Parents Self-Selecting Daughters with IVF

[Anonymous]

Obviously none of you went to a heavily female university. When males are scarce their behavior toward women gets even worse. Think your daughter will enjoy being part of some guys harem?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Obviously none of you went to a heavily female university. When males are scarce their behavior toward women gets even worse. Think your daughter will enjoy being part of some guys harem?

There are already way fewer quality men than quality women. Lots of women get stuck being a life partner to some useless sperm donor bc it’s their only chance at having a socially acceptable family. I think we should move towards the nick cannon model where high earning high achieving men have children with lots of women and the 90% of men who are useless as husbands/fathers/partners don’t have kids with anyone and don’t make anyone miserable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obviously none of you went to a heavily female university. When males are scarce their behavior toward women gets even worse. Think your daughter will enjoy being part of some guys harem?

There are already way fewer quality men than quality women. Lots of women get stuck being a life partner to some useless sperm donor bc it’s their only chance at having a socially acceptable family. I think we should move towards the nick cannon model where high earning high achieving men have children with lots of women and the 90% of men who are useless as husbands/fathers/partners don’t have kids with anyone and don’t make anyone miserable.

Get rid of bigamy laws and you will have that. Everyone has far more female ancestors than male because back in the day the most powerful men would have hundreds of kids while the majority of other men just worked the salt mines.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obviously none of you went to a heavily female university. When males are scarce their behavior toward women gets even worse. Think your daughter will enjoy being part of some guys harem?

There are already way fewer quality men than quality women. Lots of women get stuck being a life partner to some useless sperm donor bc it’s their only chance at having a socially acceptable family. I think we should move towards the nick cannon model where high earning high achieving men have children with lots of women and the 90% of men who are useless as husbands/fathers/partners don’t have kids with anyone and don’t make anyone miserable.

This model is actually the default model across human history. It also has vastly poorer outcomes for women and children than monogamous marriage.

Cultures tend to impose a monogamous marriage model in order to avoid young unwed males, who tend to be wildly violent and destabilizing on society.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We would be better off with fewer men. See: crime statistics.

I am reporting these comments about incels and straight up misandry. I really hope karma comes for your children.

You are awful people.

- Mom to an amazing young man.

Whahhhhh. Cry harder no one cares.

We’d be better off without most men. Keep a few around for desirable reproduction, genetic diversity, entertainment and maybe sports, and cull the rest out. We’ll be fine without them.

Society doesn’t owe every incel loser his very own wife or girlfriend anymore.

You have mental health issues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have two boys and had hoped I would have only boys. I had a tough relationship with my mom and as teen and then lost her to cancer in my early 20s. It's probably not rationale but was afraid the same would happen to me if I had girls.

Anyway, my boys are (so far) kind and caring. They help around the house and have lots of empathy. I have tried to raise them that way. Hopefully it sticks. I think girls traditionally take care of their parents because that is what society has them do. Teach boys the social and emotional skills to do traditional girl tasks and they will do them.

I know you’d like to think this because it means you have a decent chance your sons will stick around and take care of you just like daughters.

But most women who have had children have lived with a man post childbirth and seen the utter incompetence and inability to care for someone else.

Yes, they can do something when asked but most men are missing the ability to think of someone else first and not prioritize their own comfort. Just like every mom I know has had their husband complain about the comfort of the chair in the hospital delivery room. No woman would go to the childbirth of another woman and complain about their own comfort.

Men tend to look out for #1. It’s not their parents.

Pp with two boys here. My husband took 2 months off with both boys (and another month when I went back to work). He 100% took of me and the baby. He is by no means perfect and does plenty of things to annoy me but he certainly took care of me when I recovered from child birth and whenever I am sick.

My brother is the same way with his wife. Again not perfect and I am sure he annoys her plenty but overall not selfish.

My brother actually takes care of my dad now (they love close to each other and I live 2k miles away). My husband flies home every few months to make sure everything his mom needs around the house is taken care of.

Again, I am not saying I live in some fantasy world but there are men capable of taking care of people and hopefully those men will raise men who will have those same traits.

[Anonymous]

Pro-choicers’ brave new world has arrived.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have two boys and had hoped I would have only boys. I had a tough relationship with my mom and as teen and then lost her to cancer in my early 20s. It's probably not rationale but was afraid the same would happen to me if I had girls.

Anyway, my boys are (so far) kind and caring. They help around the house and have lots of empathy. I have tried to raise them that way. Hopefully it sticks. I think girls traditionally take care of their parents because that is what society has them do. Teach boys the social and emotional skills to do traditional girl tasks and they will do them.

I know you’d like to think this because it means you have a decent chance your sons will stick around and take care of you just like daughters.

But most women who have had children have lived with a man post childbirth and seen the utter incompetence and inability to care for someone else.

Yes, they can do something when asked but most men are missing the ability to think of someone else first and not prioritize their own comfort. Just like every mom I know has had their husband complain about the comfort of the chair in the hospital delivery room. No woman would go to the childbirth of another woman and complain about their own comfort.

Men tend to look out for #1. It’s not their parents.

Pp with two boys here. My husband took 2 months off with both boys (and another month when I went back to work). He 100% took of me and the baby. He is by no means perfect and does plenty of things to annoy me but he certainly took care of me when I recovered from child birth and whenever I am sick.

My brother is the same way with his wife. Again not perfect and I am sure he annoys her plenty but overall not selfish.

My brother actually takes care of my dad now (they love close to each other and I live 2k miles away). My husband flies home every few months to make sure everything his mom needs around the house is taken care of.

Again, I am not saying I live in some fantasy world but there are men capable of taking care of people and hopefully those men will raise men who will have those same traits.

+1

It was my dad, not my aunt who cared for my grandma in the last years of her life. And my DH, not his sister, who was closest to his mom (he was by her side through much of her cancer treatment before she died). We are raising boys now and they are sweet and caring.

It’s normal in our home for males to cook, do chores, take care of others when sick, etc. and they know that mom has a career too. We don’t do gender stereotypes in our home. Everyone chips in to help.

Honestly I love having boys. They are fun, silly, affectionate, etc. and I know a lot of other parents also raising kind boys.

We need to raise better men, not get rid of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obviously none of you went to a heavily female university. When males are scarce their behavior toward women gets even worse. Think your daughter will enjoy being part of some guys harem?

There are already way fewer quality men than quality women. Lots of women get stuck being a life partner to some useless sperm donor bc it’s their only chance at having a socially acceptable family. I think we should move towards the nick cannon model where high earning high achieving men have children with lots of women and the 90% of men who are useless as husbands/fathers/partners don’t have kids with anyone and don’t make anyone miserable.

I'm pretty sure that model breeds a lot of angry males who can't get a female. It causes higher crime and social unrest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Pro-choicers’ brave new world has arrived.

How so? Anti-choicers are making safe abortions illegal.

[Anonymous]

It’s pretty messed up to do this for a girl when you already have boys as a way to try and plan for your care when elderly. It just seems like you would be raising your boys with assumed freedom from family responsibility and for your daughter to grow up feeling tethered to you as your assumption is that she will provide emotional or even physical support when you are old. Even if might not say it outright, these beliefs will impact your kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s pretty messed up to do this for a girl when you already have boys as a way to try and plan for your care when elderly. It just seems like you would be raising your boys with assumed freedom from family responsibility and for your daughter to grow up feeling tethered to you as your assumption is that she will provide emotional or even physical support when you are old. Even if might not say it outright, these beliefs will impact your kids.

Agreed, it’s so creepy. Reminds me of that book, Never Let Me Go; these girls are being birthed to be caregiving bodies for their parents. So, so sexist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Personally I think it's sexist, but I don't think it should be banned. However the subjects that they found for this article are insufferable. I almost have to believe it's satire because no self-respecting person would publicly have these opinions published.

https://slate.com/technology/2024/05/ivf-daughters-toxic-masculinity-sex-selection.html

This must be being pushed by the cat food lobby.

[Anonymous]

I have mixed feelings on this.

On one hand, the whole part about how there are so many unpredicitable things in parenthood/life. If you can control some aspect of it, and have the money to do IVF, then more power to you, I guess (though there's a special place in hell for the couple that got their insurance to pay for it by being dishonest about their reasons).

On the other hand, it's not like all boys will turn into wild feral children, who eventually turn into toxic men. There are good men out there, just like there are toxic women as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a mother of only girls, I am concerned about them finding worthy men to marry.

Same. The odds are good but the goods are odd.