Thoughts on Syracuse?

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Anonymous wrote:Ridiculously expensive for what it is. Anyone who would pay full freight for it has too much money and not enough sense. That's what I think of it.

Why does everyone always bring up how expensive Syracuse is? It's literally the same price as every other private college and University in the US.

I think they are factoring in the cost of the 2 airplanes, 3 buses, and 1 dogsled you need to get from DMV to Syracuse.

NO, they are comparing to the great value of instate schools And if not instate for your family than OOS is still cheaper. I can't fathom paying $85-91K for Syracruse! WHY? You have 4,000 options in the USA. WHY would you spend that kind of money to go there?????

Some have no trouble affording it, apparently. Why drive a BMW when a used Honda will do? Why go to Europe when you can vacation at a local lake? Why go to a Michelin star when you can get your feed on at Maccers?

It's a matter of personal preference, and someone's ability to pay. Not really the mystery you make it.

In this case you’re paying BMW money for a Chevy, paying five star restaurant prices for Applebees, paying Ritz prices for Holiday Inn.

I’m not sure that I agree with this, but why does it matter if some people to choose to pay full price for Syracuse or any other private college if they can afford it? I agree that there are wonderful public options available to most people, but not all decisions are driven by cost or ROI alone. I’m sure that these strident views are serving you well and maybe contributing to your price sensitivity.

It doesn’t matter to me at all that other people do stupid things with their money, but if they stupidly and stridently insist that it’s “worth it” then I am happy to point out that it’s not.

+1 don't care what others do with their money, but this is a forum where people share their opinions.. solicited and otherwise.

Of course, I would never say anything to you to your face.

I don't think Syracuse is a terrible school, but it's not worth that sticker price. If your kid can get in for near to your in state public, then it makes sense. Otherwise, that's a crazy expensive purchase for what it is.

I will say that I did look at this school for DC because it has a specific major that DC is interested in, but I would not pay sticker price for it when the in state public and oos public that is cheaper also have that major.

Yes, you can get just as good an education at a state college as a private college. No one disagrees with that. As for prestige, yes there are some state schools which overall are more prestigious than many private schools.

The idea that the two experiences are equal is preposterous. I can name many opportunities and programs at SU that would be hard to find at a state college, (all of whom are budget crunched). It depends on what you value. It depends on fit. It depends on the program. It depends on what you can afford.

But this argument isn't about Syracuse at all. It's the same effing stupid "public vs private" argument over and over and over again. You can substitute any private college in its place and the argument is just as stupid.

The argument is not stupid because not all private colleges are the same. No, you can’t substitute any private college. A few are worth “big sticker price full pay”. Most aren’t. There are other private colleges that give a much higher discount to parents than Syracuse, and are in much nicer locations to boot. And there are some private colleges that cost as much as Syracuse but have even less prestige or name recognition.

Yes it is stupid. And I can prove it.

List the private colleges which ARE worth it. No need to mention the ivies and other top 20. I bet it is a very small list, so if you feel 98% of the thousands of private colleges are NOT worth it, then it's not about Syracuse per se, is it?

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Anonymous wrote:Ridiculously expensive for what it is. Anyone who would pay full freight for it has too much money and not enough sense. That's what I think of it.

Why does everyone always bring up how expensive Syracuse is? It's literally the same price as every other private college and University in the US.

I think they are factoring in the cost of the 2 airplanes, 3 buses, and 1 dogsled you need to get from DMV to Syracuse.

NO, they are comparing to the great value of instate schools And if not instate for your family than OOS is still cheaper. I can't fathom paying $85-91K for Syracruse! WHY? You have 4,000 options in the USA. WHY would you spend that kind of money to go there?????

Some have no trouble affording it, apparently. Why drive a BMW when a used Honda will do? Why go to Europe when you can vacation at a local lake? Why go to a Michelin star when you can get your feed on at Maccers?

It's a matter of personal preference, and someone's ability to pay. Not really the mystery you make it.

In this case you’re paying BMW money for a Chevy, paying five star restaurant prices for Applebees, paying Ritz prices for Holiday Inn.

I’m not sure that I agree with this, but why does it matter if some people to choose to pay full price for Syracuse or any other private college if they can afford it? I agree that there are wonderful public options available to most people, but not all decisions are driven by cost or ROI alone. I’m sure that these strident views are serving you well and maybe contributing to your price sensitivity.

It doesn’t matter to me at all that other people do stupid things with their money, but if they stupidly and stridently insist that it’s “worth it” then I am happy to point out that it’s not.

+1 don't care what others do with their money, but this is a forum where people share their opinions.. solicited and otherwise.

Of course, I would never say anything to you to your face.

I don't think Syracuse is a terrible school, but it's not worth that sticker price. If your kid can get in for near to your in state public, then it makes sense. Otherwise, that's a crazy expensive purchase for what it is.

I will say that I did look at this school for DC because it has a specific major that DC is interested in, but I would not pay sticker price for it when the in state public and oos public that is cheaper also have that major.

It all depends several factors together such as what are other options, what are their financial situation, how many kids, etc, etc. I personally think majoring in useless stuff is more stupid.

Those other factors really do not matter when looking at whether the school is worth it at that sticker price. Whether you have one or 10 kids, you make $1mil or $100K, that school is not worth $80K/year at face value.

But agree about the useless major.

Value is subjective and relative to individuals.
You can personally think it's stupid for you.

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Anonymous wrote:Ridiculously expensive for what it is. Anyone who would pay full freight for it has too much money and not enough sense. That's what I think of it.

Why does everyone always bring up how expensive Syracuse is? It's literally the same price as every other private college and University in the US.

I think they are factoring in the cost of the 2 airplanes, 3 buses, and 1 dogsled you need to get from DMV to Syracuse.

NO, they are comparing to the great value of instate schools And if not instate for your family than OOS is still cheaper. I can't fathom paying $85-91K for Syracruse! WHY? You have 4,000 options in the USA. WHY would you spend that kind of money to go there?????

Some have no trouble affording it, apparently. Why drive a BMW when a used Honda will do? Why go to Europe when you can vacation at a local lake? Why go to a Michelin star when you can get your feed on at Maccers?

It's a matter of personal preference, and someone's ability to pay. Not really the mystery you make it.

In this case you’re paying BMW money for a Chevy, paying five star restaurant prices for Applebees, paying Ritz prices for Holiday Inn.

I’m not sure that I agree with this, but why does it matter if some people to choose to pay full price for Syracuse or any other private college if they can afford it? I agree that there are wonderful public options available to most people, but not all decisions are driven by cost or ROI alone. I’m sure that these strident views are serving you well and maybe contributing to your price sensitivity.

It doesn’t matter to me at all that other people do stupid things with their money, but if they stupidly and stridently insist that it’s “worth it” then I am happy to point out that it’s not.

+1 don't care what others do with their money, but this is a forum where people share their opinions.. solicited and otherwise.

Of course, I would never say anything to you to your face.

I don't think Syracuse is a terrible school, but it's not worth that sticker price. If your kid can get in for near to your in state public, then it makes sense. Otherwise, that's a crazy expensive purchase for what it is.

I will say that I did look at this school for DC because it has a specific major that DC is interested in, but I would not pay sticker price for it when the in state public and oos public that is cheaper also have that major.

It all depends several factors together such as what are other options, what are their financial situation, how many kids, etc, etc. I personally think majoring in useless stuff is more stupid.

Those other factors really do not matter when looking at whether the school is worth it at that sticker price. Whether you have one or 10 kids, you make $1mil or $100K, that school is not worth $80K/year at face value.

But agree about the useless major.

Value is subjective and relative to individuals.
You can personally think it's stupid for you.

By the way, I'm middle class with 3 kids.
I personally think full pay at Syracuse majoring in journalism is more than stupid, but it's still subjective.

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Anonymous wrote:The average income in Syracuse is about 25K.

Central New York is a really depressing place. People who can leave leave.

- Hamilton grad who loved the school and hated the region

My mom went to Hamilton and also loved it, but calls the area "the armpit of New York."

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Anonymous wrote:Ridiculously expensive for what it is. Anyone who would pay full freight for it has too much money and not enough sense. That's what I think of it.

Why does everyone always bring up how expensive Syracuse is? It's literally the same price as every other private college and University in the US.

I think they are factoring in the cost of the 2 airplanes, 3 buses, and 1 dogsled you need to get from DMV to Syracuse.

NO, they are comparing to the great value of instate schools And if not instate for your family than OOS is still cheaper. I can't fathom paying $85-91K for Syracruse! WHY? You have 4,000 options in the USA. WHY would you spend that kind of money to go there?????

Some have no trouble affording it, apparently. Why drive a BMW when a used Honda will do? Why go to Europe when you can vacation at a local lake? Why go to a Michelin star when you can get your feed on at Maccers?

It's a matter of personal preference, and someone's ability to pay. Not really the mystery you make it.

In this case you’re paying BMW money for a Chevy, paying five star restaurant prices for Applebees, paying Ritz prices for Holiday Inn.

I’m not sure that I agree with this, but why does it matter if some people to choose to pay full price for Syracuse or any other private college if they can afford it? I agree that there are wonderful public options available to most people, but not all decisions are driven by cost or ROI alone. I’m sure that these strident views are serving you well and maybe contributing to your price sensitivity.

It doesn’t matter to me at all that other people do stupid things with their money, but if they stupidly and stridently insist that it’s “worth it” then I am happy to point out that it’s not.

+1 don't care what others do with their money, but this is a forum where people share their opinions.. solicited and otherwise.

Of course, I would never say anything to you to your face.

I don't think Syracuse is a terrible school, but it's not worth that sticker price. If your kid can get in for near to your in state public, then it makes sense. Otherwise, that's a crazy expensive purchase for what it is.

I will say that I did look at this school for DC because it has a specific major that DC is interested in, but I would not pay sticker price for it when the in state public and oos public that is cheaper also have that major.

Yes, you can get just as good an education at a state college as a private college. No one disagrees with that. As for prestige, yes there are some state schools which overall are more prestigious than many private schools.

The idea that the two experiences are equal is preposterous. I can name many opportunities and programs at SU that would be hard to find at a state college, (all of whom are budget crunched). It depends on what you value. It depends on fit. It depends on the program. It depends on what you can afford.

But this argument isn't about Syracuse at all. It's the same effing stupid "public vs private" argument over and over and over again. You can substitute any private college in its place and the argument is just as stupid.

Outside of journalism, name 1

First, FU. I am not here to prove anything to you. Do your own homework you lazy imbecile.

But just for the satisfaction of proving you wrong:

- The Bandier Music Industry program
- The Sony Music paid internship spot (only about 30 colleges have it)
- Nationally ranked student media outlets like WAER, WJPZ, UUTV (yes all colleges have those but they are not all the same, not all broadcast AAA pro baseball teams.)
- Every Newhouse program
- Every Maxwell program (undergrad too)
- Highly funded clubs and student union programs - over 300 (you get what you pay for. Syracuse even has intramural ice hockey, for example)
- Culture, school spirit, athletic programs
- It is an R1 research university. There are 146 of those out of 3,000 colleges (yes, many of those are public)
- #1 Best Public Affairs School, 2024 U.S. News & World Report.
- #1 Best Photojournalism Schools, 2023 College Factual.
- #1 Best Elementary Special Education, 2023 College Factual.
- #2 Information Technology Management, 2022 U.S. News & World Report.
- #3 Best Music Management, 2023 College Factual
- #2-5 Architecture (depending on ranker)

I personally HATE rankings. Syracuse has refused to play the ranking game, at their own peril. Started under Nancy Cantor and continues today.

I am not saying it is the #1 college in the nation. I am saying the idea it is somehow less of a value than other privates is stupid. And I have proved that here.

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Anonymous wrote:Ridiculously expensive for what it is. Anyone who would pay full freight for it has too much money and not enough sense. That's what I think of it.

Why does everyone always bring up how expensive Syracuse is? It's literally the same price as every other private college and University in the US.

I think they are factoring in the cost of the 2 airplanes, 3 buses, and 1 dogsled you need to get from DMV to Syracuse.

NO, they are comparing to the great value of instate schools And if not instate for your family than OOS is still cheaper. I can't fathom paying $85-91K for Syracruse! WHY? You have 4,000 options in the USA. WHY would you spend that kind of money to go there?????

Some have no trouble affording it, apparently. Why drive a BMW when a used Honda will do? Why go to Europe when you can vacation at a local lake? Why go to a Michelin star when you can get your feed on at Maccers?

It's a matter of personal preference, and someone's ability to pay. Not really the mystery you make it.

In this case you’re paying BMW money for a Chevy, paying five star restaurant prices for Applebees, paying Ritz prices for Holiday Inn.

I’m not sure that I agree with this, but why does it matter if some people to choose to pay full price for Syracuse or any other private college if they can afford it? I agree that there are wonderful public options available to most people, but not all decisions are driven by cost or ROI alone. I’m sure that these strident views are serving you well and maybe contributing to your price sensitivity.

It doesn’t matter to me at all that other people do stupid things with their money, but if they stupidly and stridently insist that it’s “worth it” then I am happy to point out that it’s not.

+1 don't care what others do with their money, but this is a forum where people share their opinions.. solicited and otherwise.

Of course, I would never say anything to you to your face.

I don't think Syracuse is a terrible school, but it's not worth that sticker price. If your kid can get in for near to your in state public, then it makes sense. Otherwise, that's a crazy expensive purchase for what it is.

I will say that I did look at this school for DC because it has a specific major that DC is interested in, but I would not pay sticker price for it when the in state public and oos public that is cheaper also have that major.

It all depends several factors together such as what are other options, what are their financial situation, how many kids, etc, etc. I personally think majoring in useless stuff is more stupid.

Those other factors really do not matter when looking at whether the school is worth it at that sticker price. Whether you have one or 10 kids, you make $1mil or $100K, that school is not worth $80K/year at face value.

But agree about the useless major.

Value is subjective and relative to individuals.
You can personally think it's stupid for you.

"Value" based on emotions is subjective.

Hard numbers using ROI is not subjective.

WSJ came out with a study that indicated you'd need to earn atleast $50K for 10 years to get the ROI for an in state public univ. Not hard to do in MD or VA in state.

If you are paying sticker price for SU, it will take you more than 20 years to get the ROI. That's hard numbers.

Whether you think being away from the DC area is worth that extra 10 years you need to get the ROI is a value based on emotions and is subjective.

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Anonymous wrote:Ridiculously expensive for what it is. Anyone who would pay full freight for it has too much money and not enough sense. That's what I think of it.

Why does everyone always bring up how expensive Syracuse is? It's literally the same price as every other private college and University in the US.

I think they are factoring in the cost of the 2 airplanes, 3 buses, and 1 dogsled you need to get from DMV to Syracuse.

NO, they are comparing to the great value of instate schools And if not instate for your family than OOS is still cheaper. I can't fathom paying $85-91K for Syracruse! WHY? You have 4,000 options in the USA. WHY would you spend that kind of money to go there?????

Some have no trouble affording it, apparently. Why drive a BMW when a used Honda will do? Why go to Europe when you can vacation at a local lake? Why go to a Michelin star when you can get your feed on at Maccers?

It's a matter of personal preference, and someone's ability to pay. Not really the mystery you make it.

In this case you’re paying BMW money for a Chevy, paying five star restaurant prices for Applebees, paying Ritz prices for Holiday Inn.

I’m not sure that I agree with this, but why does it matter if some people to choose to pay full price for Syracuse or any other private college if they can afford it? I agree that there are wonderful public options available to most people, but not all decisions are driven by cost or ROI alone. I’m sure that these strident views are serving you well and maybe contributing to your price sensitivity.

It doesn’t matter to me at all that other people do stupid things with their money, but if they stupidly and stridently insist that it’s “worth it” then I am happy to point out that it’s not.

+1 don't care what others do with their money, but this is a forum where people share their opinions.. solicited and otherwise.

Of course, I would never say anything to you to your face.

I don't think Syracuse is a terrible school, but it's not worth that sticker price. If your kid can get in for near to your in state public, then it makes sense. Otherwise, that's a crazy expensive purchase for what it is.

I will say that I did look at this school for DC because it has a specific major that DC is interested in, but I would not pay sticker price for it when the in state public and oos public that is cheaper also have that major.

Yes, you can get just as good an education at a state college as a private college. No one disagrees with that. As for prestige, yes there are some state schools which overall are more prestigious than many private schools.

The idea that the two experiences are equal is preposterous. I can name many opportunities and programs at SU that would be hard to find at a state college, (all of whom are budget crunched). It depends on what you value. It depends on fit. It depends on the program. It depends on what you can afford.

But this argument isn't about Syracuse at all. It's the same effing stupid "public vs private" argument over and over and over again. You can substitute any private college in its place and the argument is just as stupid.

Outside of journalism, name 1

First, FU. I am not here to prove anything to you. Do your own homework you lazy imbecile.

But just for the satisfaction of proving you wrong:

- The Bandier Music Industry program
- The Sony Music paid internship spot (only about 30 colleges have it)
- Nationally ranked student media outlets like WAER, WJPZ, UUTV (yes all colleges have those but they are not all the same, not all broadcast AAA pro baseball teams.)
- Every Newhouse program
- Every Maxwell program (undergrad too)
- Highly funded clubs and student union programs - over 300 (you get what you pay for. Syracuse even has intramural ice hockey, for example)
- Culture, school spirit, athletic programs
- It is an R1 research university. There are 146 of those out of 3,000 colleges (yes, many of those are public)
- #1 Best Public Affairs School, 2024 U.S. News & World Report.
- #1 Best Photojournalism Schools, 2023 College Factual.
- #1 Best Elementary Special Education, 2023 College Factual.
- #2 Information Technology Management, 2022 U.S. News & World Report.
- #3 Best Music Management, 2023 College Factual
- #2-5 Architecture (depending on ranker)

I personally HATE rankings. Syracuse has refused to play the ranking game, at their own peril. Started under Nancy Cantor and continues today.

I am not saying it is the #1 college in the nation. I am saying the idea it is somehow less of a value than other privates is stupid. And I have proved that here.

dp.. it is less valuable than the T10 private, but not all that different to the vast majority of private. Lots of privates have culture, school spirit, athletics... etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Ridiculously expensive for what it is. Anyone who would pay full freight for it has too much money and not enough sense. That's what I think of it.

Why does everyone always bring up how expensive Syracuse is? It's literally the same price as every other private college and University in the US.

I think they are factoring in the cost of the 2 airplanes, 3 buses, and 1 dogsled you need to get from DMV to Syracuse.

NO, they are comparing to the great value of instate schools And if not instate for your family than OOS is still cheaper. I can't fathom paying $85-91K for Syracruse! WHY? You have 4,000 options in the USA. WHY would you spend that kind of money to go there?????

Some have no trouble affording it, apparently. Why drive a BMW when a used Honda will do? Why go to Europe when you can vacation at a local lake? Why go to a Michelin star when you can get your feed on at Maccers?

It's a matter of personal preference, and someone's ability to pay. Not really the mystery you make it.

In this case you’re paying BMW money for a Chevy, paying five star restaurant prices for Applebees, paying Ritz prices for Holiday Inn.

I’m not sure that I agree with this, but why does it matter if some people to choose to pay full price for Syracuse or any other private college if they can afford it? I agree that there are wonderful public options available to most people, but not all decisions are driven by cost or ROI alone. I’m sure that these strident views are serving you well and maybe contributing to your price sensitivity.

It doesn’t matter to me at all that other people do stupid things with their money, but if they stupidly and stridently insist that it’s “worth it” then I am happy to point out that it’s not.

+1 don't care what others do with their money, but this is a forum where people share their opinions.. solicited and otherwise.

Of course, I would never say anything to you to your face.

I don't think Syracuse is a terrible school, but it's not worth that sticker price. If your kid can get in for near to your in state public, then it makes sense. Otherwise, that's a crazy expensive purchase for what it is.

I will say that I did look at this school for DC because it has a specific major that DC is interested in, but I would not pay sticker price for it when the in state public and oos public that is cheaper also have that major.

Yes, you can get just as good an education at a state college as a private college. No one disagrees with that. As for prestige, yes there are some state schools which overall are more prestigious than many private schools.

The idea that the two experiences are equal is preposterous. I can name many opportunities and programs at SU that would be hard to find at a state college, (all of whom are budget crunched). It depends on what you value. It depends on fit. It depends on the program. It depends on what you can afford.

But this argument isn't about Syracuse at all. It's the same effing stupid "public vs private" argument over and over and over again. You can substitute any private college in its place and the argument is just as stupid.

Outside of journalism, name 1

First, FU. I am not here to prove anything to you. Do your own homework you lazy imbecile.

But just for the satisfaction of proving you wrong:

- The Bandier Music Industry program
- The Sony Music paid internship spot (only about 30 colleges have it)
- Nationally ranked student media outlets like WAER, WJPZ, UUTV (yes all colleges have those but they are not all the same, not all broadcast AAA pro baseball teams.)
- Every Newhouse program
- Every Maxwell program (undergrad too)
- Highly funded clubs and student union programs - over 300 (you get what you pay for. Syracuse even has intramural ice hockey, for example)
- Culture, school spirit, athletic programs
- It is an R1 research university. There are 146 of those out of 3,000 colleges (yes, many of those are public)
- #1 Best Public Affairs School, 2024 U.S. News & World Report.
- #1 Best Photojournalism Schools, 2023 College Factual.
- #1 Best Elementary Special Education, 2023 College Factual.
- #2 Information Technology Management, 2022 U.S. News & World Report.
- #3 Best Music Management, 2023 College Factual
- #2-5 Architecture (depending on ranker)

I personally HATE rankings. Syracuse has refused to play the ranking game, at their own peril. Started under Nancy Cantor and continues today.

I am not saying it is the #1 college in the nation. I am saying the idea it is somehow less of a value than other privates is stupid. And I have proved that here.

Great post! Totally agree! Thank you!

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Anonymous wrote:Ridiculously expensive for what it is. Anyone who would pay full freight for it has too much money and not enough sense. That's what I think of it.

Why does everyone always bring up how expensive Syracuse is? It's literally the same price as every other private college and University in the US.

I think they are factoring in the cost of the 2 airplanes, 3 buses, and 1 dogsled you need to get from DMV to Syracuse.

NO, they are comparing to the great value of instate schools And if not instate for your family than OOS is still cheaper. I can't fathom paying $85-91K for Syracruse! WHY? You have 4,000 options in the USA. WHY would you spend that kind of money to go there?????

Some have no trouble affording it, apparently. Why drive a BMW when a used Honda will do? Why go to Europe when you can vacation at a local lake? Why go to a Michelin star when you can get your feed on at Maccers?

It's a matter of personal preference, and someone's ability to pay. Not really the mystery you make it.

In this case you’re paying BMW money for a Chevy, paying five star restaurant prices for Applebees, paying Ritz prices for Holiday Inn.

I’m not sure that I agree with this, but why does it matter if some people to choose to pay full price for Syracuse or any other private college if they can afford it? I agree that there are wonderful public options available to most people, but not all decisions are driven by cost or ROI alone. I’m sure that these strident views are serving you well and maybe contributing to your price sensitivity.

It doesn’t matter to me at all that other people do stupid things with their money, but if they stupidly and stridently insist that it’s “worth it” then I am happy to point out that it’s not.

+1 don't care what others do with their money, but this is a forum where people share their opinions.. solicited and otherwise.

Of course, I would never say anything to you to your face.

I don't think Syracuse is a terrible school, but it's not worth that sticker price. If your kid can get in for near to your in state public, then it makes sense. Otherwise, that's a crazy expensive purchase for what it is.

I will say that I did look at this school for DC because it has a specific major that DC is interested in, but I would not pay sticker price for it when the in state public and oos public that is cheaper also have that major.

Yes, you can get just as good an education at a state college as a private college. No one disagrees with that. As for prestige, yes there are some state schools which overall are more prestigious than many private schools.

The idea that the two experiences are equal is preposterous. I can name many opportunities and programs at SU that would be hard to find at a state college, (all of whom are budget crunched). It depends on what you value. It depends on fit. It depends on the program. It depends on what you can afford.

But this argument isn't about Syracuse at all. It's the same effing stupid "public vs private" argument over and over and over again. You can substitute any private college in its place and the argument is just as stupid.

Outside of journalism, name 1

First, FU. I am not here to prove anything to you. Do your own homework you lazy imbecile.

But just for the satisfaction of proving you wrong:

- The Bandier Music Industry program
- The Sony Music paid internship spot (only about 30 colleges have it)
- Nationally ranked student media outlets like WAER, WJPZ, UUTV (yes all colleges have those but they are not all the same, not all broadcast AAA pro baseball teams.)
- Every Newhouse program
- Every Maxwell program (undergrad too)
- Highly funded clubs and student union programs - over 300 (you get what you pay for. Syracuse even has intramural ice hockey, for example)
- Culture, school spirit, athletic programs
- It is an R1 research university. There are 146 of those out of 3,000 colleges (yes, many of those are public)
- #1 Best Public Affairs School, 2024 U.S. News & World Report.
- #1 Best Photojournalism Schools, 2023 College Factual.
- #1 Best Elementary Special Education, 2023 College Factual.
- #2 Information Technology Management, 2022 U.S. News & World Report.
- #3 Best Music Management, 2023 College Factual
- #2-5 Architecture (depending on ranker)

I personally HATE rankings. Syracuse has refused to play the ranking game, at their own peril. Started under Nancy Cantor and continues today.

I am not saying it is the #1 college in the nation. I am saying the idea it is somehow less of a value than other privates is stupid. And I have proved that here.

dp.. it is less valuable than the T10 private, but not all that different to the vast majority of private. Lots of privates have culture, school spirit, athletics... etc.

You realize that was the point I was making, right? And that I said that several times?

Well, maybe you don't.

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Anonymous wrote:Ridiculously expensive for what it is. Anyone who would pay full freight for it has too much money and not enough sense. That's what I think of it.

Why does everyone always bring up how expensive Syracuse is? It's literally the same price as every other private college and University in the US.

I think they are factoring in the cost of the 2 airplanes, 3 buses, and 1 dogsled you need to get from DMV to Syracuse.

NO, they are comparing to the great value of instate schools And if not instate for your family than OOS is still cheaper. I can't fathom paying $85-91K for Syracruse! WHY? You have 4,000 options in the USA. WHY would you spend that kind of money to go there?????

Some have no trouble affording it, apparently. Why drive a BMW when a used Honda will do? Why go to Europe when you can vacation at a local lake? Why go to a Michelin star when you can get your feed on at Maccers?

It's a matter of personal preference, and someone's ability to pay. Not really the mystery you make it.

In this case you’re paying BMW money for a Chevy, paying five star restaurant prices for Applebees, paying Ritz prices for Holiday Inn.

I’m not sure that I agree with this, but why does it matter if some people to choose to pay full price for Syracuse or any other private college if they can afford it? I agree that there are wonderful public options available to most people, but not all decisions are driven by cost or ROI alone. I’m sure that these strident views are serving you well and maybe contributing to your price sensitivity.

It doesn’t matter to me at all that other people do stupid things with their money, but if they stupidly and stridently insist that it’s “worth it” then I am happy to point out that it’s not.

+1 don't care what others do with their money, but this is a forum where people share their opinions.. solicited and otherwise.

Of course, I would never say anything to you to your face.

I don't think Syracuse is a terrible school, but it's not worth that sticker price. If your kid can get in for near to your in state public, then it makes sense. Otherwise, that's a crazy expensive purchase for what it is.

I will say that I did look at this school for DC because it has a specific major that DC is interested in, but I would not pay sticker price for it when the in state public and oos public that is cheaper also have that major.

Yes, you can get just as good an education at a state college as a private college. No one disagrees with that. As for prestige, yes there are some state schools which overall are more prestigious than many private schools.

The idea that the two experiences are equal is preposterous. I can name many opportunities and programs at SU that would be hard to find at a state college, (all of whom are budget crunched). It depends on what you value. It depends on fit. It depends on the program. It depends on what you can afford.

But this argument isn't about Syracuse at all. It's the same effing stupid "public vs private" argument over and over and over again. You can substitute any private college in its place and the argument is just as stupid.

Outside of journalism, name 1

First, FU. I am not here to prove anything to you. Do your own homework you lazy imbecile.

But just for the satisfaction of proving you wrong:

- The Bandier Music Industry program
- The Sony Music paid internship spot (only about 30 colleges have it)
- Nationally ranked student media outlets like WAER, WJPZ, UUTV (yes all colleges have those but they are not all the same, not all broadcast AAA pro baseball teams.)
- Every Newhouse program
- Every Maxwell program (undergrad too)
- Highly funded clubs and student union programs - over 300 (you get what you pay for. Syracuse even has intramural ice hockey, for example)
- Culture, school spirit, athletic programs
- It is an R1 research university. There are 146 of those out of 3,000 colleges (yes, many of those are public)
- #1 Best Public Affairs School, 2024 U.S. News & World Report.
- #1 Best Photojournalism Schools, 2023 College Factual.
- #1 Best Elementary Special Education, 2023 College Factual.
- #2 Information Technology Management, 2022 U.S. News & World Report.
- #3 Best Music Management, 2023 College Factual
- #2-5 Architecture (depending on ranker)

I personally HATE rankings. Syracuse has refused to play the ranking game, at their own peril. Started under Nancy Cantor and continues today.

I am not saying it is the #1 college in the nation. I am saying the idea it is somehow less of a value than other privates is stupid. And I have proved that here.

dp.. it is less valuable than the T10 private, but not all that different to the vast majority of private. Lots of privates have culture, school spirit, athletics... etc.

You realize that was the point I was making, right? And that I said that several times?

Well, maybe you don't.

Indeed, but we are talking about SU here, and also, those are the privates aren't worth $80K either.

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Anonymous wrote:Ridiculously expensive for what it is. Anyone who would pay full freight for it has too much money and not enough sense. That's what I think of it.

Why does everyone always bring up how expensive Syracuse is? It's literally the same price as every other private college and University in the US.

I think they are factoring in the cost of the 2 airplanes, 3 buses, and 1 dogsled you need to get from DMV to Syracuse.

NO, they are comparing to the great value of instate schools And if not instate for your family than OOS is still cheaper. I can't fathom paying $85-91K for Syracruse! WHY? You have 4,000 options in the USA. WHY would you spend that kind of money to go there?????

Some have no trouble affording it, apparently. Why drive a BMW when a used Honda will do? Why go to Europe when you can vacation at a local lake? Why go to a Michelin star when you can get your feed on at Maccers?

It's a matter of personal preference, and someone's ability to pay. Not really the mystery you make it.

In this case you’re paying BMW money for a Chevy, paying five star restaurant prices for Applebees, paying Ritz prices for Holiday Inn.

I’m not sure that I agree with this, but why does it matter if some people to choose to pay full price for Syracuse or any other private college if they can afford it? I agree that there are wonderful public options available to most people, but not all decisions are driven by cost or ROI alone. I’m sure that these strident views are serving you well and maybe contributing to your price sensitivity.

It doesn’t matter to me at all that other people do stupid things with their money, but if they stupidly and stridently insist that it’s “worth it” then I am happy to point out that it’s not.

+1 don't care what others do with their money, but this is a forum where people share their opinions.. solicited and otherwise.

Of course, I would never say anything to you to your face.

I don't think Syracuse is a terrible school, but it's not worth that sticker price. If your kid can get in for near to your in state public, then it makes sense. Otherwise, that's a crazy expensive purchase for what it is.

I will say that I did look at this school for DC because it has a specific major that DC is interested in, but I would not pay sticker price for it when the in state public and oos public that is cheaper also have that major.

Yes, you can get just as good an education at a state college as a private college. No one disagrees with that. As for prestige, yes there are some state schools which overall are more prestigious than many private schools.

The idea that the two experiences are equal is preposterous. I can name many opportunities and programs at SU that would be hard to find at a state college, (all of whom are budget crunched). It depends on what you value. It depends on fit. It depends on the program. It depends on what you can afford.

But this argument isn't about Syracuse at all. It's the same effing stupid "public vs private" argument over and over and over again. You can substitute any private college in its place and the argument is just as stupid.

Outside of journalism, name 1

First, FU. I am not here to prove anything to you. Do your own homework you lazy imbecile.

But just for the satisfaction of proving you wrong:

- The Bandier Music Industry program
- The Sony Music paid internship spot (only about 30 colleges have it)
- Nationally ranked student media outlets like WAER, WJPZ, UUTV (yes all colleges have those but they are not all the same, not all broadcast AAA pro baseball teams.)
- Every Newhouse program
- Every Maxwell program (undergrad too)
- Highly funded clubs and student union programs - over 300 (you get what you pay for. Syracuse even has intramural ice hockey, for example)
- Culture, school spirit, athletic programs
- It is an R1 research university. There are 146 of those out of 3,000 colleges (yes, many of those are public)
- #1 Best Public Affairs School, 2024 U.S. News & World Report.
- #1 Best Photojournalism Schools, 2023 College Factual.
- #1 Best Elementary Special Education, 2023 College Factual.
- #2 Information Technology Management, 2022 U.S. News & World Report.
- #3 Best Music Management, 2023 College Factual
- #2-5 Architecture (depending on ranker)

I personally HATE rankings. Syracuse has refused to play the ranking game, at their own peril. Started under Nancy Cantor and continues today.

I am not saying it is the #1 college in the nation. I am saying the idea it is somehow less of a value than other privates is stupid. And I have proved that here.

The insecure parent of a kid at Syracuse has entered the chat...

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Anonymous wrote:Ridiculously expensive for what it is. Anyone who would pay full freight for it has too much money and not enough sense. That's what I think of it.

Why does everyone always bring up how expensive Syracuse is? It's literally the same price as every other private college and University in the US.

I think they are factoring in the cost of the 2 airplanes, 3 buses, and 1 dogsled you need to get from DMV to Syracuse.

NO, they are comparing to the great value of instate schools And if not instate for your family than OOS is still cheaper. I can't fathom paying $85-91K for Syracruse! WHY? You have 4,000 options in the USA. WHY would you spend that kind of money to go there?????

Some have no trouble affording it, apparently. Why drive a BMW when a used Honda will do? Why go to Europe when you can vacation at a local lake? Why go to a Michelin star when you can get your feed on at Maccers?

It's a matter of personal preference, and someone's ability to pay. Not really the mystery you make it.

In this case you’re paying BMW money for a Chevy, paying five star restaurant prices for Applebees, paying Ritz prices for Holiday Inn.

I’m not sure that I agree with this, but why does it matter if some people to choose to pay full price for Syracuse or any other private college if they can afford it? I agree that there are wonderful public options available to most people, but not all decisions are driven by cost or ROI alone. I’m sure that these strident views are serving you well and maybe contributing to your price sensitivity.

It doesn’t matter to me at all that other people do stupid things with their money, but if they stupidly and stridently insist that it’s “worth it” then I am happy to point out that it’s not.

+1 don't care what others do with their money, but this is a forum where people share their opinions.. solicited and otherwise.

Of course, I would never say anything to you to your face.

I don't think Syracuse is a terrible school, but it's not worth that sticker price. If your kid can get in for near to your in state public, then it makes sense. Otherwise, that's a crazy expensive purchase for what it is.

I will say that I did look at this school for DC because it has a specific major that DC is interested in, but I would not pay sticker price for it when the in state public and oos public that is cheaper also have that major.

Yes, you can get just as good an education at a state college as a private college. No one disagrees with that. As for prestige, yes there are some state schools which overall are more prestigious than many private schools.

The idea that the two experiences are equal is preposterous. I can name many opportunities and programs at SU that would be hard to find at a state college, (all of whom are budget crunched). It depends on what you value. It depends on fit. It depends on the program. It depends on what you can afford.

But this argument isn't about Syracuse at all. It's the same effing stupid "public vs private" argument over and over and over again. You can substitute any private college in its place and the argument is just as stupid.

Outside of journalism, name 1

First, FU. I am not here to prove anything to you. Do your own homework you lazy imbecile.

But just for the satisfaction of proving you wrong:

- The Bandier Music Industry program
- The Sony Music paid internship spot (only about 30 colleges have it)
- Nationally ranked student media outlets like WAER, WJPZ, UUTV (yes all colleges have those but they are not all the same, not all broadcast AAA pro baseball teams.)
- Every Newhouse program
- Every Maxwell program (undergrad too)
- Highly funded clubs and student union programs - over 300 (you get what you pay for. Syracuse even has intramural ice hockey, for example)
- Culture, school spirit, athletic programs
- It is an R1 research university. There are 146 of those out of 3,000 colleges (yes, many of those are public)
- #1 Best Public Affairs School, 2024 U.S. News & World Report.
- #1 Best Photojournalism Schools, 2023 College Factual.
- #1 Best Elementary Special Education, 2023 College Factual.
- #2 Information Technology Management, 2022 U.S. News & World Report.
- #3 Best Music Management, 2023 College Factual
- #2-5 Architecture (depending on ranker)

I personally HATE rankings. Syracuse has refused to play the ranking game, at their own peril. Started under Nancy Cantor and continues today.

I am not saying it is the #1 college in the nation. I am saying the idea it is somehow less of a value than other privates is stupid. And I have proved that here.

The insecure parent of a kid at Syracuse has entered the chat...

Wrong! Neither of my kids attended.

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Anonymous wrote:Ridiculously expensive for what it is. Anyone who would pay full freight for it has too much money and not enough sense. That's what I think of it.

Why does everyone always bring up how expensive Syracuse is? It's literally the same price as every other private college and University in the US.

I think they are factoring in the cost of the 2 airplanes, 3 buses, and 1 dogsled you need to get from DMV to Syracuse.

NO, they are comparing to the great value of instate schools And if not instate for your family than OOS is still cheaper. I can't fathom paying $85-91K for Syracruse! WHY? You have 4,000 options in the USA. WHY would you spend that kind of money to go there?????

Some have no trouble affording it, apparently. Why drive a BMW when a used Honda will do? Why go to Europe when you can vacation at a local lake? Why go to a Michelin star when you can get your feed on at Maccers?

It's a matter of personal preference, and someone's ability to pay. Not really the mystery you make it.

In this case you’re paying BMW money for a Chevy, paying five star restaurant prices for Applebees, paying Ritz prices for Holiday Inn.

I’m not sure that I agree with this, but why does it matter if some people to choose to pay full price for Syracuse or any other private college if they can afford it? I agree that there are wonderful public options available to most people, but not all decisions are driven by cost or ROI alone. I’m sure that these strident views are serving you well and maybe contributing to your price sensitivity.

It doesn’t matter to me at all that other people do stupid things with their money, but if they stupidly and stridently insist that it’s “worth it” then I am happy to point out that it’s not.

+1 don't care what others do with their money, but this is a forum where people share their opinions.. solicited and otherwise.

Of course, I would never say anything to you to your face.

I don't think Syracuse is a terrible school, but it's not worth that sticker price. If your kid can get in for near to your in state public, then it makes sense. Otherwise, that's a crazy expensive purchase for what it is.

I will say that I did look at this school for DC because it has a specific major that DC is interested in, but I would not pay sticker price for it when the in state public and oos public that is cheaper also have that major.

Yes, you can get just as good an education at a state college as a private college. No one disagrees with that. As for prestige, yes there are some state schools which overall are more prestigious than many private schools.

The idea that the two experiences are equal is preposterous. I can name many opportunities and programs at SU that would be hard to find at a state college, (all of whom are budget crunched). It depends on what you value. It depends on fit. It depends on the program. It depends on what you can afford.

But this argument isn't about Syracuse at all. It's the same effing stupid "public vs private" argument over and over and over again. You can substitute any private college in its place and the argument is just as stupid.

Outside of journalism, name 1

First, FU. I am not here to prove anything to you. Do your own homework you lazy imbecile.

But just for the satisfaction of proving you wrong:

- The Bandier Music Industry program
- The Sony Music paid internship spot (only about 30 colleges have it)
- Nationally ranked student media outlets like WAER, WJPZ, UUTV (yes all colleges have those but they are not all the same, not all broadcast AAA pro baseball teams.)
- Every Newhouse program
- Every Maxwell program (undergrad too)
- Highly funded clubs and student union programs - over 300 (you get what you pay for. Syracuse even has intramural ice hockey, for example)
- Culture, school spirit, athletic programs
- It is an R1 research university. There are 146 of those out of 3,000 colleges (yes, many of those are public)
- #1 Best Public Affairs School, 2024 U.S. News & World Report.
- #1 Best Photojournalism Schools, 2023 College Factual.
- #1 Best Elementary Special Education, 2023 College Factual.
- #2 Information Technology Management, 2022 U.S. News & World Report.
- #3 Best Music Management, 2023 College Factual
- #2-5 Architecture (depending on ranker)

I personally HATE rankings. Syracuse has refused to play the ranking game, at their own peril. Started under Nancy Cantor and continues today.

I am not saying it is the #1 college in the nation. I am saying the idea it is somehow less of a value than other privates is stupid. And I have proved that here.

dp.. it is less valuable than the T10 private, but not all that different to the vast majority of private. Lots of privates have culture, school spirit, athletics... etc.

You realize that was the point I was making, right? And that I said that several times?

Well, maybe you don't.

Indeed, but we are talking about SU here, and also, those are the privates aren't worth $80K either.

So why say "SU isn't worth it", why not say "no privates are worth it" as many here do?

It's a legit opinion, shared by many, although still just an opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:Ridiculously expensive for what it is. Anyone who would pay full freight for it has too much money and not enough sense. That's what I think of it.

Why does everyone always bring up how expensive Syracuse is? It's literally the same price as every other private college and University in the US.

I think they are factoring in the cost of the 2 airplanes, 3 buses, and 1 dogsled you need to get from DMV to Syracuse.

NO, they are comparing to the great value of instate schools And if not instate for your family than OOS is still cheaper. I can't fathom paying $85-91K for Syracruse! WHY? You have 4,000 options in the USA. WHY would you spend that kind of money to go there?????

Some have no trouble affording it, apparently. Why drive a BMW when a used Honda will do? Why go to Europe when you can vacation at a local lake? Why go to a Michelin star when you can get your feed on at Maccers?

It's a matter of personal preference, and someone's ability to pay. Not really the mystery you make it.

In this case you’re paying BMW money for a Chevy, paying five star restaurant prices for Applebees, paying Ritz prices for Holiday Inn.

I’m not sure that I agree with this, but why does it matter if some people to choose to pay full price for Syracuse or any other private college if they can afford it? I agree that there are wonderful public options available to most people, but not all decisions are driven by cost or ROI alone. I’m sure that these strident views are serving you well and maybe contributing to your price sensitivity.

It doesn’t matter to me at all that other people do stupid things with their money, but if they stupidly and stridently insist that it’s “worth it” then I am happy to point out that it’s not.

+1 don't care what others do with their money, but this is a forum where people share their opinions.. solicited and otherwise.

Of course, I would never say anything to you to your face.

I don't think Syracuse is a terrible school, but it's not worth that sticker price. If your kid can get in for near to your in state public, then it makes sense. Otherwise, that's a crazy expensive purchase for what it is.

I will say that I did look at this school for DC because it has a specific major that DC is interested in, but I would not pay sticker price for it when the in state public and oos public that is cheaper also have that major.

Yes, you can get just as good an education at a state college as a private college. No one disagrees with that. As for prestige, yes there are some state schools which overall are more prestigious than many private schools.

The idea that the two experiences are equal is preposterous. I can name many opportunities and programs at SU that would be hard to find at a state college, (all of whom are budget crunched). It depends on what you value. It depends on fit. It depends on the program. It depends on what you can afford.

But this argument isn't about Syracuse at all. It's the same effing stupid "public vs private" argument over and over and over again. You can substitute any private college in its place and the argument is just as stupid.

Outside of journalism, name 1

First, FU. I am not here to prove anything to you. Do your own homework you lazy imbecile.

But just for the satisfaction of proving you wrong:

- The Bandier Music Industry program
- The Sony Music paid internship spot (only about 30 colleges have it)
- Nationally ranked student media outlets like WAER, WJPZ, UUTV (yes all colleges have those but they are not all the same, not all broadcast AAA pro baseball teams.)
- Every Newhouse program
- Every Maxwell program (undergrad too)
- Highly funded clubs and student union programs - over 300 (you get what you pay for. Syracuse even has intramural ice hockey, for example)
- Culture, school spirit, athletic programs
- It is an R1 research university. There are 146 of those out of 3,000 colleges (yes, many of those are public)
- #1 Best Public Affairs School, 2024 U.S. News & World Report.
- #1 Best Photojournalism Schools, 2023 College Factual.
- #1 Best Elementary Special Education, 2023 College Factual.
- #2 Information Technology Management, 2022 U.S. News & World Report.
- #3 Best Music Management, 2023 College Factual
- #2-5 Architecture (depending on ranker)

I personally HATE rankings. Syracuse has refused to play the ranking game, at their own peril. Started under Nancy Cantor and continues today.

I am not saying it is the #1 college in the nation. I am saying the idea it is somehow less of a value than other privates is stupid. And I have proved that here.

dp.. it is less valuable than the T10 private, but not all that different to the vast majority of private. Lots of privates have culture, school spirit, athletics... etc.

You realize that was the point I was making, right? And that I said that several times?

Well, maybe you don't.

Indeed, but we are talking about SU here, and also, those are the privates aren't worth $80K either.

So why say "SU isn't worth it", why not say "no privates are worth it" as many here do?

It's a legit opinion, shared by many, although still just an opinion.

? because this thread is about SU (?)

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Anonymous wrote:Ridiculously expensive for what it is. Anyone who would pay full freight for it has too much money and not enough sense. That's what I think of it.

Why does everyone always bring up how expensive Syracuse is? It's literally the same price as every other private college and University in the US.

I think they are factoring in the cost of the 2 airplanes, 3 buses, and 1 dogsled you need to get from DMV to Syracuse.

NO, they are comparing to the great value of instate schools And if not instate for your family than OOS is still cheaper. I can't fathom paying $85-91K for Syracruse! WHY? You have 4,000 options in the USA. WHY would you spend that kind of money to go there?????

Some have no trouble affording it, apparently. Why drive a BMW when a used Honda will do? Why go to Europe when you can vacation at a local lake? Why go to a Michelin star when you can get your feed on at Maccers?

It's a matter of personal preference, and someone's ability to pay. Not really the mystery you make it.

In this case you’re paying BMW money for a Chevy, paying five star restaurant prices for Applebees, paying Ritz prices for Holiday Inn.

I’m not sure that I agree with this, but why does it matter if some people to choose to pay full price for Syracuse or any other private college if they can afford it? I agree that there are wonderful public options available to most people, but not all decisions are driven by cost or ROI alone. I’m sure that these strident views are serving you well and maybe contributing to your price sensitivity.

It doesn’t matter to me at all that other people do stupid things with their money, but if they stupidly and stridently insist that it’s “worth it” then I am happy to point out that it’s not.

+1 don't care what others do with their money, but this is a forum where people share their opinions.. solicited and otherwise.

Of course, I would never say anything to you to your face.

I don't think Syracuse is a terrible school, but it's not worth that sticker price. If your kid can get in for near to your in state public, then it makes sense. Otherwise, that's a crazy expensive purchase for what it is.

I will say that I did look at this school for DC because it has a specific major that DC is interested in, but I would not pay sticker price for it when the in state public and oos public that is cheaper also have that major.

Yes, you can get just as good an education at a state college as a private college. No one disagrees with that. As for prestige, yes there are some state schools which overall are more prestigious than many private schools.

The idea that the two experiences are equal is preposterous. I can name many opportunities and programs at SU that would be hard to find at a state college, (all of whom are budget crunched). It depends on what you value. It depends on fit. It depends on the program. It depends on what you can afford.

But this argument isn't about Syracuse at all. It's the same effing stupid "public vs private" argument over and over and over again. You can substitute any private college in its place and the argument is just as stupid.

Outside of journalism, name 1

First, FU. I am not here to prove anything to you. Do your own homework you lazy imbecile.

But just for the satisfaction of proving you wrong:

- The Bandier Music Industry program
- The Sony Music paid internship spot (only about 30 colleges have it)
- Nationally ranked student media outlets like WAER, WJPZ, UUTV (yes all colleges have those but they are not all the same, not all broadcast AAA pro baseball teams.)
- Every Newhouse program
- Every Maxwell program (undergrad too)
- Highly funded clubs and student union programs - over 300 (you get what you pay for. Syracuse even has intramural ice hockey, for example)
- Culture, school spirit, athletic programs
- It is an R1 research university. There are 146 of those out of 3,000 colleges (yes, many of those are public)
- #1 Best Public Affairs School, 2024 U.S. News & World Report.
- #1 Best Photojournalism Schools, 2023 College Factual.
- #1 Best Elementary Special Education, 2023 College Factual.
- #2 Information Technology Management, 2022 U.S. News & World Report.
- #3 Best Music Management, 2023 College Factual
- #2-5 Architecture (depending on ranker)

I personally HATE rankings. Syracuse has refused to play the ranking game, at their own peril. Started under Nancy Cantor and continues today.

I am not saying it is the #1 college in the nation. I am saying the idea it is somehow less of a value than other privates is stupid. And I have proved that here.

dp.. it is less valuable than the T10 private, but not all that different to the vast majority of private. Lots of privates have culture, school spirit, athletics... etc.

You realize that was the point I was making, right? And that I said that several times?

Well, maybe you don't.

Indeed, but we are talking about SU here, and also, those are the privates aren't worth $80K either.

So why say "SU isn't worth it", why not say "no privates are worth it" as many here do?

It's a legit opinion, shared by many, although still just an opinion.

? because this thread is about SU (?)

I consider that to be a disingenuous, and possibly dishonest answer.

More likely posters have beef. Specific beef.