Why is the younger generation of men more conservative than in the past?

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of them were radicalized by GamerGate (look it up) and other related Internet events, and then easily slipped into a sort of sexist, “traditional” Manosphere. Except in the past you would have expected that type of attitude to be rooted in religion, especially evangelical Christianity, and now it’s sort of a weird mishmosh of secular atheists and people who don’t care about religion one way or the other, traditional Catholics, and is lighter on the evangelicalism/fundamentalism of the 90s and 2000s. There are still some, but it’s not the same as the Bush or Tea Party years.

This. They've been brainwashed for the past 10 years by weirdo older men on Youtube, video game chat channels, etc that were funded by billionaire conservatives. Andrew Tate, Prager U, et al explicitly began targeting minor boys with their slanted content.

They literally were indoctrinated to start hating women and "others" when they were 14-15 years old. And no one has really written the true story about this. They didn't target teen girls with this content - just boys.

This, and the pandemic was an accelerant. Spending 2020-2021 in social isolation drove young men to the right for two reasons: First, more extroverted young people could blame Democrats for the pandemic overreach (and I agree it was overreach in retrospect even if it might have seemed the right policy at the time). And second, introverted young men would spend even MORE time going down online rabbit holes.

While that’s true, I detest these young men and boys with every fiber of my being. I’m mixed race and the parent of a good-natured DD; my octogenarian White father and my DH and brother have none of these vile qualities. I detest not only the perennially online element of culture that has seeded this toxicity, but the failed parenting that helped incubate it into flower. We see a lot of it here, and if you run a search on the longer threads regarding school violence from ES through HS, on how to keep boys from ‘falling behind,’ and the like, you see that parenting mores have reemphasized this kind of sociopathic material so that too many young White men are convinced that they have to destroy all girls and women and most POC to feel okay about themselves. It’s multi factorial but parenting failures are also very much to blame.

Just say you hate poor people, especially poor men. It would be faster and more to the point.

Curious if you are working class.

I’mma take some liberties here - uh no, that a-hole is not. It’s some garbage Charlie Kirk fan employing digital laborface in real time. Kind of exciting!

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Anonymous wrote:OP - your statement that college educated males are more conservative does not align with fact. Education leads to more liberal views in both men and women.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10087825/

Or, put another way, a lack of wealth and economic stability lead to conservative views.

LBJ’s assessment of the Southern Strategy was dead on.

Lee Atwater, may he suffer for all of measurable time in the afterlife, also knew this. It’s the political undercurrent animating sociopaths like Musk and phenomena like GamerGate.

Well, and liberals, particularly a lot of wealthy women, cannot keep a lid on how much they despise poor and working class men.

Why would anybody ever vote for a political party that telegraphs far and wide how much it hates you for who you are? We don’t expect women to vote Republican these days — and hopefully they will carry Harris to victory — so I do not understand why anyone expects poor and working class men to vote for Democrats.

It’s so wild watching DCUM threads on this. It is such a bubble here.

So you’re 12:08 and 12:10, do you work? I mean, you’re like a labor organizer right? Chapo Trap House fan? Lolz.

You total and complete idiot. Life’s gonna feel rough next Wednesday morning for you. I commend your work with William Barber on the Poor People’s Campaign.

I’m a Harris voter and you are a classist jerk.

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Anonymous wrote:DCUM is such a blind wealthy bubble sometimes. These toxic angry posts from aggrieved wealthy women are wild.

OP, hang out in poorer areas and the answer to you question will be obvious.

Explain it to us.

Why are poor 20 year olds more conservative than poor 27 year olds?

Because the poorer boys are coming of age after Covid, which was used as an excuse by a lot of corporations to break down jobs that used to be paths towards working for lower-class men. In the meantime, a sharp uptick in immigration under Democrats has increased job competition.

DCUM has no understanding, interest, or sympathy for labor issues for LMC and poor people, particularly men, so I am assuming this is news to you. But the labor market has changed dramatically in the past ten years, and the ones harmed have been poor and working class men.

Not sure why you assume that we don't know poor people. Very strange. I'm black. Half of my family is really poor and 1/2 is middle class. I happen to be more upper class, but I still hang with my family. Unions are dying for workers. Building trades, electricians, plumbers, etc. These jobs are not going to immigrants. Young men don't seem to want these jobs either even though they pay 6 figures.

I'm not sure what young men. It's as if they think that it's their god given right to be successful without having to work for it.

DCUMs casual classist misandry is always so crazy to see in action. Let’s try your last paragraph on for other groups — why don’t you substitute “black people” rather than “young men”. Or “young women.” Or “Asian immigrants.” Or literally any other demographic group.

You’d be reporting the post as hateful, you’d be complaining, you’d be angry. But when the target is “young men” and really what you mean is “LMC and working class men,” it’s fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Stuff gets real when "give women and colored people more rights" starts to put some women and colored people over white men.

It's easier to be politically pro-equality while you still retain privileges.

Exactly.

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Anonymous wrote:It must be weird to learn that a penis doesn’t mean as much these days. Imagine what it’s like to live with a uterus? You don’t even have a say as to what goes in or out of it. Oh wait. Like it’s always been.


Zero tears for the boys. It’s long past time we all behaved with empathy and consideration for everyone.

You're letting your partner walk all over you if you "don't have a say"

More like the Supreme Court has opted to silence it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP - your statement that college educated males are more conservative does not align with fact. Education leads to more liberal views in both men and women.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10087825/

Or, put another way, a lack of wealth and economic stability lead to conservative views.

LBJ’s assessment of the Southern Strategy was dead on.

Lee Atwater, may he suffer for all of measurable time in the afterlife, also knew this. It’s the political undercurrent animating sociopaths like Musk and phenomena like GamerGate.

Well, and liberals, particularly a lot of wealthy women, cannot keep a lid on how much they despise poor and working class men.

Why would anybody ever vote for a political party that telegraphs far and wide how much it hates you for who you are? We don’t expect women to vote Republican these days — and hopefully they will carry Harris to victory — so I do not understand why anyone expects poor and working class men to vote for Democrats.

It’s so wild watching DCUM threads on this. It is such a bubble here.

So you’re 12:08 and 12:10, do you work? I mean, you’re like a labor organizer right? Chapo Trap House fan? Lolz.

You total and complete idiot. Life’s gonna feel rough next Wednesday morning for you. I commend your work with William Barber on the Poor People’s Campaign.

I’m a Harris voter and you are a classist jerk.

Hey, me too! You can and should still ESAD. I’m an actual progressive with poor family, and I am TIRED of ‘white men in crisis’ when it’s used to give mealy-mouthed support to embittered white men trampling all over women and POC. My daughter and my family who are visibly POC deserve opportunity, too. I wish you and yours the worst, and I’m pretty confident that I’ll get my wish! Kisses.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DCUM is such a blind wealthy bubble sometimes. These toxic angry posts from aggrieved wealthy women are wild.

OP, hang out in poorer areas and the answer to you question will be obvious.

Explain it to us.

Why are poor 20 year olds more conservative than poor 27 year olds?

Because the poorer boys are coming of age after Covid, which was used as an excuse by a lot of corporations to break down jobs that used to be paths towards working for lower-class men. In the meantime, a sharp uptick in immigration under Democrats has increased job competition.

DCUM has no understanding, interest, or sympathy for labor issues for LMC and poor people, particularly men, so I am assuming this is news to you. But the labor market has changed dramatically in the past ten years, and the ones harmed have been poor and working class men.

Not sure why you assume that we don't know poor people. Very strange. I'm black. Half of my family is really poor and 1/2 is middle class. I happen to be more upper class, but I still hang with my family. Unions are dying for workers. Building trades, electricians, plumbers, etc. These jobs are not going to immigrants. Young men don't seem to want these jobs either even though they pay 6 figures.

I'm not sure what young men. It's as if they think that it's their god given right to be successful without having to work for it.

DCUMs casual classist misandry is always so crazy to see in action. Let’s try your last paragraph on for other groups — why don’t you substitute “black people” rather than “young men”. Or “young women.” Or “Asian immigrants.” Or literally any other demographic group.

You’d be reporting the post as hateful, you’d be complaining, you’d be angry. But when the target is “young men” and really what you mean is “LMC and working class men,” it’s fine.

If the poster MEANT economically disadvantaged men, they’d have written that. You’re a failed mind-reader (along with being a burst bag of dogshit.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Because they've been demonized their entire lives. Straight male bashing is enough vogue with the Democratic party. Have you been on a college campus recently? They pretty much start new student orientations with the presumption that all males = rapists or rapists in waiting during the gender identity and sexual orientation sensitivity training portion of the program. They spend inordinate amounts of time in schools now trying to indoctrinate them they cis gendered males = bad!

That's pretty much my white college boys experience. He's tired of being seen as the problem. Most of his friends are the same. I also disagree with the trad wife expectation, my kid fully understands the economy and how it operates. It didn't help that his HS experience ended during COVID in FCPS with all the crazy prolonged shut downs.

My white college boy doesn’t feel that at all. His professors are mostly white men and the students in his science classes are majority white men. The place he interned over the summer had a majority white men staff with the leadership being mostly white men. He lives in a state with a white male governor and the majority of politicians in power in that state are white men. As he said to me, I don’t see the effects of male oppression in action here.

+1 I have 2 white DS in college (minus the white make governor) who are not threatened at all. But, the college thing is a MAGA talking point. My MAGA brother stopped talking to me because he thought I was placing them in danger by sending them to college. He sends them weird texts and books about how oppressed they are and they pass them on to their group texts and all have a laugh because he is ostensibly paranoid.

Both voting for Dems, one in a swing state. Probably because they see DH who isn’t threatened. He doesn’t think women or minorities are going to take his pie, he just thinks more pie for all to enjoy!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP - your statement that college educated males are more conservative does not align with fact. Education leads to more liberal views in both men and women.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10087825/

Or, put another way, a lack of wealth and economic stability lead to conservative views.

LBJ’s assessment of the Southern Strategy was dead on.

Lee Atwater, may he suffer for all of measurable time in the afterlife, also knew this. It’s the political undercurrent animating sociopaths like Musk and phenomena like GamerGate.

Well, and liberals, particularly a lot of wealthy women, cannot keep a lid on how much they despise poor and working class men.

Why would anybody ever vote for a political party that telegraphs far and wide how much it hates you for who you are? We don’t expect women to vote Republican these days — and hopefully they will carry Harris to victory — so I do not understand why anyone expects poor and working class men to vote for Democrats.

It’s so wild watching DCUM threads on this. It is such a bubble here.

How about focusing on issues that can be addressed by the federal government and not so much on who likes you and who hurts your feelings?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DCUM is such a blind wealthy bubble sometimes. These toxic angry posts from aggrieved wealthy women are wild.

OP, hang out in poorer areas and the answer to you question will be obvious.

Explain it to us.

Why are poor 20 year olds more conservative than poor 27 year olds?

Because the poorer boys are coming of age after Covid, which was used as an excuse by a lot of corporations to break down jobs that used to be paths towards working for lower-class men. In the meantime, a sharp uptick in immigration under Democrats has increased job competition.

DCUM has no understanding, interest, or sympathy for labor issues for LMC and poor people, particularly men, so I am assuming this is news to you. But the labor market has changed dramatically in the past ten years, and the ones harmed have been poor and working class men.

Not sure why you assume that we don't know poor people. Very strange. I'm black. Half of my family is really poor and 1/2 is middle class. I happen to be more upper class, but I still hang with my family. Unions are dying for workers. Building trades, electricians, plumbers, etc. These jobs are not going to immigrants. Young men don't seem to want these jobs either even though they pay 6 figures.

I'm not sure what young men. It's as if they think that it's their god given right to be successful without having to work for it.

DCUMs casual classist misandry is always so crazy to see in action. Let’s try your last paragraph on for other groups — why don’t you substitute “black people” rather than “young men”. Or “young women.” Or “Asian immigrants.” Or literally any other demographic group.

You’d be reporting the post as hateful, you’d be complaining, you’d be angry. But when the target is “young men” and really what you mean is “LMC and working class men,” it’s fine.

GUYS ELON MUSK IS BROKE AS A JOKE AND THAT IS WHY HE IS ROTTEN AND WANTS TO HURT WOMEN AND NON-WHITES.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Because they've been demonized their entire lives. Straight male bashing is enough vogue with the Democratic party. Have you been on a college campus recently? They pretty much start new student orientations with the presumption that all males = rapists or rapists in waiting during the gender identity and sexual orientation sensitivity training portion of the program. They spend inordinate amounts of time in schools now trying to indoctrinate them they cis gendered males = bad!

That's pretty much my white college boys experience. He's tired of being seen as the problem. Most of his friends are the same. I also disagree with the trad wife expectation, my kid fully understands the economy and how it operates. It didn't help that his HS experience ended during COVID in FCPS with all the crazy prolonged shut downs.

My white college boy doesn’t feel that at all. His professors are mostly white men and the students in his science classes are majority white men. The place he interned over the summer had a majority white men staff with the leadership being mostly white men. He lives in a state with a white male governor and the majority of politicians in power in that state are white men. As he said to me, I don’t see the effects of male oppression in action here.

+1 I have 2 white DS in college (minus the white make governor) who are not threatened at all. But, the college thing is a MAGA talking point. My MAGA brother stopped talking to me because he thought I was placing them in danger by sending them to college. He sends them weird texts and books about how oppressed they are and they pass them on to their group texts and all have a laugh because he is ostensibly paranoid.

Both voting for Dems, one in a swing state. Probably because they see DH who isn’t threatened. He doesn’t think women or minorities are going to take his pie, he just thinks more pie for all to enjoy!

+2 same with our while male college boys. Not only is that not actually the message they are getting in school, but if it were, they know better than to be personally offended by the reality that white men have been the dominant geographic in the U.S. forever. They are very excited to vote for Harris.

[Anonymous]

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because they've been demonized their entire lives. Straight male bashing is enough vogue with the Democratic party. Have you been on a college campus recently? They pretty much start new student orientations with the presumption that all males = rapists or rapists in waiting during the gender identity and sexual orientation sensitivity training portion of the program. They spend inordinate amounts of time in schools now trying to indoctrinate them they cis gendered males = bad!

That's pretty much my white college boys experience. He's tired of being seen as the problem. Most of his friends are the same. I also disagree with the trad wife expectation, my kid fully understands the economy and how it operates. It didn't help that his HS experience ended during COVID in FCPS with all the crazy prolonged shut downs.

My white college boy doesn’t feel that at all. His professors are mostly white men and the students in his science classes are majority white men. The place he interned over the summer had a majority white men staff with the leadership being mostly white men. He lives in a state with a white male governor and the majority of politicians in power in that state are white men. As he said to me, I don’t see the effects of male oppression in action here.

+1 I have 2 white DS in college (minus the white make governor) who are not threatened at all. But, the college thing is a MAGA talking point. My MAGA brother stopped talking to me because he thought I was placing them in danger by sending them to college. He sends them weird texts and books about how oppressed they are and they pass them on to their group texts and all have a laugh because he is ostensibly paranoid.

Both voting for Dems, one in a swing state. Probably because they see DH who isn’t threatened. He doesn’t think women or minorities are going to take his pie, he just thinks more pie for all to enjoy!

Yeah this must be made up as that is not what guys do. We don’t pass along texts and laugh with our friends. We read the text and then go on with our day……nice try though

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because they've been demonized their entire lives. Straight male bashing is enough vogue with the Democratic party. Have you been on a college campus recently? They pretty much start new student orientations with the presumption that all males = rapists or rapists in waiting during the gender identity and sexual orientation sensitivity training portion of the program. They spend inordinate amounts of time in schools now trying to indoctrinate them they cis gendered males = bad!

That's pretty much my white college boys experience. He's tired of being seen as the problem. Most of his friends are the same. I also disagree with the trad wife expectation, my kid fully understands the economy and how it operates. It didn't help that his HS experience ended during COVID in FCPS with all the crazy prolonged shut downs.

My white college boy doesn’t feel that at all. His professors are mostly white men and the students in his science classes are majority white men. The place he interned over the summer had a majority white men staff with the leadership being mostly white men. He lives in a state with a white male governor and the majority of politicians in power in that state are white men. As he said to me, I don’t see the effects of male oppression in action here.

+1 I have 2 white DS in college (minus the white make governor) who are not threatened at all. But, the college thing is a MAGA talking point. My MAGA brother stopped talking to me because he thought I was placing them in danger by sending them to college. He sends them weird texts and books about how oppressed they are and they pass them on to their group texts and all have a laugh because he is ostensibly paranoid.

Both voting for Dems, one in a swing state. Probably because they see DH who isn’t threatened. He doesn’t think women or minorities are going to take his pie, he just thinks more pie for all to enjoy!

Yeah this must be made up as that is not what guys do. We don’t pass along texts and laugh with our friends. We read the text and then go on with our day……nice try though

You are clearly not an 18yo because the group text is king, but I really don’t care if you believe me.

[Anonymous]

As a guy, I’d say some of it is resentment of the erosion of the privilege enjoyed by males of previous generations. That’s a lot of of, I should probably rewrite that. Insecurity is a big factor too. They just need to grow some balls.