IVF may soon end in Alabama

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Catholic Church forbids IVF so many predominantly Catholic Countries either forbid IVF or have restrictions . Many other countries have a bunch of restrictions
Costa Rica banned IVF from 2000 to 2016
Italy IVF is only allowed between married heterosexual couple.
Germany, Switzerland, Netherlands, and Austria all forbid the practice of using donor eggs. Surrogacy is also not allowed in those countries except for the Netherlands.

Yes, Catholics suck. Your point?

You suck, your point?

I’m not out there practicing trying to oppress women.

How is any of this oppressing women?

Catholics want to prevent women from controlling their own fertiiity/reproduction.

A small minority of Catholics.

it's the official church position

Some of us know how to separate religion and politics. The Church isn't a U.S. citizen and doesn't vote. Individuals vote.

The Church views it as a religious issue. Either you are a good Catholic and accept catholic doctrine or you are a bad Catholic

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I underwent 2 rounds of IVF and had 3 embryos total implanted into my uterus. Only one of those embryos developed into a fetus and then a live birth. My question is, were the 2 embryos that never developed people? They were given every possible opportunity and yet they never got beyond a ball of 6-10 cells.

Transferred, NOT implanted. Implantation implies pregnancy. Not all transfer end up implanting.
This terminology and lack of knowledge around it leads to misunderstanding for people who just assume that every embryo created by IVF becomes a pregnancy as soon as it enters a woman’s body. This is how you end up with people who think life begins at fertilization.
I had 4 embryo transfers (all FETs). Only two of those resulted in pregnancy, and only one of those was a successful pregnancy.

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Anonymous wrote:The Catholic Church forbids IVF so many predominantly Catholic Countries either forbid IVF or have restrictions . Many other countries have a bunch of restrictions
Costa Rica banned IVF from 2000 to 2016
Italy IVF is only allowed between married heterosexual couple.
Germany, Switzerland, Netherlands, and Austria all forbid the practice of using donor eggs. Surrogacy is also not allowed in those countries except for the Netherlands.

Yes, Catholics suck. Your point?

You suck, your point?

I’m not out there practicing trying to oppress women.

How is any of this oppressing women?

Catholics want to prevent women from controlling their own fertiiity/reproduction.

A small minority of Catholics.

it's the official church position

Some of us know how to separate religion and politics. The Church isn't a U.S. citizen and doesn't vote. Individuals vote.

The Church views it as a religious issue. Either you are a good Catholic and accept catholic doctrine or you are a bad Catholic

Lots of people in this country. They aren’t all Catholics and Evangelicals. Not all Christians are Catholic or Evangelical, either. So explain why we should have to live by your church’s version of morality, particularly when it comes to appropriate health care.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I underwent 2 rounds of IVF and had 3 embryos total implanted into my uterus. Only one of those embryos developed into a fetus and then a live birth. My question is, were the 2 embryos that never developed people? They were given every possible opportunity and yet they never got beyond a ball of 6-10 cells.

Transferred, NOT implanted. Implantation implies pregnancy. Not all transfer end up implanting.
This terminology and lack of knowledge around it leads to misunderstanding for people who just assume that every embryo created by IVF becomes a pregnancy as soon as it enters a woman’s body. This is how you end up with people who think life begins at fertilization.
I had 4 embryo transfers (all FETs). Only two of those resulted in pregnancy, and only one of those was a successful pregnancy.

Sorry, my bad.

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Anonymous wrote:If embryos are children, I don’t see how it could be legal to freeze and store them, let alone destroy them. Or even create them? There’s no chance ivf can be legal in Alabama I don’t think and have it make any sense. I think they’ve just been doing it illegally with no enforcement since they changed their constitution and now the court is just pointing out the obvious.

This is an excellent point.

If embryos were children, it would be physically impossible to freeze them without killing them. And yet, it is possible to safely freeze the clump of cells in question. So yes, nothing in Alabama makes sense.

You don’t get that an embryo is what makes a child? Did you not have sex ed? Where do you think a child comes from? A stork?

You don't get that not every embryo can or will become a child? That there is a huge and important physical difference between an embryo and a human child? You are being disingenuous. Have you ever seen the product of miscarriage? I have. It was not a human being in any way, shape, or form, nor did it have the potential to become one. Not even close. Embryos are not children -- and that is what is being discussed here.

No where did I say that every embryo is a child. Keep twisting yourself. You however, don’t seem to know that an embryo is absolutely needed to become a child.
You do believe babies come by stork.

Sure, that's just what I wrote. Storks. Indeed. Done with the troll.

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