Thoughts on Syracuse?

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Anonymous wrote:Ridiculously expensive for what it is. Anyone who would pay full freight for it has too much money and not enough sense. That's what I think of it.

Why does everyone always bring up how expensive Syracuse is? It's literally the same price as every other private college and University in the US.

I think they are factoring in the cost of the 2 airplanes, 3 buses, and 1 dogsled you need to get from DMV to Syracuse.

NO, they are comparing to the great value of instate schools And if not instate for your family than OOS is still cheaper. I can't fathom paying $85-91K for Syracruse! WHY? You have 4,000 options in the USA. WHY would you spend that kind of money to go there?????

Some have no trouble affording it, apparently. Why drive a BMW when a used Honda will do? Why go to Europe when you can vacation at a local lake? Why go to a Michelin star when you can get your feed on at Maccers?

It's a matter of personal preference, and someone's ability to pay. Not really the mystery you make it.

In this case you’re paying BMW money for a Chevy, paying five star restaurant prices for Applebees, paying Ritz prices for Holiday Inn.

I’m not sure that I agree with this, but why does it matter if some people to choose to pay full price for Syracuse or any other private college if they can afford it? I agree that there are wonderful public options available to most people, but not all decisions are driven by cost or ROI alone. I’m sure that these strident views are serving you well and maybe contributing to your price sensitivity.

It doesn’t matter to me at all that other people do stupid things with their money, but if they stupidly and stridently insist that it’s “worth it” then I am happy to point out that it’s not.

+1 don't care what others do with their money, but this is a forum where people share their opinions.. solicited and otherwise.

Of course, I would never say anything to you to your face.

I don't think Syracuse is a terrible school, but it's not worth that sticker price. If your kid can get in for near to your in state public, then it makes sense. Otherwise, that's a crazy expensive purchase for what it is.

I will say that I did look at this school for DC because it has a specific major that DC is interested in, but I would not pay sticker price for it when the in state public and oos public that is cheaper also have that major.

Yes, you can get just as good an education at a state college as a private college. No one disagrees with that. As for prestige, yes there are some state schools which overall are more prestigious than many private schools.

The idea that the two experiences are equal is preposterous. I can name many opportunities and programs at SU that would be hard to find at a state college, (all of whom are budget crunched). It depends on what you value. It depends on fit. It depends on the program. It depends on what you can afford.

But this argument isn't about Syracuse at all. It's the same effing stupid "public vs private" argument over and over and over again. You can substitute any private college in its place and the argument is just as stupid.

Please don’t compare Syracuse to the hundreds of better private school options. Not the same

Please list the "hundreds of better private options", and why.

In advance, I know you won't because you can't.

Depending on your list, SU is in the top 100 but in the 50-100 range, which is bad. Not high enough to be worth full pay, plenty of cheaper publics also in that range.

Which program are you talking about, specifically? Oh, wait, you are not considering that SU accepts by college and major ad the competitiveness varies from ivy-level to majority accepted? Or that they don’t play the ratings game?

I will wait until you can list the “hundreds of better private options” and tell me why. I repeat that you can’t, and that is why you didn’t.

I’m not the “hundreds of better options” PP. Any private in the T30 or even T50 is a better option. Any public in the T50-100 is a better option.

Temple? Rutgers, Camden? I have no connection to Syracuse but I’m pretty sure that I would pony up the difference to avoid those schools.

$30k for Rutgers in-state is a better option than $80k for Syracuse.

$44k for Temple in-state is a better option than $80k for Syracuse.

Again, cheaper options, but you offer no proof they are better. I am a fan of in-state colleges. Just not a fan of bullshit beef rhetoric by anonymous inoramuses..

And if you think Temple is a better college than SU, you are on the crack.

The same prestige for much less money is obviously better, dolt.

Now suddenly temple is “the same” and not better, which just makes it cheaper and not better. (FTR temple is a fine college I have no beef with)

For what feels like the hundredth time:

WHAT ARE THE HUUNDREDS OF BETTER PRIVATE OPTIONS AND WHY?

It’s clear you people can’t answer that question or you would have instead of dodging and straw man-ing like crazy.

Why can’t you get it that the PP who said that hasn’t come back and probably won’t? Nobody cares about this but you. Quit yammering about it.

Then maybe people should stop replying to the posts? Since they "don't care" and this is all anonymous? Or at least say "DP"?

You people greatly amuse me. It's like a Three Stooges short in here.

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Wow! Lots of good information for the OP, me, and my family as we consider Syracuse for our junior. Thanks, everybody, for informing us that:

Syracuse, NY is cold and snowy.

Syracuse is a private university and private schools have a high sticker price.

ROI (making an assumption here based on the ROI evangelist’s comments) should be used exclusively when making a decision on what college to attend, just like purchasing a piece of equipment.

And that (another assumption because it is the only way this comment fits into the conversation) poor ROI, cold weather, lack of prestige compared to T100 publics, etc., caused a Syracuse student to become a whore. Sad.

Absent low self-esteem DCUM posters that disparage any choice they cannot or would not make, I have heard mostly positive feedback on Syracuse from people who attended. If you can afford Syracuse without putting your family at financial risk, then Syracuse seems like a great option. Is it the best college? No. The best value at sticker price? Probably not. A tropical setting? No. Prestigious? Maybe for a few majors. But if you feel it is the school where your student will do best, then pull the trigger and feel good about the decision.

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It is a lovely town however very cold in the winter.

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ROI (making an assumption here based on the ROI evangelist’s comments) should be used exclusively when making a decision on what college to attend, just like purchasing a piece of equipment.

Nobody said that, but enjoy attacking your strawman

Guess you forgot that the OP specifically asked whether Syracuse was "worth it" and that means OP wanted opinions about ROI.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow! Lots of good information for the OP, me, and my family as we consider Syracuse for our junior. Thanks, everybody, for informing us that:

Syracuse, NY is cold and snowy.

Syracuse is a private university and private schools have a high sticker price.

ROI (making an assumption here based on the ROI evangelist’s comments) should be used exclusively when making a decision on what college to attend, just like purchasing a piece of equipment.

And that (another assumption because it is the only way this comment fits into the conversation) poor ROI, cold weather, lack of prestige compared to T100 publics, etc., caused a Syracuse student to become a whore. Sad.

Absent low self-esteem DCUM posters that disparage any choice they cannot or would not make, I have heard mostly positive feedback on Syracuse from people who attended. If you can afford Syracuse without putting your family at financial risk, then Syracuse seems like a great option. Is it the best college? No. The best value at sticker price? Probably not. A tropical setting? No. Prestigious? Maybe for a few majors. But if you feel it is the school where your student will do best, then pull the trigger and feel good about the decision.

What nerve you have posting here with all that logic and reasonable opinions!

Great post, actually. Thread should be over now.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow! Lots of good information for the OP, me, and my family as we consider Syracuse for our junior. Thanks, everybody, for informing us that:

Syracuse, NY is cold and snowy.

Syracuse is a private university and private schools have a high sticker price.

ROI (making an assumption here based on the ROI evangelist’s comments) should be used exclusively when making a decision on what college to attend, just like purchasing a piece of equipment.

And that (another assumption because it is the only way this comment fits into the conversation) poor ROI, cold weather, lack of prestige compared to T100 publics, etc., caused a Syracuse student to become a whore. Sad.

Absent low self-esteem DCUM posters that disparage any choice they cannot or would not make, I have heard mostly positive feedback on Syracuse from people who attended. If you can afford Syracuse without putting your family at financial risk, then Syracuse seems like a great option. Is it the best college? No. The best value at sticker price? Probably not. A tropical setting? No. Prestigious? Maybe for a few majors. But if you feel it is the school where your student will do best, then pull the trigger and feel good about the decision.

What nerve you have posting here with all that logic and reasonable opinions!

Great post, actually. Thread should be over now.

Yes DCUM threads are always improved by misrepresenting arguments and adding dumb restatements of the obvious.

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ROI (making an assumption here based on the ROI evangelist’s comments) should be used exclusively when making a decision on what college to attend, just like purchasing a piece of equipment.

Nobody said that, but enjoy attacking your strawman

Guess you forgot that the OP specifically asked whether Syracuse was "worth it" and that means OP wanted opinions about ROI.

DP. You know that what you typed is 100% incorrect, right? You know that ROI was explicitly mentioned in this thread as well as tacitly? You know that it was often the ONLY item of objection mentioned in the posts. You know we can all go back and see those posts to prove you wrong?

WTF man… are you lazy or intentionally misleading?

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Good Lord, 10 pages for a very well-known school that obviously has some haters and some boosters. Y'all are crazy.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Lots of good info on this thread AND lots of crazy.

I really don’t understand what causes people to be this hostile. With strangers. About a college. 🤷‍♀️

As someone who lives near Syracuse and has been on campus recently with my family for basketball games, I can share two things:

(1) It is definitely a social school with tons of rah-rah school spirit! Not just at the games but the whole vibe surrounding them. Tons of kids walking around campus together, hanging out in and around group houses together (fraternity + non, I think). Some then went to the games, but many did not. Heading back to our car after the game, it was clear tons of kids had just been hanging out while the game was going. To me, it all had a fun, laid-back rah-rah “game day” feel - super appealing, if that’s your thing!

(2) As I said, this was basketball season, so it was obviously WINTER. As in snow on the ground, grey skies, at least two of the games it was actually snowing lightly. And it didn’t seem to matter one bit. Life went on in what seemed to be the best of ways. Unless your kid is truly extra sensitive to cold/grey weather, I wouldn’t worry about it. Kids are resilient and it doesn’t hold them back from campus life. (That said, some kids truly prioritize warmth and sun over many other things. If that’s your kid, I highly recommend Clemson or University of South Carolina instead!)

(3) Back to #1, we have friends whose kids are at Syracuse who are NOT into the sports/game day parties/fraternity scene at all and they love it, too. Remember, this is a BIG school. There are so many different types of kids - more than enough for anyone to find their tribe. Including the less sporty kids. (One of our kid’s friends is looking into the theater/production/arts program - apparently it’s great.)

Agree 100%. This is the vibe.

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Anonymous wrote:Ridiculously expensive for what it is. Anyone who would pay full freight for it has too much money and not enough sense. That's what I think of it.

Why does everyone always bring up how expensive Syracuse is? It's literally the same price as every other private college and University in the US.

I think they are factoring in the cost of the 2 airplanes, 3 buses, and 1 dogsled you need to get from DMV to Syracuse.

NO, they are comparing to the great value of instate schools And if not instate for your family than OOS is still cheaper. I can't fathom paying $85-91K for Syracruse! WHY? You have 4,000 options in the USA. WHY would you spend that kind of money to go there?????

Some have no trouble affording it, apparently. Why drive a BMW when a used Honda will do? Why go to Europe when you can vacation at a local lake? Why go to a Michelin star when you can get your feed on at Maccers?

It's a matter of personal preference, and someone's ability to pay. Not really the mystery you make it.

In this case you’re paying BMW money for a Chevy, paying five star restaurant prices for Applebees, paying Ritz prices for Holiday Inn.

I’m not sure that I agree with this, but why does it matter if some people to choose to pay full price for Syracuse or any other private college if they can afford it? I agree that there are wonderful public options available to most people, but not all decisions are driven by cost or ROI alone. I’m sure that these strident views are serving you well and maybe contributing to your price sensitivity.

It doesn’t matter to me at all that other people do stupid things with their money, but if they stupidly and stridently insist that it’s “worth it” then I am happy to point out that it’s not.

+1 don't care what others do with their money, but this is a forum where people share their opinions.. solicited and otherwise.

Of course, I would never say anything to you to your face.

I don't think Syracuse is a terrible school, but it's not worth that sticker price. If your kid can get in for near to your in state public, then it makes sense. Otherwise, that's a crazy expensive purchase for what it is.

I will say that I did look at this school for DC because it has a specific major that DC is interested in, but I would not pay sticker price for it when the in state public and oos public that is cheaper also have that major.

Yes, you can get just as good an education at a state college as a private college. No one disagrees with that. As for prestige, yes there are some state schools which overall are more prestigious than many private schools.

The idea that the two experiences are equal is preposterous. I can name many opportunities and programs at SU that would be hard to find at a state college, (all of whom are budget crunched). It depends on what you value. It depends on fit. It depends on the program. It depends on what you can afford.

But this argument isn't about Syracuse at all. It's the same effing stupid "public vs private" argument over and over and over again. You can substitute any private college in its place and the argument is just as stupid.

Please don’t compare Syracuse to the hundreds of better private school options. Not the same

Please list the "hundreds of better private options", and why.

In advance, I know you won't because you can't.

Depending on your list, SU is in the top 100 but in the 50-100 range, which is bad. Not high enough to be worth full pay, plenty of cheaper publics also in that range.

Also 50-100 more prestigious SLACs

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Anonymous wrote:Ridiculously expensive for what it is. Anyone who would pay full freight for it has too much money and not enough sense. That's what I think of it.

Why does everyone always bring up how expensive Syracuse is? It's literally the same price as every other private college and University in the US.

I think they are factoring in the cost of the 2 airplanes, 3 buses, and 1 dogsled you need to get from DMV to Syracuse.

NO, they are comparing to the great value of instate schools And if not instate for your family than OOS is still cheaper. I can't fathom paying $85-91K for Syracruse! WHY? You have 4,000 options in the USA. WHY would you spend that kind of money to go there?????

Some have no trouble affording it, apparently. Why drive a BMW when a used Honda will do? Why go to Europe when you can vacation at a local lake? Why go to a Michelin star when you can get your feed on at Maccers?

It's a matter of personal preference, and someone's ability to pay. Not really the mystery you make it.

In this case you’re paying BMW money for a Chevy, paying five star restaurant prices for Applebees, paying Ritz prices for Holiday Inn.

I’m not sure that I agree with this, but why does it matter if some people to choose to pay full price for Syracuse or any other private college if they can afford it? I agree that there are wonderful public options available to most people, but not all decisions are driven by cost or ROI alone. I’m sure that these strident views are serving you well and maybe contributing to your price sensitivity.

It doesn’t matter to me at all that other people do stupid things with their money, but if they stupidly and stridently insist that it’s “worth it” then I am happy to point out that it’s not.

+1 don't care what others do with their money, but this is a forum where people share their opinions.. solicited and otherwise.

Of course, I would never say anything to you to your face.

I don't think Syracuse is a terrible school, but it's not worth that sticker price. If your kid can get in for near to your in state public, then it makes sense. Otherwise, that's a crazy expensive purchase for what it is.

I will say that I did look at this school for DC because it has a specific major that DC is interested in, but I would not pay sticker price for it when the in state public and oos public that is cheaper also have that major.

Yes, you can get just as good an education at a state college as a private college. No one disagrees with that. As for prestige, yes there are some state schools which overall are more prestigious than many private schools.

The idea that the two experiences are equal is preposterous. I can name many opportunities and programs at SU that would be hard to find at a state college, (all of whom are budget crunched). It depends on what you value. It depends on fit. It depends on the program. It depends on what you can afford.

But this argument isn't about Syracuse at all. It's the same effing stupid "public vs private" argument over and over and over again. You can substitute any private college in its place and the argument is just as stupid.

Please don’t compare Syracuse to the hundreds of better private school options. Not the same

Please list the "hundreds of better private options", and why.

In advance, I know you won't because you can't.

Depending on your list, SU is in the top 100 but in the 50-100 range, which is bad. Not high enough to be worth full pay, plenty of cheaper publics also in that range.

Which program are you talking about, specifically? Oh, wait, you are not considering that SU accepts by college and major ad the competitiveness varies from ivy-level to majority accepted? Or that they don’t play the ratings game?

I will wait until you can list the “hundreds of better private options” and tell me why. I repeat that you can’t, and that is why you didn’t.

There are over 100 SLACs alone that have better academics than Syracuse.

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Anonymous wrote:Still waiting for that list with reasons…. But suddenly got quiet in here! Hmmm….

Rank all colleges by 6 yr graduation rate. You’re welcome.

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Anonymous wrote:Ridiculously expensive for what it is. Anyone who would pay full freight for it has too much money and not enough sense. That's what I think of it.

Why does everyone always bring up how expensive Syracuse is? It's literally the same price as every other private college and University in the US.

I think they are factoring in the cost of the 2 airplanes, 3 buses, and 1 dogsled you need to get from DMV to Syracuse.

NO, they are comparing to the great value of instate schools And if not instate for your family than OOS is still cheaper. I can't fathom paying $85-91K for Syracruse! WHY? You have 4,000 options in the USA. WHY would you spend that kind of money to go there?????

Some have no trouble affording it, apparently. Why drive a BMW when a used Honda will do? Why go to Europe when you can vacation at a local lake? Why go to a Michelin star when you can get your feed on at Maccers?

It's a matter of personal preference, and someone's ability to pay. Not really the mystery you make it.

In this case you’re paying BMW money for a Chevy, paying five star restaurant prices for Applebees, paying Ritz prices for Holiday Inn.

I’m not sure that I agree with this, but why does it matter if some people to choose to pay full price for Syracuse or any other private college if they can afford it? I agree that there are wonderful public options available to most people, but not all decisions are driven by cost or ROI alone. I’m sure that these strident views are serving you well and maybe contributing to your price sensitivity.

It doesn’t matter to me at all that other people do stupid things with their money, but if they stupidly and stridently insist that it’s “worth it” then I am happy to point out that it’s not.

+1 don't care what others do with their money, but this is a forum where people share their opinions.. solicited and otherwise.

Of course, I would never say anything to you to your face.

I don't think Syracuse is a terrible school, but it's not worth that sticker price. If your kid can get in for near to your in state public, then it makes sense. Otherwise, that's a crazy expensive purchase for what it is.

I will say that I did look at this school for DC because it has a specific major that DC is interested in, but I would not pay sticker price for it when the in state public and oos public that is cheaper also have that major.

Yes, you can get just as good an education at a state college as a private college. No one disagrees with that. As for prestige, yes there are some state schools which overall are more prestigious than many private schools.

The idea that the two experiences are equal is preposterous. I can name many opportunities and programs at SU that would be hard to find at a state college, (all of whom are budget crunched). It depends on what you value. It depends on fit. It depends on the program. It depends on what you can afford.

But this argument isn't about Syracuse at all. It's the same effing stupid "public vs private" argument over and over and over again. You can substitute any private college in its place and the argument is just as stupid.

Please don’t compare Syracuse to the hundreds of better private school options. Not the same

Please list the "hundreds of better private options", and why.

In advance, I know you won't because you can't.

Depending on your list, SU is in the top 100 but in the 50-100 range, which is bad. Not high enough to be worth full pay, plenty of cheaper publics also in that range.

Which program are you talking about, specifically? Oh, wait, you are not considering that SU accepts by college and major ad the competitiveness varies from ivy-level to majority accepted? Or that they don’t play the ratings game?

I will wait until you can list the “hundreds of better private options” and tell me why. I repeat that you can’t, and that is why you didn’t.

I’m not the “hundreds of better options” PP. Any private in the T30 or even T50 is a better option. Any public in the T50-100 is a better option.

Temple? Rutgers, Camden? I have no connection to Syracuse but I’m pretty sure that I would pony up the difference to avoid those schools.

$30k for Rutgers in-state is a better option than $80k for Syracuse.

$44k for Temple in-state is a better option than $80k for Syracuse.

Again, cheaper options, but you offer no proof they are better. I am a fan of in-state colleges. Just not a fan of bullshit beef rhetoric by anonymous inoramuses..

And if you think Temple is a better college than SU, you are on the crack.

The same prestige for much less money is obviously better, dolt.

Now suddenly temple is “the same” and not better, which just makes it cheaper and not better. (FTR temple is a fine college I have no beef with)

For what feels like the hundredth time:

WHAT ARE THE HUUNDREDS OF BETTER PRIVATE OPTIONS AND WHY?

It’s clear you people can’t answer that question or you would have instead of dodging and straw man-ing like crazy.

Let’s see. Private National Us, SLACs, regionals with better academics easily 150-200.

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Anonymous wrote:Ridiculously expensive for what it is. Anyone who would pay full freight for it has too much money and not enough sense. That's what I think of it.

Why does everyone always bring up how expensive Syracuse is? It's literally the same price as every other private college and University in the US.

I think they are factoring in the cost of the 2 airplanes, 3 buses, and 1 dogsled you need to get from DMV to Syracuse.

NO, they are comparing to the great value of instate schools And if not instate for your family than OOS is still cheaper. I can't fathom paying $85-91K for Syracruse! WHY? You have 4,000 options in the USA. WHY would you spend that kind of money to go there?????

Some have no trouble affording it, apparently. Why drive a BMW when a used Honda will do? Why go to Europe when you can vacation at a local lake? Why go to a Michelin star when you can get your feed on at Maccers?

It's a matter of personal preference, and someone's ability to pay. Not really the mystery you make it.

In this case you’re paying BMW money for a Chevy, paying five star restaurant prices for Applebees, paying Ritz prices for Holiday Inn.

I’m not sure that I agree with this, but why does it matter if some people to choose to pay full price for Syracuse or any other private college if they can afford it? I agree that there are wonderful public options available to most people, but not all decisions are driven by cost or ROI alone. I’m sure that these strident views are serving you well and maybe contributing to your price sensitivity.

It doesn’t matter to me at all that other people do stupid things with their money, but if they stupidly and stridently insist that it’s “worth it” then I am happy to point out that it’s not.

+1 don't care what others do with their money, but this is a forum where people share their opinions.. solicited and otherwise.

Of course, I would never say anything to you to your face.

I don't think Syracuse is a terrible school, but it's not worth that sticker price. If your kid can get in for near to your in state public, then it makes sense. Otherwise, that's a crazy expensive purchase for what it is.

I will say that I did look at this school for DC because it has a specific major that DC is interested in, but I would not pay sticker price for it when the in state public and oos public that is cheaper also have that major.

Yes, you can get just as good an education at a state college as a private college. No one disagrees with that. As for prestige, yes there are some state schools which overall are more prestigious than many private schools.

The idea that the two experiences are equal is preposterous. I can name many opportunities and programs at SU that would be hard to find at a state college, (all of whom are budget crunched). It depends on what you value. It depends on fit. It depends on the program. It depends on what you can afford.

But this argument isn't about Syracuse at all. It's the same effing stupid "public vs private" argument over and over and over again. You can substitute any private college in its place and the argument is just as stupid.

Please don’t compare Syracuse to the hundreds of better private school options. Not the same

Please list the "hundreds of better private options", and why.

In advance, I know you won't because you can't.

Depending on your list, SU is in the top 100 but in the 50-100 range, which is bad. Not high enough to be worth full pay, plenty of cheaper publics also in that range.

Which program are you talking about, specifically? Oh, wait, you are not considering that SU accepts by college and major ad the competitiveness varies from ivy-level to majority accepted? Or that they don’t play the ratings game?

I will wait until you can list the “hundreds of better private options” and tell me why. I repeat that you can’t, and that is why you didn’t.

I’m not the “hundreds of better options” PP. Any private in the T30 or even T50 is a better option. Any public in the T50-100 is a better option.

Temple? Rutgers, Camden? I have no connection to Syracuse but I’m pretty sure that I would pony up the difference to avoid those schools.

$30k for Rutgers in-state is a better option than $80k for Syracuse.

$44k for Temple in-state is a better option than $80k for Syracuse.

Again, cheaper options, but you offer no proof they are better. I am a fan of in-state colleges. Just not a fan of bullshit beef rhetoric by anonymous inoramuses..

And if you think Temple is a better college than SU, you are on the crack.

The same prestige for much less money is obviously better, dolt.

Now suddenly temple is “the same” and not better, which just makes it cheaper and not better. (FTR temple is a fine college I have no beef with)

For what feels like the hundredth time:

WHAT ARE THE HUUNDREDS OF BETTER PRIVATE OPTIONS AND WHY?

It’s clear you people can’t answer that question or you would have instead of dodging and straw man-ing like crazy.

Let’s see. Private National Us, SLACs, regionals with better academics easily 150-200.

What is the evidence they have "better academics"? You have no idea what you are talking about. You can't just make that true by typing it. The evidence is to the contrary. I have to assume you are just trolls, because I don't want to assume you are imbeciles. Or maybe your kid was rejected by Newhouse? Or maybe your kid wanted to go and you couldn't afford it? If it's that, you should not feel bad, those state directionals you COULD afford provide fine bang for the buck.

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Anonymous wrote:The biggest whore I know is a Syracuse alum. That’s all I know.

Ha. We must know the same ho.