IVF may soon end in Alabama

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Catholic Church forbids IVF so many predominantly Catholic Countries either forbid IVF or have restrictions . Many other countries have a bunch of restrictions
Costa Rica banned IVF from 2000 to 2016
Italy IVF is only allowed between married heterosexual couple.
Germany, Switzerland, Netherlands, and Austria all forbid the practice of using donor eggs. Surrogacy is also not allowed in those countries except for the Netherlands.

Over half of the population of the Netherlands has no religious affiliation. There are reasons beyond religion for restricting the use of donor eggs. Some of it is about unequal power between donors (who tend to be younger and lower income) and recipients (who tend to be older and wealthier). Egg donors are often trying to pay for their educations and not fully informed or fully compensated when it comes health risks. A friend spent two weeks in the hospital after retrieval for her own IVF. Imagine being a doctoral student trying to fund your next semester who then loses two weeks of critical lab time due to a reaction you never were told you could experience.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Catholic Church forbids IVF so many predominantly Catholic Countries either forbid IVF or have restrictions . Many other countries have a bunch of restrictions
Costa Rica banned IVF from 2000 to 2016
Italy IVF is only allowed between married heterosexual couple.
Germany, Switzerland, Netherlands, and Austria all forbid the practice of using donor eggs. Surrogacy is also not allowed in those countries except for the Netherlands.

Yes, Catholics suck. Your point?

You suck, your point?

I’m not out there practicing trying to oppress women.

How is any of this oppressing women?

Catholics want to prevent women from controlling their own fertiiity/reproduction.

A small minority of Catholics.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Catholic Church forbids IVF so many predominantly Catholic Countries either forbid IVF or have restrictions . Many other countries have a bunch of restrictions
Costa Rica banned IVF from 2000 to 2016
Italy IVF is only allowed between married heterosexual couple.
Germany, Switzerland, Netherlands, and Austria all forbid the practice of using donor eggs. Surrogacy is also not allowed in those countries except for the Netherlands.

Yes, Catholics suck. Your point?

You suck, your point?

I’m not out there practicing trying to oppress women.

How is any of this oppressing women?

Catholics want to prevent women from controlling their own fertiiity/reproduction.

A small minority of Catholics.

it's the official church position

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is horrific. Can't imagine what families are going through that are doing ivf in Alabama right now. I can't even understand what will happen to their current frozen embryos. And if this goes to the supreme court it could trickle down to us

Imagine being a military family with no choice for where you live. A congress person just held up General Officer promotions for this exact reason - to not allow the military to provide reprodictive care for its members.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am not religious whatsoever, but Ivf is morally and ethically wrong. On top of that, too many things wrong go wrong and women who do this are desperate and those who aren’t successful are basket cases.

wha?....

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If embryos are children, I don’t see how it could be legal to freeze and store them, let alone destroy them. Or even create them? There’s no chance ivf can be legal in Alabama I don’t think and have it make any sense. I think they’ve just been doing it illegally with no enforcement since they changed their constitution and now the court is just pointing out the obvious.

This is an excellent point.

If embryos were children, it would be physically impossible to freeze them without killing them. And yet, it is possible to safely freeze the clump of cells in question. So yes, nothing in Alabama makes sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Former stem cell researcher - balls of cells make not a human.

In all seriousness, I've had many healthy babies die in my womb. An embryo is most definitely not destined to be a human. Anyone that's experienced the pain that is being infertile knows that.

Um, false?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Catholic Church forbids IVF so many predominantly Catholic Countries either forbid IVF or have restrictions . Many other countries have a bunch of restrictions
Costa Rica banned IVF from 2000 to 2016
Italy IVF is only allowed between married heterosexual couple.
Germany, Switzerland, Netherlands, and Austria all forbid the practice of using donor eggs. Surrogacy is also not allowed in those countries except for the Netherlands.

Alabama is 80% Protestant. There are very few Catholics in Alabama. This ruling is not about Catholics.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Former stem cell researcher - balls of cells make not a human.

In all seriousness, I've had many healthy babies die in my womb. An embryo is most definitely not destined to be a human. Anyone that's experienced the pain that is being infertile knows that.

Um, false?

It is absolutely true. Sometimes all you get from the product of conception is a mass of random cell tissue. It is human cell tissue, maybe all mucus membrane cells or all muscle tissue cells and nothing else, but not at all a human being with the full diversity of specialized cells, and with no possibility of developing into a living human being.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Catholic Church forbids IVF so many predominantly Catholic Countries either forbid IVF or have restrictions . Many other countries have a bunch of restrictions
Costa Rica banned IVF from 2000 to 2016
Italy IVF is only allowed between married heterosexual couple.
Germany, Switzerland, Netherlands, and Austria all forbid the practice of using donor eggs. Surrogacy is also not allowed in those countries except for the Netherlands.

Alabama is 80% Protestant. There are very few Catholics in Alabama. This ruling is not about Catholics.

*1. I’m not religious at all and I know Ivf is unethical.

Except it’s not so…

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Anonymous wrote:The Catholic Church forbids IVF so many predominantly Catholic Countries either forbid IVF or have restrictions . Many other countries have a bunch of restrictions
Costa Rica banned IVF from 2000 to 2016
Italy IVF is only allowed between married heterosexual couple.
Germany, Switzerland, Netherlands, and Austria all forbid the practice of using donor eggs. Surrogacy is also not allowed in those countries except for the Netherlands.

Yes, Catholics suck. Your point?

You suck, your point?

I’m not out there practicing trying to oppress women.

How is any of this oppressing women?

Catholics want to prevent women from controlling their own fertiiity/reproduction.

A small minority of Catholics.

it's the official church position

Some of us know how to separate religion and politics. The Church isn't a U.S. citizen and doesn't vote. Individuals vote.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, it's what a couple religious groups want, and they are imposing it on the rest of us.

No one is imposing anything on you. No one is forcing you to do anything.

This is so disingenuous. Yes, the religious right is imposing their views and beliefs on us. In this specific instance, the religious right is imposing their view of family formation on the people of Alabama. Imposing views on someone is not limited to forcing them to do something. Imposing views on others also comes in the form of deciding what is available as options to them as individuals.

In this case, IVF candidates residing in Alabama will be forced to travel to another state or country to participate in a 40+ year old safe and effective procedure because they no longer have that option in Alabama.

I didn't know if it was disingenuous or just really dim. But, it's something. I'd guess this poster would feel differently if a court rules that removing tumors was interfering with god's will and no longer an option, and he/she had a tumor.

[Anonymous]

I have read first person accounts of ON/GYNs deciding to retire early when abortion was criminalized in their state.

[Anonymous]

I underwent 2 rounds of IVF and had 3 embryos total implanted into my uterus. Only one of those embryos developed into a fetus and then a live birth. My question is, were the 2 embryos that never developed people? They were given every possible opportunity and yet they never got beyond a ball of 6-10 cells.

[Anonymous]

According to Pew research, Alabama is the most religious state in the country, with only 12% of the population saying they are not religious. It has the highest percentage of Protestants in the country at 80%, more than half of whom identify as Evangelical, and 86% of the total population identifies as Christian.

[Notable to parts of this thread, it has one of the five smallest Catholic populations; interestingly the largest Catholic populations are in blue states in NE and the West, which makes sense since half of Catholics are Democrats.]