Time for reflection as a dem?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No. Democrats aren’t too far left. The country is too fundamentally divided and I believe that I have nothing in common with the people who voted for Trump. They deserve what they get. Let’s stop pretending that this should be one country. I will never compromised on public health, civil rights, education, abortion, or the separation of church and state.

Mainstream candidates aren't, but I do think we're hurt by the poor rhetoric and proposals from vocal groups on the fringes. I don't get why the Republicans aren't equally affected by their MAGA wing.

I wrote a candidate in and split my ticket down ballot. I dislike MAGA with a flaming passion.

But the thing is, the country aligns slightly more with the few policy proposals Republicans put forward. I realize most of politics these days is dumb memes, but also people didn't like the idea of grocery price controls, court packing, and ending the filibuster.

[Anonymous]

No, I just can’t understand how this happened. But after a few years we can try to get back to where we are and make things right again. Suffering lies ahead, but it will affect everyone and they will finally accept the truth.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trumps win is a resounding one, no question about the results and the majority of voters. Is it time for dems to have a moment of reflection and time to stop pushing so hard to the left??

Or is it time we accept that US is fundamentally misogynistic and don’t float female candidates for president?

When Hilary ran, it was an eye opener for me - I thought however bad racism is here, the sexism is much worse. Now we have a president elect who is a convicted rapist and on video tape as saying he routinely sexually assaults women he finds attractive. He refers to female opponents in highly vulgar and vicious ways.

Now half of US states don’t have basic human reproductive rights. Maybe we do have to stop worrying about women in those states if they reelect the guy who orchestrated this fate for the .

Maybe Dems need to learn to suck up More to Billionaires in Big Tech?

I agree with you that Dems need to learn from this election but don’t think their agenda was particularly extreme.

Dems should just do what MAGAs do already, pursue their own selfish interests.

If conservative women want their daughters to be forced to give birth to infants with terrible birth defects, eff em.

If people "struggling" with inflation want to enact massive tariffs and block most immigration, thereby guaranteeing massive inflation, eff em.

If people want to let Russia retake all of Eastern Europe, eff em.

As someone who knows many people who have chosen to give birth to children who they knew would have a very short life, you are a terrible, terrible person. My friends loved their few days with their beloved kids whose bodies were broken and failed them. How the eff can you speak like this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No. Democrats aren’t too far left. The country is too fundamentally divided and I believe that I have nothing in common with the people who voted for Trump. They deserve what they get. Let’s stop pretending that this should be one country. I will never compromised on public health, civil rights, education, abortion, or the separation of church and state.

+1,000,000
We won’t be gaslit today

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't overthink it. People *hate* inflation, and virtually everything else is an abstract. It doesn't matter that the Biden admin had relatively little to do with the inflation, that we had a soft landing, or that we have fared better than basically any other advanced economy. Those are all abstract ideas to voters too. It doesn't even matter that the rate of inflation has been nearly back to normal for a year. People simply hate inflation and want to punish politicians for it, the end.

Yep.
Plus good old fashioned racism and sexism.

+1000. people don't care about trans surgery for inmates when they have $ in the bank. Sadly they will have less of it now but they got what they asked for. How about dems do a study over the next four years on what Trump "improves" in all of the rural counties and then play the results in 2028 ads? If we have an election that is.

You do understand that as a country, we are borrowing a third of the dollars we spend at the federal level. At the state and local level, governments are struggling to pay for quality basic services like education and policing. Spending even one dollar on trans surgeries for inmates is unacceptable. Give them mental health care and move on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No. Democrats aren’t too far left. The country is too fundamentally divided and I believe that I have nothing in common with the people who voted for Trump. They deserve what they get. Let’s stop pretending that this should be one country. I will never compromised on public health, civil rights, education, abortion, or the separation of church and state.

Mainstream candidates aren't, but I do think we're hurt by the poor rhetoric and proposals from vocal groups on the fringes. I don't get why the Republicans aren't equally affected by their MAGA wing.

I wrote a candidate in and split my ticket down ballot. I dislike MAGA with a flaming passion.

But the thing is, the country aligns slightly more with the few policy proposals Republicans put forward. I realize most of politics these days is dumb memes, but also people didn't like the idea of grocery price controls, court packing, and ending the filibuster.

+1 I wrote in a Dem who has a track record of sane, centrist policies in an executive branch role. Which neither major party candidate offered. Coconut memes left me cold and only Congressional or state races would restore reproductive rights, not a president.

[Anonymous]

No, keep it up. Please.

[Anonymous]

Reflection will not make any difference. This election was purchased, courtesy of citizens united.

The oligarchs who bought off Trump will make lots of money, and it will primarily be through reduced regulation and schemes to siphon off taxpayer dollars to their private pockets (like the privatization of prisons).

Apparently people believe what Trump tells them no matter how cognitively dissonant it may be. So even when inflation goes through the roof and the deficit triples, Trump will tell them everything is great and they’ll agree.

Nothing to do with policies. That’s a quaint notion of the Democratic Party and anathema to the GOP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't overthink it. People *hate* inflation, and virtually everything else is an abstract. It doesn't matter that the Biden admin had relatively little to do with the inflation, that we had a soft landing, or that we have fared better than basically any other advanced economy. Those are all abstract ideas to voters too. It doesn't even matter that the rate of inflation has been nearly back to normal for a year. People simply hate inflation and want to punish politicians for it, the end.

Yep.
Plus good old fashioned racism and sexism.

+1000. people don't care about trans surgery for inmates when they have $ in the bank. Sadly they will have less of it now but they got what they asked for. How about dems do a study over the next four years on what Trump "improves" in all of the rural counties and then play the results in 2028 ads? If we have an election that is.

You do understand that as a country, we are borrowing a third of the dollars we spend at the federal level. At the state and local level, governments are struggling to pay for quality basic services like education and policing. Spending even one dollar on trans surgeries for inmates is unacceptable. Give them mental health care and move on.

Or we give full and universal healthcare to everyone, including their brains, eyes and teeth, whether inmates or not, on the premise that a healthy workforce is a productive and innovative workforce.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trumps win is a resounding one, no question about the results and the majority of voters. Is it time for dems to have a moment of reflection and time to stop pushing so hard to the left??

Or is it time we accept that US is fundamentally misogynistic and don’t float female candidates for president?

When Hilary ran, it was an eye opener for me - I thought however bad racism is here, the sexism is much worse. Now we have a president elect who is a convicted rapist and on video tape as saying he routinely sexually assaults women he finds attractive. He refers to female opponents in highly vulgar and vicious ways.

Now half of US states don’t have basic human reproductive rights. Maybe we do have to stop worrying about women in those states if they reelect the guy who orchestrated this fate for the .

Maybe Dems need to learn to suck up More to Billionaires in Big Tech?

I agree with you that Dems need to learn from this election but don’t think their agenda was particularly extreme.

He is not a convicted rapist (learn how our court system works). And, I'm sorry, her story was unbelievable.

[Anonymous]

Maybe running an anti men campaign wasn't the best idea. What idiot actually approved the commercial where women were encouraged to deceive their husbands about their vote?
That's incredibly insulting to women and very offensive to men. I'm an independent that has voted for both parties in the past but that attitude is what pushed me to vote Republican this time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe running an anti men campaign wasn't the best idea. What idiot actually approved the commercial where women were encouraged to deceive their husbands about their vote?
That's incredibly insulting to women and very offensive to men. I'm an independent that has voted for both parties in the past but that attitude is what pushed me to vote Republican this time.

What "anti-men" campaign?

And shouldn't women have the right to privacy in how they vote and not have to vote as their husbands tell them to?

I don't get you at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe running an anti men campaign wasn't the best idea. What idiot actually approved the commercial where women were encouraged to deceive their husbands about their vote?
That's incredibly insulting to women and very offensive to men. I'm an independent that has voted for both parties in the past but that attitude is what pushed me to vote Republican this time.

This was big! Plus the Democrat party didn't even let us choose who we wanted to represent us. We just had Kamala pushed down our throats. They should have made the decision a lot sooner that Biden wasn't running and actually let us decide who we wanted

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No, I just can’t understand how this happened. But after a few years we can try to get back to where we are and make things right again. Suffering lies ahead, but it will affect everyone and they will finally accept the truth.

Wow. You can't understand? You flat out refuse to do some reflection?

I'm an anti-Trump Harris voter who 100% understand how this happened. There were not enough voters who like me decided to vote solely on the issue of abortion (and not being able to stand Trump).

Had Roe not been overturned I would have voted Republican.

It's an "all of the above" to answer "how this happened" - yet you and most all Dems will continue to put your heads in the sand....and if you continue to deny the need for reflection the GOP will win again in 2028...unless you put forth a Dem who brings back the pendulum from the too far left.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trumps win is a resounding one, no question about the results and the majority of voters. Is it time for dems to have a moment of reflection and time to stop pushing so hard to the left??

Or is it time we accept that US is fundamentally misogynistic and don’t float female candidates for president?

When Hilary ran, it was an eye opener for me - I thought however bad racism is here, the sexism is much worse. Now we have a president elect who is a convicted rapist and on video tape as saying he routinely sexually assaults women he finds attractive. He refers to female opponents in highly vulgar and vicious ways.

Now half of US states don’t have basic human reproductive rights. Maybe we do have to stop worrying about women in those states if they reelect the guy who orchestrated this fate for the .

Maybe Dems need to learn to suck up More to Billionaires in Big Tech?

I agree with you that Dems need to learn from this election but don’t think their agenda was particularly extreme.

He is not a convicted rapist (learn how our court system works). And, I'm sorry, her story was unbelievable.

He was found liable for sexual assault in a civil case. That's a fact that can't be denied. And, he is on tape bragging about sexually assaulting women.
You are in delusional denial. Trump won because of people like you who are in delusional denial.