Brave 09g rant

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. The roadkill comment is a bit harsh as there is talent on the team. There’s just no chance to show it. Team plays a 4-5-1 with 5 central midfielders. No one wide of the hash marks on offense. Half the team plays direct long ball to the one striker who if she’s lucky to get the ball is surrounded by 4 defenders. Coach says never to pass back so then the striker tries to take on the 4 defenders and ultimately loses the ball. The other half of the team tries to play possession passing. But with 5 central midfielders they are all passing to players standing 10 feet from each other. On defense, when the opponent builds out of the back through their full back, there’s no wide players in the offense or midfield. So the 5 central midfielders and our defensive full back all look at each other to figure out who’s supposed to step up. Every game and every time it’s a different player or any many cases no one.

My point is that the season is almost over and DD or team should be coached on basic things like what do we do when we have the ball, who is supposed to guard players on the other team. During games give players instructions on how to adjust.

Apparently this team had some success last year. We arrived to learn that literally everyone except for 2-3 players from the team last year left because of coaching. What am I missing here?

The Coach says to never pass back??! Has he never watched a high-level soccer game before? Teams want to maintain possession until it is possible to attack, and often times that means passing backwards and resetting. That quote alone was alarming. Sorry about your experience there.

The "never pass back" is very common unfortunately.
What is says is that the coach doesn't trust the players.
If the risk is always super high when your team passes back, then that's a reflection of poor training.

Poor individual training right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No one cares if a club team wins or losses games. The only thing that matters is whether the players are learning and getting better. That’s it. Players looking to play beyond high school should be working on their fitness and individual skills themselves (1-2 hours a day). Team practices are largely tactical but have to work with the talent that is available. Games are for fun, and to put showcase the individual skills within the tactical set ups.

Do think anyone knows or cares who won mlsnext last year? Look at the club websites. The “selling” being done is all about who is going to play at what college, or who is turning pro. No college coach or professional club gives a flying xxxx about how many wins a player’s club team had last year.

People are running around overly excited or depressed by their kids U12, U13, U14, U15 etc team's Win or Loss.
Yes, your kid's team lost, but your kid played well and is developing strongly.

Yes, your kid's team won with only 5 strong players carrying the rest, and your kid isn't one of them.

No scout or high level team coach ever said, I'll take them all.
They only take the exceptional ones, whether team wins or loses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No one cares if a club team wins or losses games. The only thing that matters is whether the players are learning and getting better. That’s it. Players looking to play beyond high school should be working on their fitness and individual skills themselves (1-2 hours a day). Team practices are largely tactical but have to work with the talent that is available. Games are for fun, and to put showcase the individual skills within the tactical set ups.

Do think anyone knows or cares who won mlsnext last year? Look at the club websites. The “selling” being done is all about who is going to play at what college, or who is turning pro. No college coach or professional club gives a flying xxxx about how many wins a player’s club team had last year.

You can say no one SHOULD care about a club team winning games, but the fact is many, many people care about wins. Most coaches care because that’s a primary metric of evaluation to keep their job. Most parents care. Most players care. Most clubs care as a way to enhance their brands. If there weren’t a large market of customers interested in winning, there would be less focus on winning. We don’t have to like it but I don’t see it ever changing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. The roadkill comment is a bit harsh as there is talent on the team. There’s just no chance to show it. Team plays a 4-5-1 with 5 central midfielders. No one wide of the hash marks on offense. Half the team plays direct long ball to the one striker who if she’s lucky to get the ball is surrounded by 4 defenders. Coach says never to pass back so then the striker tries to take on the 4 defenders and ultimately loses the ball. The other half of the team tries to play possession passing. But with 5 central midfielders they are all passing to players standing 10 feet from each other. On defense, when the opponent builds out of the back through their full back, there’s no wide players in the offense or midfield. So the 5 central midfielders and our defensive full back all look at each other to figure out who’s supposed to step up. Every game and every time it’s a different player or any many cases no one.

My point is that the season is almost over and DD or team should be coached on basic things like what do we do when we have the ball, who is supposed to guard players on the other team. During games give players instructions on how to adjust.

Apparently this team had some success last year. We arrived to learn that literally everyone except for 2-3 players from the team last year left because of coaching. What am I missing here?

The Coach says to never pass back??! Has he never watched a high-level soccer game before? Teams want to maintain possession until it is possible to attack, and often times that means passing backwards and resetting. That quote alone was alarming. Sorry about your experience there.

The "never pass back" is very common unfortunately.
What is says is that the coach doesn't trust the players.
If the risk is always super high when your team passes back, then that's a reflection of poor training.

Poor individual training right?

Both!
Individual needs to work on touch and control.
Coach needs to teach how to play under pressure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one cares if a club team wins or losses games. The only thing that matters is whether the players are learning and getting better. That’s it. Players looking to play beyond high school should be working on their fitness and individual skills themselves (1-2 hours a day). Team practices are largely tactical but have to work with the talent that is available. Games are for fun, and to put showcase the individual skills within the tactical set ups.

Do think anyone knows or cares who won mlsnext last year? Look at the club websites. The “selling” being done is all about who is going to play at what college, or who is turning pro. No college coach or professional club gives a flying xxxx about how many wins a player’s club team had last year.

You can say no one SHOULD care about a club team winning games, but the fact is many, many people care about wins. Most coaches care because that’s a primary metric of evaluation to keep their job. Most parents care. Most players care. Most clubs care as a way to enhance their brands. If there weren’t a large market of customers interested in winning, there would be less focus on winning. We don’t have to like it but I don’t see it ever changing.

There's a large market of parents/kids who care about the superficial, so they are happy to be on losing teams wearing a MLS Next or ECNL badge 😉

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh yea. The icing is that the coach recently canceled a tournament we were supposed to go to in Dec but he’s going with other age groups. no email. No communication. Just removed it from TeamSnap.

That sounds unprofessional and unfair to the players. Have you reached out to the club's overall Director of Coaching?

09g coach is DOC.

Don’t bother…horrible communication, lack of direction, only cared for certain players (last year the 08s who were trap players who were part of the reason the team had a few wins) Even if you reach out you’ll get or rather your player will get penalized for it by being given the silent treatment and/or benched. It’s a lose lose situation.

MV vision is to kiss the ass of his best players and hope they can do enough to get wins. Everyone else gets no real or consistent coaching. Miss a short pass? You should have passed it long. Miss a long pass? You should have passed it short. The style, formation don’t matter. Just keep your top players happy and hope they can figure it out to win. That’s why the parents of these few players defend him and the other parents are confused. The 09s must not have the talent to just go out there and win. Hence, park the bus, cancel tournaments. He has no idea how to develop, that’s the players responsibility outside of practice.

I have no skin in the game for Brave, but give my DD's team recently played them, there are 2 or 3 solid players on Brave 09G. The rest are not ECNL caliber. Looks like they are even struggling with subs. I think they had one or two subs. Given Brave has the pipeline with VYS and BRYC, I'm not sure why they have limited players on the team. Could it be the coach? Some of the girls on this team are at best second tier travel team, not ECNL caliber player. Sorry if those OPs feel otherwise. Be honest. ECNL is top level soccer. I wonder if anyone of them get private training or maybe they play another sport as primary and just want to say they play ECNL. On our team, all the girls are committed to playing Soccer year around, private training, and it is their #1 sport. I appreciate the win, but at the same time sympathetic to those players constantly losing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one cares if a club team wins or losses games. The only thing that matters is whether the players are learning and getting better. That’s it. Players looking to play beyond high school should be working on their fitness and individual skills themselves (1-2 hours a day). Team practices are largely tactical but have to work with the talent that is available. Games are for fun, and to put showcase the individual skills within the tactical set ups.

Do think anyone knows or cares who won mlsnext last year? Look at the club websites. The “selling” being done is all about who is going to play at what college, or who is turning pro. No college coach or professional club gives a flying xxxx about how many wins a player’s club team had last year.

You can say no one SHOULD care about a club team winning games, but the fact is many, many people care about wins. Most coaches care because that’s a primary metric of evaluation to keep their job. Most parents care. Most players care. Most clubs care as a way to enhance their brands. If there weren’t a large market of customers interested in winning, there would be less focus on winning. We don’t have to like it but I don’t see it ever changing.

There's a large market of parents/kids who care about the superficial, so they are happy to be on losing teams wearing a MLS Next or ECNL badge 😉

You’re a part of this superficial market I assume since not being on “losing teams” is a priority. Pot meet….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one cares if a club team wins or losses games. The only thing that matters is whether the players are learning and getting better. That’s it. Players looking to play beyond high school should be working on their fitness and individual skills themselves (1-2 hours a day). Team practices are largely tactical but have to work with the talent that is available. Games are for fun, and to put showcase the individual skills within the tactical set ups.

Do think anyone knows or cares who won mlsnext last year? Look at the club websites. The “selling” being done is all about who is going to play at what college, or who is turning pro. No college coach or professional club gives a flying xxxx about how many wins a player’s club team had last year.

You can say no one SHOULD care about a club team winning games, but the fact is many, many people care about wins. Most coaches care because that’s a primary metric of evaluation to keep their job. Most parents care. Most players care. Most clubs care as a way to enhance their brands. If there weren’t a large market of customers interested in winning, there would be less focus on winning. We don’t have to like it but I don’t see it ever changing.

There's a large market of parents/kids who care about the superficial, so they are happy to be on losing teams wearing a MLS Next or ECNL badge 😉

You’re a part of this superficial market I assume since not being on “losing teams” is a priority. Pot meet….

Make that make sense.
Since don't have any kids on either a MLS Next or ECNL team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh yea. The icing is that the coach recently canceled a tournament we were supposed to go to in Dec but he’s going with other age groups. no email. No communication. Just removed it from TeamSnap.

That sounds unprofessional and unfair to the players. Have you reached out to the club's overall Director of Coaching?

09g coach is DOC.

Don’t bother…horrible communication, lack of direction, only cared for certain players (last year the 08s who were trap players who were part of the reason the team had a few wins) Even if you reach out you’ll get or rather your player will get penalized for it by being given the silent treatment and/or benched. It’s a lose lose situation.

MV vision is to kiss the ass of his best players and hope they can do enough to get wins. Everyone else gets no real or consistent coaching. Miss a short pass? You should have passed it long. Miss a long pass? You should have passed it short. The style, formation don’t matter. Just keep your top players happy and hope they can figure it out to win. That’s why the parents of these few players defend him and the other parents are confused. The 09s must not have the talent to just go out there and win. Hence, park the bus, cancel tournaments. He has no idea how to develop, that’s the players responsibility outside of practice.

I have no skin in the game for Brave, but give my DD's team recently played them, there are 2 or 3 solid players on Brave 09G. The rest are not ECNL caliber. Looks like they are even struggling with subs. I think they had one or two subs. Given Brave has the pipeline with VYS and BRYC, I'm not sure why they have limited players on the team. Could it be the coach? Some of the girls on this team are at best second tier travel team, not ECNL caliber player. Sorry if those OPs feel otherwise. Be honest. ECNL is top level soccer. I wonder if any one of them get private training or maybe they play another sport as primary and just want to say they play ECNL. On our team, all the girls are committed to playing Soccer year around, private training, and it is their #1 sport. I appreciate the win, but at the same time sympathetic to those players constantly losing.

I think they said that everyone from the team last year left because of the coach. That would suggest that 2nd team players got bumped up. Next year the 3rd team will get their chance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh yea. The icing is that the coach recently canceled a tournament we were supposed to go to in Dec but he’s going with other age groups. no email. No communication. Just removed it from TeamSnap.

That sounds unprofessional and unfair to the players. Have you reached out to the club's overall Director of Coaching?

09g coach is DOC.

Don’t bother…horrible communication, lack of direction, only cared for certain players (last year the 08s who were trap players who were part of the reason the team had a few wins) Even if you reach out you’ll get or rather your player will get penalized for it by being given the silent treatment and/or benched. It’s a lose lose situation.

MV vision is to kiss the ass of his best players and hope they can do enough to get wins. Everyone else gets no real or consistent coaching. Miss a short pass? You should have passed it long. Miss a long pass? You should have passed it short. The style, formation don’t matter. Just keep your top players happy and hope they can figure it out to win. That’s why the parents of these few players defend him and the other parents are confused. The 09s must not have the talent to just go out there and win. Hence, park the bus, cancel tournaments. He has no idea how to develop, that’s the players responsibility outside of practice.

I have no skin in the game for Brave, but give my DD's team recently played them, there are 2 or 3 solid players on Brave 09G. The rest are not ECNL caliber. Looks like they are even struggling with subs. I think they had one or two subs. Given Brave has the pipeline with VYS and BRYC, I'm not sure why they have limited players on the team. Could it be the coach? Some of the girls on this team are at best second tier travel team, not ECNL caliber player. Sorry if those OPs feel otherwise. Be honest. ECNL is top level soccer. I wonder if any one of them get private training or maybe they play another sport as primary and just want to say they play ECNL. On our team, all the girls are committed to playing Soccer year around, private training, and it is their #1 sport. I appreciate the win, but at the same time sympathetic to those players constantly losing.

I think they said that everyone from the team last year left because of the coach. That would suggest that 2nd team players got bumped up. Next year the 3rd team will get their chance.

3 returning players, a couple new players from Loudon ECNL and ECNL RL, one from arlington, one from syc, 3-4 from bryc ecnl rl. 2 solid players, the rest are BAD. They can't get the ball out from the backline.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If we are talking about MV- dude is a clown. Get your kid out of Brave ASAP. Horrible coach, horrible director. Imagine asking kids to sit back and defend the whole game. Makes 0 sense, horrible for development.

MV’s 10s and 08s have scored 42 goals total across 18 total games this fall (9 each). No other club in the area has that many goals across those 2 age years. I could probably add the 11s and it would still be the case. The game scores are in direct conflict with your claims. The 10s scored 70+ goals last year.

As written earlier, the 09s have been snakebitten since the early VYS years. They have only scored twice, and their striker is newly promoted from ECRL. I suspect they are doing the best they can.

My DD has played for MV, and they have built out of the back since 7v7. I don’t know where that is coming from, but seems to be taken out of context.

I did the math adding the 11s, it won’t help you. Arlington is #1 across the 3 ages with 1 less game played as compared to Brave.

[Anonymous]

Kids play hard to win a game and then - forget it. Parents who are not idiot’s understand that what is important consists of (1) is your kid in a good place with a given team/coach? Personalities are meshing okay. No major problems. Team costs are handable. Time commitment is okay. (2) is your kid continuously improving consistent with their ability and their commitment; and (3) is your kid getting opportunities for exposure in order to have a chance to play at the next level.

None of that has anything to do with wins or losses. If your daughter wants to play in college on a big school D1 team then she needs to be playing ECNL for the exposure. It’s regrettable as the costs are high with the ridiculous travel, but that’s price. Do it at u16 and u17 then drop off once your kid is set on a school. But, you aren’t making an ECNL u16 team unless you have really excelled at a lower level, or have come up through the ECNL system. It sucks but it is what it is.

Whether or not “team x” beat “team y” is completely irrelevant. Are players learning, and are recruiting coaches watching? No college coach ever said - “Golly, I like Susie. She would be a good fit on my team, but Susie’s team lost to the team from Othertown. Guess I won’t try and recruit Susie.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Kids play hard to win a game and then - forget it. Parents who are not idiot’s understand that what is important consists of (1) is your kid in a good place with a given team/coach? Personalities are meshing okay. No major problems. Team costs are handable. Time commitment is okay. (2) is your kid continuously improving consistent with their ability and their commitment; and (3) is your kid getting opportunities for exposure in order to have a chance to play at the next level.

None of that has anything to do with wins or losses. If your daughter wants to play in college on a big school D1 team then she needs to be playing ECNL for the exposure. It’s regrettable as the costs are high with the ridiculous travel, but that’s price. Do it at u16 and u17 then drop off once your kid is set on a school. But, you aren’t making an ECNL u16 team unless you have really excelled at a lower level, or have come up through the ECNL system. It sucks but it is what it is.

Whether or not “team x” beat “team y” is completely irrelevant. Are players learning, and are recruiting coaches watching? No college coach ever said - “Golly, I like Susie. She would be a good fit on my team, but Susie’s team lost to the team from Othertown. Guess I won’t try and recruit Susie.”

Bravo. But this thread is a rant about a coach that could care less about his team because they aren’t good or winning. Canceling committed tournaments and showcases because they suck is not going to help their development.

[Anonymous]

I would add that the coach told our DD that if someone wins a penalty they should never be the one taking the penalty. Something about their heart rate being too high. I’ve never heard of this before. Definitely weird in my book.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would add that the coach told our DD that if someone wins a penalty they should never be the one taking the penalty. Something about their heart rate being too high. I’ve never heard of this before. Definitely weird in my book.

Weird because you obviously never played at any point. This is common.