Thoughts on Syracuse?

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Anonymous wrote:Ridiculously expensive for what it is. Anyone who would pay full freight for it has too much money and not enough sense. That's what I think of it.

Why does everyone always bring up how expensive Syracuse is? It's literally the same price as every other private college and University in the US.

I think they are factoring in the cost of the 2 airplanes, 3 buses, and 1 dogsled you need to get from DMV to Syracuse.

NO, they are comparing to the great value of instate schools And if not instate for your family than OOS is still cheaper. I can't fathom paying $85-91K for Syracruse! WHY? You have 4,000 options in the USA. WHY would you spend that kind of money to go there?????

Some have no trouble affording it, apparently. Why drive a BMW when a used Honda will do? Why go to Europe when you can vacation at a local lake? Why go to a Michelin star when you can get your feed on at Maccers?

It's a matter of personal preference, and someone's ability to pay. Not really the mystery you make it.

In this case you’re paying BMW money for a Chevy, paying five star restaurant prices for Applebees, paying Ritz prices for Holiday Inn.

I’m not sure that I agree with this, but why does it matter if some people to choose to pay full price for Syracuse or any other private college if they can afford it? I agree that there are wonderful public options available to most people, but not all decisions are driven by cost or ROI alone. I’m sure that these strident views are serving you well and maybe contributing to your price sensitivity.

It doesn’t matter to me at all that other people do stupid things with their money, but if they stupidly and stridently insist that it’s “worth it” then I am happy to point out that it’s not.

+1 don't care what others do with their money, but this is a forum where people share their opinions.. solicited and otherwise.

Of course, I would never say anything to you to your face.

I don't think Syracuse is a terrible school, but it's not worth that sticker price. If your kid can get in for near to your in state public, then it makes sense. Otherwise, that's a crazy expensive purchase for what it is.

I will say that I did look at this school for DC because it has a specific major that DC is interested in, but I would not pay sticker price for it when the in state public and oos public that is cheaper also have that major.

Yes, you can get just as good an education at a state college as a private college. No one disagrees with that. As for prestige, yes there are some state schools which overall are more prestigious than many private schools.

The idea that the two experiences are equal is preposterous. I can name many opportunities and programs at SU that would be hard to find at a state college, (all of whom are budget crunched). It depends on what you value. It depends on fit. It depends on the program. It depends on what you can afford.

But this argument isn't about Syracuse at all. It's the same effing stupid "public vs private" argument over and over and over again. You can substitute any private college in its place and the argument is just as stupid.

Please don’t compare Syracuse to the hundreds of better private school options. Not the same

Please list the "hundreds of better private options", and why.

In advance, I know you won't because you can't.

Depending on your list, SU is in the top 100 but in the 50-100 range, which is bad. Not high enough to be worth full pay, plenty of cheaper publics also in that range.

Which program are you talking about, specifically? Oh, wait, you are not considering that SU accepts by college and major ad the competitiveness varies from ivy-level to majority accepted? Or that they don’t play the ratings game?

I will wait until you can list the “hundreds of better private options” and tell me why. I repeat that you can’t, and that is why you didn’t.

I’m not the “hundreds of better options” PP. Any private in the T30 or even T50 is a better option. Any public in the T50-100 is a better option.

Temple? Rutgers, Camden? I have no connection to Syracuse but I’m pretty sure that I would pony up the difference to avoid those schools.

$30k for Rutgers in-state is a better option than $80k for Syracuse.

$44k for Temple in-state is a better option than $80k for Syracuse.

Again, cheaper options, but you offer no proof they are better. I am a fan of in-state colleges. Just not a fan of bullshit beef rhetoric by anonymous inoramuses..

And if you think Temple is a better college than SU, you are on the crack.

The same prestige for much less money is obviously better, dolt.

Now suddenly temple is “the same” and not better, which just makes it cheaper and not better. (FTR temple is a fine college I have no beef with)

For what feels like the hundredth time:

WHAT ARE THE HUUNDREDS OF BETTER PRIVATE OPTIONS AND WHY?

It’s clear you people can’t answer that question or you would have instead of dodging and straw man-ing like crazy.

Let’s see. Private National Us, SLACs, regionals with better academics easily 150-200.

What is the evidence they have "better academics"? You have no idea what you are talking about. You can't just make that true by typing it. The evidence is to the contrary. I have to assume you are just trolls, because I don't want to assume you are imbeciles. Or maybe your kid was rejected by Newhouse? Or maybe your kid wanted to go and you couldn't afford it? If it's that, you should not feel bad, those state directionals you COULD afford provide fine bang for the buck.

Data, including comparing 6 year grad rates between private (SU) and whatever public. Best proxy out there.

Well thanks for providing and citing that data and showing the comparison.

Oh, wait...

Plus the idea that graduation rate is a 1 to 1 proxy for academic quality is a premise I reject. Especially if you don't have it by college within a university.

You can reject it all you want-but overall 6 year grad rates VERY CLOSELY mirror common rankings of college performance. And the results are what you’d expect - Ivies are at or near the top…prestigious state also near the top, just a little lower. Schools like Syracuse and Temple do fine-but 200-250 well known institutions do better.

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Anonymous wrote:Ridiculously expensive for what it is. Anyone who would pay full freight for it has too much money and not enough sense. That's what I think of it.

Why does everyone always bring up how expensive Syracuse is? It's literally the same price as every other private college and University in the US.

I think they are factoring in the cost of the 2 airplanes, 3 buses, and 1 dogsled you need to get from DMV to Syracuse.

NO, they are comparing to the great value of instate schools And if not instate for your family than OOS is still cheaper. I can't fathom paying $85-91K for Syracruse! WHY? You have 4,000 options in the USA. WHY would you spend that kind of money to go there?????

Some have no trouble affording it, apparently. Why drive a BMW when a used Honda will do? Why go to Europe when you can vacation at a local lake? Why go to a Michelin star when you can get your feed on at Maccers?

It's a matter of personal preference, and someone's ability to pay. Not really the mystery you make it.

In this case you’re paying BMW money for a Chevy, paying five star restaurant prices for Applebees, paying Ritz prices for Holiday Inn.

I’m not sure that I agree with this, but why does it matter if some people to choose to pay full price for Syracuse or any other private college if they can afford it? I agree that there are wonderful public options available to most people, but not all decisions are driven by cost or ROI alone. I’m sure that these strident views are serving you well and maybe contributing to your price sensitivity.

It doesn’t matter to me at all that other people do stupid things with their money, but if they stupidly and stridently insist that it’s “worth it” then I am happy to point out that it’s not.

+1 don't care what others do with their money, but this is a forum where people share their opinions.. solicited and otherwise.

Of course, I would never say anything to you to your face.

I don't think Syracuse is a terrible school, but it's not worth that sticker price. If your kid can get in for near to your in state public, then it makes sense. Otherwise, that's a crazy expensive purchase for what it is.

I will say that I did look at this school for DC because it has a specific major that DC is interested in, but I would not pay sticker price for it when the in state public and oos public that is cheaper also have that major.

Yes, you can get just as good an education at a state college as a private college. No one disagrees with that. As for prestige, yes there are some state schools which overall are more prestigious than many private schools.

The idea that the two experiences are equal is preposterous. I can name many opportunities and programs at SU that would be hard to find at a state college, (all of whom are budget crunched). It depends on what you value. It depends on fit. It depends on the program. It depends on what you can afford.

But this argument isn't about Syracuse at all. It's the same effing stupid "public vs private" argument over and over and over again. You can substitute any private college in its place and the argument is just as stupid.

Please don’t compare Syracuse to the hundreds of better private school options. Not the same

Please list the "hundreds of better private options", and why.

In advance, I know you won't because you can't.

Depending on your list, SU is in the top 100 but in the 50-100 range, which is bad. Not high enough to be worth full pay, plenty of cheaper publics also in that range.

Which program are you talking about, specifically? Oh, wait, you are not considering that SU accepts by college and major ad the competitiveness varies from ivy-level to majority accepted? Or that they don’t play the ratings game?

I will wait until you can list the “hundreds of better private options” and tell me why. I repeat that you can’t, and that is why you didn’t.

I’m not the “hundreds of better options” PP. Any private in the T30 or even T50 is a better option. Any public in the T50-100 is a better option.

Temple? Rutgers, Camden? I have no connection to Syracuse but I’m pretty sure that I would pony up the difference to avoid those schools.

$30k for Rutgers in-state is a better option than $80k for Syracuse.

$44k for Temple in-state is a better option than $80k for Syracuse.

Again, cheaper options, but you offer no proof they are better. I am a fan of in-state colleges. Just not a fan of bullshit beef rhetoric by anonymous inoramuses..

And if you think Temple is a better college than SU, you are on the crack.

The same prestige for much less money is obviously better, dolt.

Now suddenly temple is “the same” and not better, which just makes it cheaper and not better. (FTR temple is a fine college I have no beef with)

For what feels like the hundredth time:

WHAT ARE THE HUUNDREDS OF BETTER PRIVATE OPTIONS AND WHY?

It’s clear you people can’t answer that question or you would have instead of dodging and straw man-ing like crazy.

Let’s see. Private National Us, SLACs, regionals with better academics easily 150-200.

What is the evidence they have "better academics"? You have no idea what you are talking about. You can't just make that true by typing it. The evidence is to the contrary. I have to assume you are just trolls, because I don't want to assume you are imbeciles. Or maybe your kid was rejected by Newhouse? Or maybe your kid wanted to go and you couldn't afford it? If it's that, you should not feel bad, those state directionals you COULD afford provide fine bang for the buck.

Data, including comparing 6 year grad rates between private (SU) and whatever public. Best proxy out there.

Well thanks for providing and citing that data and showing the comparison.

Oh, wait...

Plus the idea that graduation rate is a 1 to 1 proxy for academic quality is a premise I reject. Especially if you don't have it by college within a university.

IPEDS, lazy mom.

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Anonymous wrote:Ridiculously expensive for what it is. Anyone who would pay full freight for it has too much money and not enough sense. That's what I think of it.

Why does everyone always bring up how expensive Syracuse is? It's literally the same price as every other private college and University in the US.

I think they are factoring in the cost of the 2 airplanes, 3 buses, and 1 dogsled you need to get from DMV to Syracuse.

NO, they are comparing to the great value of instate schools And if not instate for your family than OOS is still cheaper. I can't fathom paying $85-91K for Syracruse! WHY? You have 4,000 options in the USA. WHY would you spend that kind of money to go there?????

Some have no trouble affording it, apparently. Why drive a BMW when a used Honda will do? Why go to Europe when you can vacation at a local lake? Why go to a Michelin star when you can get your feed on at Maccers?

It's a matter of personal preference, and someone's ability to pay. Not really the mystery you make it.

In this case you’re paying BMW money for a Chevy, paying five star restaurant prices for Applebees, paying Ritz prices for Holiday Inn.

I’m not sure that I agree with this, but why does it matter if some people to choose to pay full price for Syracuse or any other private college if they can afford it? I agree that there are wonderful public options available to most people, but not all decisions are driven by cost or ROI alone. I’m sure that these strident views are serving you well and maybe contributing to your price sensitivity.

It doesn’t matter to me at all that other people do stupid things with their money, but if they stupidly and stridently insist that it’s “worth it” then I am happy to point out that it’s not.

+1 don't care what others do with their money, but this is a forum where people share their opinions.. solicited and otherwise.

Of course, I would never say anything to you to your face.

I don't think Syracuse is a terrible school, but it's not worth that sticker price. If your kid can get in for near to your in state public, then it makes sense. Otherwise, that's a crazy expensive purchase for what it is.

I will say that I did look at this school for DC because it has a specific major that DC is interested in, but I would not pay sticker price for it when the in state public and oos public that is cheaper also have that major.

Yes, you can get just as good an education at a state college as a private college. No one disagrees with that. As for prestige, yes there are some state schools which overall are more prestigious than many private schools.

The idea that the two experiences are equal is preposterous. I can name many opportunities and programs at SU that would be hard to find at a state college, (all of whom are budget crunched). It depends on what you value. It depends on fit. It depends on the program. It depends on what you can afford.

But this argument isn't about Syracuse at all. It's the same effing stupid "public vs private" argument over and over and over again. You can substitute any private college in its place and the argument is just as stupid.

Please don’t compare Syracuse to the hundreds of better private school options. Not the same

Please list the "hundreds of better private options", and why.

In advance, I know you won't because you can't.

Depending on your list, SU is in the top 100 but in the 50-100 range, which is bad. Not high enough to be worth full pay, plenty of cheaper publics also in that range.

Which program are you talking about, specifically? Oh, wait, you are not considering that SU accepts by college and major ad the competitiveness varies from ivy-level to majority accepted? Or that they don’t play the ratings game?

I will wait until you can list the “hundreds of better private options” and tell me why. I repeat that you can’t, and that is why you didn’t.

I’m not the “hundreds of better options” PP. Any private in the T30 or even T50 is a better option. Any public in the T50-100 is a better option.

Temple? Rutgers, Camden? I have no connection to Syracuse but I’m pretty sure that I would pony up the difference to avoid those schools.

$30k for Rutgers in-state is a better option than $80k for Syracuse.

$44k for Temple in-state is a better option than $80k for Syracuse.

Again, cheaper options, but you offer no proof they are better. I am a fan of in-state colleges. Just not a fan of bullshit beef rhetoric by anonymous inoramuses..

And if you think Temple is a better college than SU, you are on the crack.

The same prestige for much less money is obviously better, dolt.

Now suddenly temple is “the same” and not better, which just makes it cheaper and not better. (FTR temple is a fine college I have no beef with)

For what feels like the hundredth time:

WHAT ARE THE HUUNDREDS OF BETTER PRIVATE OPTIONS AND WHY?

It’s clear you people can’t answer that question or you would have instead of dodging and straw man-ing like crazy.

Let’s see. Private National Us, SLACs, regionals with better academics easily 150-200.

What is the evidence they have "better academics"? You have no idea what you are talking about. You can't just make that true by typing it. The evidence is to the contrary. I have to assume you are just trolls, because I don't want to assume you are imbeciles. Or maybe your kid was rejected by Newhouse? Or maybe your kid wanted to go and you couldn't afford it? If it's that, you should not feel bad, those state directionals you COULD afford provide fine bang for the buck.

Data, including comparing 6 year grad rates between private (SU) and whatever public. Best proxy out there.

Well thanks for providing and citing that data and showing the comparison.

Oh, wait...

Plus the idea that graduation rate is a 1 to 1 proxy for academic quality is a premise I reject. Especially if you don't have it by college within a university.

You can reject it all you want-but overall 6 year grad rates VERY CLOSELY mirror common rankings of college performance. And the results are what you’d expect - Ivies are at or near the top…prestigious state also near the top, just a little lower. Schools like Syracuse and Temple do fine-but 200-250 well known institutions do better.

Back to OPs point - you’d also want to look at salaries (for business majors) at Syracuse v state schools

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Anonymous wrote:I can't imagine why you want to pay $85,214 a year to send your kid to Syracuse for business. If you're in Virginia send him to JMU.

I don’t know how to sugar coat this or say it nicely, so I’ll just say that some people prefer to pay $85k so that they’re around other people paying $85k. They’d never even consider JMU

Yup. And I’m one of those people. One of the most valuable things you gain in college is a network. If planning a lif beyond Virginia, Syracuse give a broader network. And a more known name.

No. Not according to actual outcomes available at both schools websites.

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Anonymous wrote:Ridiculously expensive for what it is. Anyone who would pay full freight for it has too much money and not enough sense. That's what I think of it.

Why does everyone always bring up how expensive Syracuse is? It's literally the same price as every other private college and University in the US.

I think they are factoring in the cost of the 2 airplanes, 3 buses, and 1 dogsled you need to get from DMV to Syracuse.

NO, they are comparing to the great value of instate schools And if not instate for your family than OOS is still cheaper. I can't fathom paying $85-91K for Syracruse! WHY? You have 4,000 options in the USA. WHY would you spend that kind of money to go there?????

Some have no trouble affording it, apparently. Why drive a BMW when a used Honda will do? Why go to Europe when you can vacation at a local lake? Why go to a Michelin star when you can get your feed on at Maccers?

It's a matter of personal preference, and someone's ability to pay. Not really the mystery you make it.

In this case you’re paying BMW money for a Chevy, paying five star restaurant prices for Applebees, paying Ritz prices for Holiday Inn.

I’m not sure that I agree with this, but why does it matter if some people to choose to pay full price for Syracuse or any other private college if they can afford it? I agree that there are wonderful public options available to most people, but not all decisions are driven by cost or ROI alone. I’m sure that these strident views are serving you well and maybe contributing to your price sensitivity.

It doesn’t matter to me at all that other people do stupid things with their money, but if they stupidly and stridently insist that it’s “worth it” then I am happy to point out that it’s not.

+1 don't care what others do with their money, but this is a forum where people share their opinions.. solicited and otherwise.

Of course, I would never say anything to you to your face.

I don't think Syracuse is a terrible school, but it's not worth that sticker price. If your kid can get in for near to your in state public, then it makes sense. Otherwise, that's a crazy expensive purchase for what it is.

I will say that I did look at this school for DC because it has a specific major that DC is interested in, but I would not pay sticker price for it when the in state public and oos public that is cheaper also have that major.

Yes, you can get just as good an education at a state college as a private college. No one disagrees with that. As for prestige, yes there are some state schools which overall are more prestigious than many private schools.

The idea that the two experiences are equal is preposterous. I can name many opportunities and programs at SU that would be hard to find at a state college, (all of whom are budget crunched). It depends on what you value. It depends on fit. It depends on the program. It depends on what you can afford.

But this argument isn't about Syracuse at all. It's the same effing stupid "public vs private" argument over and over and over again. You can substitute any private college in its place and the argument is just as stupid.

Please don’t compare Syracuse to the hundreds of better private school options. Not the same

Please list the "hundreds of better private options", and why.

In advance, I know you won't because you can't.

Depending on your list, SU is in the top 100 but in the 50-100 range, which is bad. Not high enough to be worth full pay, plenty of cheaper publics also in that range.

Which program are you talking about, specifically? Oh, wait, you are not considering that SU accepts by college and major ad the competitiveness varies from ivy-level to majority accepted? Or that they don’t play the ratings game?

I will wait until you can list the “hundreds of better private options” and tell me why. I repeat that you can’t, and that is why you didn’t.

I’m not the “hundreds of better options” PP. Any private in the T30 or even T50 is a better option. Any public in the T50-100 is a better option.

Temple? Rutgers, Camden? I have no connection to Syracuse but I’m pretty sure that I would pony up the difference to avoid those schools.

$30k for Rutgers in-state is a better option than $80k for Syracuse.

$44k for Temple in-state is a better option than $80k for Syracuse.

Again, cheaper options, but you offer no proof they are better. I am a fan of in-state colleges. Just not a fan of bullshit beef rhetoric by anonymous inoramuses..

And if you think Temple is a better college than SU, you are on the crack.

The same prestige for much less money is obviously better, dolt.

Now suddenly temple is “the same” and not better, which just makes it cheaper and not better. (FTR temple is a fine college I have no beef with)

For what feels like the hundredth time:

WHAT ARE THE HUUNDREDS OF BETTER PRIVATE OPTIONS AND WHY?

It’s clear you people can’t answer that question or you would have instead of dodging and straw man-ing like crazy.

Let’s see. Private National Us, SLACs, regionals with better academics easily 150-200.

What is the evidence they have "better academics"? You have no idea what you are talking about. You can't just make that true by typing it. The evidence is to the contrary. I have to assume you are just trolls, because I don't want to assume you are imbeciles. Or maybe your kid was rejected by Newhouse? Or maybe your kid wanted to go and you couldn't afford it? If it's that, you should not feel bad, those state directionals you COULD afford provide fine bang for the buck.

DP how do you measure the academic quality of any school?

If you wanted to claim Syracuse had better academics than (say) Emory & Henry, how would you measure and prove that?

Before I show you how, let me point out the irony of you making a claim you admit you cannot demonstrate.

Second I will point out the post at 05/31/2024 11:54 which lists rankings that include academic peer rankings (partial repost):

- Newhouse
- It is an R1 research university. There are 146 of those out of 3,000 colleges (yes, many of those are public, but I don't think any are directionals)
- #1 Best Public Affairs School - Maxwell, 2024 U.S. News & World Report.
- #1 Best Photojournalism Schools, 2023 College Factual.
- #1 Best Elementary Special Education, 2023 College Factual.
- #2 Information Technology Management, 2022 U.S. News & World Report.
- #3 Best Music Management, 2023 College Factual
- #2-5 Architecture (depending on ranker)

Now it is your turn to beat those things with information about a state directional that is "better". I don't think you can, and if you don't then that will be evidence to that point.

You're talking to a different PP than me. I'm not the one saying state directionals or any other private schools are better. I was curious about your metrics for "better academic quality". I'm not sure "academic peer rankings" are very convincing. How exactly do professors know anything about the academic quality of other universities?

Are you frickin' kidding me?

How exactly do professors know anything about the academic quality of other universities?

Do people in your profession not know anything about other places? Do people in your industry not participate in events and things of that nature with other organizations? Do people in your field not move from one organization to the next? Do you think academic people work in a bubble?

Most importantly, if THEY can't tell (they can) then certainly YOU can't tell. So you lose either way.

Maybe you are not a professional person, forgive that assumption if you aren't. Maybe (probably) you are just a troll. But you're complete denial of the evidence combined with your complete inability to provide any supporting your claim shows you have nothing and are not worth continuing the discussion with.

No, I do not believe that the presidents, provosts and deans of admissions who were surveyed for the "peer assessment" actually know anything meaningful about the academic quality of those other schools. All that gives you is a subjective and biased survey that amounts to "oh yeah I've heard of that place" no better than your usual DCUM thread that ranks the "tiers" of the Ivies. That survey is not based on any concrete, recent performance data.

Furthermore, as it is YOU who is making the positive claim about the "high academic quality" of SU, it is YOUR job to prove it not mine to disprove it. You are failing. Try again.

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Anonymous wrote:Ridiculously expensive for what it is. Anyone who would pay full freight for it has too much money and not enough sense. That's what I think of it.

Why does everyone always bring up how expensive Syracuse is? It's literally the same price as every other private college and University in the US.

I think they are factoring in the cost of the 2 airplanes, 3 buses, and 1 dogsled you need to get from DMV to Syracuse.

NO, they are comparing to the great value of instate schools And if not instate for your family than OOS is still cheaper. I can't fathom paying $85-91K for Syracruse! WHY? You have 4,000 options in the USA. WHY would you spend that kind of money to go there?????

Some have no trouble affording it, apparently. Why drive a BMW when a used Honda will do? Why go to Europe when you can vacation at a local lake? Why go to a Michelin star when you can get your feed on at Maccers?

It's a matter of personal preference, and someone's ability to pay. Not really the mystery you make it.

In this case you’re paying BMW money for a Chevy, paying five star restaurant prices for Applebees, paying Ritz prices for Holiday Inn.

I’m not sure that I agree with this, but why does it matter if some people to choose to pay full price for Syracuse or any other private college if they can afford it? I agree that there are wonderful public options available to most people, but not all decisions are driven by cost or ROI alone. I’m sure that these strident views are serving you well and maybe contributing to your price sensitivity.

It doesn’t matter to me at all that other people do stupid things with their money, but if they stupidly and stridently insist that it’s “worth it” then I am happy to point out that it’s not.

+1 don't care what others do with their money, but this is a forum where people share their opinions.. solicited and otherwise.

Of course, I would never say anything to you to your face.

I don't think Syracuse is a terrible school, but it's not worth that sticker price. If your kid can get in for near to your in state public, then it makes sense. Otherwise, that's a crazy expensive purchase for what it is.

I will say that I did look at this school for DC because it has a specific major that DC is interested in, but I would not pay sticker price for it when the in state public and oos public that is cheaper also have that major.

Yes, you can get just as good an education at a state college as a private college. No one disagrees with that. As for prestige, yes there are some state schools which overall are more prestigious than many private schools.

The idea that the two experiences are equal is preposterous. I can name many opportunities and programs at SU that would be hard to find at a state college, (all of whom are budget crunched). It depends on what you value. It depends on fit. It depends on the program. It depends on what you can afford.

But this argument isn't about Syracuse at all. It's the same effing stupid "public vs private" argument over and over and over again. You can substitute any private college in its place and the argument is just as stupid.

Please don’t compare Syracuse to the hundreds of better private school options. Not the same

Please list the "hundreds of better private options", and why.

In advance, I know you won't because you can't.

Depending on your list, SU is in the top 100 but in the 50-100 range, which is bad. Not high enough to be worth full pay, plenty of cheaper publics also in that range.

Which program are you talking about, specifically? Oh, wait, you are not considering that SU accepts by college and major ad the competitiveness varies from ivy-level to majority accepted? Or that they don’t play the ratings game?

I will wait until you can list the “hundreds of better private options” and tell me why. I repeat that you can’t, and that is why you didn’t.

I’m not the “hundreds of better options” PP. Any private in the T30 or even T50 is a better option. Any public in the T50-100 is a better option.

Temple? Rutgers, Camden? I have no connection to Syracuse but I’m pretty sure that I would pony up the difference to avoid those schools.

$30k for Rutgers in-state is a better option than $80k for Syracuse.

$44k for Temple in-state is a better option than $80k for Syracuse.

Again, cheaper options, but you offer no proof they are better. I am a fan of in-state colleges. Just not a fan of bullshit beef rhetoric by anonymous inoramuses..

And if you think Temple is a better college than SU, you are on the crack.

The same prestige for much less money is obviously better, dolt.

Now suddenly temple is “the same” and not better, which just makes it cheaper and not better. (FTR temple is a fine college I have no beef with)

For what feels like the hundredth time:

WHAT ARE THE HUUNDREDS OF BETTER PRIVATE OPTIONS AND WHY?

It’s clear you people can’t answer that question or you would have instead of dodging and straw man-ing like crazy.

Let’s see. Private National Us, SLACs, regionals with better academics easily 150-200.

What is the evidence they have "better academics"? You have no idea what you are talking about. You can't just make that true by typing it. The evidence is to the contrary. I have to assume you are just trolls, because I don't want to assume you are imbeciles. Or maybe your kid was rejected by Newhouse? Or maybe your kid wanted to go and you couldn't afford it? If it's that, you should not feel bad, those state directionals you COULD afford provide fine bang for the buck.

Data, including comparing 6 year grad rates between private (SU) and whatever public. Best proxy out there.

Well thanks for providing and citing that data and showing the comparison.

Oh, wait...

Plus the idea that graduation rate is a 1 to 1 proxy for academic quality is a premise I reject. Especially if you don't have it by college within a university.

You can reject it all you want-but overall 6 year grad rates VERY CLOSELY mirror common rankings of college performance. And the results are what you’d expect - Ivies are at or near the top…prestigious state also near the top, just a little lower. Schools like Syracuse and Temple do fine-but 200-250 well known institutions do better.

What? The rankings that use graduation rates closely mirror the graduation rates they use? Unpossible!

Syracuse and Temple do fine-but 200-250 well known institutions do better.

Really? College Raptor has SU ranked 147 in 6 year rate. That would make the above statement false, would it not? Fortunately for you it does not specifically address "academic quality" especially when not provided by college within the university.

[Anonymous]

So by your scale here are the top academic colleges in America:

Reformed University
Sacred Heart Major Seminary
Southeast Missouri Hospital College of Nursing and Health Sciences
St- Augustine College
Strayer University-Arkansas
Strayer University-Delaware

Then comes Harvard and Yale.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So by your scale here are the top academic colleges in America:

Reformed University
Sacred Heart Major Seminary
Southeast Missouri Hospital College of Nursing and Health Sciences
St- Augustine College
Strayer University-Arkansas
Strayer University-Delaware

Then comes Harvard and Yale.

Nice try. The first 7 are data fails