Spouse wants me to cut contact with my mom

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Your mother likely is mentally ill &/or has a personality disorder. Plan accordingly.

She is not going to follow safety rules with the kids and should never be left alone with them again imo.

The NAMI Family to Family course is free, online and would likely be very helpful & informative to you.


This.
And it would be good if you AND your DH would look into this course together, OP….if only for the sake of your relationship.
He doesn’t need to have any contact with your mom.
But you can choose to have contact with her and supervise any child visits with her from now on. DH can just be “busy” if he wants. That’s all.

Also—I am not excusing her behavior—-but there is an *explanation* for it that does not malice on her part, which is simply that she is from a generation that did not emphasize child safety or view “popping down to the store for a quick pack of cigarettes while the child is ‘safely’ in their crib as any sort of risk.” IMO it’s a seriously limited view of risk that fails to consider the helplessness of a child in case of some unlikely catastrophe like a fire or a break-in…and our generation (and probably most of hers at this point!) would look at this TODAY and be like “is she crazy?!?! How could she leave a baby alone?!?!”
Her rationale (and reasoning for why she is so casual about it and still probably doesn’t “get it”) is that the baby is fine—nothing happened—what’s the big deal??—right? But that’s only because her internal risk assessment mechanism told her that the risk of anything negative happening when a baby is asleep in his/her crib is so ridiculously teeny tiny as to be a non-consideration.
But your position is that if it’s even a small possibility, then the risk is too great and she should have known better.

You aren’t wrong.
You just did not align your expectations (not your fault if you were just thinking “obviously she wouldn’t LEAVE the house without the baby!! Duh!”)—but I di t think it’s worth cutting her out of your life completely.

And full disclaimer: I once made a split-second decision to leave my sleeping toddler in his crib to go fetch my kindergartener off the bus about a block away because I lost track of time and would have missed meeting the bus if I had taken the time to awaken toddler from his nap before running out the door to meet other DC. I was 100% wracked with guilt all the way to the bus and back—and I was very very lucky that toddler did not awaken before we returned (less than 10 minutes later). In my own self assessment, this was a terrible judgment call because no matter how I justify it, she was by himself. And even though Kindergartner would have been upset, there was no risk of safety as Kindergartner would have stayed on the bus.
Anonymous
She is nasty to your DH and his family. I can see why he doesn't want to be around her. Despite many clear signs that she isn't a safe person, you left an infant child alone with her. Did your DH know and consent to the infant being left with her or was that your bad judgment?

I don't think your DH ever needs to see her again. You can visit with her and the kids but should never leave them alone with her and need to leave if she starts badmouthing your DH and his family. If you want to tolerate her abuse, that is on you but your DH and kids shouldn't be exposed to that.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I mean your mom sounds awful and it’s of course not okay to leave a sleeping baby alone. She should never be alone with the kids again. On cutting her off, I don’t know, I’d get some therapy. Would your DH never seeing her again be sufficient, could you go see your family alone with the kid?


OP here. My mom would never go to therapy. She thinks it’s for weak people with made up problems.


Therapy for YOU, OP. We cannot control or change other people, only ourselves.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Your mom sounds toxic but it seems you are mainly ashamed of her because of your sensitive husband and well off in laws. Do what makes your life easier. You can't ruin your child's childhood trying to be a referee between your mom and your husband.



OP here. No. We have many issues since my parents divorced and we moved with her and my stepdad.

My mom was emotionally, verbally, and physically abusive. She called my sisters and I a B and a sl*t growing up.

My in-laws are of well off. She’s just jealous that my MIL have had a real close relationship.


I thought you were only in contact because of your dad? If they are divorced, why not go no or low contact with her?

WHY would you leave an infant in the care of the person you described above? Find other childcare, OP. You are enabling her to abuse and neglect a child. Get some therapy, YOU are FAILING your child.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Never let a man isolate you from friends or family.


Haha based on what OP described, I'd welcome any excuse to cut off this kind of parent. Though I'd probably just do it myself.
Anonymous
Whats your plan in a couple years when your mom tells your kid all this stuff? You need therapy. Btw, I grew up with a mom like yours. After I had DS, I really realized her toxicity. I didn't want DS to be threatened, manipulated, yelled at, and be called names. Nor did I want him to hear her say things about me or DH. I also had the same concern about my dad, who was sick and definitely wouldn't be able to see me without her.

After a particularly brutal exchange with her, I told her to either get therapy or DS wasn't allowed around her and the only reason I would see her was because of my dad. I got therapy. She refused for about 6 months (she was adamant she didn't have a problem). During those 6 months, I saw them solo. If she acted up, I left. She finally got therapy and meds and when I saw positive results, I brought DS around more. My dad died when DS was 6 and I think it was a wake up call to my mom. He's 11 now and has done pretty much a 180 from her behavior when I was a kid. My own work in therapy helped me learn how not to escalate things too. DH tolerates her. He was very protective of me in the years before therapy and I think he has had a hard time fully forgiving her
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What did she do?


OP here.

Back history - She told everyone my now husband was going to cheat and leave me because he asked for a prenup. She told a lot of my family members and she was almost disinvited to our wedding.

Recent - She left our young infant child alone while sleeping for 10-15 minutes to grab herself coffee and lunch.

We gave her access to our DD for her to order food and coffee for lunch. Instead she decided to not use it and just went a block down to grab it.

She acted as if it was no big deal. We only found out because she told us she liked the restaurants food and she said she just picked it up because she needed to grab coffee from DD.

Husband said he doesn’t want her to have any contact with our child.


Well, obviously babysitting again is out of the question, like, ever. But cutting all contact forever also seems extreme. I'd tell your mom you need a cooling off period of time and let your husband cool down a bit himself.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:OP, I'd suggest considering if you traded one controlling/abusive person for another?

Of course he can have an opinion about the child's safety and well being but he cannot unilaterally make decisions like that for you.


He isn't making the decision for OP, he is making it for his child. He is holding a boundary, which bravo for him, no one needs that in their life and I usually very pro- MIL.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:He is right to be concerned. Once your child gets older and more perceptive, do you really want him/her to be around this toxicity?


OP here. I guess the consensus is to cut her off fully from my child.

I’m just more forgiving and willing to look past things. I don’t like drama or fighting.

My sister does limit contact because my mom hates her BF and she has said terrible things to my niece about her dad.


Weird how you reply to 5+ posters so tone deaf and drop odd Easter eggs.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:When is Op going to admit her 100s of “follow up posts” are totally insane and trollish?

+1. Doubling down in nonsense.

Just like all their other troll posts all year.

Lame
Anonymous
Definitely do not let her watch your child again.
Possibly forever.

I can understand why your husband cannot stand your Mother - it appears she enjoys making his life miserable.

You have a responsibility now to your current family.
You need to take a stand against your Mother.
In no uncertain terms >> she is to respect your husband and your marriage.

No exceptions.
If she cannot or will not do this, then you will cut her out of your life for good.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Your mom sounds toxic but it seems you are mainly ashamed of her because of your sensitive husband and well off in laws. Do what makes your life easier. You can't ruin your child's childhood trying to be a referee between your mom and your husband.



OP here. No. We have many issues since my parents divorced and we moved with her and my stepdad.

My mom was emotionally, verbally, and physically abusive. She called my sisters and I a B and a sl*t growing up.

My in-laws are of well off. She’s just jealous that my MIL have had a real close relationship.


I thought you were only in contact because of your dad? If they are divorced, why not go no or low contact with her?

WHY would you leave an infant in the care of the person you described above? Find other childcare, OP. You are enabling her to abuse and neglect a child. Get some therapy, YOU are FAILING your child.


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Wow, just wow.

The amount of victim blaming here is outrageous!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Never let a man isolate you from friends or family.


OP's husband sounds like he's the sane one here.


Np.

I agree.

From OP’s description, it appears likely her mom likely has undiagnosed borderline personality disorder.
Anonymous
No contact at all, I would safe for extreme cases. I would start with they are never left unattended with your kids ever and reduced visits. Then reduce to only contact with you if issues persist. Then no in person contact with you. Then no contact at all.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:OP, why even start this thread? You hate your mom.


+1
It seems like you've already made up your mind
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