NJ mayor who is running for Congress, opposed hiring Jews

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very divisive cultural issue in NJ. I don't think most people on this thread understand the cultural dynamics at play unless they have lived in NJ at some point. Many people are very scared that a large influx of a population with very different social viewpoints (than the current residents) will create an environment that is hostile to their general way of life. People are also concerned about potential risks to women's rights due to religious beliefs regarding gender segregation. There are literally pools in NJ now that have mens only and women's only swimming hours (or even entire days). I am not sure what the solution is, but it will be very challenging to find a solution that is acceptable for both conservative religious groups the generally more secular residents currently in these NJ towns.

Ok, again, just because the minority became the majority and made some societal changes to support their conservative values doesn't make discrimination ok just because it makes you uncomfortable. Just use the pool at hours designated for you.

Discrimination is not ok but discrimination and segregation is also ok? Make up your mind

I'm saying the majority now ruling believes that genders should be separated. BTW Hasidics are not the only ones who do this. I think segregation is wrong but if I lived there I would have to fight it or move.

It still would not be right for me to discriminate to keep them off the school board or city government.

The law already has ways to handle the balance between religious accomodations and other interests. Allowing reasonable accomodations in the form of say a few hours of gender-segregated pools, is totally fine as well as its done fairly.

That's not a reasonable accomodation and you would be up in arms, as would I, if fundamentalist Muslims enacted that in an American community. I am not afraid of menstruation.

Gender segregated pool hours are already upheld in many places as a religious accomodation, which is a neutral principle of civil rights laws.

And of course the fact that you disagree with a person’s religious beliefs doesn’t mean you can discriminate against them in hiring. How many times does this need to be repeated?

Exactly. Just because someone is a Reform Jew or any other religion does not mean they can be discriminated against.

Anti-discrimination laws generally apply to the government, employers, and providers of “public accomodations” (eg hotels and restaurants.) A religious group is of course free to discriminate as are individuals.

Of course. Every house is a religious institution, nobody is married, and no income is declared because it's a religious group.

are you saying because you believe negative tropes about jews that it’s ok to refuse to hire jews?

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very divisive cultural issue in NJ. I don't think most people on this thread understand the cultural dynamics at play unless they have lived in NJ at some point. Many people are very scared that a large influx of a population with very different social viewpoints (than the current residents) will create an environment that is hostile to their general way of life. People are also concerned about potential risks to women's rights due to religious beliefs regarding gender segregation. There are literally pools in NJ now that have mens only and women's only swimming hours (or even entire days). I am not sure what the solution is, but it will be very challenging to find a solution that is acceptable for both conservative religious groups the generally more secular residents currently in these NJ towns.

Ok, again, just because the minority became the majority and made some societal changes to support their conservative values doesn't make discrimination ok just because it makes you uncomfortable. Just use the pool at hours designated for you.

Discrimination is not ok but discrimination and segregation is also ok? Make up your mind

I'm saying the majority now ruling believes that genders should be separated. BTW Hasidics are not the only ones who do this. I think segregation is wrong but if I lived there I would have to fight it or move.

It still would not be right for me to discriminate to keep them off the school board or city government.

The law already has ways to handle the balance between religious accomodations and other interests. Allowing reasonable accomodations in the form of say a few hours of gender-segregated pools, is totally fine as well as its done fairly.

That's not a reasonable accomodation and you would be up in arms, as would I, if fundamentalist Muslims enacted that in an American community. I am not afraid of menstruation.

Gender segregated pool hours are already upheld in many places as a religious accomodation, which is a neutral principle of civil rights laws.

And of course the fact that you disagree with a person’s religious beliefs doesn’t mean you can discriminate against them in hiring. How many times does this need to be repeated?

Exactly. Just because someone is a Reform Jew or any other religion does not mean they can be discriminated against.

Anti-discrimination laws generally apply to the government, employers, and providers of “public accomodations” (eg hotels and restaurants.) A religious group is of course free to discriminate as are individuals.

Of course. Every house is a religious institution, nobody is married, and no income is declared because it's a religious group.

are you saying because you believe negative tropes about jews that it’s ok to refuse to hire jews?

Not Jews. A supremacist religious fundamentalist sub sect no different than the Taliban, Westboro Baptist Church, or FLDS.

Those things are also all true for this fundamentalist offshoot.

How can or should the broader community of Rockland County counter this group in a way that's acceptable to you?

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very divisive cultural issue in NJ. I don't think most people on this thread understand the cultural dynamics at play unless they have lived in NJ at some point. Many people are very scared that a large influx of a population with very different social viewpoints (than the current residents) will create an environment that is hostile to their general way of life. People are also concerned about potential risks to women's rights due to religious beliefs regarding gender segregation. There are literally pools in NJ now that have mens only and women's only swimming hours (or even entire days). I am not sure what the solution is, but it will be very challenging to find a solution that is acceptable for both conservative religious groups the generally more secular residents currently in these NJ towns.

Ok, again, just because the minority became the majority and made some societal changes to support their conservative values doesn't make discrimination ok just because it makes you uncomfortable. Just use the pool at hours designated for you.

Discrimination is not ok but discrimination and segregation is also ok? Make up your mind

I'm saying the majority now ruling believes that genders should be separated. BTW Hasidics are not the only ones who do this. I think segregation is wrong but if I lived there I would have to fight it or move.

It still would not be right for me to discriminate to keep them off the school board or city government.

The law already has ways to handle the balance between religious accomodations and other interests. Allowing reasonable accomodations in the form of say a few hours of gender-segregated pools, is totally fine as well as its done fairly.

That's not a reasonable accomodation and you would be up in arms, as would I, if fundamentalist Muslims enacted that in an American community. I am not afraid of menstruation.

Gender segregated pool hours are already upheld in many places as a religious accomodation, which is a neutral principle of civil rights laws.

And of course the fact that you disagree with a person’s religious beliefs doesn’t mean you can discriminate against them in hiring. How many times does this need to be repeated?

Exactly. Just because someone is a Reform Jew or any other religion does not mean they can be discriminated against.

Anti-discrimination laws generally apply to the government, employers, and providers of “public accomodations” (eg hotels and restaurants.) A religious group is of course free to discriminate as are individuals.

Of course. Every house is a religious institution, nobody is married, and no income is declared because it's a religious group.

are you saying because you believe negative tropes about jews that it’s ok to refuse to hire jews?

Not Jews. A supremacist religious fundamentalist sub sect no different than the Taliban, Westboro Baptist Church, or FLDS.

Those things are also all true for this fundamentalist offshoot.

How can or should the broader community of Rockland County counter this group in a way that's acceptable to you?

This is about a public official openly saying he would refuse to hire someone due to their religion. That’s wrong if the person is Hasidic, Mormon, or anything else. Equating Hasids with the Taliban is something else …

Once again: the strength of your dislike of a religion does NOT mean you get to discriminate against those individuals in employment. Taking action against someone because you dislike their religion is literally the definition of discrimination.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very divisive cultural issue in NJ. I don't think most people on this thread understand the cultural dynamics at play unless they have lived in NJ at some point. Many people are very scared that a large influx of a population with very different social viewpoints (than the current residents) will create an environment that is hostile to their general way of life. People are also concerned about potential risks to women's rights due to religious beliefs regarding gender segregation. There are literally pools in NJ now that have mens only and women's only swimming hours (or even entire days). I am not sure what the solution is, but it will be very challenging to find a solution that is acceptable for both conservative religious groups the generally more secular residents currently in these NJ towns.

The minute any of these Hasidic groups moved into my community, I would run. They destroy everything that they touch, including public education and public services. It is absolutely disgusting

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very divisive cultural issue in NJ. I don't think most people on this thread understand the cultural dynamics at play unless they have lived in NJ at some point. Many people are very scared that a large influx of a population with very different social viewpoints (than the current residents) will create an environment that is hostile to their general way of life. People are also concerned about potential risks to women's rights due to religious beliefs regarding gender segregation. There are literally pools in NJ now that have mens only and women's only swimming hours (or even entire days). I am not sure what the solution is, but it will be very challenging to find a solution that is acceptable for both conservative religious groups the generally more secular residents currently in these NJ towns.

Ok, again, just because the minority became the majority and made some societal changes to support their conservative values doesn't make discrimination ok just because it makes you uncomfortable. Just use the pool at hours designated for you.

Discrimination is not ok but discrimination and segregation is also ok? Make up your mind

I'm saying the majority now ruling believes that genders should be separated. BTW Hasidics are not the only ones who do this. I think segregation is wrong but if I lived there I would have to fight it or move.

It still would not be right for me to discriminate to keep them off the school board or city government.

The law already has ways to handle the balance between religious accomodations and other interests. Allowing reasonable accomodations in the form of say a few hours of gender-segregated pools, is totally fine as well as its done fairly.

That's not a reasonable accomodation and you would be up in arms, as would I, if fundamentalist Muslims enacted that in an American community. I am not afraid of menstruation.

Gender segregated pool hours are already upheld in many places as a religious accomodation, which is a neutral principle of civil rights laws.

And of course the fact that you disagree with a person’s religious beliefs doesn’t mean you can discriminate against them in hiring. How many times does this need to be repeated?

Exactly. Just because someone is a Reform Jew or any other religion does not mean they can be discriminated against.

Anti-discrimination laws generally apply to the government, employers, and providers of “public accomodations” (eg hotels and restaurants.) A religious group is of course free to discriminate as are individuals.

Of course. Every house is a religious institution, nobody is married, and no income is declared because it's a religious group.

are you saying because you believe negative tropes about jews that it’s ok to refuse to hire jews?

DP

More thankful than ever that I grew up in an environment where “trope” wasn’t misused with such regularity.

Can we just say stereotyping, since that’s what you’re opposed to? Why do you persist in using a co-opted word that’s less descriptive of what you’re apparently trying to say than “stereotype”?

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very divisive cultural issue in NJ. I don't think most people on this thread understand the cultural dynamics at play unless they have lived in NJ at some point. Many people are very scared that a large influx of a population with very different social viewpoints (than the current residents) will create an environment that is hostile to their general way of life. People are also concerned about potential risks to women's rights due to religious beliefs regarding gender segregation. There are literally pools in NJ now that have mens only and women's only swimming hours (or even entire days). I am not sure what the solution is, but it will be very challenging to find a solution that is acceptable for both conservative religious groups the generally more secular residents currently in these NJ towns.

The minute any of these Hasidic groups moved into my community, I would run. They destroy everything that they touch, including public education and public services. It is absolutely disgusting

Like vermin, huh

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very divisive cultural issue in NJ. I don't think most people on this thread understand the cultural dynamics at play unless they have lived in NJ at some point. Many people are very scared that a large influx of a population with very different social viewpoints (than the current residents) will create an environment that is hostile to their general way of life. People are also concerned about potential risks to women's rights due to religious beliefs regarding gender segregation. There are literally pools in NJ now that have mens only and women's only swimming hours (or even entire days). I am not sure what the solution is, but it will be very challenging to find a solution that is acceptable for both conservative religious groups the generally more secular residents currently in these NJ towns.

Ok, again, just because the minority became the majority and made some societal changes to support their conservative values doesn't make discrimination ok just because it makes you uncomfortable. Just use the pool at hours designated for you.

Discrimination is not ok but discrimination and segregation is also ok? Make up your mind

I'm saying the majority now ruling believes that genders should be separated. BTW Hasidics are not the only ones who do this. I think segregation is wrong but if I lived there I would have to fight it or move.

It still would not be right for me to discriminate to keep them off the school board or city government.

The law already has ways to handle the balance between religious accomodations and other interests. Allowing reasonable accomodations in the form of say a few hours of gender-segregated pools, is totally fine as well as its done fairly.

That's not a reasonable accomodation and you would be up in arms, as would I, if fundamentalist Muslims enacted that in an American community. I am not afraid of menstruation.

Gender segregated pool hours are already upheld in many places as a religious accomodation, which is a neutral principle of civil rights laws.

And of course the fact that you disagree with a person’s religious beliefs doesn’t mean you can discriminate against them in hiring. How many times does this need to be repeated?

Exactly. Just because someone is a Reform Jew or any other religion does not mean they can be discriminated against.

Anti-discrimination laws generally apply to the government, employers, and providers of “public accomodations” (eg hotels and restaurants.) A religious group is of course free to discriminate as are individuals.

Of course. Every house is a religious institution, nobody is married, and no income is declared because it's a religious group.

are you saying because you believe negative tropes about jews that it’s ok to refuse to hire jews?

Not Jews. A supremacist religious fundamentalist sub sect no different than the Taliban, Westboro Baptist Church, or FLDS.

Those things are also all true for this fundamentalist offshoot.

How can or should the broader community of Rockland County counter this group in a way that's acceptable to you?

+1

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very divisive cultural issue in NJ. I don't think most people on this thread understand the cultural dynamics at play unless they have lived in NJ at some point. Many people are very scared that a large influx of a population with very different social viewpoints (than the current residents) will create an environment that is hostile to their general way of life. People are also concerned about potential risks to women's rights due to religious beliefs regarding gender segregation. There are literally pools in NJ now that have mens only and women's only swimming hours (or even entire days). I am not sure what the solution is, but it will be very challenging to find a solution that is acceptable for both conservative religious groups the generally more secular residents currently in these NJ towns.

Ok, again, just because the minority became the majority and made some societal changes to support their conservative values doesn't make discrimination ok just because it makes you uncomfortable. Just use the pool at hours designated for you.

Discrimination is not ok but discrimination and segregation is also ok? Make up your mind

I'm saying the majority now ruling believes that genders should be separated. BTW Hasidics are not the only ones who do this. I think segregation is wrong but if I lived there I would have to fight it or move.

It still would not be right for me to discriminate to keep them off the school board or city government.

The law already has ways to handle the balance between religious accomodations and other interests. Allowing reasonable accomodations in the form of say a few hours of gender-segregated pools, is totally fine as well as its done fairly.

That's not a reasonable accomodation and you would be up in arms, as would I, if fundamentalist Muslims enacted that in an American community. I am not afraid of menstruation.

Gender segregated pool hours are already upheld in many places as a religious accomodation, which is a neutral principle of civil rights laws.

And of course the fact that you disagree with a person’s religious beliefs doesn’t mean you can discriminate against them in hiring. How many times does this need to be repeated?

Exactly. Just because someone is a Reform Jew or any other religion does not mean they can be discriminated against.

Anti-discrimination laws generally apply to the government, employers, and providers of “public accomodations” (eg hotels and restaurants.) A religious group is of course free to discriminate as are individuals.

Of course. Every house is a religious institution, nobody is married, and no income is declared because it's a religious group.

are you saying because you believe negative tropes about jews that it’s ok to refuse to hire jews?

DP

More thankful than ever that I grew up in an environment where “trope” wasn’t misused with such regularity.

Can we just say stereotyping, since that’s what you’re opposed to? Why do you persist in using a co-opted word that’s less descriptive of what you’re apparently trying to say than “stereotype”?

ok, glad you’re getting to the heart of the matter

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very divisive cultural issue in NJ. I don't think most people on this thread understand the cultural dynamics at play unless they have lived in NJ at some point. Many people are very scared that a large influx of a population with very different social viewpoints (than the current residents) will create an environment that is hostile to their general way of life. People are also concerned about potential risks to women's rights due to religious beliefs regarding gender segregation. There are literally pools in NJ now that have mens only and women's only swimming hours (or even entire days). I am not sure what the solution is, but it will be very challenging to find a solution that is acceptable for both conservative religious groups the generally more secular residents currently in these NJ towns.

Ok, again, just because the minority became the majority and made some societal changes to support their conservative values doesn't make discrimination ok just because it makes you uncomfortable. Just use the pool at hours designated for you.

Discrimination is not ok but discrimination and segregation is also ok? Make up your mind

I'm saying the majority now ruling believes that genders should be separated. BTW Hasidics are not the only ones who do this. I think segregation is wrong but if I lived there I would have to fight it or move.

It still would not be right for me to discriminate to keep them off the school board or city government.

The law already has ways to handle the balance between religious accomodations and other interests. Allowing reasonable accomodations in the form of say a few hours of gender-segregated pools, is totally fine as well as its done fairly.

That's not a reasonable accomodation and you would be up in arms, as would I, if fundamentalist Muslims enacted that in an American community. I am not afraid of menstruation.

Gender segregated pool hours are already upheld in many places as a religious accomodation, which is a neutral principle of civil rights laws.

And of course the fact that you disagree with a person’s religious beliefs doesn’t mean you can discriminate against them in hiring. How many times does this need to be repeated?

Exactly. Just because someone is a Reform Jew or any other religion does not mean they can be discriminated against.

Anti-discrimination laws generally apply to the government, employers, and providers of “public accomodations” (eg hotels and restaurants.) A religious group is of course free to discriminate as are individuals.

Of course. Every house is a religious institution, nobody is married, and no income is declared because it's a religious group.

are you saying because you believe negative tropes about jews that it’s ok to refuse to hire jews?

Not Jews. A supremacist religious fundamentalist sub sect no different than the Taliban, Westboro Baptist Church, or FLDS.

Those things are also all true for this fundamentalist offshoot.

How can or should the broader community of Rockland County counter this group in a way that's acceptable to you?

+1. Many of these PPs have no problem screaming down Westboro Baptist Church, Mormon groups, Branch Davidians, or similarly extremist lunatics, but when it comes to the extremist Hasidim, they are appalled.
As a private employer, I would never hire any of the above. Religious extremism in all of its forms is detrimental to a democratic, educated society. And the Hasidim have proved again and again that they are intent on destroying it.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very divisive cultural issue in NJ. I don't think most people on this thread understand the cultural dynamics at play unless they have lived in NJ at some point. Many people are very scared that a large influx of a population with very different social viewpoints (than the current residents) will create an environment that is hostile to their general way of life. People are also concerned about potential risks to women's rights due to religious beliefs regarding gender segregation. There are literally pools in NJ now that have mens only and women's only swimming hours (or even entire days). I am not sure what the solution is, but it will be very challenging to find a solution that is acceptable for both conservative religious groups the generally more secular residents currently in these NJ towns.

The minute any of these Hasidic groups moved into my community, I would run. They destroy everything that they touch, including public education and public services. It is absolutely disgusting

Like vermin, huh

Like religious fundamentalists who don't believe in education but instead of syphoning public funds for their own use. Like E Ramapo. So yes, I would absolutely f-ing run. https://www.thisamericanlife.org/534/a-not-so-simple-majority
You can pretend it doesn't happen but it is a hugely problematic issue for communities in NY/NJ - particularly underserved communities who don't have the means to fight for themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very divisive cultural issue in NJ. I don't think most people on this thread understand the cultural dynamics at play unless they have lived in NJ at some point. Many people are very scared that a large influx of a population with very different social viewpoints (than the current residents) will create an environment that is hostile to their general way of life. People are also concerned about potential risks to women's rights due to religious beliefs regarding gender segregation. There are literally pools in NJ now that have mens only and women's only swimming hours (or even entire days). I am not sure what the solution is, but it will be very challenging to find a solution that is acceptable for both conservative religious groups the generally more secular residents currently in these NJ towns.

Ok, again, just because the minority became the majority and made some societal changes to support their conservative values doesn't make discrimination ok just because it makes you uncomfortable. Just use the pool at hours designated for you.

Discrimination is not ok but discrimination and segregation is also ok? Make up your mind

I'm saying the majority now ruling believes that genders should be separated. BTW Hasidics are not the only ones who do this. I think segregation is wrong but if I lived there I would have to fight it or move.

It still would not be right for me to discriminate to keep them off the school board or city government.

The law already has ways to handle the balance between religious accomodations and other interests. Allowing reasonable accomodations in the form of say a few hours of gender-segregated pools, is totally fine as well as its done fairly.

That's not a reasonable accomodation and you would be up in arms, as would I, if fundamentalist Muslims enacted that in an American community. I am not afraid of menstruation.

Gender segregated pool hours are already upheld in many places as a religious accomodation, which is a neutral principle of civil rights laws.

And of course the fact that you disagree with a person’s religious beliefs doesn’t mean you can discriminate against them in hiring. How many times does this need to be repeated?

Exactly. Just because someone is a Reform Jew or any other religion does not mean they can be discriminated against.

Anti-discrimination laws generally apply to the government, employers, and providers of “public accomodations” (eg hotels and restaurants.) A religious group is of course free to discriminate as are individuals.

Of course. Every house is a religious institution, nobody is married, and no income is declared because it's a religious group.

are you saying because you believe negative tropes about jews that it’s ok to refuse to hire jews?

Not Jews. A supremacist religious fundamentalist sub sect no different than the Taliban, Westboro Baptist Church, or FLDS.

Those things are also all true for this fundamentalist offshoot.

How can or should the broader community of Rockland County counter this group in a way that's acceptable to you?

This isn’t about Rockland County. The story is about a city in New Jersey.

as far as the “broader community counterinf the Jews” well I think that’s obviously a deeply problematic way to put it. nobody owns a community. the Hasidic people who move in and bring their customs have as much a right to be there as anyone. The fact that you disapprove or dislike them doesn’t give you the authority to “counter” them. When it comes to things like public institutions, it’s always give and take with different interest groups. You don’t just get to have things the way you want them because you dislike change.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very divisive cultural issue in NJ. I don't think most people on this thread understand the cultural dynamics at play unless they have lived in NJ at some point. Many people are very scared that a large influx of a population with very different social viewpoints (than the current residents) will create an environment that is hostile to their general way of life. People are also concerned about potential risks to women's rights due to religious beliefs regarding gender segregation. There are literally pools in NJ now that have mens only and women's only swimming hours (or even entire days). I am not sure what the solution is, but it will be very challenging to find a solution that is acceptable for both conservative religious groups the generally more secular residents currently in these NJ towns.

Ok, again, just because the minority became the majority and made some societal changes to support their conservative values doesn't make discrimination ok just because it makes you uncomfortable. Just use the pool at hours designated for you.

Discrimination is not ok but discrimination and segregation is also ok? Make up your mind

I'm saying the majority now ruling believes that genders should be separated. BTW Hasidics are not the only ones who do this. I think segregation is wrong but if I lived there I would have to fight it or move.

It still would not be right for me to discriminate to keep them off the school board or city government.

The law already has ways to handle the balance between religious accomodations and other interests. Allowing reasonable accomodations in the form of say a few hours of gender-segregated pools, is totally fine as well as its done fairly.

That's not a reasonable accomodation and you would be up in arms, as would I, if fundamentalist Muslims enacted that in an American community. I am not afraid of menstruation.

Gender segregated pool hours are already upheld in many places as a religious accomodation, which is a neutral principle of civil rights laws.

And of course the fact that you disagree with a person’s religious beliefs doesn’t mean you can discriminate against them in hiring. How many times does this need to be repeated?

Exactly. Just because someone is a Reform Jew or any other religion does not mean they can be discriminated against.

Anti-discrimination laws generally apply to the government, employers, and providers of “public accomodations” (eg hotels and restaurants.) A religious group is of course free to discriminate as are individuals.

Of course. Every house is a religious institution, nobody is married, and no income is declared because it's a religious group.

are you saying because you believe negative tropes about jews that it’s ok to refuse to hire jews?

Not Jews. A supremacist religious fundamentalist sub sect no different than the Taliban, Westboro Baptist Church, or FLDS.

Those things are also all true for this fundamentalist offshoot.

How can or should the broader community of Rockland County counter this group in a way that's acceptable to you?

+1. Many of these PPs have no problem screaming down Westboro Baptist Church, Mormon groups, Branch Davidians, or similarly extremist lunatics, but when it comes to the extremist Hasidim, they are appalled.
As a private employer, I would never hire any of the above. Religious extremism in all of its forms is detrimental to a democratic, educated society. And the Hasidim have proved again and again that they are intent on destroying it.

Wow OK. That’s a bit extreme. Just because they send their kids to religious schools?

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very divisive cultural issue in NJ. I don't think most people on this thread understand the cultural dynamics at play unless they have lived in NJ at some point. Many people are very scared that a large influx of a population with very different social viewpoints (than the current residents) will create an environment that is hostile to their general way of life. People are also concerned about potential risks to women's rights due to religious beliefs regarding gender segregation. There are literally pools in NJ now that have mens only and women's only swimming hours (or even entire days). I am not sure what the solution is, but it will be very challenging to find a solution that is acceptable for both conservative religious groups the generally more secular residents currently in these NJ towns.

The minute any of these Hasidic groups moved into my community, I would run. They destroy everything that they touch, including public education and public services. It is absolutely disgusting

Like vermin, huh

Like religious fundamentalists who don't believe in education but instead of syphoning public funds for their own use. Like E Ramapo. So yes, I would absolutely f-ing run. https://www.thisamericanlife.org/534/a-not-so-simple-majority
You can pretend it doesn't happen but it is a hugely problematic issue for communities in NY/NJ - particularly underserved communities who don't have the means to fight for themselves.

How long will that 12 year old podcast episode get trotted out to defend rank antisemitism?

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very divisive cultural issue in NJ. I don't think most people on this thread understand the cultural dynamics at play unless they have lived in NJ at some point. Many people are very scared that a large influx of a population with very different social viewpoints (than the current residents) will create an environment that is hostile to their general way of life. People are also concerned about potential risks to women's rights due to religious beliefs regarding gender segregation. There are literally pools in NJ now that have mens only and women's only swimming hours (or even entire days). I am not sure what the solution is, but it will be very challenging to find a solution that is acceptable for both conservative religious groups the generally more secular residents currently in these NJ towns.

Ok, again, just because the minority became the majority and made some societal changes to support their conservative values doesn't make discrimination ok just because it makes you uncomfortable. Just use the pool at hours designated for you.

Discrimination is not ok but discrimination and segregation is also ok? Make up your mind

I'm saying the majority now ruling believes that genders should be separated. BTW Hasidics are not the only ones who do this. I think segregation is wrong but if I lived there I would have to fight it or move.

It still would not be right for me to discriminate to keep them off the school board or city government.

The law already has ways to handle the balance between religious accomodations and other interests. Allowing reasonable accomodations in the form of say a few hours of gender-segregated pools, is totally fine as well as its done fairly.

That's not a reasonable accomodation and you would be up in arms, as would I, if fundamentalist Muslims enacted that in an American community. I am not afraid of menstruation.

Gender segregated pool hours are already upheld in many places as a religious accomodation, which is a neutral principle of civil rights laws.

And of course the fact that you disagree with a person’s religious beliefs doesn’t mean you can discriminate against them in hiring. How many times does this need to be repeated?

Exactly. Just because someone is a Reform Jew or any other religion does not mean they can be discriminated against.

Anti-discrimination laws generally apply to the government, employers, and providers of “public accomodations” (eg hotels and restaurants.) A religious group is of course free to discriminate as are individuals.

Of course. Every house is a religious institution, nobody is married, and no income is declared because it's a religious group.

are you saying because you believe negative tropes about jews that it’s ok to refuse to hire jews?

Not Jews. A supremacist religious fundamentalist sub sect no different than the Taliban, Westboro Baptist Church, or FLDS.

Those things are also all true for this fundamentalist offshoot.

How can or should the broader community of Rockland County counter this group in a way that's acceptable to you?

+1. Many of these PPs have no problem screaming down Westboro Baptist Church, Mormon groups, Branch Davidians, or similarly extremist lunatics, but when it comes to the extremist Hasidim, they are appalled.
As a private employer, I would never hire any of the above. Religious extremism in all of its forms is detrimental to a democratic, educated society. And the Hasidim have proved again and again that they are intent on destroying it.

Wow OK. That’s a bit extreme. Just because they send their kids to religious schools?

You clearly have not been keeping up. Because Hasidim have purposefully taken over school boards to shut down public schools in low income areas thereby relieving their property tax. And because 99% of Hasidic boys and girls fail NY standardized tests in English and Math. Why? Because they do not teach substantive areas of education - only Torah. And you may have missed the horrible reports of abuse by on children and women.

This isn't just a "oh, they go to private schools". Dude, keep up.

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I am Jewish.
I grew up in a ultra orthodox home til I was around age 11. Some of my family are still in Ramapo.

I have zero problems with this thread.

"Like religious fundamentalists who don't believe in education but instead of siphoning public funds for their use" This is accurate.

Of course I hate some one saying they will not hire Jews. In my view a group of people who support Nazi loving Trump can not be Jews. My opinion as a Jew whose family died in the Holocaust, whose grandfather fought in the war against Germany. Whose family lost family members and homes, etc to the Nazi's.