Tom Cruise’s free pass

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sure it's because it's a good thing that they got out. Him abandoning his daughter in the long run is good for the daughter. I am really, really disappointed in Nicole Kidman for not getting her adopted children out and basically abandoning them. I'm actually surprised that she doesn't get asked about them. I think no one wants to get the attention of the scientologists.

She has said she is always their mother and that she welcomes them. I think that was her message to them that she'll take them in if they want to escape the cult. I often think of how painful that experience must have been for her. That's likely why Katie decided to get her child out early.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m sure Tom’s people establish clear rules when it comes to interviews, and people are simply not allowed to ask about Suri.

I suspect Katie agreed to an NDA on Tom, their relationship, etc. in order to get a payout and the kid. I suspect there are clauses that give her an out (meaning if he says or does certain things—like publicly comment on her—then the nda is voided).

That’s the only explanation for why it’s been so quiet for all these years.

Yes, most likely. Katie signed a document that said she would not be photographed with another man in public for X amount of time to protect Tom's image. You can see that she was not photographed in public with a man for a long time.

Eventually, photos leaked of her with a boyfriend in a recording studio.

Back when this all happened, I was very curious how Katie escaped Scientology and followed the story.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think Tom has ASD but he does have that personality type you often see in addicts. Very charismatic but takes things to extremes — often when an addict gets off the booze, they go full in on something like religion, exercise, diet, etc. some people just like living in an extreme version. He seems to be that way with both work and Scientology.

But I think everyone realizes he didn’t abandon Suri— Katie rescued her. And I would bet that the divorce decree traded an iron clad NDA for Katie for her getting 100% control over Suri with very limited access for him. After what he did to Nicole w/r/t the kid, she knew there was no such thing as shared custody. Suri just turned 18, I think, so I’m wondering if/when either she or Katie will speak out about all this. Eventually one or the other will likely say something. It’s always been a little weird to me that Nicole doesn’t say more.

Nicole has never said more so she could leave the door open to have a relationship with her children.

She basically abandoned them though, right? Haven’t the kids spoken out and said something to that effect? I understand her needing to get away from Tom, but I don’t ever think I’ll understand how she just left her kids with him and then created a new family with Keith Urban.

If you believe her kids, then you know zilch about how Scientology works. Tom's oldest two children are going to say whatever Scientology tells them to say, and they will gladly and willingly disparage Nicole.

The only reason Nicole is not attacked by Scientology is because she is following their rules by not talking about the details.

You can see how Scientology goes through people's trash and tried to destroy the lives of IRS employees by revealing their extramarital affairs and alcoholism, etc. Their leader said you must do anything -- even destroy people's reputations -- to get your way.

You can learn about this in the documentary by Scientology's former director of PR (and personal attacks) and Leah Remini.

[Anonymous]

My spouse visited Scientology offices in California. He wrote a fake name down in the guest book. A few months later, he received snail mail that thanked him for visiting the offices...

They must have a way to scan your credit card or driver's license to get your name.

They are a scary organization. They only got nonprofit status by threatening IRS employees until the nonprofit status was given, and now they are able to be a tax-free organization.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have always given a lot more thought about how in the world Nicole Kidman walked away from her children. I get that Tom Cruise brainwashed them, but had that been me, I would not have stopped at anything to get my children back. She could have raised hell in the legal system and in the press, and she chose not to. That honestly says a lot about her.

Obviously, I think the same about Tom Cruise and Suri, but Katie Holmes probably has a lot of dirt on Tom Cruise - enough to scare him into silence. A terrible father, though, no doubt.

+1 I suspect she didn’t put up a fight because they are adopted.

Well, that only makes her a worse human being. She didn't fight for them because they weren't biologically hers? And to the other poster who said she gave up because she didn't have resources, seriously? I don't personally know any mother that would abandon her children in that way, even against insurmountable odds. Do you?

You should watch Going Clear.

If your children reject you, what is a parent to do other than let them know her door is always open to them?

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have always given a lot more thought about how in the world Nicole Kidman walked away from her children. I get that Tom Cruise brainwashed them, but had that been me, I would not have stopped at anything to get my children back. She could have raised hell in the legal system and in the press, and she chose not to. That honestly says a lot about her.

Obviously, I think the same about Tom Cruise and Suri, but Katie Holmes probably has a lot of dirt on Tom Cruise - enough to scare him into silence. A terrible father, though, no doubt.

+1 I suspect she didn’t put up a fight because they are adopted.

Well, that only makes her a worse human being. She didn't fight for them because they weren't biologically hers? And to the other poster who said she gave up because she didn't have resources, seriously? I don't personally know any mother that would abandon her children in that way, even against insurmountable odds. Do you?

You should watch Going Clear.

If your children reject you, what is a parent to do other than let them know her door is always open to them?

I may be mis-remembering, but they were pretty young when they divorced. She could have fought tooth and nail for visitation rights, which any judge would have granted. The only reason she wouldn't is if she had admitted in some sort of Scientology session (can't remember what these are called) that she abused them or something?

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have always given a lot more thought about how in the world Nicole Kidman walked away from her children. I get that Tom Cruise brainwashed them, but had that been me, I would not have stopped at anything to get my children back. She could have raised hell in the legal system and in the press, and she chose not to. That honestly says a lot about her.

Obviously, I think the same about Tom Cruise and Suri, but Katie Holmes probably has a lot of dirt on Tom Cruise - enough to scare him into silence. A terrible father, though, no doubt.

+1 I suspect she didn’t put up a fight because they are adopted.

Well, that only makes her a worse human being. She didn't fight for them because they weren't biologically hers? And to the other poster who said she gave up because she didn't have resources, seriously? I don't personally know any mother that would abandon her children in that way, even against insurmountable odds. Do you?

You should watch Going Clear.

If your children reject you, what is a parent to do other than let them know her door is always open to them?

I may be mis-remembering, but they were pretty young when they divorced. She could have fought tooth and nail for visitation rights, which any judge would have granted. The only reason she wouldn't is if she had admitted in some sort of Scientology session (can't remember what these are called) that she abused them or something?

They were young. She brought her daughter to the Oscar’s—the year she one—I think that was after the divorce. The daughter looked pretty young. Maybe 10…

[Anonymous]

Technically Tom Cruise has no ex wife’s.

Nicole Kidman is Roman Catholic and she married her current husband in Catholic Church and did not need an annulment as Scientology not considered a valid wedding.

Katie Holmes also is Roman Catholic although she is still single she joined a Catholic Church takes communion and eligible to be married in Catholic Church as she was never married before in a valid wedding.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have always given a lot more thought about how in the world Nicole Kidman walked away from her children. I get that Tom Cruise brainwashed them, but had that been me, I would not have stopped at anything to get my children back. She could have raised hell in the legal system and in the press, and she chose not to. That honestly says a lot about her.

Obviously, I think the same about Tom Cruise and Suri, but Katie Holmes probably has a lot of dirt on Tom Cruise - enough to scare him into silence. A terrible father, though, no doubt.

+1 I suspect she didn’t put up a fight because they are adopted.

Well, that only makes her a worse human being. She didn't fight for them because they weren't biologically hers? And to the other poster who said she gave up because she didn't have resources, seriously? I don't personally know any mother that would abandon her children in that way, even against insurmountable odds. Do you?

You should watch Going Clear.

If your children reject you, what is a parent to do other than let them know her door is always open to them?

I may be mis-remembering, but they were pretty young when they divorced. She could have fought tooth and nail for visitation rights, which any judge would have granted. The only reason she wouldn't is if she had admitted in some sort of Scientology session (can't remember what these are called) that she abused them or something?

Scientologist has entered the chat!

Where would you get the idea she abused them? That's a HUGE allegation and based on no facts at all. You jumping straight to accusing her of abuse is nuts.

If we used your logic, we could accuse Tom of abusing them because he has them indoctrinated into a cult that abuses people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Technically Tom Cruise has no ex wife’s.

Nicole Kidman is Roman Catholic and she married her current husband in Catholic Church and did not need an annulment as Scientology not considered a valid wedding.

Katie Holmes also is Roman Catholic although she is still single she joined a Catholic Church takes communion and eligible to be married in Catholic Church as she was never married before in a valid wedding.

And the Catholic Church speaks for everyone. And what about his first wife.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Technically Tom Cruise has no ex wife’s.

Nicole Kidman is Roman Catholic and she married her current husband in Catholic Church and did not need an annulment as Scientology not considered a valid wedding.

Katie Holmes also is Roman Catholic although she is still single she joined a Catholic Church takes communion and eligible to be married in Catholic Church as she was never married before in a valid wedding.

And the Catholic Church speaks for everyone. And what about his first wife.

His first wife, Mimi Rogers, was a Scientologist at the time. I’m not sure if she still is. I thought that was how he got into Scientology in the first place.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Technically Tom Cruise has no ex wife’s.

Nicole Kidman is Roman Catholic and she married her current husband in Catholic Church and did not need an annulment as Scientology not considered a valid wedding.

Katie Holmes also is Roman Catholic although she is still single she joined a Catholic Church takes communion and eligible to be married in Catholic Church as she was never married before in a valid wedding.

And the Catholic Church speaks for everyone. And what about his first wife.

His first wife, Mimi Rogers, was a Scientologist at the time. I’m not sure if she still is. I thought that was how he got into Scientology in the first place.

Yes, and they were married and divorced. He was also married and divorced from his second and third wives as well. PP P stated that because the Catholic Church does not recognize Scientologist marriages, TC has no ex-wives. Catholic church does not dictate who or who isn't legally married in the USA. I'm sure the divorce lawyers and courts deemed all those marriages legitimate.

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Anonymous wrote:Technically Tom Cruise has no ex wife’s.

Nicole Kidman is Roman Catholic and she married her current husband in Catholic Church and did not need an annulment as Scientology not considered a valid wedding.

Katie Holmes also is Roman Catholic although she is still single she joined a Catholic Church takes communion and eligible to be married in Catholic Church as she was never married before in a valid wedding.

And the Catholic Church speaks for everyone. And what about his first wife.

His first wife, Mimi Rogers, was a Scientologist at the time. I’m not sure if she still is. I thought that was how he got into Scientology in the first place.

Yes, and they were married and divorced. He was also married and divorced from his second and third wives as well. PP P stated that because the Catholic Church does not recognize Scientologist marriages, TC has no ex-wives. Catholic church does not dictate who or who isn't legally married in the USA. I'm sure the divorce lawyers and courts deemed all those marriages legitimate.

The Catholic church can declare the marriages invalid within the church, but yeah, that doesn't carry over to secular legal matters.

[Anonymous]

I refuse to watch his movies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Technically Tom Cruise has no ex wife’s.

Nicole Kidman is Roman Catholic and she married her current husband in Catholic Church and did not need an annulment as Scientology not considered a valid wedding.

Katie Holmes also is Roman Catholic although she is still single she joined a Catholic Church takes communion and eligible to be married in Catholic Church as she was never married before in a valid wedding.

And the Catholic Church speaks for everyone. And what about his first wife.

His first wife, Mimi Rogers, was a Scientologist at the time. I’m not sure if she still is. I thought that was how he got into Scientology in the first place.

Yes, and they were married and divorced. He was also married and divorced from his second and third wives as well. PP P stated that because the Catholic Church does not recognize Scientologist marriages, TC has no ex-wives. Catholic church does not dictate who or who isn't legally married in the USA. I'm sure the divorce lawyers and courts deemed all those marriages legitimate.

You are misconstruing the pp's comment. The pp was explaining that NK was not considered married because she didn't get married in the church. This is correct. I got married by a civil officiant and divorced. When I remarried in the church and asked the priest if I needed an annulment for the first, he explained that it was unnecessary bc the church did not considered me to have been married. This doesn't change the legal facts, but the church views marriage as religious and doesn't factor in legal issues.