Notre Dame reaffirms University’s commitment to legacy admissions after Supreme Court ruling

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Anonymous wrote:Legacy probablyy the most efficient way to build the singular, similar mindset of the next generation that ND seeks?

Efficiency doesn’t equal moral or ethical. Which is fine. It’s a choice.

There is nothing immoral or unethical about legacy admissions, despite the desperate efforts to portray them as such.

There is for an institution that purports to follow Christ's teachings.

How so? When you have to choose a small group from a large pool of qualified applicants, what in your opinion is the morally superior way to select a class?

Legacy mostly helps the wealthy. Christ doesn't teach to help the wealthy. If ND really wanted to follow Christ's teachings they would serve "the least of us", and lower their tuition rather than relying on legacy donations, which again, mostly helps the wealthy. I mean, Jesus Himself was not Catholic.

Instead, they have stated that keeping tradition is more important.

Those legacy families are enabling the endowment, which in turn, enables financial aid to students in need. college is a business. Jesus is not around to pay the tuition for the masses. He would understand.

Wow. We have Jesus’ spokesperson on the thread. We are truly blessed.

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For Notre Dame, legacy is who they are. It's a community, a family. Their greeting to newly admitted students is "Welcome Home," and that is really what it feels like when you are there. It is a warm and joyful place for those who understand and "get it." ND is not going to change. If you don't like it, there are so many other schools to choose from.

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The way the world attacks anything Christian really boosts my faith in the Bible.
“This is the condemnation. Light has come into the world but the world loved darkness rather than light because their deeds are evil.”
“ We know that we are from God, but the whole world temporarily lies in the power of the evil one.”

Way to excuse your own bad behavior. Pointing out that you’re a hypocrite is just an attack on being Christian and this reinforces your faith. Got it.

Everybody in the world is a hypocrite. Everybody in the world is a sinner. Christians know Christ is the lifeline to heaven. The world relentlessly attacks the lifeline.

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The way the world attacks anything Christian really boosts my faith in the Bible.
“This is the condemnation. Light has come into the world but the world loved darkness rather than light because their deeds are evil.”
“ We know that we are from God, but the whole world temporarily lies in the power of the evil one.”

Way to excuse your own bad behavior. Pointing out that you’re a hypocrite is just an attack on being Christian and this reinforces your faith. Got it.

Everybody in the world is a hypocrite. Everybody in the world is a sinner. Christians know Christ is the lifeline to heaven. The world relentlessly attacks the lifeline.

It’s not an excuse not to change your behavior is it?

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The way the world attacks anything Christian really boosts my faith in the Bible.
“This is the condemnation. Light has come into the world but the world loved darkness rather than light because their deeds are evil.”
“ We know that we are from God, but the whole world temporarily lies in the power of the evil one.”

Way to excuse your own bad behavior. Pointing out that you’re a hypocrite is just an attack on being Christian and this reinforces your faith. Got it.

Everybody in the world is a hypocrite. Everybody in the world is a sinner. Christians know Christ is the lifeline to heaven. The world relentlessly attacks the lifeline.

It’s not an excuse not to change your behavior is it?

Absolutely not. It’s just the big picture and all encompassing situation. When the light goes on all the puzzle pieces come together. Events and popular reactions become totally predictable.

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Anonymous wrote:“ But private universities should be free to do as they please. Notre Dame is little cultish. But so what? ”

That’s fine. ND wants to be a great research university. So let ND forego all federal dollars for research. I don’t want my taxes going to encourage a school that seems to proudly admit legacy admissions. Even more particularly when you know they are very much slanted towards one religious group.

Nd really isn’t a research university

Yes They have some graduate programs but your median big 10 state school will out produce ND at research over a wider variety of fields

Dumb.
There are only 39 private R1 research schools in the US.
ND is one of them, and at the same time, it emphasize on undergraduate education.
My kid is a sophomore at ND, and already got a research assistant position.
It's a great combination of best of the both the worlds for undergrads - National research univ and LAC

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Anonymous wrote:Legacy probablyy the most efficient way to build the singular, similar mindset of the next generation that ND seeks?

Efficiency doesn’t equal moral or ethical. Which is fine. It’s a choice.

There is nothing immoral or unethical about legacy admissions, despite the desperate efforts to portray them as such.

There is for an institution that purports to follow Christ's teachings.

How so? When you have to choose a small group from a large pool of qualified applicants, what in your opinion is the morally superior way to select a class?

Not using legacy would be a start.

Ok, what would be a start? Since you have a direct line to Christ and know what he wants, tell us what the process should look like. Be very specific.

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Anonymous wrote:Legacy probablyy the most efficient way to build the singular, similar mindset of the next generation that ND seeks?

Efficiency doesn’t equal moral or ethical. Which is fine. It’s a choice.

There is nothing immoral or unethical about legacy admissions, despite the desperate efforts to portray them as such.

There is for an institution that purports to follow Christ's teachings.

How so? When you have to choose a small group from a large pool of qualified applicants, what in your opinion is the morally superior way to select a class?

Not using legacy would be a start.

Ok, what would be a start? Since you have a direct line to Christ and know what he wants, tell us what the process should look like. Be very specific.

Well I already said a start would be to stop legacy admissions. Make tuition free. Two steps that would help.

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Anonymous wrote:Legacy probablyy the most efficient way to build the singular, similar mindset of the next generation that ND seeks?

Efficiency doesn’t equal moral or ethical. Which is fine. It’s a choice.

There is nothing immoral or unethical about legacy admissions, despite the desperate efforts to portray them as such.

There is for an institution that purports to follow Christ's teachings.

How so? When you have to choose a small group from a large pool of qualified applicants, what in your opinion is the morally superior way to select a class?

Not using legacy would be a start.

Ok, what would be a start? Since you have a direct line to Christ and know what he wants, tell us what the process should look like. Be very specific.

Well I already said a start would be to stop legacy admissions. Make tuition free. Two steps that would help.

Make tuition free!? Where will this money come from? How do we decide who is worthy of this free tuition? Again be specific because I don't think you have the foggiest idea. But go on.... enlighten us.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes but Asians and whites attend college at a rate greater than their current percentage of population. Hispanics and other URMs do not. It will likely stay that way for some time.

but if ND wants to have the majority of its students be Catholics, then they'll have to admit more Hispanic students.

Discriminate based on religion?

Most of their legacy admits are Catholic. Are they discriminating based on religion?

Sure seems that way.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes but Asians and whites attend college at a rate greater than their current percentage of population. Hispanics and other URMs do not. It will likely stay that way for some time.

but if ND wants to have the majority of its students be Catholics, then they'll have to admit more Hispanic students.

Discriminate based on religion?

Most of their legacy admits are Catholic. Are they discriminating based on religion?

Sure seems that way.

Yes, it is true that many ND families started attending ND a few generations ago because top east coast schools outside of Georgetown discriminated against Catholics (though not to the extent they did against Jewish applicants).

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Anonymous wrote:Legacy probablyy the most efficient way to build the singular, similar mindset of the next generation that ND seeks?

Efficiency doesn’t equal moral or ethical. Which is fine. It’s a choice.

There is nothing immoral or unethical about legacy admissions, despite the desperate efforts to portray them as such.

There is for an institution that purports to follow Christ's teachings.

How so? When you have to choose a small group from a large pool of qualified applicants, what in your opinion is the morally superior way to select a class?

Not using legacy would be a start.

Ok, what would be a start? Since you have a direct line to Christ and know what he wants, tell us what the process should look like. Be very specific.

Well I already said a start would be to stop legacy admissions. Make tuition free. Two steps that would help.

Make tuition free!? Where will this money come from? How do we decide who is worthy of this free tuition? Again be specific because I don't think you have the foggiest idea. But go on.... enlighten us.

From the $20 billion endowment or the earnings off of it. Interesting that you look to a non catholic to assist you in fulfilling your catholic duties.

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Anonymous wrote:Legacy probablyy the most efficient way to build the singular, similar mindset of the next generation that ND seeks?

Efficiency doesn’t equal moral or ethical. Which is fine. It’s a choice.

There is nothing immoral or unethical about legacy admissions, despite the desperate efforts to portray them as such.

There is for an institution that purports to follow Christ's teachings.

How so? When you have to choose a small group from a large pool of qualified applicants, what in your opinion is the morally superior way to select a class?

Not using legacy would be a start.

Ok, what would be a start? Since you have a direct line to Christ and know what he wants, tell us what the process should look like. Be very specific.

Well I already said a start would be to stop legacy admissions. Make tuition free. Two steps that would help.

Make tuition free!? Where will this money come from? How do we decide who is worthy of this free tuition? Again be specific because I don't think you have the foggiest idea. But go on.... enlighten us.

From the $20 billion endowment or the earnings off of it. Interesting that you look to a non catholic to assist you in fulfilling your catholic duties.

I think you misunderstand the endowment, how it is managed, and the ways in which a lot of it can be used.

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Anonymous wrote:Legacy probablyy the most efficient way to build the singular, similar mindset of the next generation that ND seeks?

Efficiency doesn’t equal moral or ethical. Which is fine. It’s a choice.

There is nothing immoral or unethical about legacy admissions, despite the desperate efforts to portray them as such.

There is for an institution that purports to follow Christ's teachings.

How so? When you have to choose a small group from a large pool of qualified applicants, what in your opinion is the morally superior way to select a class?

Not using legacy would be a start.

Ok, what would be a start? Since you have a direct line to Christ and know what he wants, tell us what the process should look like. Be very specific.

Well I already said a start would be to stop legacy admissions. Make tuition free. Two steps that would help.

Make tuition free!? Where will this money come from? How do we decide who is worthy of this free tuition? Again be specific because I don't think you have the foggiest idea. But go on.... enlighten us.

From the $20 billion endowment or the earnings off of it. Interesting that you look to a non catholic to assist you in fulfilling your catholic duties.

It's Catholic. And who is worthy? Keep going...

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Anonymous wrote:Legacy probablyy the most efficient way to build the singular, similar mindset of the next generation that ND seeks?

Efficiency doesn’t equal moral or ethical. Which is fine. It’s a choice.

There is nothing immoral or unethical about legacy admissions, despite the desperate efforts to portray them as such.

There is for an institution that purports to follow Christ's teachings.

How so? When you have to choose a small group from a large pool of qualified applicants, what in your opinion is the morally superior way to select a class?

Not using legacy would be a start.

Ok, what would be a start? Since you have a direct line to Christ and know what he wants, tell us what the process should look like. Be very specific.

Well I already said a start would be to stop legacy admissions. Make tuition free. Two steps that would help.

Make tuition free!? Where will this money come from? How do we decide who is worthy of this free tuition? Again be specific because I don't think you have the foggiest idea. But go on.... enlighten us.

From the $20 billion endowment or the earnings off of it. Interesting that you look to a non catholic to assist you in fulfilling your catholic duties.

I think you misunderstand the endowment, how it is managed, and the ways in which a lot of it can be used.

DP.. then, explain how much of the endowment is used for what purpose, specifically. The amount and the specific use.

Then, we can tell whether they have enough in their endowment to either make the tuition free or lower the tuition so that they don't have to rely on rich people for money.