What SHOULD Dems do?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do any dcurbanmoms agree that Democrats should consider apologizing for a few things (like calling swing voters stupid racists) and trying to do a reset with swing voters? Or no? So far we’re running 100% against that idea. Does anyone think it could help? Or do we stick to our guns?

Neither. We should just change messaging and move on.

Change messaging to what? Change any policies, or no?

Obviously we need to back off from the modern rhetoric of DEI and go back to what won the civil rights struggle that all people are equal under the law. We need to stop splitting people up by identity and promote class unity. It’s so freaking obvious but I feel like I am screaming into the void while the black lady and white lady above snipe at eachother about their race. So stupid. With friends like these who needs enemies?

[Anonymous]

*sorry not above but in the Paul Weiss thread

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People, the right response is not to nitpick the list. The CUSTOMER is always right, NOT the store manager. Swing voters don’t care if WE think school closures were “worth the costs,” they were longer here than anywhere else on Earth, and they had real costs. Swing voters want an apology. If we refuse, then apparently “being right” is more important to us than winning back votes.

I’m giving you the prescription. It’s painful for people like us who get a lot of our sense of moral worth from our party affiliation. And a lot if our sense of intellectual worth from winning arguments. We think politics is a debating society, and we happen to be the smart kids. But it’s actually a value exchange. If we give the voters what they want (and what they are ready for), they’ll let us lead. If we don’t give them what they want (because we think we know better), they won’t let us lead.

They can live in their filth then
If democracy is worth nothing, then they don't have it

Ben Franklin was right. It's a democracy, if you can keep it.

Ben Franklin was right, but you are wrong.

Ooooo

So that is where I went wrong
Not the idea that if people don't want a democratic republic then they don't have it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do any dcurbanmoms agree that Democrats should consider apologizing for a few things (like calling swing voters stupid racists) and trying to do a reset with swing voters? Or no? So far we’re running 100% against that idea. Does anyone think it could help? Or do we stick to our guns?

Neither. We should just change messaging and move on.

Change messaging to what? Change any policies, or no?

Obviously we need to back off from the modern rhetoric of DEI and go back to what won the civil rights struggle that all people are equal under the law. We need to stop splitting people up by identity and promote class unity. It’s so freaking obvious but I feel like I am screaming into the void while the black lady and white lady above snipe at eachother about their race. So stupid. With friends like these who needs enemies?

Republicans control that narrative, not dems. People aren't actually interested in class consciousness either, too socialist. When dems talk about taxing the rich, they're crazy, don't understand the economy, and are whackos who hate America and want it to be poor. When repubs talk about draining the middle class and democrat donors, they're draining the swamp, ridding corruption, and eliminating the waste.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I love elimination of all the fraud, waste and abuse. There should be more cuts to federal spending. More fat can be trimmed.

Can you identify evidence for the bolded?
What ethical actions are you seeing that are to be celebrated?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do any dcurbanmoms agree that Democrats should consider apologizing for a few things (like calling swing voters stupid racists) and trying to do a reset with swing voters? Or no? So far we’re running 100% against that idea. Does anyone think it could help? Or do we stick to our guns?

Neither. We should just change messaging and move on.

Change messaging to what? Change any policies, or no?

Obviously we need to back off from the modern rhetoric of DEI and go back to what won the civil rights struggle that all people are equal under the law. We need to stop splitting people up by identity and promote class unity. It’s so freaking obvious but I feel like I am screaming into the void while the black lady and white lady above snipe at eachother about their race. So stupid. With friends like these who needs enemies?

Republicans control that narrative, not dems. People aren't actually interested in class consciousness either, too socialist. When dems talk about taxing the rich, they're crazy, don't understand the economy, and are whackos who hate America and want it to be poor. When repubs talk about draining the middle class and democrat donors, they're draining the swamp, ridding corruption, and eliminating the waste.

Not entirely. We set it up for them and they spiked the ball. Believe me or not but I live in a very progressive neighborhood and I am a full-on progressive but the rhetoric back in 2020/21 was so ignorant and divisive even for me. People literally were screamed at by roving mobs of self professed progressives because they had white skin while eating lunch outside. Trainings where the history of white oppression was outlined and any white people were directly told to not speak and take a back seat. That will never work. Ever. People are equal or else they will fight one another for power. That’s a fact of life that we need to understand. We need a positive and inclusive message NOT negative and identity based exclusivity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do any dcurbanmoms agree that Democrats should consider apologizing for a few things (like calling swing voters stupid racists) and trying to do a reset with swing voters? Or no? So far we’re running 100% against that idea. Does anyone think it could help? Or do we stick to our guns?

Neither. We should just change messaging and move on.

Change messaging to what? Change any policies, or no?

Obviously we need to back off from the modern rhetoric of DEI and go back to what won the civil rights struggle that all people are equal under the law. We need to stop splitting people up by identity and promote class unity. It’s so freaking obvious but I feel like I am screaming into the void while the black lady and white lady above snipe at eachother about their race. So stupid. With friends like these who needs enemies?

Republicans control that narrative, not dems. People aren't actually interested in class consciousness either, too socialist. When dems talk about taxing the rich, they're crazy, don't understand the economy, and are whackos who hate America and want it to be poor. When repubs talk about draining the middle class and democrat donors, they're draining the swamp, ridding corruption, and eliminating the waste.

Not entirely. We set it up for them and they spiked the ball. Believe me or not but I live in a very progressive neighborhood and I am a full-on progressive but the rhetoric back in 2020/21 was so ignorant and divisive even for me. People literally were screamed at by roving mobs of self professed progressives because they had white skin while eating lunch outside. Trainings where the history of white oppression was outlined and any white people were directly told to not speak and take a back seat. That will never work. Ever. People are equal or else they will fight one another for power. That’s a fact of life that we need to understand. We need a positive and inclusive message NOT negative and identity based exclusivity.

I'm a black dude. Your narrative sounds, frankly, like a white guy upset that people aren't kind to white guys. I don't care. No one cares. Be colorblind, no one is stopping you. Be racist, no one is stopping you-it's currently encouraged. Just stop making everything about how black people are making your message worse, we get it, you don't like us and want to scrub racism under the rug to prioritize manufacturing workers in Pennsylvania who don't give a rat's a$$ about you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do any dcurbanmoms agree that Democrats should consider apologizing for a few things (like calling swing voters stupid racists) and trying to do a reset with swing voters? Or no? So far we’re running 100% against that idea. Does anyone think it could help? Or do we stick to our guns?

Neither. We should just change messaging and move on.

Change messaging to what? Change any policies, or no?

Obviously we need to back off from the modern rhetoric of DEI and go back to what won the civil rights struggle that all people are equal under the law. We need to stop splitting people up by identity and promote class unity. It’s so freaking obvious but I feel like I am screaming into the void while the black lady and white lady above snipe at eachother about their race. So stupid. With friends like these who needs enemies?

Republicans control that narrative, not dems. People aren't actually interested in class consciousness either, too socialist. When dems talk about taxing the rich, they're crazy, don't understand the economy, and are whackos who hate America and want it to be poor. When repubs talk about draining the middle class and democrat donors, they're draining the swamp, ridding corruption, and eliminating the waste.

Not entirely. We set it up for them and they spiked the ball. Believe me or not but I live in a very progressive neighborhood and I am a full-on progressive but the rhetoric back in 2020/21 was so ignorant and divisive even for me. People literally were screamed at by roving mobs of self professed progressives because they had white skin while eating lunch outside. Trainings where the history of white oppression was outlined and any white people were directly told to not speak and take a back seat. That will never work. Ever. People are equal or else they will fight one another for power. That’s a fact of life that we need to understand. We need a positive and inclusive message NOT negative and identity based exclusivity.

I'm a black dude. Your narrative sounds, frankly, like a white guy upset that people aren't kind to white guys. I don't care. No one cares. Be colorblind, no one is stopping you. Be racist, no one is stopping you-it's currently encouraged. Just stop making everything about how black people are making your message worse, we get it, you don't like us and want to scrub racism under the rug to prioritize manufacturing workers in Pennsylvania who don't give a rat's a$$ about you.

See now there it is. I never said anything of the sort. Yes of course it’s a problem if people are not “kind to white guys” just like it’s a problem of white pepper are not “kind to black guys. Why is that such a difficult concept? Don’t you want to be treated like an individual rather than a stereotype?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Jon Stewart is ridiculing Dem leadership.
People want to dump Schumer for caving.
What would be an attack plan that makes sense?
I almost wish we had a parliamentary system right now, a dozen parties and coalitions forming and reforming.

I think what the Democratic leadership is implying is that Trump’s approval has to fall below 40 percent and, ideally, 30 percent for them to do a lot.

The problem is that liberals, progressives, Democrats, etc. have been divided by Russian or Republican manipulation, too, and mostly refuse to acknowledge that.

We’re not taking the Trump threat seriously.

We’re blaming each other, saying we want to eject this or that flawed person, wanting to refuse aid from billionaires, wanting to refuse ties with PACs or big business, and making many other idiotic, self-destructive decisions.

If Trump is really a dictator, we have to focus on that issue, cast aside ordinary policy differences and unite to fight things like the administration ignoring routine court rulings.

If we have to unite with people who hate abortion or love tax breaks but who also support free elections, the rule of law and peaceful resolution of disputes, we have to hold our noses and get in a big tent with those folks.

And, in addition to welcoming AOC and Rashida Tlaib with enthusiastic love, we have to find arguments that appeal to independents and persuadable Republicans, not revel in arguments that we like.

We can cling to what we believe and not water that down, but we have to stop the nuclear bomb that’s going off now before we focus on other issues and wall ourselves off from people who disagree about those issues.

And most of the people in the center and in the left disagreeing with this are simply targets of disinformation aimed at us instead of the Republicans are. Until we understand that we’re manipulated, too, we have no hope of fighting back. If you’re raging about the suggestion that we should unite with jerks, then you’re as much a part of the problem as the people in MAGA caps. You’re just the blue version of them.

I will never unite with pro-lifers, bible beaters, or transphobes for any reason. Trump himself is less of a problem than people who believe some of this filth.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do any dcurbanmoms agree that Democrats should consider apologizing for a few things (like calling swing voters stupid racists) and trying to do a reset with swing voters? Or no? So far we’re running 100% against that idea. Does anyone think it could help? Or do we stick to our guns?

Neither. We should just change messaging and move on.

Change messaging to what? Change any policies, or no?

Obviously we need to back off from the modern rhetoric of DEI and go back to what won the civil rights struggle that all people are equal under the law. We need to stop splitting people up by identity and promote class unity. It’s so freaking obvious but I feel like I am screaming into the void while the black lady and white lady above snipe at eachother about their race. So stupid. With friends like these who needs enemies?

Republicans control that narrative, not dems. People aren't actually interested in class consciousness either, too socialist. When dems talk about taxing the rich, they're crazy, don't understand the economy, and are whackos who hate America and want it to be poor. When repubs talk about draining the middle class and democrat donors, they're draining the swamp, ridding corruption, and eliminating the waste.

Not entirely. We set it up for them and they spiked the ball. Believe me or not but I live in a very progressive neighborhood and I am a full-on progressive but the rhetoric back in 2020/21 was so ignorant and divisive even for me. People literally were screamed at by roving mobs of self professed progressives because they had white skin while eating lunch outside. Trainings where the history of white oppression was outlined and any white people were directly told to not speak and take a back seat. That will never work. Ever. People are equal or else they will fight one another for power. That’s a fact of life that we need to understand. We need a positive and inclusive message NOT negative and identity based exclusivity.

I'm a black dude. Your narrative sounds, frankly, like a white guy upset that people aren't kind to white guys. I don't care. No one cares. Be colorblind, no one is stopping you. Be racist, no one is stopping you-it's currently encouraged. Just stop making everything about how black people are making your message worse, we get it, you don't like us and want to scrub racism under the rug to prioritize manufacturing workers in Pennsylvania who don't give a rat's a$$ about you.

You are literally making up a narrative that is false based on perceived race. That’s called prejudice and it leads to hate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jon Stewart is ridiculing Dem leadership.
People want to dump Schumer for caving.
What would be an attack plan that makes sense?
I almost wish we had a parliamentary system right now, a dozen parties and coalitions forming and reforming.

I think what the Democratic leadership is implying is that Trump’s approval has to fall below 40 percent and, ideally, 30 percent for them to do a lot.

The problem is that liberals, progressives, Democrats, etc. have been divided by Russian or Republican manipulation, too, and mostly refuse to acknowledge that.

We’re not taking the Trump threat seriously.

We’re blaming each other, saying we want to eject this or that flawed person, wanting to refuse aid from billionaires, wanting to refuse ties with PACs or big business, and making many other idiotic, self-destructive decisions.

If Trump is really a dictator, we have to focus on that issue, cast aside ordinary policy differences and unite to fight things like the administration ignoring routine court rulings.

If we have to unite with people who hate abortion or love tax breaks but who also support free elections, the rule of law and peaceful resolution of disputes, we have to hold our noses and get in a big tent with those folks.

And, in addition to welcoming AOC and Rashida Tlaib with enthusiastic love, we have to find arguments that appeal to independents and persuadable Republicans, not revel in arguments that we like.

We can cling to what we believe and not water that down, but we have to stop the nuclear bomb that’s going off now before we focus on other issues and wall ourselves off from people who disagree about those issues.

And most of the people in the center and in the left disagreeing with this are simply targets of disinformation aimed at us instead of the Republicans are. Until we understand that we’re manipulated, too, we have no hope of fighting back. If you’re raging about the suggestion that we should unite with jerks, then you’re as much a part of the problem as the people in MAGA caps. You’re just the blue version of them.

I will never unite with pro-lifers, bible beaters, or transphobes for any reason. Trump himself is less of a problem than people who believe some of this filth.

Why can’t you live and let live as long as the other side does the same? Isn’t that the basis of our country?

[Anonymous]

Find a decent middle of the road liberal, someone younger without any extreme ideas. They need to stop focusing on trump and move into the future.

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Anonymous wrote:Do any dcurbanmoms agree that Democrats should consider apologizing for a few things (like calling swing voters stupid racists) and trying to do a reset with swing voters? Or no? So far we’re running 100% against that idea. Does anyone think it could help? Or do we stick to our guns?

Neither. We should just change messaging and move on.

Change messaging to what? Change any policies, or no?

Obviously we need to back off from the modern rhetoric of DEI and go back to what won the civil rights struggle that all people are equal under the law. We need to stop splitting people up by identity and promote class unity. It’s so freaking obvious but I feel like I am screaming into the void while the black lady and white lady above snipe at eachother about their race. So stupid. With friends like these who needs enemies?

Republicans control that narrative, not dems. People aren't actually interested in class consciousness either, too socialist. When dems talk about taxing the rich, they're crazy, don't understand the economy, and are whackos who hate America and want it to be poor. When repubs talk about draining the middle class and democrat donors, they're draining the swamp, ridding corruption, and eliminating the waste.

Not entirely. We set it up for them and they spiked the ball. Believe me or not but I live in a very progressive neighborhood and I am a full-on progressive but the rhetoric back in 2020/21 was so ignorant and divisive even for me. People literally were screamed at by roving mobs of self professed progressives because they had white skin while eating lunch outside. Trainings where the history of white oppression was outlined and any white people were directly told to not speak and take a back seat. That will never work. Ever. People are equal or else they will fight one another for power. That’s a fact of life that we need to understand. We need a positive and inclusive message NOT negative and identity based exclusivity.

I'm a black dude. Your narrative sounds, frankly, like a white guy upset that people aren't kind to white guys. I don't care. No one cares. Be colorblind, no one is stopping you. Be racist, no one is stopping you-it's currently encouraged. Just stop making everything about how black people are making your message worse, we get it, you don't like us and want to scrub racism under the rug to prioritize manufacturing workers in Pennsylvania who don't give a rat's a$$ about you.

See now there it is. I never said anything of the sort. Yes of course it’s a problem if people are not “kind to white guys” just like it’s a problem of white pepper are not “kind to black guys. Why is that such a difficult concept? Don’t you want to be treated like an individual rather than a stereotype?

I'm not treated like either, though you want to create this narrative that it is an issue for me. I went to college, I have a masters, I'm in the top 10% of American incomes. The people who supported me along the way were conscious of the fight it took and the realities of being black in America. The ones who pretend race didn't matter were lazy, often previously wealthy, and were people who gained a lot from the system and needed to plug their ears to justify their opinions. It is an objective fact that black Americans, on average, do worse in American society across the board; if you can't believe that and need to go into psychosis about colorblindness and all men being equal to live on, great but its not real. I'm tired of white men lecturing about how we are too stupid to see the obvious choice to treat everyone the same-no $hit, we've been saying that for nearly 80 years now, but it Isn't born into reality.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do any dcurbanmoms agree that Democrats should consider apologizing for a few things (like calling swing voters stupid racists) and trying to do a reset with swing voters? Or no? So far we’re running 100% against that idea. Does anyone think it could help? Or do we stick to our guns?

Neither. We should just change messaging and move on.

Change messaging to what? Change any policies, or no?

Obviously we need to back off from the modern rhetoric of DEI and go back to what won the civil rights struggle that all people are equal under the law. We need to stop splitting people up by identity and promote class unity. It’s so freaking obvious but I feel like I am screaming into the void while the black lady and white lady above snipe at eachother about their race. So stupid. With friends like these who needs enemies?

Republicans control that narrative, not dems. People aren't actually interested in class consciousness either, too socialist. When dems talk about taxing the rich, they're crazy, don't understand the economy, and are whackos who hate America and want it to be poor. When repubs talk about draining the middle class and democrat donors, they're draining the swamp, ridding corruption, and eliminating the waste.

Not entirely. We set it up for them and they spiked the ball. Believe me or not but I live in a very progressive neighborhood and I am a full-on progressive but the rhetoric back in 2020/21 was so ignorant and divisive even for me. People literally were screamed at by roving mobs of self professed progressives because they had white skin while eating lunch outside. Trainings where the history of white oppression was outlined and any white people were directly told to not speak and take a back seat. That will never work. Ever. People are equal or else they will fight one another for power. That’s a fact of life that we need to understand. We need a positive and inclusive message NOT negative and identity based exclusivity.

I'm a black dude. Your narrative sounds, frankly, like a white guy upset that people aren't kind to white guys. I don't care. No one cares. Be colorblind, no one is stopping you. Be racist, no one is stopping you-it's currently encouraged. Just stop making everything about how black people are making your message worse, we get it, you don't like us and want to scrub racism under the rug to prioritize manufacturing workers in Pennsylvania who don't give a rat's a$$ about you.

You are literally making up a narrative that is false based on perceived race. That’s called prejudice and it leads to hate.

uh huh...

[Anonymous]

Any proof of this “whites screamed at for eating outside” nonsense?

Sorry, not buying it