Why is the younger generation of men more conservative than in the past?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DCUM is such a blind wealthy bubble sometimes. These toxic angry posts from aggrieved wealthy women are wild.

OP, hang out in poorer areas and the answer to you question will be obvious.

Explain it to us.

Why are poor 20 year olds more conservative than poor 27 year olds?

Because the poorer boys are coming of age after Covid, which was used as an excuse by a lot of corporations to break down jobs that used to be paths towards working for lower-class men. In the meantime, a sharp uptick in immigration under Democrats has increased job competition.

DCUM has no understanding, interest, or sympathy for labor issues for LMC and poor people, particularly men, so I am assuming this is news to you. But the labor market has changed dramatically in the past ten years, and the ones harmed have been poor and working class men.

[Anonymous]

if your kid is "indoctrinated" at school then you're not doing a good enough job parenting.
I'm a teacher. We teach kids how to think not what to think.
And if anyone is actually doing that, believe me, what goes on at home is way more important than school.

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Anonymous wrote:Because they've been demonized their entire lives. Straight male bashing is enough vogue with the Democratic party. Have you been on a college campus recently? They pretty much start new student orientations with the presumption that all males = rapists or rapists in waiting during the gender identity and sexual orientation sensitivity training portion of the program. They spend inordinate amounts of time in schools now trying to indoctrinate them they cis gendered males = bad!

That's pretty much my white college boys experience. He's tired of being seen as the problem. Most of his friends are the same. I also disagree with the trad wife expectation, my kid fully understands the economy and how it operates. It didn't help that his HS experience ended during COVID in FCPS with all the crazy prolonged shut downs.

My white college boy doesn’t feel that at all. His professors are mostly white men and the students in his science classes are majority white men. The place he interned over the summer had a majority white men staff with the leadership being mostly white men. He lives in a state with a white male governor and the majority of politicians in power in that state are white men. As he said to me, I don’t see the effects of male oppression in action here.

That’s because he hangs out largely with rich people and he himself is rich.

Current DEI is largely an anti-labor movement (how many of those identity-obsessed universities would welcome students whose primary identity is “working class,” not a race- or gender-based identity?). So, the wealthy privileged white men are fine. But the much larger population of men is not.

What OP is talking about is actually a class-based issue, but the identity-based philosophy pushed by current elites is specifically designed to break any solidarity between groups that might naturally otherwise ally, weakening labor. That leaves working class and poor men with few options, and so they turn to sympathetic ears such as the Tate brothers.

Are you asserting that the people posting here about their sons who feel oppressed and therefore have turned conservative are from the lower class rather than middle or upper class? I would like to hear from them to confirm this assertion.

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Anonymous wrote:Because they've been demonized their entire lives. Straight male bashing is enough vogue with the Democratic party. Have you been on a college campus recently? They pretty much start new student orientations with the presumption that all males = rapists or rapists in waiting during the gender identity and sexual orientation sensitivity training portion of the program. They spend inordinate amounts of time in schools now trying to indoctrinate them they cis gendered males = bad!

That's pretty much my white college boys experience. He's tired of being seen as the problem. Most of his friends are the same. I also disagree with the trad wife expectation, my kid fully understands the economy and how it operates. It didn't help that his HS experience ended during COVID in FCPS with all the crazy prolonged shut downs.

My white college boy doesn’t feel that at all. His professors are mostly white men and the students in his science classes are majority white men. The place he interned over the summer had a majority white men staff with the leadership being mostly white men. He lives in a state with a white male governor and the majority of politicians in power in that state are white men. As he said to me, I don’t see the effects of male oppression in action here.

That’s because he hangs out largely with rich people and he himself is rich.

Current DEI is largely an anti-labor movement (how many of those identity-obsessed universities would welcome students whose primary identity is “working class,” not a race- or gender-based identity?). So, the wealthy privileged white men are fine. But the much larger population of men is not.

What OP is talking about is actually a class-based issue, but the identity-based philosophy pushed by current elites is specifically designed to break any solidarity between groups that might naturally otherwise ally, weakening labor. That leaves working class and poor men with few options, and so they turn to sympathetic ears such as the Tate brothers.

JD Vance was literally the "white working class Appalachia" DEI admit to Yale Law. So that already proves your premise wrong

Elite universities absolutely love to recruit working class white young men with the scores to get into elite programs. It's like finding a needle in a haystack, unfortunately. Same issue with finding low-income black and Latino kids who have the scores and can handle the culture shock - needle in a haystack.

Why do you think "geographic diversity" exists at elite universities. It mostly benefits white kids from rural states.

You’re out of touch. Sorry. You are just so immersed in your anti-labor elitism that you can’t see it.

LOL I'm literally part of a collective bargaining unit

Your grad student rights organization despises the janitors on campus who clean up after you, so I’d hardly count you as a true supporter of labor. Universities are some of the most anti-labor organizations out there.

[Anonymous]

Young men are demonized by the left. This demonization makes them feel isolated and ideologically adrift. That vacuum is then filled with rightwing or right-leaning ideologues.

You can argue whether that's fair or just, but this is a major factor driving young men to the right.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Because they've been demonized their entire lives. Straight male bashing is enough vogue with the Democratic party. Have you been on a college campus recently? They pretty much start new student orientations with the presumption that all males = rapists or rapists in waiting during the gender identity and sexual orientation sensitivity training portion of the program. They spend inordinate amounts of time in schools now trying to indoctrinate them they cis gendered males = bad!

That's pretty much my white college boys experience. He's tired of being seen as the problem. Most of his friends are the same. I also disagree with the trad wife expectation, my kid fully understands the economy and how it operates. It didn't help that his HS experience ended during COVID in FCPS with all the crazy prolonged shut downs.

My son, my daughter’s boyfriend and their male friends are the opposite. Reading this, I feel proud my husband and I taught ingrained our values, which encourage empathy, respect, resilience and fairness. More importantly, they are all critical thinkers which prevents reactionary and extremist interpretations of the words and actions of others.

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Anonymous wrote:Because they've been demonized their entire lives. Straight male bashing is enough vogue with the Democratic party. Have you been on a college campus recently? They pretty much start new student orientations with the presumption that all males = rapists or rapists in waiting during the gender identity and sexual orientation sensitivity training portion of the program. They spend inordinate amounts of time in schools now trying to indoctrinate them they cis gendered males = bad!

That's pretty much my white college boys experience. He's tired of being seen as the problem. Most of his friends are the same. I also disagree with the trad wife expectation, my kid fully understands the economy and how it operates. It didn't help that his HS experience ended during COVID in FCPS with all the crazy prolonged shut downs.

My white college boy doesn’t feel that at all. His professors are mostly white men and the students in his science classes are majority white men. The place he interned over the summer had a majority white men staff with the leadership being mostly white men. He lives in a state with a white male governor and the majority of politicians in power in that state are white men. As he said to me, I don’t see the effects of male oppression in action here.

That’s because he hangs out largely with rich people and he himself is rich.

Current DEI is largely an anti-labor movement (how many of those identity-obsessed universities would welcome students whose primary identity is “working class,” not a race- or gender-based identity?). So, the wealthy privileged white men are fine. But the much larger population of men is not.

What OP is talking about is actually a class-based issue, but the identity-based philosophy pushed by current elites is specifically designed to break any solidarity between groups that might naturally otherwise ally, weakening labor. That leaves working class and poor men with few options, and so they turn to sympathetic ears such as the Tate brothers.

Are you asserting that the people posting here about their sons who feel oppressed and therefore have turned conservative are from the lower class rather than middle or upper class? I would like to hear from them to confirm this assertion.

My guess is that those posters are likely less well-off than some of the ones who are clutching their expensive pearls about young men being more conservative. The move towards conservativism in young men is largely socioeconomically-based, so it’s reasonable to assume that those posters are less well off.

I mean, whatever. DCUM is gonna DCUM.

[Anonymous]

Here’s what’s happening: in some public schools, teaching isn’t always just about the core subjects like math, reading, or science anymore. Kids are getting exposed to ideas on social or political issues, and it often feels like there’s a “right” way to think about these topics. So if a kid questions what they’re being taught or comes from a family with different views, they can feel like they’re somehow “wrong” or even pressured to fall in line.

It’s also affecting school culture. The students who agree with these ideas are sometimes the ones who fit in, while others who think differently end up on the outside. For boys, it can feel even worse. A lot of them have natural masculine energy, but in some cases, that’s seen as “toxic” or a problem. Instead of being allowed to just be themselves, boys are sometimes taught to tone it down or act in ways that aren’t natural to them. They can feel like they’re being pushed into a mold that doesn’t fit, and it leaves them feeling out of place.

This is exactly why you’re seeing a lot of backlash. Parents and students are starting to speak up because classrooms, which should be places for open debate and discussion, don’t always feel that way anymore. Boys, especially, are feeling left out, like there’s no room for their natural way of being. It’s like they’re being told that just being themselves isn’t okay, and that’s making them feel like they don’t belong in their own schools.

[Anonymous]

OP - your statement that college educated males are more conservative does not align with fact. Education leads to more liberal views in both men and women.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10087825/

[Anonymous]

There’s some really violent and misogynistic material in video games and the internet will quickly take them down dark rabbit holes to radicalize them.

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Conservatives are the counterculture at the moment, progressivism is the establishment.

What a reversal!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It must be weird to learn that a penis doesn’t mean as much these days. Imagine what it’s like to live with a uterus? You don’t even have a say as to what goes in or out of it. Oh wait. Like it’s always been.


Zero tears for the boys. It’s long past time we all behaved with empathy and consideration for everyone.

You're letting your partner walk all over you if you "don't have a say"

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of them were radicalized by GamerGate (look it up) and other related Internet events, and then easily slipped into a sort of sexist, “traditional” Manosphere. Except in the past you would have expected that type of attitude to be rooted in religion, especially evangelical Christianity, and now it’s sort of a weird mishmosh of secular atheists and people who don’t care about religion one way or the other, traditional Catholics, and is lighter on the evangelicalism/fundamentalism of the 90s and 2000s. There are still some, but it’s not the same as the Bush or Tea Party years.

This. They've been brainwashed for the past 10 years by weirdo older men on Youtube, video game chat channels, etc that were funded by billionaire conservatives. Andrew Tate, Prager U, et al explicitly began targeting minor boys with their slanted content.

They literally were indoctrinated to start hating women and "others" when they were 14-15 years old. And no one has really written the true story about this. They didn't target teen girls with this content - just boys.

This, and the pandemic was an accelerant. Spending 2020-2021 in social isolation drove young men to the right for two reasons: First, more extroverted young people could blame Democrats for the pandemic overreach (and I agree it was overreach in retrospect even if it might have seemed the right policy at the time). And second, introverted young men would spend even MORE time going down online rabbit holes.

While that’s true, I detest these young men and boys with every fiber of my being. I’m mixed race and the parent of a good-natured DD; my octogenarian White father and my DH and brother have none of these vile qualities. I detest not only the perennially online element of culture that has seeded this toxicity, but the failed parenting that helped incubate it into flower. We see a lot of it here, and if you run a search on the longer threads regarding school violence from ES through HS, on how to keep boys from ‘falling behind,’ and the like, you see that parenting mores have reemphasized this kind of sociopathic material so that too many young White men are convinced that they have to destroy all girls and women and most POC to feel okay about themselves. It’s multi factorial but parenting failures are also very much to blame.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Conservatives are the counterculture at the moment, progressivism is the establishment.

What a reversal!

It is because progressivism has leaned hard towards totalitarianism, specifically control of speech.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here’s what’s happening: in some public schools, teaching isn’t always just about the core subjects like math, reading, or science anymore. Kids are getting exposed to ideas on social or political issues, and it often feels like there’s a “right” way to think about these topics. So if a kid questions what they’re being taught or comes from a family with different views, they can feel like they’re somehow “wrong” or even pressured to fall in line.

It’s also affecting school culture. The students who agree with these ideas are sometimes the ones who fit in, while others who think differently end up on the outside. For boys, it can feel even worse. A lot of them have natural masculine energy, but in some cases, that’s seen as “toxic” or a problem. Instead of being allowed to just be themselves, boys are sometimes taught to tone it down or act in ways that aren’t natural to them. They can feel like they’re being pushed into a mold that doesn’t fit, and it leaves them feeling out of place.

This is exactly why you’re seeing a lot of backlash. Parents and students are starting to speak up because classrooms, which should be places for open debate and discussion, don’t always feel that way anymore. Boys, especially, are feeling left out, like there’s no room for their natural way of being. It’s like they’re being told that just being themselves isn’t okay, and that’s making them feel like they don’t belong in their own schools.

“My idiot son has terrible MAP scores because classes now involve social-emotional learning concepts.”