Notre Dame reaffirms University’s commitment to legacy admissions after Supreme Court ruling

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Anonymous wrote:https://ndsmcobserver.com/2023/08/kidder-reaffirms-universitys-commitment-to-legacy-admissions-after-supreme-court-ruling/

As a legacy family with one child who just graduated from ND and one in HS who really wants to attend, we are relieved.

As legacy admissions programs at elite universities face heightened scrutiny in the wake of the Supreme Court’s ruling striking down affirmative action in college admissions, Notre Dame reaffirmed the practice will continue to play a role in admissions.

Micki Kidder, vice president for undergraduate enrollment, explained in an interview with The Observer that legacy admissions are still important to Notre Dame going forward.

“Notre Dame alumni are deeply devoted to this place,” Kidder said. “I would argue it’s actually legendary within higher education, possibly unmatched within higher education … This dedication is something we greatly value and we don’t want to ignore it.”

As a legacy family with one child in high school and one in middle school, I am tremendously disappointed in my alma matre. Off to send yet another email to Fr Jenkins.

how very Christ like you are. Did ND teach you that? Oh, wait, I guess it did.

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Anonymous wrote:Turning their backs on the portion of the Church growing the most and putting butts into pews: Hispanic/Latino American Catholics

Unless nd opens a branch campus in Miami or El Paso, Latinos aren’t gonna go to south bend

Know several wealthy Latinos who went to Notre Dame. Families from Latin Am countries.

Yes, that would be the 11% latino that ND admits. Whooptidoo, especially in light of the fat that ND is only 3.3% black

From Wikipedia: "There are currently around 3 million Black Catholics in the United States, making up 6% of the total population of African Americans, who are mostly Protestant, and 4% of American Catholics." So if 4% of Catholics are black, it would seem that the % of blacks at ND matches the population, considering most students are Catholic.

So Notre Dame has a football team?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://ndsmcobserver.com/2023/08/kidder-reaffirms-universitys-commitment-to-legacy-admissions-after-supreme-court-ruling/

As a legacy family with one child who just graduated from ND and one in HS who really wants to attend, we are relieved.

As legacy admissions programs at elite universities face heightened scrutiny in the wake of the Supreme Court’s ruling striking down affirmative action in college admissions, Notre Dame reaffirmed the practice will continue to play a role in admissions.

Micki Kidder, vice president for undergraduate enrollment, explained in an interview with The Observer that legacy admissions are still important to Notre Dame going forward.

“Notre Dame alumni are deeply devoted to this place,” Kidder said. “I would argue it’s actually legendary within higher education, possibly unmatched within higher education … This dedication is something we greatly value and we don’t want to ignore it.”

As a legacy family with one child in high school and one in middle school, I am tremendously disappointed in my alma matre. Off to send yet another email to Fr Jenkins.

how very Christ like you are. Did ND teach you that? Oh, wait, I guess it did.

THhe meek may inherit the earth, but until then ND is for the rich

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I'm Catholic and can't imagine sending a kid to ND over Georgetown or BC

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Anonymous wrote:What this tells me is that ND doesn't even care about USNWR rankings. If they did, they would be trying to admit more people "of different backgrounds." Clearly they have no intention of adjusting to the whims of the USNWR methodology tweaks. This is what we love about ND...keep on doing what you do well and don't worry about perceptions.

What you really love about ND is that it is 65% white and happy keeping it that way. Like we don’t know what “different backgrounds” means.

So they admit white people at about the same percent as they exist in the US population. Very surprising, so many schools go out of their way to make sure that doesn’t happen.

Those schools don’t really have to “go out of their way” to limit white enrollment. As a group, Asian Americans are much, much more academically qualified than white applicants. Most kids scoring over 1450 on the SAT are Asian, for example. So any school that cares about grades and test scores should be predominantly Asian. They’re going out of their way to stay 40% white.

I see, so let’s say Asians who represent 7.5% of the US population attend college at twice the rate of their population percentage then they would have 15% representation at many schools.

We know that many other URMs for a variety of reasons are underrepresented at many schools. So, when you look at colleges “by the numbers” pages something just doesn’t add up, does it?

Although, if I remember correctly some schools such as the University of Maryland count Asians as white.

? what? No, they don't, at least not in their demographics reporting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm Catholic and can't imagine sending a kid to ND over Georgetown or BC

How Catholic are you? Do you care about your child’s faith relationship?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://ndsmcobserver.com/2023/08/kidder-reaffirms-universitys-commitment-to-legacy-admissions-after-supreme-court-ruling/

As a legacy family with one child who just graduated from ND and one in HS who really wants to attend, we are relieved.

As legacy admissions programs at elite universities face heightened scrutiny in the wake of the Supreme Court’s ruling striking down affirmative action in college admissions, Notre Dame reaffirmed the practice will continue to play a role in admissions.

Micki Kidder, vice president for undergraduate enrollment, explained in an interview with The Observer that legacy admissions are still important to Notre Dame going forward.

“Notre Dame alumni are deeply devoted to this place,” Kidder said. “I would argue it’s actually legendary within higher education, possibly unmatched within higher education … This dedication is something we greatly value and we don’t want to ignore it.”

As a legacy family with one child in high school and one in middle school, I am tremendously disappointed in my alma matre. Off to send yet another email to Fr Jenkins.

Father Jenkins cares about the donor families, not you.

There are many Catholic Asians. This isn’t about Asian discrimination. It’s about preserving the institution and the endowment.

Be practical for a minute…do you really think big universities could support niche fields and scholarship kids without them? Look at the complaints on the WVU thread where people are upset they are eliminating majors with literally 4 students. Why? They can’t afford the programs any more. ND is being responsible by keeping the cash flow coming in.

Oh, right. Their primary objective is money, rather than being true to their faith.

Sure, a college is a business, but ND should be honest about itself and not pretend to follow Christ's teaching.

They need to change their goals and vision:

In an effort to achieve its overall aspiration of becoming a preeminent research university with a distinctive Catholic mission and an unsurpassed undergraduate education, the University of Notre Dame strives to meet five institutional goals:

Ensure that our Catholic character informs all our endeavors

Should read:

In an effort to achieve its overall aspiration of becoming a preeminent research university with a distinctive *keep the cash flow coming*, and an unsurpassed undergraduate education, the University of Notre Dame strives to meet five institutional goals:

Ensure that our *cash flow* informs all our endeavors

https://iris.nd.edu/university-strategic-plan/university-vision-and-goals/

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Anonymous wrote:I'm Catholic and can't imagine sending a kid to ND over Georgetown or BC

How Catholic are you? Do you care about your child’s faith relationship?

And if you care that much, you really shouldn't send your kid to a college that cares more about money than anything else. That's the antithesis of Christ's teachings.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://ndsmcobserver.com/2023/08/kidder-reaffirms-universitys-commitment-to-legacy-admissions-after-supreme-court-ruling/

As a legacy family with one child who just graduated from ND and one in HS who really wants to attend, we are relieved.

As legacy admissions programs at elite universities face heightened scrutiny in the wake of the Supreme Court’s ruling striking down affirmative action in college admissions, Notre Dame reaffirmed the practice will continue to play a role in admissions.

Micki Kidder, vice president for undergraduate enrollment, explained in an interview with The Observer that legacy admissions are still important to Notre Dame going forward.

“Notre Dame alumni are deeply devoted to this place,” Kidder said. “I would argue it’s actually legendary within higher education, possibly unmatched within higher education … This dedication is something we greatly value and we don’t want to ignore it.”

As a legacy family with one child in high school and one in middle school, I am tremendously disappointed in my alma matre. Off to send yet another email to Fr Jenkins.

Father Jenkins cares about the donor families, not you.

There are many Catholic Asians. This isn’t about Asian discrimination. It’s about preserving the institution and the endowment.

Be practical for a minute…do you really think big universities could support niche fields and scholarship kids without them? Look at the complaints on the WVU thread where people are upset they are eliminating majors with literally 4 students. Why? They can’t afford the programs any more. ND is being responsible by keeping the cash flow coming in.

Oh, right. Their primary objective is money, rather than being true to their faith.

Sure, a college is a business, but ND should be honest about itself and not pretend to follow Christ's teaching.

They need to change their goals and vision:

In an effort to achieve its overall aspiration of becoming a preeminent research university with a distinctive Catholic mission and an unsurpassed undergraduate education, the University of Notre Dame strives to meet five institutional goals:

Ensure that our Catholic character informs all our endeavors

Should read:

In an effort to achieve its overall aspiration of becoming a preeminent research university with a distinctive *keep the cash flow coming*, and an unsurpassed undergraduate education, the University of Notre Dame strives to meet five institutional goals:

Ensure that our *cash flow* informs all our endeavors

https://iris.nd.edu/university-strategic-plan/university-vision-and-goals/

Are you sure those are Notre Dame's goals? I see no mention of Touchdown Jesus

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://ndsmcobserver.com/2023/08/kidder-reaffirms-universitys-commitment-to-legacy-admissions-after-supreme-court-ruling/

As a legacy family with one child who just graduated from ND and one in HS who really wants to attend, we are relieved.

As legacy admissions programs at elite universities face heightened scrutiny in the wake of the Supreme Court’s ruling striking down affirmative action in college admissions, Notre Dame reaffirmed the practice will continue to play a role in admissions.

Micki Kidder, vice president for undergraduate enrollment, explained in an interview with The Observer that legacy admissions are still important to Notre Dame going forward.

“Notre Dame alumni are deeply devoted to this place,” Kidder said. “I would argue it’s actually legendary within higher education, possibly unmatched within higher education … This dedication is something we greatly value and we don’t want to ignore it.”

As a legacy family with one child in high school and one in middle school, I am tremendously disappointed in my alma matre. Off to send yet another email to Fr Jenkins.

Father Jenkins cares about the donor families, not you.

There are many Catholic Asians. This isn’t about Asian discrimination. It’s about preserving the institution and the endowment.

Be practical for a minute…do you really think big universities could support niche fields and scholarship kids without them? Look at the complaints on the WVU thread where people are upset they are eliminating majors with literally 4 students. Why? They can’t afford the programs any more. ND is being responsible by keeping the cash flow coming in.

Oh, right. Their primary objective is money, rather than being true to their faith.

Sure, a college is a business, but ND should be honest about itself and not pretend to follow Christ's teaching.

They need to change their goals and vision:

In an effort to achieve its overall aspiration of becoming a preeminent research university with a distinctive Catholic mission and an unsurpassed undergraduate education, the University of Notre Dame strives to meet five institutional goals:

Ensure that our Catholic character informs all our endeavors

Should read:

In an effort to achieve its overall aspiration of becoming a preeminent research university with a distinctive *keep the cash flow coming*, and an unsurpassed undergraduate education, the University of Notre Dame strives to meet five institutional goals:

Ensure that our *cash flow* informs all our endeavors

https://iris.nd.edu/university-strategic-plan/university-vision-and-goals/

Are you sure those are Notre Dame's goals? I see no mention of Touchdown Jesus

IDK.. what does "a distinctive Catholic mission" mean?

If you look at the Catholic church, they do care about money a lot. So, maybe their goals do align with the Catholic church.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://ndsmcobserver.com/2023/08/kidder-reaffirms-universitys-commitment-to-legacy-admissions-after-supreme-court-ruling/

As a legacy family with one child who just graduated from ND and one in HS who really wants to attend, we are relieved.

As legacy admissions programs at elite universities face heightened scrutiny in the wake of the Supreme Court’s ruling striking down affirmative action in college admissions, Notre Dame reaffirmed the practice will continue to play a role in admissions.

Micki Kidder, vice president for undergraduate enrollment, explained in an interview with The Observer that legacy admissions are still important to Notre Dame going forward.

“Notre Dame alumni are deeply devoted to this place,” Kidder said. “I would argue it’s actually legendary within higher education, possibly unmatched within higher education … This dedication is something we greatly value and we don’t want to ignore it.”

As a legacy family with one child in high school and one in middle school, I am tremendously disappointed in my alma matre. Off to send yet another email to Fr Jenkins.

Father Jenkins cares about the donor families, not you.

There are many Catholic Asians. This isn’t about Asian discrimination. It’s about preserving the institution and the endowment.

Be practical for a minute…do you really think big universities could support niche fields and scholarship kids without them? Look at the complaints on the WVU thread where people are upset they are eliminating majors with literally 4 students. Why? They can’t afford the programs any more. ND is being responsible by keeping the cash flow coming in.

Oh, right. Their primary objective is money, rather than being true to their faith.

Sure, a college is a business, but ND should be honest about itself and not pretend to follow Christ's teaching.

They need to change their goals and vision:

In an effort to achieve its overall aspiration of becoming a preeminent research university with a distinctive Catholic mission and an unsurpassed undergraduate education, the University of Notre Dame strives to meet five institutional goals:

Ensure that our Catholic character informs all our endeavors

Should read:

In an effort to achieve its overall aspiration of becoming a preeminent research university with a distinctive *keep the cash flow coming*, and an unsurpassed undergraduate education, the University of Notre Dame strives to meet five institutional goals:

Ensure that our *cash flow* informs all our endeavors

https://iris.nd.edu/university-strategic-plan/university-vision-and-goals/

Again, be realistic. ND needs money to do all the things it does for people of faith. If they stop caring about the future of the endowment, there will be no charitable works, scholarship students, programs assisting the poor around the world, study programs focused on mission…

ND is an institution, not a person. It doesn’t need to fit through the eye of a needle. It needs to be financially savvy. And it is.

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Anonymous wrote:What this tells me is that ND doesn't even care about USNWR rankings. If they did, they would be trying to admit more people "of different backgrounds." Clearly they have no intention of adjusting to the whims of the USNWR methodology tweaks. This is what we love about ND...keep on doing what you do well and don't worry about perceptions.

What you really love about ND is that it is 65% white and happy keeping it that way. Like we don’t know what “different backgrounds” means.

So they admit white people at about the same percent as they exist in the US population. Very surprising, so many schools go out of their way to make sure that doesn’t happen.

Those schools don’t really have to “go out of their way” to limit white enrollment. As a group, Asian Americans are much, much more academically qualified than white applicants. Most kids scoring over 1450 on the SAT are Asian, for example. So any school that cares about grades and test scores should be predominantly Asian. They’re going out of their way to stay 40% white.

I see, so let’s say Asians who represent 7.5% of the US population attend college at twice the rate of their population percentage then they would have 15% representation at many schools.

We know that many other URMs for a variety of reasons are underrepresented at many schools. So, when you look at colleges “by the numbers” pages something just doesn’t add up, does it?

Although, if I remember correctly some schools such as the University of Maryland count Asians as white.

? what? No, they don't, at least not in their demographics reporting.

Apparently only in 2021 - https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna6151. I stand corrected.

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I’m a Notre Dame grad. One of my kids got in as a legacy and probably wouldn’t have without being one. They went elsewhere. Then another one of my kids with somewhat better credentials applied and was summarily rejected. Not even waitlisted. We’re talking well over a 4.0 with 10 APs, a varsity sport and lots of volunteer hours. I was surprised and wondered if it was because the older sibling had turned it down. (It was also the case that they really weren’t interested in attending either and applied only for the legacy bump, but I don’t know if that came through in the application).

I honestly thought Notre Dame would take the lead in abolishing legacy admissions, which in hindsight was stupid of me. It’s too important to the school’s character. Having said that, I know from personal experience that they don’t just let any legacy in.

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Not a Catholic university taking the lead on exclusion.

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Anonymous wrote:What this tells me is that ND doesn't even care about USNWR rankings. If they did, they would be trying to admit more people "of different backgrounds." Clearly they have no intention of adjusting to the whims of the USNWR methodology tweaks. This is what we love about ND...keep on doing what you do well and don't worry about perceptions.

What you really love about ND is that it is 65% white and happy keeping it that way. Like we don’t know what “different backgrounds” means.

Isn’t the country as a whole 70% white? That seems like a reasonable diversity number for ND, especially since they are mostly attracting Catholics, a religion not that popular among African-Americans and many Asian groups.

College age student demographics is about 52% white. Not 70.