What SHOULD Dems do?

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Free Luigi!

[Anonymous]

It's officially time we nail in the coffin that American culture is corrupt, degenerate, and individualistic to the point of conspiratorial and backwards. We have moved our society so far towards individualism that it has become mainstream to deny government, health, and social safety in the name of absolute suffering cause...A) God B) Freedom C) Anti-Communist. People find it exciting to get rid of professionals and crave destroying our academic and government institutions, because they're upset their individual radical ideas that aren't backed by anyone but their own minds aren't being taken seriously enough.

Law has no power and "truth" is what we obsess over. Americans are so obsessed with their own truths that they will allow their daughters to die, bankrupt themselves, and pull the rug as much as they can under themselves to exercise their freedom. At some point, we have to call it what it is: a disrespectful, selfish society. We have all the tools to provide our citizens health and wellbeing, shelter, and an honest career, but we'd rather sink ourselves into the hole, because we are actively wanting to wipe out difference: trans people, immigrants, etc. I think most Americans at this point deeply desire to see their neighbors suffer and, above all else, themselves rise. This is not the country I grew up in, and I'm deeply disturbed by the MAGA party at this point. They make me sick, because they are not in it for America, but themselves.

[Anonymous]

Do any dcurbanmoms agree that Democrats should consider apologizing for a few things (like calling swing voters stupid racists) and trying to do a reset with swing voters? Or no? So far we’re running 100% against that idea. Does anyone think it could help? Or do we stick to our guns?

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Anonymous wrote:Do any dcurbanmoms agree that Democrats should consider apologizing for a few things (like calling swing voters stupid racists) and trying to do a reset with swing voters? Or no? So far we’re running 100% against that idea. Does anyone think it could help? Or do we stick to our guns?

I don't see a purpose. Republicans have never apologized a day in their existence. Parties don't apologize.
Show me a list of ideas that a swing voter between trump and democrats would have which aren't heavily leaned towards MAGA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's officially time we nail in the coffin that American culture is corrupt, degenerate, and individualistic to the point of conspiratorial and backwards. We have moved our society so far towards individualism that it has become mainstream to deny government, health, and social safety in the name of absolute suffering cause...A) God B) Freedom C) Anti-Communist. People find it exciting to get rid of professionals and crave destroying our academic and government institutions, because they're upset their individual radical ideas that aren't backed by anyone but their own minds aren't being taken seriously enough.

Law has no power and "truth" is what we obsess over. Americans are so obsessed with their own truths that they will allow their daughters to die, bankrupt themselves, and pull the rug as much as they can under themselves to exercise their freedom. At some point, we have to call it what it is: a disrespectful, selfish society. We have all the tools to provide our citizens health and wellbeing, shelter, and an honest career, but we'd rather sink ourselves into the hole, because we are actively wanting to wipe out difference: trans people, immigrants, etc. I think most Americans at this point deeply desire to see their neighbors suffer and, above all else, themselves rise. This is not the country I grew up in, and I'm deeply disturbed by the MAGA party at this point. They make me sick, because they are not in it for America, but themselves.

God and Freedom bad
Government and Trans People good

I think this message will resonate with voters!

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Anonymous wrote:People, the right response is not to nitpick the list. The CUSTOMER is always right, NOT the store manager. Swing voters don’t care if WE think school closures were “worth the costs,” they were longer here than anywhere else on Earth, and they had real costs. Swing voters want an apology. If we refuse, then apparently “being right” is more important to us than winning back votes.

I’m giving you the prescription. It’s painful for people like us who get a lot of our sense of moral worth from our party affiliation. And a lot if our sense of intellectual worth from winning arguments. We think politics is a debating society, and we happen to be the smart kids. But it’s actually a value exchange. If we give the voters what they want (and what they are ready for), they’ll let us lead. If we don’t give them what they want (because we think we know better), they won’t let us lead.

They can live in their filth then
If democracy is worth nothing, then they don't have it

Ben Franklin was right. It's a democracy, if you can keep it.

Ben Franklin was right, but you are wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:Do any dcurbanmoms agree that Democrats should consider apologizing for a few things (like calling swing voters stupid racists) and trying to do a reset with swing voters? Or no? So far we’re running 100% against that idea. Does anyone think it could help? Or do we stick to our guns?

I don't see a purpose. Republicans have never apologized a day in their existence. Parties don't apologize.
Show me a list of ideas that a swing voter between trump and democrats would have which aren't heavily leaned towards MAGA.

The problem is that the swing voters just broke Republican. Those are the ones we have to win back.

Why do we whine that both sides should have to apologize? Why should we care if Republicans reach out to our voters? Obviously they already did, sneakily, and it worked. Who cares what seems fair? This isn’t a slap fight. This is politics. Our latest beliefs don’t make us winners. Getting votes makes us winners.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's officially time we nail in the coffin that American culture is corrupt, degenerate, and individualistic to the point of conspiratorial and backwards. We have moved our society so far towards individualism that it has become mainstream to deny government, health, and social safety in the name of absolute suffering cause...A) God B) Freedom C) Anti-Communist. People find it exciting to get rid of professionals and crave destroying our academic and government institutions, because they're upset their individual radical ideas that aren't backed by anyone but their own minds aren't being taken seriously enough.

Law has no power and "truth" is what we obsess over. Americans are so obsessed with their own truths that they will allow their daughters to die, bankrupt themselves, and pull the rug as much as they can under themselves to exercise their freedom. At some point, we have to call it what it is: a disrespectful, selfish society. We have all the tools to provide our citizens health and wellbeing, shelter, and an honest career, but we'd rather sink ourselves into the hole, because we are actively wanting to wipe out difference: trans people, immigrants, etc. I think most Americans at this point deeply desire to see their neighbors suffer and, above all else, themselves rise. This is not the country I grew up in, and I'm deeply disturbed by the MAGA party at this point. They make me sick, because they are not in it for America, but themselves.

God and Freedom bad
Government and Trans People good

I think this message will resonate with voters!

Never said trans people good- I do think actively trying to harm people unlike you is bad (HEY THIS IS ACTUALLY THE ENTIRE POINT OF A GOVERNMENT WHO IS SUPPOSED TO RESPECT THE MINORITY INTEREST, you lack understanding as to why our government exists in the first place but ok).
God gave us vaccines, "God" is a mythos that tells you to kill your daughter for hubris
Freedom runs many different ways. You can use your freedom to take away everyone else's freedoms. You're as free as you want to be, but know that every second you spend taking away others is a weapon to use against yourself (maybe don't arm the natives you want to colonize).

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do any dcurbanmoms agree that Democrats should consider apologizing for a few things (like calling swing voters stupid racists) and trying to do a reset with swing voters? Or no? So far we’re running 100% against that idea. Does anyone think it could help? Or do we stick to our guns?

I don't see a purpose. Republicans have never apologized a day in their existence. Parties don't apologize.
Show me a list of ideas that a swing voter between trump and democrats would have which aren't heavily leaned towards MAGA.

The problem is that the swing voters just broke Republican. Those are the ones we have to win back.

Why do we whine that both sides should have to apologize? Why should we care if Republicans reach out to our voters? Obviously they already did, sneakily, and it worked. Who cares what seems fair? This isn’t a slap fight. This is politics. Our latest beliefs don’t make us winners. Getting votes makes us winners.

MAGA appeals to a conspiratorial type of person. I don't really see the purpose of extending coalition to conspiracy theorists.

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Anonymous wrote:Do any dcurbanmoms agree that Democrats should consider apologizing for a few things (like calling swing voters stupid racists) and trying to do a reset with swing voters? Or no? So far we’re running 100% against that idea. Does anyone think it could help? Or do we stick to our guns?

Neither. We should just change messaging and move on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here it is Dems! The painful truth.

What Democrats should do is apologize.

The voters DO want servant leaders who care more about what THEY want than what WE believe.

The voters do NOT want know-it-alls, snobs, or leaders who resent voters for daring to choose the other party once in a while.

The customer is always right. We can either cling to our belief that WE are always right and the customers are wrong, or we can apologize for our past failures to give the customers what they want, apologize for disrespecting the customers, change our offerings, and try to earn back their business.

If we can’t even apologize, then they know we don’t intend to respect their wishes over our own beliefs going forward either.

Here is just a partial list of what swing voters and flyover state viters want us to apologize for:

1) Covid overreach. I know, I know, we f**king love science and the voters are stupid. It doesn’t matter. The voters reject our belief that we helped against Covid, and they are furious about forced masking of children, school closures, and forced injections on penalty of job loss. They were also very shaken by what they saw as our totalitarian streak. A lot of us were very cruel to neighbors and even family members. I know it will be very difficult psychologically for us to admit any fault here. We were on the right side of this, our intentions were good, etc. But so far basically none of us have said sorry to anyone for any of this. If we want swing voters back, we have to say sorry.

2) Illegal Immigration

3) Using affirmative action to harm white workers

4) LGBTQIA+ education in elementary schools. (I agree, it’s a good thing. It teaches kids tolerance. Rs make too big a deal of it. But remember, they are the customers. If we’re the “force unpopular things down your throat Party,” they won’t vote for us. We went too far (for THEIR liking), and for that, we should apologize

5) Inflation. Yes it was Covid, the Fed, and Trump’s fault too. But our team printed and borrowed and spent too much money.

6) Calling voters stupid racists

Think about it. We win’t like this prescription, but without it we can’t get the votes back

OMG, you are so right! The problem here is most Ds don’t even have friends who are Rs. Totally agree with you.

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Anonymous wrote:Jon Stewart is ridiculing Dem leadership.
People want to dump Schumer for caving.
What would be an attack plan that makes sense?
I almost wish we had a parliamentary system right now, a dozen parties and coalitions forming and reforming.

I think what the Democratic leadership is implying is that Trump’s approval has to fall below 40 percent and, ideally, 30 percent for them to do a lot.

The problem is that liberals, progressives, Democrats, etc. have been divided by Russian or Republican manipulation, too, and mostly refuse to acknowledge that.

We’re not taking the Trump threat seriously.

We’re blaming each other, saying we want to eject this or that flawed person, wanting to refuse aid from billionaires, wanting to refuse ties with PACs or big business, and making many other idiotic, self-destructive decisions.

If Trump is really a dictator, we have to focus on that issue, cast aside ordinary policy differences and unite to fight things like the administration ignoring routine court rulings.

If we have to unite with people who hate abortion or love tax breaks but who also support free elections, the rule of law and peaceful resolution of disputes, we have to hold our noses and get in a big tent with those folks.

And, in addition to welcoming AOC and Rashida Tlaib with enthusiastic love, we have to find arguments that appeal to independents and persuadable Republicans, not revel in arguments that we like.

We can cling to what we believe and not water that down, but we have to stop the nuclear bomb that’s going off now before we focus on other issues and wall ourselves off from people who disagree about those issues.

And most of the people in the center and in the left disagreeing with this are simply targets of disinformation aimed at us instead of the Republicans are. Until we understand that we’re manipulated, too, we have no hope of fighting back. If you’re raging about the suggestion that we should unite with jerks, then you’re as much a part of the problem as the people in MAGA caps. You’re just the blue version of them.

Yes!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do any dcurbanmoms agree that Democrats should consider apologizing for a few things (like calling swing voters stupid racists) and trying to do a reset with swing voters? Or no? So far we’re running 100% against that idea. Does anyone think it could help? Or do we stick to our guns?

I don't see a purpose. Republicans have never apologized a day in their existence. Parties don't apologize.
Show me a list of ideas that a swing voter between trump and democrats would have which aren't heavily leaned towards MAGA.

The problem is that the swing voters just broke Republican. Those are the ones we have to win back.

Why do we whine that both sides should have to apologize? Why should we care if Republicans reach out to our voters? Obviously they already did, sneakily, and it worked. Who cares what seems fair? This isn’t a slap fight. This is politics. Our latest beliefs don’t make us winners. Getting votes makes us winners.

MAGA appeals to a conspiratorial type of person. I don't really see the purpose of extending coalition to conspiracy theorists.

I’m not talking about extending coalition to MAGA. I’m talking about apologizing to the normal swing voters who disappointed to such an extent that they preferred the discredited MAGA rapist-in-chief to continued Democratic Party leadership. Apparently they aren’t that happy with us lately. We should find out why and to fix it? We can still KNOW that we are always right about everything. But we should at least ask around a little bit and find out what swing voters falsely BELIEVE we did wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:Do any dcurbanmoms agree that Democrats should consider apologizing for a few things (like calling swing voters stupid racists) and trying to do a reset with swing voters? Or no? So far we’re running 100% against that idea. Does anyone think it could help? Or do we stick to our guns?

Neither. We should just change messaging and move on.

Change messaging to what? Change any policies, or no?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do any dcurbanmoms agree that Democrats should consider apologizing for a few things (like calling swing voters stupid racists) and trying to do a reset with swing voters? Or no? So far we’re running 100% against that idea. Does anyone think it could help? Or do we stick to our guns?

I don't see a purpose. Republicans have never apologized a day in their existence. Parties don't apologize.
Show me a list of ideas that a swing voter between trump and democrats would have which aren't heavily leaned towards MAGA.

The problem is that the swing voters just broke Republican. Those are the ones we have to win back.

Why do we whine that both sides should have to apologize? Why should we care if Republicans reach out to our voters? Obviously they already did, sneakily, and it worked. Who cares what seems fair? This isn’t a slap fight. This is politics. Our latest beliefs don’t make us winners. Getting votes makes us winners.

MAGA appeals to a conspiratorial type of person. I don't really see the purpose of extending coalition to conspiracy theorists.

I’m not talking about extending coalition to MAGA. I’m talking about apologizing to the normal swing voters who disappointed to such an extent that they preferred the discredited MAGA rapist-in-chief to continued Democratic Party leadership. Apparently they aren’t that happy with us lately. We should find out why and to fix it? We can still KNOW that we are always right about everything. But we should at least ask around a little bit and find out what swing voters falsely BELIEVE we did wrong.

Look, I'm in the coalition and democrats will never give me an apology for consistently shafting progressives at every point to appeal to moderate dems and swing voters. Welcome to a 2 party system: you get what you get and you don't throw fits. Progressives have done a ton of the hard work for democrats and are given almost no time for policy or agenda-building; meanwhile, we are expected to vote 100% for democrats and are blamed for everything. You live on. No one is apologizing to anyone, because no matter what you say, people will call you pretentious, manipulators, and dishonest.