Thoughts on Syracuse?

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Anonymous wrote:Ridiculously expensive for what it is. Anyone who would pay full freight for it has too much money and not enough sense. That's what I think of it.

Why does everyone always bring up how expensive Syracuse is? It's literally the same price as every other private college and University in the US.

I think they are factoring in the cost of the 2 airplanes, 3 buses, and 1 dogsled you need to get from DMV to Syracuse.

NO, they are comparing to the great value of instate schools And if not instate for your family than OOS is still cheaper. I can't fathom paying $85-91K for Syracruse! WHY? You have 4,000 options in the USA. WHY would you spend that kind of money to go there?????

Some have no trouble affording it, apparently. Why drive a BMW when a used Honda will do? Why go to Europe when you can vacation at a local lake? Why go to a Michelin star when you can get your feed on at Maccers?

It's a matter of personal preference, and someone's ability to pay. Not really the mystery you make it.

In this case you’re paying BMW money for a Chevy, paying five star restaurant prices for Applebees, paying Ritz prices for Holiday Inn.

I’m not sure that I agree with this, but why does it matter if some people to choose to pay full price for Syracuse or any other private college if they can afford it? I agree that there are wonderful public options available to most people, but not all decisions are driven by cost or ROI alone. I’m sure that these strident views are serving you well and maybe contributing to your price sensitivity.

It doesn’t matter to me at all that other people do stupid things with their money, but if they stupidly and stridently insist that it’s “worth it” then I am happy to point out that it’s not.

+1 don't care what others do with their money, but this is a forum where people share their opinions.. solicited and otherwise.

Of course, I would never say anything to you to your face.

I don't think Syracuse is a terrible school, but it's not worth that sticker price. If your kid can get in for near to your in state public, then it makes sense. Otherwise, that's a crazy expensive purchase for what it is.

I will say that I did look at this school for DC because it has a specific major that DC is interested in, but I would not pay sticker price for it when the in state public and oos public that is cheaper also have that major.

Yes, you can get just as good an education at a state college as a private college. No one disagrees with that. As for prestige, yes there are some state schools which overall are more prestigious than many private schools.

The idea that the two experiences are equal is preposterous. I can name many opportunities and programs at SU that would be hard to find at a state college, (all of whom are budget crunched). It depends on what you value. It depends on fit. It depends on the program. It depends on what you can afford.

But this argument isn't about Syracuse at all. It's the same effing stupid "public vs private" argument over and over and over again. You can substitute any private college in its place and the argument is just as stupid.

Please don’t compare Syracuse to the hundreds of better private school options. Not the same

Please list the "hundreds of better private options", and why.

In advance, I know you won't because you can't.

Depending on your list, SU is in the top 100 but in the 50-100 range, which is bad. Not high enough to be worth full pay, plenty of cheaper publics also in that range.

Which program are you talking about, specifically? Oh, wait, you are not considering that SU accepts by college and major ad the competitiveness varies from ivy-level to majority accepted? Or that they don’t play the ratings game?

I will wait until you can list the “hundreds of better private options” and tell me why. I repeat that you can’t, and that is why you didn’t.

I’m not the “hundreds of better options” PP. Any private in the T30 or even T50 is a better option. Any public in the T50-100 is a better option.

Temple? Rutgers, Camden? I have no connection to Syracuse but I’m pretty sure that I would pony up the difference to avoid those schools.

$30k for Rutgers in-state is a better option than $80k for Syracuse.

$44k for Temple in-state is a better option than $80k for Syracuse.

Again, cheaper options, but you offer no proof they are better. I am a fan of in-state colleges. Just not a fan of bullshit beef rhetoric by anonymous inoramuses..

And if you think Temple is a better college than SU, you are on the crack.

The same prestige for much less money is obviously better, dolt.

Now suddenly temple is “the same” and not better, which just makes it cheaper and not better. (FTR temple is a fine college I have no beef with)

For what feels like the hundredth time:

WHAT ARE THE HUUNDREDS OF BETTER PRIVATE OPTIONS AND WHY?

It’s clear you people can’t answer that question or you would have instead of dodging and straw man-ing like crazy.

Let’s see. Private National Us, SLACs, regionals with better academics easily 150-200.

What is the evidence they have "better academics"? You have no idea what you are talking about. You can't just make that true by typing it. The evidence is to the contrary. I have to assume you are just trolls, because I don't want to assume you are imbeciles. Or maybe your kid was rejected by Newhouse? Or maybe your kid wanted to go and you couldn't afford it? If it's that, you should not feel bad, those state directionals you COULD afford provide fine bang for the buck.

DP how do you measure the academic quality of any school?

If you wanted to claim Syracuse had better academics than (say) Emory & Henry, how would you measure and prove that?

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Anonymous wrote:The biggest whore I know is a Syracuse alum. That’s all I know.

Ha. We must know the same ho.

You probably both know them well. Extremely well.

ps you're both disgusting creeps.

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Anonymous wrote:Ridiculously expensive for what it is. Anyone who would pay full freight for it has too much money and not enough sense. That's what I think of it.

Why does everyone always bring up how expensive Syracuse is? It's literally the same price as every other private college and University in the US.

I think they are factoring in the cost of the 2 airplanes, 3 buses, and 1 dogsled you need to get from DMV to Syracuse.

NO, they are comparing to the great value of instate schools And if not instate for your family than OOS is still cheaper. I can't fathom paying $85-91K for Syracruse! WHY? You have 4,000 options in the USA. WHY would you spend that kind of money to go there?????

Some have no trouble affording it, apparently. Why drive a BMW when a used Honda will do? Why go to Europe when you can vacation at a local lake? Why go to a Michelin star when you can get your feed on at Maccers?

It's a matter of personal preference, and someone's ability to pay. Not really the mystery you make it.

In this case you’re paying BMW money for a Chevy, paying five star restaurant prices for Applebees, paying Ritz prices for Holiday Inn.

I’m not sure that I agree with this, but why does it matter if some people to choose to pay full price for Syracuse or any other private college if they can afford it? I agree that there are wonderful public options available to most people, but not all decisions are driven by cost or ROI alone. I’m sure that these strident views are serving you well and maybe contributing to your price sensitivity.

It doesn’t matter to me at all that other people do stupid things with their money, but if they stupidly and stridently insist that it’s “worth it” then I am happy to point out that it’s not.

+1 don't care what others do with their money, but this is a forum where people share their opinions.. solicited and otherwise.

Of course, I would never say anything to you to your face.

I don't think Syracuse is a terrible school, but it's not worth that sticker price. If your kid can get in for near to your in state public, then it makes sense. Otherwise, that's a crazy expensive purchase for what it is.

I will say that I did look at this school for DC because it has a specific major that DC is interested in, but I would not pay sticker price for it when the in state public and oos public that is cheaper also have that major.

Yes, you can get just as good an education at a state college as a private college. No one disagrees with that. As for prestige, yes there are some state schools which overall are more prestigious than many private schools.

The idea that the two experiences are equal is preposterous. I can name many opportunities and programs at SU that would be hard to find at a state college, (all of whom are budget crunched). It depends on what you value. It depends on fit. It depends on the program. It depends on what you can afford.

But this argument isn't about Syracuse at all. It's the same effing stupid "public vs private" argument over and over and over again. You can substitute any private college in its place and the argument is just as stupid.

Please don’t compare Syracuse to the hundreds of better private school options. Not the same

Please list the "hundreds of better private options", and why.

In advance, I know you won't because you can't.

Depending on your list, SU is in the top 100 but in the 50-100 range, which is bad. Not high enough to be worth full pay, plenty of cheaper publics also in that range.

Which program are you talking about, specifically? Oh, wait, you are not considering that SU accepts by college and major ad the competitiveness varies from ivy-level to majority accepted? Or that they don’t play the ratings game?

I will wait until you can list the “hundreds of better private options” and tell me why. I repeat that you can’t, and that is why you didn’t.

I’m not the “hundreds of better options” PP. Any private in the T30 or even T50 is a better option. Any public in the T50-100 is a better option.

Temple? Rutgers, Camden? I have no connection to Syracuse but I’m pretty sure that I would pony up the difference to avoid those schools.

$30k for Rutgers in-state is a better option than $80k for Syracuse.

$44k for Temple in-state is a better option than $80k for Syracuse.

Again, cheaper options, but you offer no proof they are better. I am a fan of in-state colleges. Just not a fan of bullshit beef rhetoric by anonymous inoramuses..

And if you think Temple is a better college than SU, you are on the crack.

The same prestige for much less money is obviously better, dolt.

Now suddenly temple is “the same” and not better, which just makes it cheaper and not better. (FTR temple is a fine college I have no beef with)

For what feels like the hundredth time:

WHAT ARE THE HUUNDREDS OF BETTER PRIVATE OPTIONS AND WHY?

It’s clear you people can’t answer that question or you would have instead of dodging and straw man-ing like crazy.

Let’s see. Private National Us, SLACs, regionals with better academics easily 150-200.

What is the evidence they have "better academics"? You have no idea what you are talking about. You can't just make that true by typing it. The evidence is to the contrary. I have to assume you are just trolls, because I don't want to assume you are imbeciles. Or maybe your kid was rejected by Newhouse? Or maybe your kid wanted to go and you couldn't afford it? If it's that, you should not feel bad, those state directionals you COULD afford provide fine bang for the buck.

DP how do you measure the academic quality of any school?

If you wanted to claim Syracuse had better academics than (say) Emory & Henry, how would you measure and prove that?

Before I show you how, let me point out the irony of you making a claim you admit you cannot demonstrate.

Second I will point out the post at 05/31/2024 11:54 which lists rankings that include academic peer rankings (partial repost):

- Newhouse
- It is an R1 research university. There are 146 of those out of 3,000 colleges (yes, many of those are public, but I don't think any are directionals)
- #1 Best Public Affairs School - Maxwell, 2024 U.S. News & World Report.
- #1 Best Photojournalism Schools, 2023 College Factual.
- #1 Best Elementary Special Education, 2023 College Factual.
- #2 Information Technology Management, 2022 U.S. News & World Report.
- #3 Best Music Management, 2023 College Factual
- #2-5 Architecture (depending on ranker)

Now it is your turn to beat those things with information about a state directional that is "better". I don't think you can, and if you don't then that will be evidence to that point.

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Different private schools have different levels of rigor in their academics -syracuse is not known for being particularly academic outside of a few majors which are viewed as very good - but a general liberal arts type BA is not among them. The law school is also viewed as solid in NY state. No one is confusing Syracuse with Hopkins. Don't know why that is offensive to anyone.

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Anonymous wrote:Ridiculously expensive for what it is. Anyone who would pay full freight for it has too much money and not enough sense. That's what I think of it.

Why does everyone always bring up how expensive Syracuse is? It's literally the same price as every other private college and University in the US.

I think they are factoring in the cost of the 2 airplanes, 3 buses, and 1 dogsled you need to get from DMV to Syracuse.

NO, they are comparing to the great value of instate schools And if not instate for your family than OOS is still cheaper. I can't fathom paying $85-91K for Syracruse! WHY? You have 4,000 options in the USA. WHY would you spend that kind of money to go there?????

Some have no trouble affording it, apparently. Why drive a BMW when a used Honda will do? Why go to Europe when you can vacation at a local lake? Why go to a Michelin star when you can get your feed on at Maccers?

It's a matter of personal preference, and someone's ability to pay. Not really the mystery you make it.

In this case you’re paying BMW money for a Chevy, paying five star restaurant prices for Applebees, paying Ritz prices for Holiday Inn.

I’m not sure that I agree with this, but why does it matter if some people to choose to pay full price for Syracuse or any other private college if they can afford it? I agree that there are wonderful public options available to most people, but not all decisions are driven by cost or ROI alone. I’m sure that these strident views are serving you well and maybe contributing to your price sensitivity.

It doesn’t matter to me at all that other people do stupid things with their money, but if they stupidly and stridently insist that it’s “worth it” then I am happy to point out that it’s not.

+1 don't care what others do with their money, but this is a forum where people share their opinions.. solicited and otherwise.

Of course, I would never say anything to you to your face.

I don't think Syracuse is a terrible school, but it's not worth that sticker price. If your kid can get in for near to your in state public, then it makes sense. Otherwise, that's a crazy expensive purchase for what it is.

I will say that I did look at this school for DC because it has a specific major that DC is interested in, but I would not pay sticker price for it when the in state public and oos public that is cheaper also have that major.

Yes, you can get just as good an education at a state college as a private college. No one disagrees with that. As for prestige, yes there are some state schools which overall are more prestigious than many private schools.

The idea that the two experiences are equal is preposterous. I can name many opportunities and programs at SU that would be hard to find at a state college, (all of whom are budget crunched). It depends on what you value. It depends on fit. It depends on the program. It depends on what you can afford.

But this argument isn't about Syracuse at all. It's the same effing stupid "public vs private" argument over and over and over again. You can substitute any private college in its place and the argument is just as stupid.

Please don’t compare Syracuse to the hundreds of better private school options. Not the same

Please list the "hundreds of better private options", and why.

In advance, I know you won't because you can't.

Depending on your list, SU is in the top 100 but in the 50-100 range, which is bad. Not high enough to be worth full pay, plenty of cheaper publics also in that range.

Which program are you talking about, specifically? Oh, wait, you are not considering that SU accepts by college and major ad the competitiveness varies from ivy-level to majority accepted? Or that they don’t play the ratings game?

I will wait until you can list the “hundreds of better private options” and tell me why. I repeat that you can’t, and that is why you didn’t.

I’m not the “hundreds of better options” PP. Any private in the T30 or even T50 is a better option. Any public in the T50-100 is a better option.

Temple? Rutgers, Camden? I have no connection to Syracuse but I’m pretty sure that I would pony up the difference to avoid those schools.

$30k for Rutgers in-state is a better option than $80k for Syracuse.

$44k for Temple in-state is a better option than $80k for Syracuse.

Again, cheaper options, but you offer no proof they are better. I am a fan of in-state colleges. Just not a fan of bullshit beef rhetoric by anonymous inoramuses..

And if you think Temple is a better college than SU, you are on the crack.

The same prestige for much less money is obviously better, dolt.

Now suddenly temple is “the same” and not better, which just makes it cheaper and not better. (FTR temple is a fine college I have no beef with)

For what feels like the hundredth time:

WHAT ARE THE HUUNDREDS OF BETTER PRIVATE OPTIONS AND WHY?

It’s clear you people can’t answer that question or you would have instead of dodging and straw man-ing like crazy.

Let’s see. Private National Us, SLACs, regionals with better academics easily 150-200.

What is the evidence they have "better academics"? You have no idea what you are talking about. You can't just make that true by typing it. The evidence is to the contrary. I have to assume you are just trolls, because I don't want to assume you are imbeciles. Or maybe your kid was rejected by Newhouse? Or maybe your kid wanted to go and you couldn't afford it? If it's that, you should not feel bad, those state directionals you COULD afford provide fine bang for the buck.

A lot of words- generally 6 year grad rate is a good proxy for undergrad academics. You’re welcome.

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Anonymous wrote:Ridiculously expensive for what it is. Anyone who would pay full freight for it has too much money and not enough sense. That's what I think of it.

Why does everyone always bring up how expensive Syracuse is? It's literally the same price as every other private college and University in the US.

I think they are factoring in the cost of the 2 airplanes, 3 buses, and 1 dogsled you need to get from DMV to Syracuse.

NO, they are comparing to the great value of instate schools And if not instate for your family than OOS is still cheaper. I can't fathom paying $85-91K for Syracruse! WHY? You have 4,000 options in the USA. WHY would you spend that kind of money to go there?????

Some have no trouble affording it, apparently. Why drive a BMW when a used Honda will do? Why go to Europe when you can vacation at a local lake? Why go to a Michelin star when you can get your feed on at Maccers?

It's a matter of personal preference, and someone's ability to pay. Not really the mystery you make it.

In this case you’re paying BMW money for a Chevy, paying five star restaurant prices for Applebees, paying Ritz prices for Holiday Inn.

I’m not sure that I agree with this, but why does it matter if some people to choose to pay full price for Syracuse or any other private college if they can afford it? I agree that there are wonderful public options available to most people, but not all decisions are driven by cost or ROI alone. I’m sure that these strident views are serving you well and maybe contributing to your price sensitivity.

It doesn’t matter to me at all that other people do stupid things with their money, but if they stupidly and stridently insist that it’s “worth it” then I am happy to point out that it’s not.

+1 don't care what others do with their money, but this is a forum where people share their opinions.. solicited and otherwise.

Of course, I would never say anything to you to your face.

I don't think Syracuse is a terrible school, but it's not worth that sticker price. If your kid can get in for near to your in state public, then it makes sense. Otherwise, that's a crazy expensive purchase for what it is.

I will say that I did look at this school for DC because it has a specific major that DC is interested in, but I would not pay sticker price for it when the in state public and oos public that is cheaper also have that major.

Yes, you can get just as good an education at a state college as a private college. No one disagrees with that. As for prestige, yes there are some state schools which overall are more prestigious than many private schools.

The idea that the two experiences are equal is preposterous. I can name many opportunities and programs at SU that would be hard to find at a state college, (all of whom are budget crunched). It depends on what you value. It depends on fit. It depends on the program. It depends on what you can afford.

But this argument isn't about Syracuse at all. It's the same effing stupid "public vs private" argument over and over and over again. You can substitute any private college in its place and the argument is just as stupid.

Please don’t compare Syracuse to the hundreds of better private school options. Not the same

Please list the "hundreds of better private options", and why.

In advance, I know you won't because you can't.

Depending on your list, SU is in the top 100 but in the 50-100 range, which is bad. Not high enough to be worth full pay, plenty of cheaper publics also in that range.

Which program are you talking about, specifically? Oh, wait, you are not considering that SU accepts by college and major ad the competitiveness varies from ivy-level to majority accepted? Or that they don’t play the ratings game?

I will wait until you can list the “hundreds of better private options” and tell me why. I repeat that you can’t, and that is why you didn’t.

I’m not the “hundreds of better options” PP. Any private in the T30 or even T50 is a better option. Any public in the T50-100 is a better option.

Temple? Rutgers, Camden? I have no connection to Syracuse but I’m pretty sure that I would pony up the difference to avoid those schools.

$30k for Rutgers in-state is a better option than $80k for Syracuse.

$44k for Temple in-state is a better option than $80k for Syracuse.

Again, cheaper options, but you offer no proof they are better. I am a fan of in-state colleges. Just not a fan of bullshit beef rhetoric by anonymous inoramuses..

And if you think Temple is a better college than SU, you are on the crack.

The same prestige for much less money is obviously better, dolt.

Now suddenly temple is “the same” and not better, which just makes it cheaper and not better. (FTR temple is a fine college I have no beef with)

For what feels like the hundredth time:

WHAT ARE THE HUUNDREDS OF BETTER PRIVATE OPTIONS AND WHY?

It’s clear you people can’t answer that question or you would have instead of dodging and straw man-ing like crazy.

Let’s see. Private National Us, SLACs, regionals with better academics easily 150-200.

What is the evidence they have "better academics"? You have no idea what you are talking about. You can't just make that true by typing it. The evidence is to the contrary. I have to assume you are just trolls, because I don't want to assume you are imbeciles. Or maybe your kid was rejected by Newhouse? Or maybe your kid wanted to go and you couldn't afford it? If it's that, you should not feel bad, those state directionals you COULD afford provide fine bang for the buck.

DP how do you measure the academic quality of any school?

If you wanted to claim Syracuse had better academics than (say) Emory & Henry, how would you measure and prove that?

Before I show you how, let me point out the irony of you making a claim you admit you cannot demonstrate.

Second I will point out the post at 05/31/2024 11:54 which lists rankings that include academic peer rankings (partial repost):

- Newhouse
- It is an R1 research university. There are 146 of those out of 3,000 colleges (yes, many of those are public, but I don't think any are directionals)
- #1 Best Public Affairs School - Maxwell, 2024 U.S. News & World Report.
- #1 Best Photojournalism Schools, 2023 College Factual.
- #1 Best Elementary Special Education, 2023 College Factual.
- #2 Information Technology Management, 2022 U.S. News & World Report.
- #3 Best Music Management, 2023 College Factual
- #2-5 Architecture (depending on ranker)

Now it is your turn to beat those things with information about a state directional that is "better". I don't think you can, and if you don't then that will be evidence to that point.

Tareltpn U has the best landscape architecture. Also US News also tells you 6 year grad rates%

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Anonymous wrote:Ridiculously expensive for what it is. Anyone who would pay full freight for it has too much money and not enough sense. That's what I think of it.

Why does everyone always bring up how expensive Syracuse is? It's literally the same price as every other private college and University in the US.

I think they are factoring in the cost of the 2 airplanes, 3 buses, and 1 dogsled you need to get from DMV to Syracuse.

NO, they are comparing to the great value of instate schools And if not instate for your family than OOS is still cheaper. I can't fathom paying $85-91K for Syracruse! WHY? You have 4,000 options in the USA. WHY would you spend that kind of money to go there?????

Some have no trouble affording it, apparently. Why drive a BMW when a used Honda will do? Why go to Europe when you can vacation at a local lake? Why go to a Michelin star when you can get your feed on at Maccers?

It's a matter of personal preference, and someone's ability to pay. Not really the mystery you make it.

In this case you’re paying BMW money for a Chevy, paying five star restaurant prices for Applebees, paying Ritz prices for Holiday Inn.

I’m not sure that I agree with this, but why does it matter if some people to choose to pay full price for Syracuse or any other private college if they can afford it? I agree that there are wonderful public options available to most people, but not all decisions are driven by cost or ROI alone. I’m sure that these strident views are serving you well and maybe contributing to your price sensitivity.

It doesn’t matter to me at all that other people do stupid things with their money, but if they stupidly and stridently insist that it’s “worth it” then I am happy to point out that it’s not.

+1 don't care what others do with their money, but this is a forum where people share their opinions.. solicited and otherwise.

Of course, I would never say anything to you to your face.

I don't think Syracuse is a terrible school, but it's not worth that sticker price. If your kid can get in for near to your in state public, then it makes sense. Otherwise, that's a crazy expensive purchase for what it is.

I will say that I did look at this school for DC because it has a specific major that DC is interested in, but I would not pay sticker price for it when the in state public and oos public that is cheaper also have that major.

Yes, you can get just as good an education at a state college as a private college. No one disagrees with that. As for prestige, yes there are some state schools which overall are more prestigious than many private schools.

The idea that the two experiences are equal is preposterous. I can name many opportunities and programs at SU that would be hard to find at a state college, (all of whom are budget crunched). It depends on what you value. It depends on fit. It depends on the program. It depends on what you can afford.

But this argument isn't about Syracuse at all. It's the same effing stupid "public vs private" argument over and over and over again. You can substitute any private college in its place and the argument is just as stupid.

Please don’t compare Syracuse to the hundreds of better private school options. Not the same

Please list the "hundreds of better private options", and why.

In advance, I know you won't because you can't.

Depending on your list, SU is in the top 100 but in the 50-100 range, which is bad. Not high enough to be worth full pay, plenty of cheaper publics also in that range.

Which program are you talking about, specifically? Oh, wait, you are not considering that SU accepts by college and major ad the competitiveness varies from ivy-level to majority accepted? Or that they don’t play the ratings game?

I will wait until you can list the “hundreds of better private options” and tell me why. I repeat that you can’t, and that is why you didn’t.

I’m not the “hundreds of better options” PP. Any private in the T30 or even T50 is a better option. Any public in the T50-100 is a better option.

Temple? Rutgers, Camden? I have no connection to Syracuse but I’m pretty sure that I would pony up the difference to avoid those schools.

$30k for Rutgers in-state is a better option than $80k for Syracuse.

$44k for Temple in-state is a better option than $80k for Syracuse.

Again, cheaper options, but you offer no proof they are better. I am a fan of in-state colleges. Just not a fan of bullshit beef rhetoric by anonymous inoramuses..

And if you think Temple is a better college than SU, you are on the crack.

The same prestige for much less money is obviously better, dolt.

Now suddenly temple is “the same” and not better, which just makes it cheaper and not better. (FTR temple is a fine college I have no beef with)

For what feels like the hundredth time:

WHAT ARE THE HUUNDREDS OF BETTER PRIVATE OPTIONS AND WHY?

It’s clear you people can’t answer that question or you would have instead of dodging and straw man-ing like crazy.

Let’s see. Private National Us, SLACs, regionals with better academics easily 150-200.

What is the evidence they have "better academics"? You have no idea what you are talking about. You can't just make that true by typing it. The evidence is to the contrary. I have to assume you are just trolls, because I don't want to assume you are imbeciles. Or maybe your kid was rejected by Newhouse? Or maybe your kid wanted to go and you couldn't afford it? If it's that, you should not feel bad, those state directionals you COULD afford provide fine bang for the buck.

DP how do you measure the academic quality of any school?

If you wanted to claim Syracuse had better academics than (say) Emory & Henry, how would you measure and prove that?

Before I show you how, let me point out the irony of you making a claim you admit you cannot demonstrate.

Second I will point out the post at 05/31/2024 11:54 which lists rankings that include academic peer rankings (partial repost):

- Newhouse
- It is an R1 research university. There are 146 of those out of 3,000 colleges (yes, many of those are public, but I don't think any are directionals)
- #1 Best Public Affairs School - Maxwell, 2024 U.S. News & World Report.
- #1 Best Photojournalism Schools, 2023 College Factual.
- #1 Best Elementary Special Education, 2023 College Factual.
- #2 Information Technology Management, 2022 U.S. News & World Report.
- #3 Best Music Management, 2023 College Factual
- #2-5 Architecture (depending on ranker)

Now it is your turn to beat those things with information about a state directional that is "better". I don't think you can, and if you don't then that will be evidence to that point.

You're talking to a different PP than me. I'm not the one saying state directionals or any other private schools are better. I was curious about your metrics for "better academic quality". I'm not sure "academic peer rankings" are very convincing. How exactly do professors know anything about the academic quality of other universities?

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Syracuse has been on the decline for the past couple of decades.

Look at the number of applications. Schools in a much better environment like BU, Northeastern, Miami, Wake see their applications surging.

So Syracuse's problem is really one that can't be solved.

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Why does everyone always bring up how expensive Syracuse is? It's literally the same price as every other private college and University in the US.

I think they are factoring in the cost of the 2 airplanes, 3 buses, and 1 dogsled you need to get from DMV to Syracuse.

NO, they are comparing to the great value of instate schools And if not instate for your family than OOS is still cheaper. I can't fathom paying $85-91K for Syracruse! WHY? You have 4,000 options in the USA. WHY would you spend that kind of money to go there?????

Some have no trouble affording it, apparently. Why drive a BMW when a used Honda will do? Why go to Europe when you can vacation at a local lake? Why go to a Michelin star when you can get your feed on at Maccers?

It's a matter of personal preference, and someone's ability to pay. Not really the mystery you make it.

In this case you’re paying BMW money for a Chevy, paying five star restaurant prices for Applebees, paying Ritz prices for Holiday Inn.

I’m not sure that I agree with this, but why does it matter if some people to choose to pay full price for Syracuse or any other private college if they can afford it? I agree that there are wonderful public options available to most people, but not all decisions are driven by cost or ROI alone. I’m sure that these strident views are serving you well and maybe contributing to your price sensitivity.

It doesn’t matter to me at all that other people do stupid things with their money, but if they stupidly and stridently insist that it’s “worth it” then I am happy to point out that it’s not.

+1 don't care what others do with their money, but this is a forum where people share their opinions.. solicited and otherwise.

Of course, I would never say anything to you to your face.

I don't think Syracuse is a terrible school, but it's not worth that sticker price. If your kid can get in for near to your in state public, then it makes sense. Otherwise, that's a crazy expensive purchase for what it is.

I will say that I did look at this school for DC because it has a specific major that DC is interested in, but I would not pay sticker price for it when the in state public and oos public that is cheaper also have that major.

Yes, you can get just as good an education at a state college as a private college. No one disagrees with that. As for prestige, yes there are some state schools which overall are more prestigious than many private schools.

The idea that the two experiences are equal is preposterous. I can name many opportunities and programs at SU that would be hard to find at a state college, (all of whom are budget crunched). It depends on what you value. It depends on fit. It depends on the program. It depends on what you can afford.

But this argument isn't about Syracuse at all. It's the same effing stupid "public vs private" argument over and over and over again. You can substitute any private college in its place and the argument is just as stupid.

Please don’t compare Syracuse to the hundreds of better private school options. Not the same

Please list the "hundreds of better private options", and why.

In advance, I know you won't because you can't.

Depending on your list, SU is in the top 100 but in the 50-100 range, which is bad. Not high enough to be worth full pay, plenty of cheaper publics also in that range.

Which program are you talking about, specifically? Oh, wait, you are not considering that SU accepts by college and major ad the competitiveness varies from ivy-level to majority accepted? Or that they don’t play the ratings game?

I will wait until you can list the “hundreds of better private options” and tell me why. I repeat that you can’t, and that is why you didn’t.

I’m not the “hundreds of better options” PP. Any private in the T30 or even T50 is a better option. Any public in the T50-100 is a better option.

Temple? Rutgers, Camden? I have no connection to Syracuse but I’m pretty sure that I would pony up the difference to avoid those schools.

$30k for Rutgers in-state is a better option than $80k for Syracuse.

$44k for Temple in-state is a better option than $80k for Syracuse.

Again, cheaper options, but you offer no proof they are better. I am a fan of in-state colleges. Just not a fan of bullshit beef rhetoric by anonymous inoramuses..

And if you think Temple is a better college than SU, you are on the crack.

The same prestige for much less money is obviously better, dolt.

Now suddenly temple is “the same” and not better, which just makes it cheaper and not better. (FTR temple is a fine college I have no beef with)

For what feels like the hundredth time:

WHAT ARE THE HUUNDREDS OF BETTER PRIVATE OPTIONS AND WHY?

It’s clear you people can’t answer that question or you would have instead of dodging and straw man-ing like crazy.

Let’s see. Private National Us, SLACs, regionals with better academics easily 150-200.

What is the evidence they have "better academics"? You have no idea what you are talking about. You can't just make that true by typing it. The evidence is to the contrary. I have to assume you are just trolls, because I don't want to assume you are imbeciles. Or maybe your kid was rejected by Newhouse? Or maybe your kid wanted to go and you couldn't afford it? If it's that, you should not feel bad, those state directionals you COULD afford provide fine bang for the buck.

DP how do you measure the academic quality of any school?

If you wanted to claim Syracuse had better academics than (say) Emory & Henry, how would you measure and prove that?

Before I show you how, let me point out the irony of you making a claim you admit you cannot demonstrate.

Second I will point out the post at 05/31/2024 11:54 which lists rankings that include academic peer rankings (partial repost):

- Newhouse
- It is an R1 research university. There are 146 of those out of 3,000 colleges (yes, many of those are public, but I don't think any are directionals)
- #1 Best Public Affairs School - Maxwell, 2024 U.S. News & World Report.
- #1 Best Photojournalism Schools, 2023 College Factual.
- #1 Best Elementary Special Education, 2023 College Factual.
- #2 Information Technology Management, 2022 U.S. News & World Report.
- #3 Best Music Management, 2023 College Factual
- #2-5 Architecture (depending on ranker)

Now it is your turn to beat those things with information about a state directional that is "better". I don't think you can, and if you don't then that will be evidence to that point.

You're talking to a different PP than me. I'm not the one saying state directionals or any other private schools are better. I was curious about your metrics for "better academic quality". I'm not sure "academic peer rankings" are very convincing. How exactly do professors know anything about the academic quality of other universities?

Are you frickin' kidding me?

How exactly do professors know anything about the academic quality of other universities?

Do people in your profession not know anything about other places? Do people in your industry not participate in events and things of that nature with other organizations? Do people in your field not move from one organization to the next? Do you think academic people work in a bubble?

Most importantly, if THEY can't tell (they can) then certainly YOU can't tell. So you lose either way.

Maybe you are not a professional person, forgive that assumption if you aren't. Maybe (probably) you are just a troll. But you're complete denial of the evidence combined with your complete inability to provide any supporting your claim shows you have nothing and are not worth continuing the discussion with.

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Anonymous wrote:Syracuse has been on the decline for the past couple of decades.

Look at the number of applications. Schools in a much better environment like BU, Northeastern, Miami, Wake see their applications surging.

So Syracuse's problem is really one that can't be solved.

Interesting. In my daughter’s acceptance letter it says Syracuse saw the most applications it’s ever had this year. Are you saying they’re lying?

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Anonymous wrote:Ridiculously expensive for what it is. Anyone who would pay full freight for it has too much money and not enough sense. That's what I think of it.

Why does everyone always bring up how expensive Syracuse is? It's literally the same price as every other private college and University in the US.

I think they are factoring in the cost of the 2 airplanes, 3 buses, and 1 dogsled you need to get from DMV to Syracuse.

NO, they are comparing to the great value of instate schools And if not instate for your family than OOS is still cheaper. I can't fathom paying $85-91K for Syracruse! WHY? You have 4,000 options in the USA. WHY would you spend that kind of money to go there?????

Some have no trouble affording it, apparently. Why drive a BMW when a used Honda will do? Why go to Europe when you can vacation at a local lake? Why go to a Michelin star when you can get your feed on at Maccers?

It's a matter of personal preference, and someone's ability to pay. Not really the mystery you make it.

In this case you’re paying BMW money for a Chevy, paying five star restaurant prices for Applebees, paying Ritz prices for Holiday Inn.

I’m not sure that I agree with this, but why does it matter if some people to choose to pay full price for Syracuse or any other private college if they can afford it? I agree that there are wonderful public options available to most people, but not all decisions are driven by cost or ROI alone. I’m sure that these strident views are serving you well and maybe contributing to your price sensitivity.

It doesn’t matter to me at all that other people do stupid things with their money, but if they stupidly and stridently insist that it’s “worth it” then I am happy to point out that it’s not.

+1 don't care what others do with their money, but this is a forum where people share their opinions.. solicited and otherwise.

Of course, I would never say anything to you to your face.

I don't think Syracuse is a terrible school, but it's not worth that sticker price. If your kid can get in for near to your in state public, then it makes sense. Otherwise, that's a crazy expensive purchase for what it is.

I will say that I did look at this school for DC because it has a specific major that DC is interested in, but I would not pay sticker price for it when the in state public and oos public that is cheaper also have that major.

Yes, you can get just as good an education at a state college as a private college. No one disagrees with that. As for prestige, yes there are some state schools which overall are more prestigious than many private schools.

The idea that the two experiences are equal is preposterous. I can name many opportunities and programs at SU that would be hard to find at a state college, (all of whom are budget crunched). It depends on what you value. It depends on fit. It depends on the program. It depends on what you can afford.

But this argument isn't about Syracuse at all. It's the same effing stupid "public vs private" argument over and over and over again. You can substitute any private college in its place and the argument is just as stupid.

Please don’t compare Syracuse to the hundreds of better private school options. Not the same

Please list the "hundreds of better private options", and why.

In advance, I know you won't because you can't.

Depending on your list, SU is in the top 100 but in the 50-100 range, which is bad. Not high enough to be worth full pay, plenty of cheaper publics also in that range.

Which program are you talking about, specifically? Oh, wait, you are not considering that SU accepts by college and major ad the competitiveness varies from ivy-level to majority accepted? Or that they don’t play the ratings game?

I will wait until you can list the “hundreds of better private options” and tell me why. I repeat that you can’t, and that is why you didn’t.

OP said Business. Stay on point. George Mason has a better law school than Syracuse. Using your logic GMU business must be much better than SU.

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Anonymous wrote:Ridiculously expensive for what it is. Anyone who would pay full freight for it has too much money and not enough sense. That's what I think of it.

Why does everyone always bring up how expensive Syracuse is? It's literally the same price as every other private college and University in the US.

I think they are factoring in the cost of the 2 airplanes, 3 buses, and 1 dogsled you need to get from DMV to Syracuse.

NO, they are comparing to the great value of instate schools And if not instate for your family than OOS is still cheaper. I can't fathom paying $85-91K for Syracruse! WHY? You have 4,000 options in the USA. WHY would you spend that kind of money to go there?????

Some have no trouble affording it, apparently. Why drive a BMW when a used Honda will do? Why go to Europe when you can vacation at a local lake? Why go to a Michelin star when you can get your feed on at Maccers?

It's a matter of personal preference, and someone's ability to pay. Not really the mystery you make it.

In this case you’re paying BMW money for a Chevy, paying five star restaurant prices for Applebees, paying Ritz prices for Holiday Inn.

I’m not sure that I agree with this, but why does it matter if some people to choose to pay full price for Syracuse or any other private college if they can afford it? I agree that there are wonderful public options available to most people, but not all decisions are driven by cost or ROI alone. I’m sure that these strident views are serving you well and maybe contributing to your price sensitivity.

It doesn’t matter to me at all that other people do stupid things with their money, but if they stupidly and stridently insist that it’s “worth it” then I am happy to point out that it’s not.

+1 don't care what others do with their money, but this is a forum where people share their opinions.. solicited and otherwise.

Of course, I would never say anything to you to your face.

I don't think Syracuse is a terrible school, but it's not worth that sticker price. If your kid can get in for near to your in state public, then it makes sense. Otherwise, that's a crazy expensive purchase for what it is.

I will say that I did look at this school for DC because it has a specific major that DC is interested in, but I would not pay sticker price for it when the in state public and oos public that is cheaper also have that major.

Yes, you can get just as good an education at a state college as a private college. No one disagrees with that. As for prestige, yes there are some state schools which overall are more prestigious than many private schools.

The idea that the two experiences are equal is preposterous. I can name many opportunities and programs at SU that would be hard to find at a state college, (all of whom are budget crunched). It depends on what you value. It depends on fit. It depends on the program. It depends on what you can afford.

But this argument isn't about Syracuse at all. It's the same effing stupid "public vs private" argument over and over and over again. You can substitute any private college in its place and the argument is just as stupid.

Please don’t compare Syracuse to the hundreds of better private school options. Not the same

Please list the "hundreds of better private options", and why.

In advance, I know you won't because you can't.

Depending on your list, SU is in the top 100 but in the 50-100 range, which is bad. Not high enough to be worth full pay, plenty of cheaper publics also in that range.

Which program are you talking about, specifically? Oh, wait, you are not considering that SU accepts by college and major ad the competitiveness varies from ivy-level to majority accepted? Or that they don’t play the ratings game?

I will wait until you can list the “hundreds of better private options” and tell me why. I repeat that you can’t, and that is why you didn’t.

I’m not the “hundreds of better options” PP. Any private in the T30 or even T50 is a better option. Any public in the T50-100 is a better option.

Temple? Rutgers, Camden? I have no connection to Syracuse but I’m pretty sure that I would pony up the difference to avoid those schools.

$30k for Rutgers in-state is a better option than $80k for Syracuse.

$44k for Temple in-state is a better option than $80k for Syracuse.

Again, cheaper options, but you offer no proof they are better. I am a fan of in-state colleges. Just not a fan of bullshit beef rhetoric by anonymous inoramuses..

And if you think Temple is a better college than SU, you are on the crack.

The same prestige for much less money is obviously better, dolt.

Now suddenly temple is “the same” and not better, which just makes it cheaper and not better. (FTR temple is a fine college I have no beef with)

For what feels like the hundredth time:

WHAT ARE THE HUUNDREDS OF BETTER PRIVATE OPTIONS AND WHY?

It’s clear you people can’t answer that question or you would have instead of dodging and straw man-ing like crazy.

Let’s see. Private National Us, SLACs, regionals with better academics easily 150-200.

What is the evidence they have "better academics"? You have no idea what you are talking about. You can't just make that true by typing it. The evidence is to the contrary. I have to assume you are just trolls, because I don't want to assume you are imbeciles. Or maybe your kid was rejected by Newhouse? Or maybe your kid wanted to go and you couldn't afford it? If it's that, you should not feel bad, those state directionals you COULD afford provide fine bang for the buck.

Data, including comparing 6 year grad rates between private (SU) and whatever public. Best proxy out there.

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Anonymous wrote:Ridiculously expensive for what it is. Anyone who would pay full freight for it has too much money and not enough sense. That's what I think of it.

Why does everyone always bring up how expensive Syracuse is? It's literally the same price as every other private college and University in the US.

I think they are factoring in the cost of the 2 airplanes, 3 buses, and 1 dogsled you need to get from DMV to Syracuse.

NO, they are comparing to the great value of instate schools And if not instate for your family than OOS is still cheaper. I can't fathom paying $85-91K for Syracruse! WHY? You have 4,000 options in the USA. WHY would you spend that kind of money to go there?????

Some have no trouble affording it, apparently. Why drive a BMW when a used Honda will do? Why go to Europe when you can vacation at a local lake? Why go to a Michelin star when you can get your feed on at Maccers?

It's a matter of personal preference, and someone's ability to pay. Not really the mystery you make it.

In this case you’re paying BMW money for a Chevy, paying five star restaurant prices for Applebees, paying Ritz prices for Holiday Inn.

I’m not sure that I agree with this, but why does it matter if some people to choose to pay full price for Syracuse or any other private college if they can afford it? I agree that there are wonderful public options available to most people, but not all decisions are driven by cost or ROI alone. I’m sure that these strident views are serving you well and maybe contributing to your price sensitivity.

It doesn’t matter to me at all that other people do stupid things with their money, but if they stupidly and stridently insist that it’s “worth it” then I am happy to point out that it’s not.

+1 don't care what others do with their money, but this is a forum where people share their opinions.. solicited and otherwise.

Of course, I would never say anything to you to your face.

I don't think Syracuse is a terrible school, but it's not worth that sticker price. If your kid can get in for near to your in state public, then it makes sense. Otherwise, that's a crazy expensive purchase for what it is.

I will say that I did look at this school for DC because it has a specific major that DC is interested in, but I would not pay sticker price for it when the in state public and oos public that is cheaper also have that major.

Yes, you can get just as good an education at a state college as a private college. No one disagrees with that. As for prestige, yes there are some state schools which overall are more prestigious than many private schools.

The idea that the two experiences are equal is preposterous. I can name many opportunities and programs at SU that would be hard to find at a state college, (all of whom are budget crunched). It depends on what you value. It depends on fit. It depends on the program. It depends on what you can afford.

But this argument isn't about Syracuse at all. It's the same effing stupid "public vs private" argument over and over and over again. You can substitute any private college in its place and the argument is just as stupid.

Please don’t compare Syracuse to the hundreds of better private school options. Not the same

Please list the "hundreds of better private options", and why.

In advance, I know you won't because you can't.

Depending on your list, SU is in the top 100 but in the 50-100 range, which is bad. Not high enough to be worth full pay, plenty of cheaper publics also in that range.

Which program are you talking about, specifically? Oh, wait, you are not considering that SU accepts by college and major ad the competitiveness varies from ivy-level to majority accepted? Or that they don’t play the ratings game?

I will wait until you can list the “hundreds of better private options” and tell me why. I repeat that you can’t, and that is why you didn’t.

OP said Business. Stay on point. George Mason has a better law school than Syracuse. Using your logic GMU business must be much better than SU.

Using my logic it might be but I would never claim either way without some evidence to support it. Unlike others.

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Anonymous wrote:Ridiculously expensive for what it is. Anyone who would pay full freight for it has too much money and not enough sense. That's what I think of it.

Why does everyone always bring up how expensive Syracuse is? It's literally the same price as every other private college and University in the US.

I think they are factoring in the cost of the 2 airplanes, 3 buses, and 1 dogsled you need to get from DMV to Syracuse.

NO, they are comparing to the great value of instate schools And if not instate for your family than OOS is still cheaper. I can't fathom paying $85-91K for Syracruse! WHY? You have 4,000 options in the USA. WHY would you spend that kind of money to go there?????

Some have no trouble affording it, apparently. Why drive a BMW when a used Honda will do? Why go to Europe when you can vacation at a local lake? Why go to a Michelin star when you can get your feed on at Maccers?

It's a matter of personal preference, and someone's ability to pay. Not really the mystery you make it.

In this case you’re paying BMW money for a Chevy, paying five star restaurant prices for Applebees, paying Ritz prices for Holiday Inn.

I’m not sure that I agree with this, but why does it matter if some people to choose to pay full price for Syracuse or any other private college if they can afford it? I agree that there are wonderful public options available to most people, but not all decisions are driven by cost or ROI alone. I’m sure that these strident views are serving you well and maybe contributing to your price sensitivity.

It doesn’t matter to me at all that other people do stupid things with their money, but if they stupidly and stridently insist that it’s “worth it” then I am happy to point out that it’s not.

+1 don't care what others do with their money, but this is a forum where people share their opinions.. solicited and otherwise.

Of course, I would never say anything to you to your face.

I don't think Syracuse is a terrible school, but it's not worth that sticker price. If your kid can get in for near to your in state public, then it makes sense. Otherwise, that's a crazy expensive purchase for what it is.

I will say that I did look at this school for DC because it has a specific major that DC is interested in, but I would not pay sticker price for it when the in state public and oos public that is cheaper also have that major.

Yes, you can get just as good an education at a state college as a private college. No one disagrees with that. As for prestige, yes there are some state schools which overall are more prestigious than many private schools.

The idea that the two experiences are equal is preposterous. I can name many opportunities and programs at SU that would be hard to find at a state college, (all of whom are budget crunched). It depends on what you value. It depends on fit. It depends on the program. It depends on what you can afford.

But this argument isn't about Syracuse at all. It's the same effing stupid "public vs private" argument over and over and over again. You can substitute any private college in its place and the argument is just as stupid.

Please don’t compare Syracuse to the hundreds of better private school options. Not the same

Please list the "hundreds of better private options", and why.

In advance, I know you won't because you can't.

Depending on your list, SU is in the top 100 but in the 50-100 range, which is bad. Not high enough to be worth full pay, plenty of cheaper publics also in that range.

Which program are you talking about, specifically? Oh, wait, you are not considering that SU accepts by college and major ad the competitiveness varies from ivy-level to majority accepted? Or that they don’t play the ratings game?

I will wait until you can list the “hundreds of better private options” and tell me why. I repeat that you can’t, and that is why you didn’t.

I’m not the “hundreds of better options” PP. Any private in the T30 or even T50 is a better option. Any public in the T50-100 is a better option.

Temple? Rutgers, Camden? I have no connection to Syracuse but I’m pretty sure that I would pony up the difference to avoid those schools.

$30k for Rutgers in-state is a better option than $80k for Syracuse.

$44k for Temple in-state is a better option than $80k for Syracuse.

Again, cheaper options, but you offer no proof they are better. I am a fan of in-state colleges. Just not a fan of bullshit beef rhetoric by anonymous inoramuses..

And if you think Temple is a better college than SU, you are on the crack.

The same prestige for much less money is obviously better, dolt.

Now suddenly temple is “the same” and not better, which just makes it cheaper and not better. (FTR temple is a fine college I have no beef with)

For what feels like the hundredth time:

WHAT ARE THE HUUNDREDS OF BETTER PRIVATE OPTIONS AND WHY?

It’s clear you people can’t answer that question or you would have instead of dodging and straw man-ing like crazy.

Let’s see. Private National Us, SLACs, regionals with better academics easily 150-200.

What is the evidence they have "better academics"? You have no idea what you are talking about. You can't just make that true by typing it. The evidence is to the contrary. I have to assume you are just trolls, because I don't want to assume you are imbeciles. Or maybe your kid was rejected by Newhouse? Or maybe your kid wanted to go and you couldn't afford it? If it's that, you should not feel bad, those state directionals you COULD afford provide fine bang for the buck.

Data, including comparing 6 year grad rates between private (SU) and whatever public. Best proxy out there.

Well thanks for providing and citing that data and showing the comparison.

Oh, wait...

Plus the idea that graduation rate is a 1 to 1 proxy for academic quality is a premise I reject. Especially if you don't have it by college within a university.

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Anonymous wrote:Syracuse has been on the decline for the past couple of decades.

Look at the number of applications. Schools in a much better environment like BU, Northeastern, Miami, Wake see their applications surging.

So Syracuse's problem is really one that can't be solved.

I'm not sure how "decline" is being defined here, so I'm rolling with the WSJ rankings (at least today!). These schools, including Syracuse, have dropped in the rankings over the past two years, with BU falling from 42 to 200 in the rankings and only Wake Forest and Miami cracking the top 100. It looks like they are all in decline, at least according to the WSJ. My directional school alma matter even outranks BU now.

Seriously, these are all good, but expensive, colleges that will provide an excellent education. If you can’t make these or other private colleges work financially, there are tons of other options available that will get your children to the same place.

I'm pretty sure that anyone posting here (excluding the “ho” brothers who are operating on a different level that they don’t even understand) can punch holes in my use of the WSJ rankings to demonstrate that BU, Syracuse, and Northeastern are circling the drain, but we all try our best to manipulate rankings and stats to make our point. Don’t we?

PS - No connection to Syracuse or any other college mentioned, but due to the excellent ROI on my community college/directional school education, I’m at least in a position to kick the tires.