Help me understand Republican women in their 30s and 40s

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So Republican women are totally OK with being treated as nothing more than baby factories, as long as dirty brown people don't come across the border to take jobs no American wants.

Got it.

Posts like this make ME want to become a Republican.

—lifelong Dem

Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me that Republican *policy* isn't geared towards denying women (and only women) reproductive freedom. And it's not just abortion - they're going after contraception as well. And the cherry on top is that they are proposing PUNISHMENT for having an abortion.

And spare me the lecture about immigration being a national security issue - if it was truly that, the GOP I used to know would have shut that shit off years ago. But Republicans don't want to solve the issue; it's too valuable to them as a wedge issue for political advantage. It's all dog whistles, and barely disguised ones at that.

The way I see it, any woman of reproductive age who still votes Republican is just like a Log Cabin Republican - willing to trade their entire identity for absolutely nothing.

Are you aware that for most women, abortion is not the only issue they think about? It's clear you're a one-issue voter. Many of us are not. Even those of us who are pro-choice.
DP

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So Republican women are totally OK with being treated as nothing more than baby factories, as long as dirty brown people don't come across the border to take jobs no American wants.

Got it.

Posts like this make ME want to become a Republican.

—lifelong Dem

Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me that Republican *policy* isn't geared towards denying women (and only women) reproductive freedom. And it's not just abortion - they're going after contraception as well. And the cherry on top is that they are proposing PUNISHMENT for having an abortion.

And spare me the lecture about immigration being a national security issue - if it was truly that, the GOP I used to know would have shut that shit off years ago. But Republicans don't want to solve the issue; it's too valuable to them as a wedge issue for political advantage. It's all dog whistles, and barely disguised ones at that.

The way I see it, any woman of reproductive age who still votes Republican is just like a Log Cabin Republican - willing to trade their entire identity for absolutely nothing.

How ‘bout I tell you instead that the holier-than-thou righteousness of the left is extraordinarily unappealing, even to people who pretty much agree with you?

Yuck

Is that what decisions on who to vote for to lead a country are based on? Some lefties somewhere are unappealing, so I'll vote for the guy that thinks it's okay to grab women by their privates, took/hid/actively obstructed efforts to retrieve top secret documents, condones insurructionists and skinheads, and for his party that wants to ban abortions entirely, is looking to restrict or ban contraception, wants to gut civil rights acts, remove protections for air/water/soil pollution, etc.?

Yep, this poster most definitely just wants to pick fights. So tiresome.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So Republican women are totally OK with being treated as nothing more than baby factories, as long as dirty brown people don't come across the border to take jobs no American wants.

Got it.

Posts like this make ME want to become a Republican.

—lifelong Dem

Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me that Republican *policy* isn't geared towards denying women (and only women) reproductive freedom. And it's not just abortion - they're going after contraception as well. And the cherry on top is that they are proposing PUNISHMENT for having an abortion.

And spare me the lecture about immigration being a national security issue - if it was truly that, the GOP I used to know would have shut that shit off years ago. But Republicans don't want to solve the issue; it's too valuable to them as a wedge issue for political advantage. It's all dog whistles, and barely disguised ones at that.

The way I see it, any woman of reproductive age who still votes Republican is just like a Log Cabin Republican - willing to trade their entire identity for absolutely nothing.

I’m with the prior poster. If you want to start a thread on abortion or immigration policy then do so. But it’s pretty idiotic to suggest that these aren’t issues that people disagree about, whether in their 30-40s, men or women. Of course there a pro life women, and women who are more disgusted by the no-limits left when it comes to abortion than they are to the limits in the various GOP states. Of course Republicans believe immigration is a national security issue and that Biden has been a tremendous failure on this issue (the polls reflect this, as does his pathetic recent turn-around on the amnesty executive order while signaling the changes are only until Election Day).

So again, feel free to debate on the issues but don’t act clueless about why some women are Republicans. It’s the same reason that men are - we simply disagree with you. Given your post, on just about everything.

+1000

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pretty simple, I probably disagree with you on every major policy issue from immigration to crime to the Supreme Court. It’s not that complicated.

Exactly. We disagree with you OP. Shocking to you, I know.

Yep, it's weird when people assume based on superficial differences like gender or race that they automatically know how someone should vote.

"If you don't vote for me you aint black". said someone at 1600 Pennsylvania a while back.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am an atheist feminist who is married to a Democrat man. I am independent but leaning more and more conservative these days. Issues where I lean more to the conservative side include: crime, immigration, women’s sex-based rights, ideological capture of elite institutions, education, and free speech.

It is worth recognizing that historically women trend more conservative and more religious than men. I have my own theories about why this has changed over the past several decades.

As much as democrats might believe, abortion in and of itself, does not outweigh all of the issues you listed in the minds of many women. Women who are in their late-30s and 40s aren't focused on abortion as much as they are those issues. On crime, they want to keep their families and communities safe. On women's sex-based rights, if they have girls they want them to have fairness in sports. On ideological capture of elite institutions, they want a good education for their kids that will allow them to get jobs to afford the same lifestyles they grew up with. On education and free speech, they want to have differing viewpoints available, even if they don't agree with them.

I would vote for the two of you PPs. Well said.

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Anonymous wrote:So Republican women are totally OK with being treated as nothing more than baby factories, as long as dirty brown people don't come across the border to take jobs no American wants.

Got it.

Posts like this make ME want to become a Republican.

—lifelong Dem

Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me that Republican *policy* isn't geared towards denying women (and only women) reproductive freedom. And it's not just abortion - they're going after contraception as well. And the cherry on top is that they are proposing PUNISHMENT for having an abortion.

And spare me the lecture about immigration being a national security issue - if it was truly that, the GOP I used to know would have shut that shit off years ago. But Republicans don't want to solve the issue; it's too valuable to them as a wedge issue for political advantage. It's all dog whistles, and barely disguised ones at that.

The way I see it, any woman of reproductive age who still votes Republican is just like a Log Cabin Republican - willing to trade their entire identity for absolutely nothing.

How ‘bout I tell you instead that the holier-than-thou righteousness of the left is extraordinarily unappealing, even to people who pretty much agree with you?

Yuck

Are we not all stuck with these abortion bans because of holier than thou righteousness? Talk about unappealing.

NP- I'm an independent and I don't understand how people are still affiliated considering the disgusting rhetoric and lack of respect of both parties. It's not productive, and really only helps the vilest politicians on both sides to gain traction, and the press/media/social media when people gobble up divisive crap. I'm a reluctant Biden voter, but so tired of people not focusing on what they can agree on to just hurl insults at each other. The reality is most women, including republican women, are pro choice or hold some nuanced view of abortion, opposing bans. None of them will be convinced to vote Biden through ad-hominem attacks.

I don't like ad hominem attacks either, but if the ability to make your own health care decisions is something someone values at all, then how does that person vote in favor of a person and a party that are actively working to take that away? I do not get that.

To be blunt? Some of us don’t sleep around so a need for an abortion is not the driving force in our lives.

Really doubt that this post is made by a woman that has carried pregnancies and birthed babies. Poster after poster is pointing out all the things that go sideways with human reproduction. You just sound ignorant, inexperienced, and aggressively judgy about issues that have zero to do with sleeping around.

How many babies have you birthed? Any miscarriages? Fertility issues? Rapes? Fetal abnormalities?

2 kids
Multiple miscarriages at various stages
Minor age-related fertility isssues
No rapes
No fetal abnormalities

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I find it ironic that all the people crying about bodily autonomy get pissed when someone suggest that maybe women should exercise their bodily autonomy and not sleep around.

Yes there are exceptions but I don't feel the need to be a one issue voter for the exception cases. Plus, most republicans are not taking extreme views of no abortions allowed for health of the mother, so to me that is a total strawman.

So yeah, women can disagree. Shocking. Women who go through the same pregnancy experience can apparently come out with diametrically opposed conclusions about their unborn children. Women disagree on the meaning of bodily autonomy and the expectations of personal responsibility. All very shocking OP, but accept it.

The people who "sleep around" are the ones getting abortions early in their pregnancies when it's still legal (in some states, anyway).

The "exceptions" are women in committed relationships who fully intended to have a baby. Read the story of Amanda Zurawski (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65935189) and then tell me that Republicans are not taking extreme views.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pretty simple, I probably disagree with you on every major policy issue from immigration to crime to the Supreme Court. It’s not that complicated.

Exactly. We disagree with you OP. Shocking to you, I know.

Yep, it's weird when people assume based on superficial differences like gender or race that they automatically know how someone should vote.

"If you don't vote for me you aint black". said someone at 1600 Pennsylvania a while back.

. crickets.......I see

[Anonymous]

OMG. Why is this thread about abortion? THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES. It seems the same posters invariably derail every thread by going on rants about abortion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I find it ironic that all the people crying about bodily autonomy get pissed when someone suggest that maybe women should exercise their bodily autonomy and not sleep around.

Yes there are exceptions but I don't feel the need to be a one issue voter for the exception cases. Plus, most republicans are not taking extreme views of no abortions allowed for health of the mother, so to me that is a total strawman.

So yeah, women can disagree. Shocking. Women who go through the same pregnancy experience can apparently come out with diametrically opposed conclusions about their unborn children. Women disagree on the meaning of bodily autonomy and the expectations of personal responsibility. All very shocking OP, but accept it.

The people who "sleep around" are the ones getting abortions early in their pregnancies when it's still legal (in some states, anyway).

The "exceptions" are women in committed relationships who fully intended to have a baby. Read the story of Amanda Zurawski (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65935189) and then tell me that Republicans are not taking extreme views.

Huge generalizations here.

[Anonymous]

A lot of white women benefit from a patriarchal society OP. They don't want to work, they enjoy being led by men and they don't want to learn about politics and resent women who do. It's not that complicated. ( I 'm white BTW, but left the Midwest and its sexist mindset long ago).

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Anonymous wrote:So Republican women are totally OK with being treated as nothing more than baby factories, as long as dirty brown people don't come across the border to take jobs no American wants.

Got it.

Posts like this make ME want to become a Republican.

—lifelong Dem

Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me that Republican *policy* isn't geared towards denying women (and only women) reproductive freedom. And it's not just abortion - they're going after contraception as well. And the cherry on top is that they are proposing PUNISHMENT for having an abortion.

And spare me the lecture about immigration being a national security issue - if it was truly that, the GOP I used to know would have shut that shit off years ago. But Republicans don't want to solve the issue; it's too valuable to them as a wedge issue for political advantage. It's all dog whistles, and barely disguised ones at that.

The way I see it, any woman of reproductive age who still votes Republican is just like a Log Cabin Republican - willing to trade their entire identity for absolutely nothing.

How ‘bout I tell you instead that the holier-than-thou righteousness of the left is extraordinarily unappealing, even to people who pretty much agree with you?

Yuck

Are we not all stuck with these abortion bans because of holier than thou righteousness? Talk about unappealing.

NP- I'm an independent and I don't understand how people are still affiliated considering the disgusting rhetoric and lack of respect of both parties. It's not productive, and really only helps the vilest politicians on both sides to gain traction, and the press/media/social media when people gobble up divisive crap. I'm a reluctant Biden voter, but so tired of people not focusing on what they can agree on to just hurl insults at each other. The reality is most women, including republican women, are pro choice or hold some nuanced view of abortion, opposing bans. None of them will be convinced to vote Biden through ad-hominem attacks.

I don't like ad hominem attacks either, but if the ability to make your own health care decisions is something someone values at all, then how does that person vote in favor of a person and a party that are actively working to take that away? I do not get that.

To be blunt? Some of us don’t sleep around so a need for an abortion is not the driving force in our lives.

Really doubt that this post is made by a woman that has carried pregnancies and birthed babies. Poster after poster is pointing out all the things that go sideways with human reproduction. You just sound ignorant, inexperienced, and aggressively judgy about issues that have zero to do with sleeping around.

How many babies have you birthed? Any miscarriages? Fertility issues? Rapes? Fetal abnormalities?

2 kids
Multiple miscarriages at various stages
Minor age-related fertility isssues
No rapes
No fetal abnormalities

Well lucky you I guess? Your fertility clinic did not close. You were not impregnated by a rapist. Your pregnancies developed without the fetus having abnormalities.

So all the screw others that are not so fortunate. Guarantee you know some of them but maybe you don't know their reproductive issues because why would they share them with you and have to deal with the judgy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am an atheist feminist who is married to a Democrat man. I am independent but leaning more and more conservative these days. Issues where I lean more to the conservative side include: crime, immigration, women’s sex-based rights, ideological capture of elite institutions, education, and free speech.

It is worth recognizing that historically women trend more conservative and more religious than men. I have my own theories about why this has changed over the past several decades.

I’m an agnostic, feminist, immigrant black woman married to a man who used to be Democrat, but now is an independent. I agree with you 300% on these issues. Democrats have lost the plot completely on the issues you highlight. I also support the Trump tax cuts, see student loan forgiveness as the vote grab and cash transfer to an elite and entitled population that it is, and despise what Democrats and so-called progressives did to schools in the pandemic.

Voting Republican at this point is about the lesser of two absolutely noxious, stinking evils.

NP. I don’t think I agree Republicans are the lesser of two evils at this point, but I do think they are equivalent evils for the reasons you and the PP above list. I’m an atheist feminist who until recently was a staunch Democratic donor and voter.

I will not register Republican but for the first time in my life, I understand why people might.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Young men are becoming more conservative while young women are becoming more liberal.

This becomes problematic during marriage, raising kids, and career. I don’t see that as sustainable.

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