Notre Dame reaffirms University’s commitment to legacy admissions after Supreme Court ruling

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Anonymous wrote:What this tells me is that ND doesn't even care about USNWR rankings. If they did, they would be trying to admit more people "of different backgrounds." Clearly they have no intention of adjusting to the whims of the USNWR methodology tweaks. This is what we love about ND...keep on doing what you do well and don't worry about perceptions.

They want to admit Catholics of all different backgrounds! Surprising and concerning that a (checks notes) Catholic university would do this.

No they don't. ND is only 3.4% African american!

Thats is about the same rate as UC Berkeley

dp.. but Cal is a state flagship where the majority are from CA. ND is a private school and does not serve a specific state. Apples to oranges.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:32% of ND Class of 2027 hails from the Midwest.

Midwest — the largest demographic by far. As reported by ND. Look it up.

So the f_ck what. Remember that this is the clueless post that led to this discussion?

“The Midwest is probably heavily white. I live in California, whites are a stark minority, especially in that age group. Hence UC’s are mostly people of color. Colleges in certain regions tend to reflect their population, regardless of whether they are private or public.”

It simply doesn’t apply to Notre Dame because a large majority of its students are NOT from the Midwest. This isn’t surprising because only one state in the Midwest (Illinois) is in the top ten in this country in percentage of residents who are Catholic. Again, most Catholics live on the coasts.

It’s just another example of someone pulling something out of their a$$ and the rest of DCUM running with it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They’re setting up the Supreme Court case. Supreme Court scholars, watchers and your dog-walker, all can see that by the same reasoning that minority admissions failed, legacy admissions must also fail. ND challenges this to the Supreme Court and their friends there will carve out a nice exception for them. Mark it.

Can you point me to the part of the constitution that deals with non-legacy students being a protected class?

YOu have to look not at just the individual but on the impact across certain segments. Even if they are not culling out based on race or whatever, "legacy" can be a proxy that has no legitimate relationship to merit AND tends to screen out a certain demographic. That's illegal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They’re setting up the Supreme Court case. Supreme Court scholars, watchers and your dog-walker, all can see that by the same reasoning that minority admissions failed, legacy admissions must also fail. ND challenges this to the Supreme Court and their friends there will carve out a nice exception for them. Mark it.

Can you point me to the part of the constitution that deals with non-legacy students being a protected class?

YOu have to look not at just the individual but on the impact across certain segments. Even if they are not culling out based on race or whatever, "legacy" can be a proxy that has no legitimate relationship to merit AND tends to screen out a certain demographic. That's illegal.

I'm rolling eyes. You're making up arguments that have no legal standing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:32% of ND Class of 2027 hails from the Midwest.

Midwest — the largest demographic by far. As reported by ND. Look it up.

32% means 2 out of every 3 students are not from the Midwest. Largest demographic is meaningless here

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:32% of ND Class of 2027 hails from the Midwest.

Midwest — the largest demographic by far. As reported by ND. Look it up.

32% means 2 out of every 3 students are not from the Midwest. Largest demographic is meaningless here

It means what it means.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:32% of ND Class of 2027 hails from the Midwest.

Midwest — the largest demographic by far. As reported by ND. Look it up.

So the f_ck what. Remember that this is the clueless post that led to this discussion?

“The Midwest is probably heavily white. I live in California, whites are a stark minority, especially in that age group. Hence UC’s are mostly people of color. Colleges in certain regions tend to reflect their population, regardless of whether they are private or public.”

It simply doesn’t apply to Notre Dame because a large majority of its students are NOT from the Midwest. This isn’t surprising because only one state in the Midwest (Illinois) is in the top ten in this country in percentage of residents who are Catholic. Again, most Catholics live on the coasts.

It’s just another example of someone pulling something out of their a$$ and the rest of DCUM running with it.

Look's like someone's clover is all aflutter.
The data is directly from ND's glossy page.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:32% of ND Class of 2027 hails from the Midwest.

Midwest — the largest demographic by far. As reported by ND. Look it up.

So the f_ck what. Remember that this is the clueless post that led to this discussion?

“The Midwest is probably heavily white. I live in California, whites are a stark minority, especially in that age group. Hence UC’s are mostly people of color. Colleges in certain regions tend to reflect their population, regardless of whether they are private or public.”

It simply doesn’t apply to Notre Dame because a large majority of its students are NOT from the Midwest. This isn’t surprising because only one state in the Midwest (Illinois) is in the top ten in this country in percentage of residents who are Catholic. Again, most Catholics live on the coasts.

It’s just another example of someone pulling something out of their a$$ and the rest of DCUM running with it.

Look's like someone's clover is all aflutter.
The data is directly from ND's glossy page.

God I hate dealing with idiots.

Let me dumb this down for you. The poster from California claims that ND is white because the Midwest is white and ND reflects the Midwest.

It doesn’t. So the poster is wrong.

No one has said that no one from the Midwest attends Notre Dame.

Simple enough for you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:32% of ND Class of 2027 hails from the Midwest.

Midwest — the largest demographic by far. As reported by ND. Look it up.

So the f_ck what. Remember that this is the clueless post that led to this discussion?

“The Midwest is probably heavily white. I live in California, whites are a stark minority, especially in that age group. Hence UC’s are mostly people of color. Colleges in certain regions tend to reflect their population, regardless of whether they are private or public.”

It simply doesn’t apply to Notre Dame because a large majority of its students are NOT from the Midwest. This isn’t surprising because only one state in the Midwest (Illinois) is in the top ten in this country in percentage of residents who are Catholic. Again, most Catholics live on the coasts.

It’s just another example of someone pulling something out of their a$$ and the rest of DCUM running with it.

Look's like someone's clover is all aflutter.
The data is directly from ND's glossy page.

I don’t think the source of the data is the problem. It’s your complete inability to understand it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:32% of ND Class of 2027 hails from the Midwest.

Midwest — the largest demographic by far. As reported by ND. Look it up.

So the f_ck what. Remember that this is the clueless post that led to this discussion?

“The Midwest is probably heavily white. I live in California, whites are a stark minority, especially in that age group. Hence UC’s are mostly people of color. Colleges in certain regions tend to reflect their population, regardless of whether they are private or public.”

It simply doesn’t apply to Notre Dame because a large majority of its students are NOT from the Midwest. This isn’t surprising because only one state in the Midwest (Illinois) is in the top ten in this country in percentage of residents who are Catholic. Again, most Catholics live on the coasts.

It’s just another example of someone pulling something out of their a$$ and the rest of DCUM running with it.

Look's like someone's clover is all aflutter.
The data is directly from ND's glossy page.

I don’t think the source of the data is the problem. It’s your complete inability to understand it.

Take it up with Fr. Jenkins

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They’re setting up the Supreme Court case. Supreme Court scholars, watchers and your dog-walker, all can see that by the same reasoning that minority admissions failed, legacy admissions must also fail. ND challenges this to the Supreme Court and their friends there will carve out a nice exception for them. Mark it.

Can you point me to the part of the constitution that deals with non-legacy students being a protected class?

YOu have to look not at just the individual but on the impact across certain segments. Even if they are not culling out based on race or whatever, "legacy" can be a proxy that has no legitimate relationship to merit AND tends to screen out a certain demographic. That's illegal.

Look up "diparate impact"

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/disparate_impact#:~:text=Primary%20tabs,refers%20to%20intentional%20discriminatory%20practice.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They’re setting up the Supreme Court case. Supreme Court scholars, watchers and your dog-walker, all can see that by the same reasoning that minority admissions failed, legacy admissions must also fail. ND challenges this to the Supreme Court and their friends there will carve out a nice exception for them. Mark it.

Can you point me to the part of the constitution that deals with non-legacy students being a protected class?

YOu have to look not at just the individual but on the impact across certain segments. Even if they are not culling out based on race or whatever, "legacy" can be a proxy that has no legitimate relationship to merit AND tends to screen out a certain demographic. That's illegal.

Look up "diparate impact"

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/disparate_impact#:~:text=Primary%20tabs,refers%20to%20intentional%20discriminatory%20practice.

(This comment was directed to PP who didn't understand.)

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Anonymous wrote:https://ndsmcobserver.com/2023/08/kidder-reaffirms-universitys-commitment-to-legacy-admissions-after-supreme-court-ruling/

As a legacy family with one child who just graduated from ND and one in HS who really wants to attend, we are relieved.

As legacy admissions programs at elite universities face heightened scrutiny in the wake of the Supreme Court’s ruling striking down affirmative action in college admissions, Notre Dame reaffirmed the practice will continue to play a role in admissions.

Micki Kidder, vice president for undergraduate enrollment, explained in an interview with The Observer that legacy admissions are still important to Notre Dame going forward.

“Notre Dame alumni are deeply devoted to this place,” Kidder said. “I would argue it’s actually legendary within higher education, possibly unmatched within higher education … This dedication is something we greatly value and we don’t want to ignore it.”

As a legacy family with one child in high school and one in middle school, I am tremendously disappointed in my alma matre. Off to send yet another email to Fr Jenkins.

Father Jenkins cares about the donor families, not you.

There are many Catholic Asians. This isn’t about Asian discrimination. It’s about preserving the institution and the endowment.

Be practical for a minute…do you really think big universities could support niche fields and scholarship kids without them? Look at the complaints on the WVU thread where people are upset they are eliminating majors with literally 4 students. Why? They can’t afford the programs any more. ND is being responsible by keeping the cash flow coming in.

Oh, right. Their primary objective is money, rather than being true to their faith.

Sure, a college is a business, but ND should be honest about itself and not pretend to follow Christ's teaching.

They need to change their goals and vision:

In an effort to achieve its overall aspiration of becoming a preeminent research university with a distinctive Catholic mission and an unsurpassed undergraduate education, the University of Notre Dame strives to meet five institutional goals:

Ensure that our Catholic character informs all our endeavors

Should read:

In an effort to achieve its overall aspiration of becoming a preeminent research university with a distinctive *keep the cash flow coming*, and an unsurpassed undergraduate education, the University of Notre Dame strives to meet five institutional goals:

Ensure that our *cash flow* informs all our endeavors

https://iris.nd.edu/university-strategic-plan/university-vision-and-goals/

Again, be realistic. ND needs money to do all the things it does for people of faith. If they stop caring about the future of the endowment, there will be no charitable works, scholarship students, programs assisting the poor around the world, study programs focused on mission…

ND is an institution, not a person. It doesn’t need to fit through the eye of a needle. It needs to be financially savvy. And it is.

oh, right, I forgot about the part where Jesus said that institutions claiming to follow Christ's teachings are actually exempt from His teachings.

And give me a break.. you think they want legacies so that they could continue with all their wonderful charities? LOL

Kind of ironic that you claim ND needs funding to continue with the "study programs focused on their mission" of Jesus teachings so they must continue with legacies which usually means it helps the wealthy.

It's like when rich people throw outlandish parties and balls in the name of feeding the poor. The dichotomy is just astounding.

Spare me, those events raise a shit-ton of $

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:32% of ND Class of 2027 hails from the Midwest.

Midwest — the largest demographic by far. As reported by ND. Look it up.

So the f_ck what. Remember that this is the clueless post that led to this discussion?

“The Midwest is probably heavily white. I live in California, whites are a stark minority, especially in that age group. Hence UC’s are mostly people of color. Colleges in certain regions tend to reflect their population, regardless of whether they are private or public.”

It simply doesn’t apply to Notre Dame because a large majority of its students are NOT from the Midwest. This isn’t surprising because only one state in the Midwest (Illinois) is in the top ten in this country in percentage of residents who are Catholic. Again, most Catholics live on the coasts.

It’s just another example of someone pulling something out of their a$$ and the rest of DCUM running with it.

Ok, you are right in that regard. But what is your underlying point? That legacy status should not be taken into consideration? As of now, they are legally allowed to do so. Even if they stopped considering legacy, ND can still build a class of likeminded Catholics if that’s what they want to do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:32% of ND Class of 2027 hails from the Midwest.

Midwest — the largest demographic by far. As reported by ND. Look it up.

So the f_ck what. Remember that this is the clueless post that led to this discussion?

“The Midwest is probably heavily white. I live in California, whites are a stark minority, especially in that age group. Hence UC’s are mostly people of color. Colleges in certain regions tend to reflect their population, regardless of whether they are private or public.”

It simply doesn’t apply to Notre Dame because a large majority of its students are NOT from the Midwest. This isn’t surprising because only one state in the Midwest (Illinois) is in the top ten in this country in percentage of residents who are Catholic. Again, most Catholics live on the coasts.

It’s just another example of someone pulling something out of their a$$ and the rest of DCUM running with it.

Ok, you are right in that regard. But what is your underlying point? That legacy status should not be taken into consideration? As of now, they are legally allowed to do so. Even if they stopped considering legacy, ND can still build a class of likeminded Catholics if that’s what they want to do.

I have no “underlying point” whatsoever. I was merely responding to someone who had no idea what she was talking about, and was flabbergasted when several others piled on in support of her know nothingness.