Should I vote republican or a democrat? I despise both parties.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm an atheist. I believe in capitalism and free markets. I abhor the military-industrial complex. I'm concerned about human-induced climate change. I want lower taxes and somewhat less government. I support universal access to abortions, within some minor logical constraints. I feel like the LGBTQIA+ movement gets too much airtime and we don't need to bend over backwards for trans people. I despise trump and all the MAGA scum (because that's what they are). That said, I'd like to stop the flow of illegals across the southern border. I'd also love to see us allow in many more talented, educated people from all over world.

What do you think? After re-reading the above, I feel like I should probably vote republican, but i just hate most republican politicians!

Are you serious? Republicans are all MAGA except like 3 - Liz Cheney (gone), Adam Kinzinger (gone), Mitt Romney (about to be gone).

I really hope you aren’t seriously confused still.

[Anonymous]

Both sides are terrible. Ever since Citizens United, we are just pawns and it’s all about pleasing the big corporations which include arms manufacturers, gun manufacturers, pharmaceutical companies, insurance companies etc. Our children face a grim future thanks to government policy directly being linked to corporate interests. This country has been going downhill for the past two decades and has shown no signs of slowing down. Public schooling is a joke, infrastructure is falling apart, healthcare is a mess and extremely expensive. I am going to write in a candidate who I know will have no chance of winning but I am just sick of the status quo and don’t care either way.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am in your situation. I honestly don’t know what to do. I:

Am atheist and do not trust the evangelicals in particular.

Think Jan. 6th was an attempted coup.

Think US interests are supported by Israel and have been appalled by the refusal of the progressives to come out strongly against the most basic of war crimes, like burning Jewish toddlers alive.

Am strongly pro-choice.

Am pro-gun control, but reasonable limits like not allowing people with retraining orders against them to buy guns.

Believe human-made climate change is an impending disaster that could end life as we know it, and think a strong environmental policy is critical.

Think Democratic support for suppression of speech online under the guise of suppressing “misinformation” is terrifying and Orwellian.

Was strongly opposed to the school shutdowns and am angry at the refusal to acknowledge the enormous harm done to kids by those shutdowns.

Think we need to manage our border much better.

Think a strong middle class is essential for a strong economy and generally support the concept of labor, but also think a lot of unions have lost their way entirely.

Think it’s ridiculous, deeply misogynist, and dangerous that women have lost the ability to have their own sex-segregated safe places and men/boys can self-id into women’s prisons and girls sports.

Think public schools have lost their way and vouchers may be the way forward at this point.

Think progressives like AOC and squad don’t have any sense of morality or ethics. Or common sense.

Think the MAGA are essentially a death cult.

In general, am scared and worried about the sharp uptick of misogyny across both the right and the left.

You are a democrat.

As to the bolded comment, when the misinformation is Russian psyops, we, as a country, should just let it stand? We should provide a platform for "stop the steal" which was all lies and BS?

I don’t feel like a Democrat any more. The party feels unrecognizable to me.

As for the question you ask, I don’t think I trust the government to correctly identify what is Russian psyops and what is protected free speech. I don’t want the government clamping down on speech like China does. I don’t mind private enterprises deciding what they want to host online or not, but I do not trust the government to do so.

You do not appear to have any sincere beliefs or priority concerns. You are looking for random issues to pretend to be disillusioned about. It is not possible to be an informed person and have no preference for one party or the other. My guess is that are planning to vote based on whatever prejudices you have but are searching for a more acceptable justification for the decision you have already made.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Both sides are terrible. Ever since Citizens United, we are just pawns and it’s all about pleasing the big corporations which include arms manufacturers, gun manufacturers, pharmaceutical companies, insurance companies etc. Our children face a grim future thanks to government policy directly being linked to corporate interests. This country has been going downhill for the past two decades and has shown no signs of slowing down. Public schooling is a joke, infrastructure is falling apart, healthcare is a mess and extremely expensive. I am going to write in a candidate who I know will have no chance of winning but I am just sick of the status quo and don’t care either way.

“BoThSiDeS” people are the kind of people who like to brag on Facebook that they’re “no drama…” but they’re always causing drama. They’re the people who badly want to be seen as smart and above pettiness but aren’t smart and are the pettiest. They want to be held up as special but the only special thing they bring is big “I’m The Main Character” energy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am in your situation. I honestly don’t know what to do. I:

Am atheist and do not trust the evangelicals in particular.

Think Jan. 6th was an attempted coup.

Think US interests are supported by Israel and have been appalled by the refusal of the progressives to come out strongly against the most basic of war crimes, like burning Jewish toddlers alive.

Am strongly pro-choice.

Am pro-gun control, but reasonable limits like not allowing people with retraining orders against them to buy guns.

Believe human-made climate change is an impending disaster that could end life as we know it, and think a strong environmental policy is critical.

Think Democratic support for suppression of speech online under the guise of suppressing “misinformation” is terrifying and Orwellian.

Was strongly opposed to the school shutdowns and am angry at the refusal to acknowledge the enormous harm done to kids by those shutdowns.

Think we need to manage our border much better.

Think a strong middle class is essential for a strong economy and generally support the concept of labor, but also think a lot of unions have lost their way entirely.

Think it’s ridiculous, deeply misogynist, and dangerous that women have lost the ability to have their own sex-segregated safe places and men/boys can self-id into women’s prisons and girls sports.

Think public schools have lost their way and vouchers may be the way forward at this point.

Think progressives like AOC and squad don’t have any sense of morality or ethics. Or common sense.

Think the MAGA are essentially a death cult.

In general, am scared and worried about the sharp uptick of misogyny across both the right and the left.

You are a democrat.

As to the bolded comment, when the misinformation is Russian psyops, we, as a country, should just let it stand? We should provide a platform for "stop the steal" which was all lies and BS?

I don’t feel like a Democrat any more. The party feels unrecognizable to me.

As for the question you ask, I don’t think I trust the government to correctly identify what is Russian psyops and what is protected free speech. I don’t want the government clamping down on speech like China does. I don’t mind private enterprises deciding what they want to host online or not, but I do not trust the government to do so.

You do not appear to have any sincere beliefs or priority concerns. You are looking for random issues to pretend to be disillusioned about. It is not possible to be an informed person and have no preference for one party or the other. My guess is that are planning to vote based on whatever prejudices you have but are searching for a more acceptable justification for the decision you have already made.

You know, if you’re trying to make an argument for voting for Democrats, you’re making a remarkably poor one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Both sides are terrible. Ever since Citizens United, we are just pawns and it’s all about pleasing the big corporations which include arms manufacturers, gun manufacturers, pharmaceutical companies, insurance companies etc. Our children face a grim future thanks to government policy directly being linked to corporate interests. This country has been going downhill for the past two decades and has shown no signs of slowing down. Public schooling is a joke, infrastructure is falling apart, healthcare is a mess and extremely expensive. I am going to write in a candidate who I know will have no chance of winning but I am just sick of the status quo and don’t care either way.

“BoThSiDeS” people are the kind of people who like to brag on Facebook that they’re “no drama…” but they’re always causing drama. They’re the people who badly want to be seen as smart and above pettiness but aren’t smart and are the pettiest. They want to be held up as special but the only special thing they bring is big “I’m The Main Character” energy.

Lol what? You seem to be the one creating drama. I am sick of the drama from both and it is my choice as a citizen to not want to vote for either candidate. Both sides are corrupt and have the same agenda. Tell me one thing Biden has done that has been so remarkable? They are all in bed with big corporations and couldn’t care less about the common man.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Both sides are terrible. Ever since Citizens United, we are just pawns and it’s all about pleasing the big corporations which include arms manufacturers, gun manufacturers, pharmaceutical companies, insurance companies etc. Our children face a grim future thanks to government policy directly being linked to corporate interests. This country has been going downhill for the past two decades and has shown no signs of slowing down. Public schooling is a joke, infrastructure is falling apart, healthcare is a mess and extremely expensive. I am going to write in a candidate who I know will have no chance of winning but I am just sick of the status quo and don’t care either way.

“BoThSiDeS” people are the kind of people who like to brag on Facebook that they’re “no drama…” but they’re always causing drama. They’re the people who badly want to be seen as smart and above pettiness but aren’t smart and are the pettiest. They want to be held up as special but the only special thing they bring is big “I’m The Main Character” energy.

Lol what? You seem to be the one creating drama. I am sick of the drama from both and it is my choice as a citizen to not want to vote for either candidate. Both sides are corrupt and have the same agenda. Tell me one thing Biden has done that has been so remarkable? They are all in bed with big corporations and couldn’t care less about the common man.

+1000 Ignore the drama queens. They're either RNC or DNC employees or have some other financial stake in the GOP or Dem party. They're trying to cling on their power by any means possible. The rest of us are seeing through that BS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Both sides are terrible. Ever since Citizens United, we are just pawns and it’s all about pleasing the big corporations which include arms manufacturers, gun manufacturers, pharmaceutical companies, insurance companies etc. Our children face a grim future thanks to government policy directly being linked to corporate interests. This country has been going downhill for the past two decades and has shown no signs of slowing down. Public schooling is a joke, infrastructure is falling apart, healthcare is a mess and extremely expensive. I am going to write in a candidate who I know will have no chance of winning but I am just sick of the status quo and don’t care either way.

“BoThSiDeS” people are the kind of people who like to brag on Facebook that they’re “no drama…” but they’re always causing drama. They’re the people who badly want to be seen as smart and above pettiness but aren’t smart and are the pettiest. They want to be held up as special but the only special thing they bring is big “I’m The Main Character” energy.

Lol what? You seem to be the one creating drama. I am sick of the drama from both and it is my choice as a citizen to not want to vote for either candidate. Both sides are corrupt and have the same agenda. Tell me one thing Biden has done that has been so remarkable? They are all in bed with big corporations and couldn’t care less about the common man.

Sadly, you won't realize what you had until it's gone. If you've only ever lived in a free society of abundance on demand, you may believe it flows down a mountain like water. Consider that you have the freedom to choose your own pronouns, if you so choose, or own a gun, if you so choose. We have to defend the Constitution with our votes. I know a 2nd Trump presidency will be the last free election. Biden defends the Constitution by abiding within it. That's enough for me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Both sides are terrible. Ever since Citizens United, we are just pawns and it’s all about pleasing the big corporations which include arms manufacturers, gun manufacturers, pharmaceutical companies, insurance companies etc. Our children face a grim future thanks to government policy directly being linked to corporate interests. This country has been going downhill for the past two decades and has shown no signs of slowing down. Public schooling is a joke, infrastructure is falling apart, healthcare is a mess and extremely expensive. I am going to write in a candidate who I know will have no chance of winning but I am just sick of the status quo and don’t care either way.

“BoThSiDeS” people are the kind of people who like to brag on Facebook that they’re “no drama…” but they’re always causing drama. They’re the people who badly want to be seen as smart and above pettiness but aren’t smart and are the pettiest. They want to be held up as special but the only special thing they bring is big “I’m The Main Character” energy.

Lol what? You seem to be the one creating drama. I am sick of the drama from both and it is my choice as a citizen to not want to vote for either candidate. Both sides are corrupt and have the same agenda. Tell me one thing Biden has done that has been so remarkable? They are all in bed with big corporations and couldn’t care less about the common man.

Sadly, you won't realize what you had until it's gone. If you've only ever lived in a free society of abundance on demand, you may believe it flows down a mountain like water. Consider that you have the freedom to choose your own pronouns, if you so choose, or own a gun, if you so choose. We have to defend the Constitution with our votes. I know a 2nd Trump presidency will be the last free election. Biden defends the Constitution by abiding within it. That's enough for me.

Deep breaths buddy. Just because most people have come to the factual realization that an 81 year old person is not our best possible option for president doesn't mean that they are Trump supporters or Trump voters. Most of us will inevitably vote for Biden anyway if our choices are limited to Trump or Biden. Deep breaths. Everything will be okay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Depends on how much weight you place on each item, not how many seemingly match one party or another. Also, consider each specific office you’re voting for and how likely you believe that candidate will uphold what’s important to you. What has been a candidate’s history on these matters? Are they saying or doing things suddenly near election time to appeal to voters? You don’t to have to vote solely for one party.

I think many people find themselves in the same boat as you, but maybe not on DCUM.

I definitely have cross-party ideals.

Most of them are economy-related. Such as: we need border walls on the southern border so that we can better control the flow of immigration. We need immigrant labor, but in order to benefit from it, we have to identify these people, transport them where they're needed, and support them with services as necessary so they won't be a burden later, and more efficient sooner. We need to control spending, even if it means cuts to social programs, but we need to throttle healthcare middlemen and reduce healthcare costs so that more people can get treatment earlier and cease to be medical burdens that cost a lot when their conditions deteriorate. In short, I believe in long-term ideas that will reduce costs to the nation in the future, and generate more productivity.

But it appears that the media is giving a lot of air to weird, unimportant social consciousness battles. Book banning is just as stupid and short-sighted as having several school assemblies a year on LGBTQ+/love thyself emoting. I don't want to hear one more peep out of all these people!

Oh, and abortion should be legal at all times.

I wish there was a centrist party.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Depends on how much weight you place on each item, not how many seemingly match one party or another. Also, consider each specific office you’re voting for and how likely you believe that candidate will uphold what’s important to you. What has been a candidate’s history on these matters? Are they saying or doing things suddenly near election time to appeal to voters? You don’t to have to vote solely for one party.

I think many people find themselves in the same boat as you, but maybe not on DCUM.

I definitely have cross-party ideals.

Most of them are economy-related. Such as: we need border walls on the southern border so that we can better control the flow of immigration. We need immigrant labor, but in order to benefit from it, we have to identify these people, transport them where they're needed, and support them with services as necessary so they won't be a burden later, and more efficient sooner. We need to control spending, even if it means cuts to social programs, but we need to throttle healthcare middlemen and reduce healthcare costs so that more people can get treatment earlier and cease to be medical burdens that cost a lot when their conditions deteriorate. In short, I believe in long-term ideas that will reduce costs to the nation in the future, and generate more productivity.

But it appears that the media is giving a lot of air to weird, unimportant social consciousness battles. Book banning is just as stupid and short-sighted as having several school assemblies a year on LGBTQ+/love thyself emoting. I don't want to hear one more peep out of all these people!

Oh, and abortion should be legal at all times.

I wish there was a centrist party.

These are common sense ideals that most Americans share. The left and right wing nuts may be the squeakiest wheels but they are much smaller in number.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I also have equal distain for both parties. However, I feel like we are failing the next generation with poor schools, illegal, immigration, lawlessness, and fringe issues getting too much airtime while large, more important issues get shoved aside.

I will wait to see who runs, but honestly would like a hard reset.

If you want a hard reset, take yourself to a new country. Let the rest of us have nice things. Trump was a hard reset. Women lost citizenship, millions died in a global pandemic and manure ponds of terrible crap happened. So you go reset yourself in Pierce Hawthorne’s tropical paradise of Somalia and leave the rest of us in peace.

It is hard to take you seriously with your hyperbole. Losing RvW is not equivalent to losing citizenship.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I also have equal distain for both parties. However, I feel like we are failing the next generation with poor schools, illegal, immigration, lawlessness, and fringe issues getting too much airtime while large, more important issues get shoved aside.

I will wait to see who runs, but honestly would like a hard reset.

If you want a hard reset, take yourself to a new country. Let the rest of us have nice things. Trump was a hard reset. Women lost citizenship, millions died in a global pandemic and manure ponds of terrible crap happened. So you go reset yourself in Pierce Hawthorne’s tropical paradise of Somalia and leave the rest of us in peace.

It is hard to take you seriously with your hyperbole. Losing RvW is not equivalent to losing citizenship.

Let me guess: You don't have a uterus.

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Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, Republicans are insane presently. They clearly have no interest in governing. They're nihilists. And they have a very weird cult of personality. I will never understand the Republican devotion to Trump. It's bizarre. It's weird. It's dangerous. I could never vote for a Republican Party that is loyal to Donald Trump. The GOP is pathetic these days.

But if the GOP were to roll with a Mitt Romney or a John McCain, they'd win everything. There's been serious democratic overreach - from soft on crime to some of the trans absurdities. There's a lot of space for common sense candidates. But Republicans refuse to go there. They are 100 percent invested in Donald Trump. And that makes them awful and repellent.

The Republicans could sweep across the board if they could run a moderate like Romney. The Democrats have gone off the deep end, but as you say, Trump is repellent.

You and the rest of the dummies who are practically baying to vote Republican are part of the problem. You don’t see that though, do you? Your reply will be of the “omg you’re such a partisan!” variety, but whoop de ding. Which Republicans have presented any sort of plans or governance? Which ones have actually acted against the worst impulses of the GOP fringe (now the base and no longer “the fringe” at all)? Abortion is functionally illegal in multiple states, prenatal care is worse, pregnant women who were actually just trying to have a baby have to wait to be near enough to death to get a life saving abortion… where has any Republican put any brakes on this?

You all want to pretend that Trump is the only problem. He’s not. He’s the weird boil that signifies blood poisoning. But ohhhhh the Democrats want trans people to feel safe. (And for the record I do agree that trans activists have gone too far but they still get murdered way more than people born into the right gendered body so I can see where it’s coming from. You can only hold people down for so long before something snaps).

Anytime your democrat party speaks out about moderation and not demanding wide open borders, uncontrolled violent crime, and abortion to one minute before the baby is born whilst forcing the tax payer to foot the bill, you let us know that republicans are fringe.

You made four points, and every one of them is completely incorrect.

You're definitely a Republican.

Then you should be able to articulate how the four points are incorrect.

1. demanding wide open borders -- check your facts, Biden is better on the southern border than Trump ever was
2. uncontrolled violent crime -- not part of the Democratic platform last time I checked
3. abortion to one minute before the baby is born -- simply doesn't happen, so not even worth addressing
4. forcing the tax payer to foot the bill -- also doesn't happen, and not something any Democrat has proposed

Now, want to tell me one thing the Republicans have achieved in the past 6 years?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I also have equal distain for both parties. However, I feel like we are failing the next generation with poor schools, illegal, immigration, lawlessness, and fringe issues getting too much airtime while large, more important issues get shoved aside.

I will wait to see who runs, but honestly would like a hard reset.

If you want a hard reset, take yourself to a new country. Let the rest of us have nice things. Trump was a hard reset. Women lost citizenship, millions died in a global pandemic and manure ponds of terrible crap happened. So you go reset yourself in Pierce Hawthorne’s tropical paradise of Somalia and leave the rest of us in peace.

It is hard to take you seriously with your hyperbole. Losing RvW is not equivalent to losing citizenship.

Let me guess: You don't have a uterus.

You’d be very wrong. I’m still in range to bear children. While losing RvW is unfortunate, there is more to me as a person than my uterus. My uterus also does not vote, i do.