From US diplomat (trailing spouse) to squatter

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Anonymous wrote:OP you have petS, as in, multiple pets?! You can’t afford it!


I wouldn't give OP a hard time about having pets. They may be the only emotional solace she has.
Thanks. No way would I give them up...In fact, they're part of why I am pushing ahead.
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Anonymous wrote:OP you have petS, as in, multiple pets?! You can’t afford it!


I wouldn't give OP a hard time about having pets. They may be the only emotional solace she has.


Thanks. No way would I give them up...In fact, they're part of why I am pushing ahead.
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Anonymous wrote:4th, if you stayed with him, you two could've had lot of fun with this lifestyle without young kid to care for.
Gosh, I am not sure if you're hearing how emotionally abusive this guy is/was? Would you have fun living with a stone-cold, covert narcisstic with cluster b tendancies who didn't make eye contact with you or talk to you or sleep in your room? Sounds like a BLAST when the kid leaves. I would rather poke my eyes out with a sharp stick than have stayed with him, especially w/o my son. He was the only good thing about that marraige.
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Anonymous wrote:OP I was in a similar situation with a spouse who moved states 5 times in 7 years expecting me to follow each time. Sometime I said no Ms waited for the next move. This was in the US so I could work, but like you could not work during COVID. I was also screwed financially w alimony & child support in divorce. My ex-spouse makes double what he did at filing, has investment properties, money abroad and deferred comp he does not declare and CS has not changed even though he could and should be paying double what he is.

What has helped me has been to let go or excuses and rage against injustices (even valid ones) stop expecting help, support, money or compassion from anyone and to plan to be alone forever. Anything else is just gravy.

If my kids were done living at home I would go balls to the wall working to make money. You should too.
I love this! Thanks! I think you're 100% right about accepting the injustice (at least or us) and then maybe one day trying to help other women. Everything is telling me to drop court. So what that he literally makes double now too (I filed FOIA) and that's just the beginning. He's a pr!ck and he gets to live with being a bad, but rich, father for the rest of his life. I wouldn't want that burden...Thanks! Glad you made it!
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Anonymous wrote:The financial stuff seems sketchy, but I wonder why you don’t think that the no-fault divorce was correct. That seems like the right call.



+1. The no-fault determination is made by state law. The husband’s filing as much makes no difference
Not true. It's about who files first. He filed under no-fault. If I had filed, I would have filed w/fault and every time I tried to talk, I was silenced. I know exactly what I am talking about...Been doing it for 5-years.
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Anonymous wrote:your lawyer should be speaking for you.
I don't have one. They don't appoint them in family law cases. You have to pay and I have no $. Legal aid can't help bc I am in NYC and it's in PA. I have tried 100 x... Whatever, it doesn't matter. That's pretty much over. It just was traumatizing to not be able to speak about MY FAMILY.
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Anonymous wrote:How old is your child?

Do you have a support system in NY?


Yeah something doesn't add up here. OP has been together with spouse for 20 years. The child wasn't a child for all of that.
There's a lot I am leaving out, but can you be more specific with what doesn't seem to be adding up? In my eyes, it is THIS much of an abomination. We were in the foreign service for 3 years before son was born and I left when he was 13. He's 18 now. But I can't get anyone to really take this on and I can't figure it out. Please ask me questions about what makes this not add up and I will fill in gaps. It really is this bad.


So you were wtih DH and he was supporting you normally up until your son was 13. A 13 year old needs a lot less "care" than a 2 year old. You seem to blame your DH for everything and make not attempt to control your own destiny. The time you leave is the time to get a job and start figuring out your life.

Now your son is off in college. You have all the time to focus on yourself. How many jobs did you apply for yesterday and today?
Things don't happen in a vaccum, especially when there is PTSD involved and it's not that easy. I have HAD multiple jobs and apply constantly, but being ready for them is the issue. I am in an educational program and am applying for an apprenticeship for more creative jobs, as opposed to nursing. I have no aversion to working and know it will make me better. It's being scared to leave the house bc of paralyzing fear and making mistakes and generally, feeling scared most of the time and my mind being disorganized like a tornado that holds me back.

Regardng your comment about a 2-year old vs a 13-year old...you're wrong. Especially when your husband is on a yearlong tour or he's not in his son's life. When I say I was single parenting- I mean 100% in every single sense of the word, with no aunties, sisters, etc. I think I know exactly what my son needs. Funny that one of the [male] judges said the very same thing...So, clearly you're a man who doesn't understand mothering. If my son needed my attention, he needed my attention. BTW, I have worked 2 of the 5 years, but they're doing neurological testing bc something isn't right...the jobs aren't working out well for me. Do you hear me? My brain isn't right. I am NOT lazy!

Ma’am it incredibly clear that you are mentally ill. I do hope you can get the treatment you desperately need.
Yes, I think it's incredibly clear bc I stated that I was emotionally and mentally not well. And also stated I was getting help. Thanks for your heartfelt concern.
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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t your son technically an adult now if he’s in university? Why do you need an advocate to fight for custody? Seems like maybe you are putting energy into the wrong things. Focus on the money.
I am not focusing on custody, but someone else brought it up...It just was a lot, that's all. I am only focused on the money and him paying what is due to my son. But I won't get a fair trial, bc I never have.


Op, frankly you won’t get a fair trial because you present as a crazy person (and this is without even having heard your ex’s side of the story. ) I was sympathetic at first but the more you share the more I’m inclined to side with the ex.


You seem like an entitled btch. Way to blame the victim. Do you understand DV in all its forms? Moderator doesn’t seem to be interested in deleting reported trolls.

People aren’t trolling. OP is not having a reality based conversation here.

Jumping in and calling posters names is trolling.


OP is absolutely lucid, intelligent, articulate, and informed. You? Not so much. To you OP: You’re an incredible mother. You know this because it comes through in your writing. 90% of your goal was achieved because you got your son through it all and to the other side. He’s in a Paris University and thriving! You can and will cross the finish line. Your determination is clear. You’re strong. You deserve happiness and contentment. Your son needs you to get to the other side.
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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t your son technically an adult now if he’s in university? Why do you need an advocate to fight for custody? Seems like maybe you are putting energy into the wrong things. Focus on the money.
I am not focusing on custody, but someone else brought it up...It just was a lot, that's all. I am only focused on the money and him paying what is due to my son. But I won't get a fair trial, bc I never have.


Op, frankly you won’t get a fair trial because you present as a crazy person (and this is without even having heard your ex’s side of the story. ) I was sympathetic at first but the more you share the more I’m inclined to side with the ex.


You seem like an entitled btch. Way to blame the victim. Do you understand DV in all its forms? Moderator doesn’t seem to be interested in deleting reported trolls.

People aren’t trolling. OP is not having a reality based conversation here.

Jumping in and calling posters names is trolling.


OP is absolutely lucid, intelligent, articulate, and informed. You? Not so much. To you OP: You’re an incredible mother. You know this because it comes through in your writing. 90% of your goal was achieved because you got your son through it all and to the other side. He’s in a Paris University and thriving! You can and will cross the finish line. Your determination is clear. You’re strong. You deserve happiness and contentment. Your son needs you to get to the other side.
OMG, thank you SO much! That's really sweet and I needed that! Women really need other women to get through. It's little things like that that have made all the difference. Many times, when I was on the phone with the bank or schools or whatever, just the operators encouraging me- it meant so much. I don't think men have any idea how hard it is. But thank you so much for your words. I thiink I did it and now I am going to make it! All the best!
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GenLeRoy wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Isn’t your son technically an adult now if he’s in university? Why do you need an advocate to fight for custody? Seems like maybe you are putting energy into the wrong things. Focus on the money.
I am not focusing on custody, but someone else brought it up...It just was a lot, that's all. I am only focused on the money and him paying what is due to my son. But I won't get a fair trial, bc I never have.


Op, frankly you won’t get a fair trial because you present as a crazy person (and this is without even having heard your ex’s side of the story. ) I was sympathetic at first but the more you share the more I’m inclined to side with the ex.


You seem like an entitled btch. Way to blame the victim. Do you understand DV in all its forms? Moderator doesn’t seem to be interested in deleting reported trolls.

People aren’t trolling. OP is not having a reality based conversation here.

Jumping in and calling posters names is trolling.


OP is absolutely lucid, intelligent, articulate, and informed. You? Not so much. To you OP: You’re an incredible mother. You know this because it comes through in your writing. 90% of your goal was achieved because you got your son through it all and to the other side. He’s in a Paris University and thriving! You can and will cross the finish line. Your determination is clear. You’re strong. You deserve happiness and contentment. Your son needs you to get to the other side.

She is not.
You're definitely a troll and I am unaffected by trolls and a-holes, so live your best life. I suggest a mirror. To look at you and how ugly and messed up you are. Judge away and see how that works out for you and makes you feel inside.
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OP is absolutely lucid, intelligent, articulate, and informed. You? Not so much. To you OP: You’re an incredible mother. You know this because it comes through in your writing. 90% of your goal was achieved because you got your son through it all and to the other side. He’s in a Paris University and thriving! You can and will cross the finish line. Your determination is clear. You’re strong. You deserve happiness and contentment. Your son needs you to get to the other side.

OMG, thank you SO much! That's really sweet and I needed that! Women really need other women to get through. It's little things like that that have made all the difference. Many times, when I was on the phone with the bank or schools or whatever, just the operators encouraging me- it meant so much. I don't think men have any idea how hard it is. But thank you so much for your words. I thiink I did it and now I am going to make it! All the best!


You’re so very welcome!
Here’s a suggestion: Excellent law schools in NY (and PA if need be) require supervised pro bono public interest work. Columbia, NYU, Fordham, Queens College, St. John’s University and others. “Students who have completed at least two semesters of law school and law school graduates engaged as law interns in a legal aid organization whose principal office is located in this department shall be authorized to render legal services to and represent only persons who are financially unable to pay for legal services. (5) in family court, when under immediate supervision, to render legal services on motions and in contested matters, and, when under general supervision of a supervising attorney, in uncontested matters.” https://www.nycourts.gov/ad3/admissions/805.5_ActivitiesOfEligibleLawSTudents.pdf

Start here:
The Legal Aid Society of NY https://legalaidnyc.org/take-action/volunteer-with-us/
The New York States Courts https://www.nycourts.gov/

Columbia University
https://www.law.columbia.edu/careers/public-interest/pro-bono-requirement-and-program

Fordham University
https://www.fordham.edu/school-of-law/academics/registrars-office/bar-information/pro-bono-requirement/
https://www.fordham.edu/school-of-law/about/public-interest-and-service/

Hofstra University
https://law.hofstra.edu/academics/pro-bono-work/

Queens College
https://www.law.cuny.edu/students/student-affairs/pro-bono-public-service/

NYU
https://www.law.nyu.edu/publicinterestlawcenter/forstudents/nys-bar-pro-bono-requirement#:~:text=Pro%20bono%20work%20at%20a,and%20still%20satisfy%20the%20requirement

St. John’s University
https://www.stjohns.edu/law/online-student-center/pro-bono#:~:text=As%20such%2C%20the%20law%20school,unrepresented%20clients%2C%20groups%20and%20interests
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GenLeRoy wrote:
Anonymous wrote:4th, if you stayed with him, you two could've had lot of fun with this lifestyle without young kid to care for.
Gosh, I am not sure if you're hearing how emotionally abusive this guy is/was? Would you have fun living with a stone-cold, covert narcisstic with cluster b tendancies who didn't make eye contact with you or talk to you or sleep in your room? Sounds like a BLAST when the kid leaves. I would rather poke my eyes out with a sharp stick than have stayed with him, especially w/o my son. He was the only good thing about that marraige.


Sorry. I didn't read all posts. I assumed if they stayed together for so long, it's salvageable.
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OP is absolutely lucid, intelligent, articulate, and informed. You? Not so much. To you OP: You’re an incredible mother. You know this because it comes through in your writing. 90% of your goal was achieved because you got your son through it all and to the other side. He’s in a Paris University and thriving! You can and will cross the finish line. Your determination is clear. You’re strong. You deserve happiness and contentment. Your son needs you to get to the other side.

OMG, thank you SO much! That's really sweet and I needed that! Women really need other women to get through. It's little things like that that have made all the difference. Many times, when I was on the phone with the bank or schools or whatever, just the operators encouraging me- it meant so much. I don't think men have any idea how hard it is. But thank you so much for your words. I thiink I did it and now I am going to make it! All the best!


You’re so very welcome!
Here’s a suggestion: Excellent law schools in NY (and PA if need be) require supervised pro bono public interest work. Columbia, NYU, Fordham, Queens College, St. John’s University and others. “Students who have completed at least two semesters of law school and law school graduates engaged as law interns in a legal aid organization whose principal office is located in this department shall be authorized to render legal services to and represent only persons who are financially unable to pay for legal services. (5) in family court, when under immediate supervision, to render legal services on motions and in contested matters, and, when under general supervision of a supervising attorney, in uncontested matters.” https://www.nycourts.gov/ad3/admissions/805.5_ActivitiesOfEligibleLawSTudents.pdf

Start here:
The Legal Aid Society of NY https://legalaidnyc.org/take-action/volunteer-with-us/
The New York States Courts https://www.nycourts.gov/

Columbia University
https://www.law.columbia.edu/careers/public-interest/pro-bono-requirement-and-program

Fordham University
https://www.fordham.edu/school-of-law/academics/registrars-office/bar-information/pro-bono-requirement/
https://www.fordham.edu/school-of-law/about/public-interest-and-service/

Hofstra University
https://law.hofstra.edu/academics/pro-bono-work/

Queens College
https://www.law.cuny.edu/students/student-affairs/pro-bono-public-service/

NYU
https://www.law.nyu.edu/publicinterestlawcenter/forstudents/nys-bar-pro-bono-requirement#:~:text=Pro%20bono%20work%20at%20a,and%20still%20satisfy%20the%20requirement

St. John’s University
https://www.stjohns.edu/law/online-student-center/pro-bono#:~:text=As%20such%2C%20the%20law%20school,unrepresented%20clients%2C%20groups%20and%20interests Wow, thank you SO much for this! This must have taken a while to compile. I will call around, this one last time and cross my fingers and hope I get someone who will help. If I get no where, I will then just accept that, like we have heard for decades about the criminal justice system, that the family court is flawed and unfair and just move on...But I will have to spend the rest of my life helping other women going through this. THANK YOU for caring so much! IDK what women would do w/o other women!
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Anonymous wrote:4th, if you stayed with him, you two could've had lot of fun with this lifestyle without young kid to care for.
Gosh, I am not sure if you're hearing how emotionally abusive this guy is/was? Would you have fun living with a stone-cold, covert narcisstic with cluster b tendancies who didn't make eye contact with you or talk to you or sleep in your room? Sounds like a BLAST when the kid leaves. I would rather poke my eyes out with a sharp stick than have stayed with him, especially w/o my son. He was the only good thing about that marraige.


Sorry. I didn't read all posts. I assumed if they stayed together for so long, it's salvageable.
Oh, sorry, I thought you saw that...Didn't mean to be defensive. Of all the things I did, that one was the best and most sane thing I did. Thanks for clarifying.
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Anonymous wrote:Op, can you explain why you are living in nyc? Is there some benefit to that? It’s an incredibly expensive area.
Maybe you should move someplace cheaper.

I do recommend you stay away from red states that have not expanded Medicaid. You need good health insurance, so if you think of relocation spots, go to healthcare.gov, enter in the zip code, and see what sort of insurance the exchange has there.


NP. I had the same thought as this PP, but as a former NYC resident I sat with it and I think it’s a good location. NYC doesn’t require the investment of a car, transit is accessible and cheap, and healthcare is more readily available in most places I’ve lived save for Texas. Jobs are plentiful. But most importantly I think NYC has a really great system for housing lotteries for lower and middle income residents. OP, once you get a salaried job, you need to start getting yourself on every single list. Look in the NYT real estate section for stories about people who have landed affordable apartments after some time on the list. I knew more than a few people who went this route and regret not doing it when I was very stretched but not destitute in the City. This is not section 8 or public housing- it is for the apartments in already built or new buildings required to reserve a certain percentage of apartments for tenants of certain incomes.

https://housingconnect.nyc.gov/PublicWeb/search-lotteries

In the meantime you need to find a shared house or apartment in an outer borough to save money and avoid a huge deposit. By any chance did you go to a small college with supportive alumni, and do you have a college alma mater with an alumni email list? FB group? Anything? Post there. You don’t have to say you’re destitute, just that you’re restarting your life in NYC and looking for a temporary share while you decide what neighborhood is right for you. I literally saw a post like this on my alumni email list a while ago.

Next step is to apply for government and city agency jobs and executive assistant jobs. You don’t need to tell anyone the sad part of your life- you have had a hard time and maybe made a few bad decisions but you write in an engaging way that got more than a few of us to stick around with none of the usual “too long” complaints.

Please keep us updated. Many of us have come close to being in your situation or wonder if we might in the future.
Thanks for this! Yes, you highlighted a lot of why I have stayed (left and came back). This city sort of helps take care of you if you're struggling. I don't want to lose my residency. Yes, Housing Connect- I am aware. My struggle is, since I haven't had stable work, my salary constantly fluctuates and when your name comes up, it must match what you entered. It's like this vortex or gridlock I am stuck in. I posted something on Stephanie's Listing's Project and asked if someone would take me and my pets in as a roommate. I am working on a voucher program, but they only give Section 8 here now if the DA is working w/you on a DV case and this "white collar DV" isn't chargable. But I am trying and will keep doing so. Thanks for your helpful tips. I am so emotionally bankrupt is a big part of the problem. I can see what I need to do, I just feel like I have lost hope. I never thought this could happen to me and I am devasted. I gave so much and it just doesn't make sense. The thing about narcissists is that they wear masks and you don't know who they are til it's too late (I still don't know who he is...Who hides money from their son?!). Thank you for the tips! I will follow-up!


I use to work in subsidized housing so I can give you some tips.

You're right that it's extremely difficult to get a voucher in NYC without domestic violence preference. I hear you on your ex DH's emotional abuse, but in the end you're not likely to get this preference anyway because you're not actively fleeing abuse. You're already divorced/separated. This preference is for women who are living with abuser or are doubled up with family/in a shelter because they left an abusive husband.

I don't think you're right that your income must match exactly what you entered. I was in NY, but not NYC, and that does not make sense. What is true is that you have to report an income on your application that is below an income threshhold. And then, when your number is called - it could take years - you have to be below the threshold. The threshhold may increase due to inflation. But there is no way that your income has to be exactly the same as what you originally reported. Even someone on a fixed income like Social Security gets an annual increase. People in poverty have fluctuating incomes. There is no way they expect your income to be exactly the same - only that it continues to be below their income limits. Furthermore, now that your son is in college, you need to find out whether you're considered a one family or two family household. If you're a one member household, the threshhold will be lower. And also, some of these lists give preferences to families with children under 18, or disabled people. Now that your son is 18, you won't qualify as a family. You should find out if you are considered disabled. For Section 8 vouchers, the process is not onerous, it's a form your doctor signs that looks like this: https://www.hud.gov/sites/documents/90103.PDF It's not as difficult as applying for Social Security disability. This form also helps you get consideration like extra time on deadlines, but it won't waive the income requirement.

The other tip is to apply outside NYC. Upstate NY and Long Island have tons of small housing authorities with Section 8 vouchers. https://www.hud.gov/states/new_york/renting/hawebsites There are County-wide programs and also smaller village and township programs. CDCLI.org manages Nassau and Suffolk counties. Some of those waiting lists move significantly faster than the NYC one. You could get called up within a year. They will require you to live in their jurisdiction for one year. After a year, you can move anywhere in the US (it's called portability). If you can get the disability verification, then you could try to request a reasonable accommodation to use your voucher in NYC and waive the one year requirement. You would have to have sufficient reasons related to the disability (eg, a rare condition and network of doctors local to you that you can't leave). I wouldn't count on this, and you should assume you'll have to move, but it's only for a year. Once you have Section 8 it's forever and it's not easy to lose it.

Furthermore, there are many "project based" Section 8 vouchers in the state, including some decent ones on Long Island, and you can get on their lists. Again, you'll be required to live in that apartment for one year before you can request to convert to a "tenant-based" voucher that allows you to move wherever you want.

I can also recommend this blog for a lot of the tips and tricks how to advocate for yourself, write convincing letters, and demand appeals: https://howtogeton.wordpress.com/
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