that they're too lazy and undisciplined to exercise and eat right. So, the assumption is that they're using it as a magic pill without making any lifestyle changes. Add to that a dose of feeling like the med users cheated and don't deserve to be thin. They're ignoring genetics, insulin resistance, hormonal changes, medications that cause weight gain, etc. that all can cause a person to be overweight or obese while still having healthy habits.

Whoever brought up Health at Any Size is actually proving why GLP-1s are necessary and a great thing when used appropriately. The point of the whole thing is that you can control your healthy habits, like your diet, regular exercise, not smoking, etc., but you can't necessarily control the final shape of your body. So, even if you're obese, if you otherwise have healthy habits, you're doing the right thing and don't need to beat yourself up for still being fat. At the time, they did not have a great answer for those people who were eating right and exercising regularly, but just couldn't lose weight. Now, we do have an answer.

I can only speak for myself, but I personally believe there are a significant number of people who take GLP-1s because they just want to lose a little weight and don't medically "need" the medication. Personally, I know 6 adults who have been prescribed compounded versions of the medications from shady online doctors solely because they wish to eat what they want and lost a few pounds. 4 of them aren't even overweight. They're not diabetic, they don't workout, and they regularly eat like crap.

I realize it's an unpopular opinion, but I agree with OP in the sense that just losing weight via a shot does not automatically make someone healthier. The people I know on GLP-1s still eat fast food, don't exercise, drink every night/on the weekends. They complain about feeling like crap constantly, especially when they up their doses, but they're still losing weight. So on the scale, sure they're a smaller number, but their lifestyle habits and diet choices are still the same as they were.

This does not negate the people who truly need the medication, who have tried everything and failed, or started the medication along with making significant lifestyle and diet changes. Those people exist too and it might even be the majority. But there is a portion of the population who are on these shots bc they are lazy, they don't want to change their lifestyle and diet, and because it truly is a magic weight loss drug...they don't have to.

There's still no need for the concern trolling, since those people know exactly what they're doing. They were never going to exercise or practice any healthy habits, and without the GLP-1, they might choose to lose weight through smoking, bulimia, or other unhealthy means. They were going to be just as unhealthy without the GLP-1. I'm skeptical of these people that you know, though, since most people on GLP-1s have quite a bit of gastrointestinal upset if they eat large portions of greasy, fatty foods. To some extent, the heartburn, nausea, etc. force you not to overindulge in anything.

If you feel the need to question GLP-1s, then you should direct your ire to those shady online doctors who are prescribing the meds to people who shouldn't meet the criteria for using them.

Lol my uncle wanted to drop a few pounds. Told the doctor some key terms that fit a certain criteria when it comes to having trouble sleeping. Ended up being prescribed due to "sleep apnea". They never even did a sleep study.