Tom Cruise’s free pass

[Anonymous]

I hate how Nicole and Tom's children together are always referred to as adopted. I know several families who have adopted children and they consider them their children, not their adopted children.

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Anonymous wrote:How is it that Tim Cruise has managed to avoid the stink of being a father that abandoned his child? It doesn’t seem like any other major celebrity could not see their child for a decade, through that kid’s entire childhood, and still do interviews where no one asks about it and do hit movie after movie. No one ever asks him about it and it is just so weird that he walked away from a 5 yr old kid forever.

He's a piece of sh-- for a LOT of reasons, and I never understand why anyone gives him airtime. Katie and Suri should thank their lucky stars he leaves them alone. Whackjob.

[Anonymous]

PP is wrong that he dumped Penelope Cruz. She has talked about this and basically said they were set up and went on some dates but once she realized Scientology was part of the deal she said no thank you. She doesn’t strike me as the type to keep her mouth shut.

I think Nicole’s real problem is that she stayed too long. She was really a relative unknown when she married him and I think was just totally swept up for too longs. Back then people really didn’t know how toxic Scientology is — I always consumed them with Christian scientists. It was before all the documentaries and the whistleblowers. By the time she left her kids were already indoctrinated and would have told a judge they wanted to stay with their dad. And I’m sure she was too open in her audits and they had all sorts of blackmail on her.

Katie had several advantages —- a strong family of origin including a dad who is a good attorney, a lot more background knowledge about the whole Scientology scene (so if she was audited she probably wisely limited it to really boring stuff), and a kid who was still too young to voice her opinion before a court. So she traded her inside knowledge about Tom and Scientology (she clearly was making copies and collecting evidence) for exclusive rights to her kids. I bet they have a mutual NDA and so the interviewers are all informed that they can’t ask Tom about Katie or Suri or interview will be terminated.

I actually bet Tom was a great dad when they were together. He seemed really into being a father and was very doting plus he’s well known as being a lot of fun to be around. He was probably a nightmare husband because he’s a total control freak. Remember the stories about how he bought an ultrasound machine so they could just ultrasound Katie whenever when she was pregnant? That’s a level of involvement that would get old really fast — she couldn’t even have her uterus to herself!

I’m sure Suri has a ton of questions….really wonder what Katie tells her. I think that would be a really tough position for a mom to be in.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought it was widely known that he’s not not really the father, and that Josh Hartnett was!?

If that was the case it would have been a very easy way to disentangle herself from Tom. She wouldn't have needed to do all the cloak and dagger stuff to get out of the marriage.

Tom legally adopted her... just like all kid other kids. He's not impregnating anyone!

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Anonymous wrote:Please. Katie and her daughter are lucky he’s not after them.

It was part of the divorce arrangement.

Her father helped rescue her and Suri from the Scientology nuts.

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Anonymous wrote:Bella has repeated said they have a relationship with Nicole and uses her name everyone once in awhile. Nicole flat out said they have chosen to scientologists and she loves them unconditional. I don't think they're close but do check in everyone in awhile.

Bella seems somewhat estranged from both of her parents. Tom didn’t attend her wedding, and I don’t think they’ve been pictured together in years. I almost wonder if she quietly left Scientology.

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Anonymous wrote:PP is wrong that he dumped Penelope Cruz. She has talked about this and basically said they were set up and went on some dates but once she realized Scientology was part of the deal she said no thank you. She doesn’t strike me as the type to keep her mouth shut.

I think Nicole’s real problem is that she stayed too long. She was really a relative unknown when she married him and I think was just totally swept up for too longs. Back then people really didn’t know how toxic Scientology is — I always consumed them with Christian scientists. It was before all the documentaries and the whistleblowers. By the time she left her kids were already indoctrinated and would have told a judge they wanted to stay with their dad. And I’m sure she was too open in her audits and they had all sorts of blackmail on her.

Katie had several advantages —- a strong family of origin including a dad who is a good attorney, a lot more background knowledge about the whole Scientology scene (so if she was audited she probably wisely limited it to really boring stuff), and a kid who was still too young to voice her opinion before a court. So she traded her inside knowledge about Tom and Scientology (she clearly was making copies and collecting evidence) for exclusive rights to her kids. I bet they have a mutual NDA and so the interviewers are all informed that they can’t ask Tom about Katie or Suri or interview will be terminated.

I actually bet Tom was a great dad when they were together. He seemed really into being a father and was very doting plus he’s well known as being a lot of fun to be around. He was probably a nightmare husband because he’s a total control freak. Remember the stories about how he bought an ultrasound machine so they could just ultrasound Katie whenever when she was pregnant? That’s a level of involvement that would get old really fast — she couldn’t even have her uterus to herself!

I’m sure Suri has a ton of questions….really wonder what Katie tells her. I think that would be a really tough position for a mom to be in.

It’s been a while since I’ve watched the Scientology documentary, but from what I recall, when Tom met Nicole, he wasn’t ALL IN with Scientology yet. He was taking classes and doing auditing and was losing interest because Nicole wasn’t interested in joining.

I followed Katie Holmes closely before she got with Tom Cruise, and while I’m glad she escaped, she went far down the coocoo rabbit hole. She was surrounded by Scientology handlers constantly, and spoke glowingly about the “religion” often.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have always given a lot more thought about how in the world Nicole Kidman walked away from her children. I get that Tom Cruise brainwashed them, but had that been me, I would not have stopped at anything to get my children back. She could have raised hell in the legal system and in the press, and she chose not to. That honestly says a lot about her.

Obviously, I think the same about Tom Cruise and Suri, but Katie Holmes probably has a lot of dirt on Tom Cruise - enough to scare him into silence. A terrible father, though, no doubt.

+1 I suspect she didn’t put up a fight because they are adopted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP is wrong that he dumped Penelope Cruz. She has talked about this and basically said they were set up and went on some dates but once she realized Scientology was part of the deal she said no thank you. She doesn’t strike me as the type to keep her mouth shut.

I think Nicole’s real problem is that she stayed too long. She was really a relative unknown when she married him and I think was just totally swept up for too longs. Back then people really didn’t know how toxic Scientology is — I always consumed them with Christian scientists. It was before all the documentaries and the whistleblowers. By the time she left her kids were already indoctrinated and would have told a judge they wanted to stay with their dad. And I’m sure she was too open in her audits and they had all sorts of blackmail on her.

Katie had several advantages —- a strong family of origin including a dad who is a good attorney, a lot more background knowledge about the whole Scientology scene (so if she was audited she probably wisely limited it to really boring stuff), and a kid who was still too young to voice her opinion before a court. So she traded her inside knowledge about Tom and Scientology (she clearly was making copies and collecting evidence) for exclusive rights to her kids. I bet they have a mutual NDA and so the interviewers are all informed that they can’t ask Tom about Katie or Suri or interview will be terminated.

I actually bet Tom was a great dad when they were together. He seemed really into being a father and was very doting plus he’s well known as being a lot of fun to be around. He was probably a nightmare husband because he’s a total control freak. Remember the stories about how he bought an ultrasound machine so they could just ultrasound Katie whenever when she was pregnant? That’s a level of involvement that would get old really fast — she couldn’t even have her uterus to herself!

I’m sure Suri has a ton of questions….really wonder what Katie tells her. I think that would be a really tough position for a mom to be in.

Agree with everything here. My bet is Tom and Suri do have some type of relationship. Maybe phone based. Maybe they see each other once or twice a year.

[Anonymous]

I’ve always suspected she got advice from Nicole. Especially about getting a burner phone. Tom and Scientology were tapping Nicoles’s phone. Couldn’t do that with a phone they didn’t know about.

[Anonymous]

He did not get a pass, his career was significantly effected for years. He has leaned heavily on Mission Impossible for the last decade.

What changed in the last few years was the movie industry almost collapsing in on itself from COVID. Despite his substantial personal issues, he has always been MR MOVIE STAR. He is committed to making big films on the big screen and he works extremely hard when he's on set. He's in the trenches and freakishly committed. His work ethic is famous.

And when he had Top Gun 2 ready to roll mid pandemic he refused to send it to streaming. He held onto it for like over a year refusing to cave to the demands to push it to streamers 110% committed to a theatrical release. And it became the first real post COVID blockbuster literally saving some theaters and reigniting the theatrical release business concept as it was teetering on the edge of caving to streamers. It paved the way for Barbenheimer, which he ALSO strenuously promoted, taking pictures of himself going to both movies.

All of this probably seems irrelevant or like I'm slavering over Tom Cruise. I think he's repellent as a human. But he also positioned himself as like 'the savior of the movie industry' post COVID and then actually kinda sorta DID that and so in the industry that went a long long long long way towards Hollywood accepting his renormalization in the public eye.

He will never be 1999 Tom Cruise again though. But the last four years he made up with Hollywood so his career will likely be up up up for however long he wants it to be.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have always given a lot more thought about how in the world Nicole Kidman walked away from her children. I get that Tom Cruise brainwashed them, but had that been me, I would not have stopped at anything to get my children back. She could have raised hell in the legal system and in the press, and she chose not to. That honestly says a lot about her.

Obviously, I think the same about Tom Cruise and Suri, but Katie Holmes probably has a lot of dirt on Tom Cruise - enough to scare him into silence. A terrible father, though, no doubt.

+1 I suspect she didn’t put up a fight because they are adopted.

Well, that only makes her a worse human being. She didn't fight for them because they weren't biologically hers? And to the other poster who said she gave up because she didn't have resources, seriously? I don't personally know any mother that would abandon her children in that way, even against insurmountable odds. Do you?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have always given a lot more thought about how in the world Nicole Kidman walked away from her children. I get that Tom Cruise brainwashed them, but had that been me, I would not have stopped at anything to get my children back. She could have raised hell in the legal system and in the press, and she chose not to. That honestly says a lot about her.

Obviously, I think the same about Tom Cruise and Suri, but Katie Holmes probably has a lot of dirt on Tom Cruise - enough to scare him into silence. A terrible father, though, no doubt.

+1 I suspect she didn’t put up a fight because they are adopted.

Well, that only makes her a worse human being. She didn't fight for them because they weren't biologically hers? And to the other poster who said she gave up because she didn't have resources, seriously? I don't personally know any mother that would abandon her children in that way, even against insurmountable odds. Do you?

You should listen to the song "What it's Like" by Everlast. People have to make terrible difficult choices all the time.

But I would argue that we have very little insight into her relationships or lack thereof with those kids and have no knowledge of how much she has in fact fought to reunite with them and extract them from the cult.

But plenty of parents have lost children to cults and addiction and had to eventually separate themselves to survive.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have always given a lot more thought about how in the world Nicole Kidman walked away from her children. I get that Tom Cruise brainwashed them, but had that been me, I would not have stopped at anything to get my children back. She could have raised hell in the legal system and in the press, and she chose not to. That honestly says a lot about her.

Obviously, I think the same about Tom Cruise and Suri, but Katie Holmes probably has a lot of dirt on Tom Cruise - enough to scare him into silence. A terrible father, though, no doubt.

+1 I suspect she didn’t put up a fight because they are adopted.

Well, that only makes her a worse human being. She didn't fight for them because they weren't biologically hers? And to the other poster who said she gave up because she didn't have resources, seriously? I don't personally know any mother that would abandon her children in that way, even against insurmountable odds. Do you?

You realize that you are responding so passionately to a random nobody’s gossipy speculation, don’t you?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please. Katie and her daughter are lucky he’s not after them.

It was part of the divorce arrangement.

Her father helped rescue her and Suri from the Scientology nuts.

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