FCPS not following the new state models

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I'd love to know how much FCPS paid for the surveys and how much they are paying to "interpret" them.

https://defendinged.org/incidents/test/

On Sept. 9, 2021, Fairfax County Public Schools signed “Amendment 2,” a new agreement to pay $2,445,300 to Panorama Education to collect confidential data on “all” 180,000+ K-12 Fairfax County Public School children, a $599,640 increase over the already outrageous $1,845,660 contract inked on June 8, 2021. According to the five-year “acceptance agreement,” contract No. 44000010525, dated June 8, 2021, the pricing schedule includes five annual payments with three optional one-year extensions

Thanks, Assra

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A few additional fun facts about the for-profit SEL and Panorama:

1. Panorama is co-founded by Attorney General Merrick Garland’s son-in-law, Xan Tanner.
2. Garland targeted parents and labeled them as domestic terrorists for speaking up at school board meetings and had the FBI investigating them. One of the things parents spoke against was the SEL program at schools.
3. The questions in the screener are extremely INTRUSIVE in that they question students about personal things, such as sexual orientation. Adults shouldn’t be asking these kind of questions to minors because it normalizes strangers crossing children’s boundaries. That is a safety concern and it should be illegal to do so.
4. In spite of opting out from the SEL screener, FCPS still instructs ALL students on SEL practices and spends an excessive amount of resources, such as time and money, to train teachers on this for-profit program. Many parents complained in this blog that they couldn’t understand the SEL reports on their children. Neither could the teachers.
5. Last year, parents complained that in spite of submitting the Opt-out form for SEL, the SIS system still would show the kids as participating.
6. Even if you Opt your child out, Panorama still has access to your child’s student information with FCPS.

To get a better idea about the conflict of interest SEL represents in FCPS, this is a good read:

https://nypost.com/2021/10/13/critical-race-theory-firm-linked-to-ag-garlands-kin-serves-schoolscompany-co-founded-by-ag-garlands-son-in-law-serves-over-20k-schools/

The absolute LIES you are believing is incredible!

For the 100th time, the SEL screener asks ZERO questions about anyone’s sexual orientation. NONE.

I have no idea what this “SEL program” is that teachers are trained on. It literally doesn’t exist. There are various curriculums that school counselors use in their monthly lessons, but that’s been happening since the dawn of time.

I am really concerned about your paranoia and inability to think critically. You’ve taken some article from a NY paper and somehow extrapolated it to apply to FCPS. But then again, you probably don’t even have kids or even live in Fairfax County.

Now that you have shared how you feel about my posting, care to share some factual information about your position? For example, what lies are you referring to, particularly in the news article? Why do you think they are lies?

Furthermore, if you think SEL is beneficial to the schools of FCPS, care to explain why the staff shortage a few days prior to the beginning of the school year? Can you also elaborate particularly in the correlation between SEL already bearing fruit by helping students and staff overcome social and emotional challenges and the state of our schools in FCPS nowadays? Lastly, how has this program (SEL) improved the mental health and social relationships among students and staff so far? Most importantly, how it has increased the academic performance of all students?

For background information, my comments are based on my empirical observations as a resident of FCPS and parent of children in FCPS.

DP - you are a paranoid wacko.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A few additional fun facts about the for-profit SEL and Panorama:

1. Panorama is co-founded by Attorney General Merrick Garland’s son-in-law, Xan Tanner.
2. Garland targeted parents and labeled them as domestic terrorists for speaking up at school board meetings and had the FBI investigating them. One of the things parents spoke against was the SEL program at schools.
3. The questions in the screener are extremely INTRUSIVE in that they question students about personal things, such as sexual orientation. Adults shouldn’t be asking these kind of questions to minors because it normalizes strangers crossing children’s boundaries. That is a safety concern and it should be illegal to do so.
4. In spite of opting out from the SEL screener, FCPS still instructs ALL students on SEL practices and spends an excessive amount of resources, such as time and money, to train teachers on this for-profit program. Many parents complained in this blog that they couldn’t understand the SEL reports on their children. Neither could the teachers.
5. Last year, parents complained that in spite of submitting the Opt-out form for SEL, the SIS system still would show the kids as participating.
6. Even if you Opt your child out, Panorama still has access to your child’s student information with FCPS.

To get a better idea about the conflict of interest SEL represents in FCPS, this is a good read:

https://nypost.com/2021/10/13/critical-race-theory-firm-linked-to-ag-garlands-kin-serves-schoolscompany-co-founded-by-ag-garlands-son-in-law-serves-over-20k-schools/

The absolute LIES you are believing is incredible!

For the 100th time, the SEL screener asks ZERO questions about anyone’s sexual orientation. NONE.

I have no idea what this “SEL program” is that teachers are trained on. It literally doesn’t exist. There are various curriculums that school counselors use in their monthly lessons, but that’s been happening since the dawn of time.

I am really concerned about your paranoia and inability to think critically. You’ve taken some article from a NY paper and somehow extrapolated it to apply to FCPS. But then again, you probably don’t even have kids or even live in Fairfax County.

Now that you have shared how you feel about my posting, care to share some factual information about your position? For example, what lies are you referring to, particularly in the news article? Why do you think they are lies?

Furthermore, if you think SEL is beneficial to the schools of FCPS, care to explain why the staff shortage a few days prior to the beginning of the school year? Can you also elaborate particularly in the correlation between SEL already bearing fruit by helping students and staff overcome social and emotional challenges and the state of our schools in FCPS nowadays? Lastly, how has this program (SEL) improved the mental health and social relationships among students and staff so far? Most importantly, how it has increased the academic performance of all students?

For background information, my comments are based on my empirical observations as a resident of FCPS and parent of children in FCPS.

DP - you are a paranoid wacko.

A different DP here. To PP calling another a "paranoid wacko"--why don't you give reasons instead of calling names. I thought PP might great points. I'd like to know how you justify this "survey." It really makes no sense to spend money on something this useless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A few additional fun facts about the for-profit SEL and Panorama:

1. Panorama is co-founded by Attorney General Merrick Garland’s son-in-law, Xan Tanner.
2. Garland targeted parents and labeled them as domestic terrorists for speaking up at school board meetings and had the FBI investigating them. One of the things parents spoke against was the SEL program at schools.
3. The questions in the screener are extremely INTRUSIVE in that they question students about personal things, such as sexual orientation. Adults shouldn’t be asking these kind of questions to minors because it normalizes strangers crossing children’s boundaries. That is a safety concern and it should be illegal to do so.
4. In spite of opting out from the SEL screener, FCPS still instructs ALL students on SEL practices and spends an excessive amount of resources, such as time and money, to train teachers on this for-profit program. Many parents complained in this blog that they couldn’t understand the SEL reports on their children. Neither could the teachers.
5. Last year, parents complained that in spite of submitting the Opt-out form for SEL, the SIS system still would show the kids as participating.
6. Even if you Opt your child out, Panorama still has access to your child’s student information with FCPS.

To get a better idea about the conflict of interest SEL represents in FCPS, this is a good read:

https://nypost.com/2021/10/13/critical-race-theory-firm-linked-to-ag-garlands-kin-serves-schoolscompany-co-founded-by-ag-garlands-son-in-law-serves-over-20k-schools/

The absolute LIES you are believing is incredible!

For the 100th time, the SEL screener asks ZERO questions about anyone’s sexual orientation. NONE.

I have no idea what this “SEL program” is that teachers are trained on. It literally doesn’t exist. There are various curriculums that school counselors use in their monthly lessons, but that’s been happening since the dawn of time.

I am really concerned about your paranoia and inability to think critically. You’ve taken some article from a NY paper and somehow extrapolated it to apply to FCPS. But then again, you probably don’t even have kids or even live in Fairfax County.

Now that you have shared how you feel about my posting, care to share some factual information about your position? For example, what lies are you referring to, particularly in the news article? Why do you think they are lies?

Furthermore, if you think SEL is beneficial to the schools of FCPS, care to explain why the staff shortage a few days prior to the beginning of the school year? Can you also elaborate particularly in the correlation between SEL already bearing fruit by helping students and staff overcome social and emotional challenges and the state of our schools in FCPS nowadays? Lastly, how has this program (SEL) improved the mental health and social relationships among students and staff so far? Most importantly, how it has increased the academic performance of all students?

For background information, my comments are based on my empirical observations as a resident of FCPS and parent of children in FCPS.

DP - you are a paranoid wacko.

It must suck not being able to rebut beyond resorting to ad hominem attacks.

[Anonymous]

What are these new state level model policies? Can someone link to them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A few additional fun facts about the for-profit SEL and Panorama:

1. Panorama is co-founded by Attorney General Merrick Garland’s son-in-law, Xan Tanner.
2. Garland targeted parents and labeled them as domestic terrorists for speaking up at school board meetings and had the FBI investigating them. One of the things parents spoke against was the SEL program at schools.
3. The questions in the screener are extremely INTRUSIVE in that they question students about personal things, such as sexual orientation. Adults shouldn’t be asking these kind of questions to minors because it normalizes strangers crossing children’s boundaries. That is a safety concern and it should be illegal to do so.
4. In spite of opting out from the SEL screener, FCPS still instructs ALL students on SEL practices and spends an excessive amount of resources, such as time and money, to train teachers on this for-profit program. Many parents complained in this blog that they couldn’t understand the SEL reports on their children. Neither could the teachers.
5. Last year, parents complained that in spite of submitting the Opt-out form for SEL, the SIS system still would show the kids as participating.
6. Even if you Opt your child out, Panorama still has access to your child’s student information with FCPS.

To get a better idea about the conflict of interest SEL represents in FCPS, this is a good read:

https://nypost.com/2021/10/13/critical-race-theory-firm-linked-to-ag-garlands-kin-serves-schoolscompany-co-founded-by-ag-garlands-son-in-law-serves-over-20k-schools/

The absolute LIES you are believing is incredible!

For the 100th time, the SEL screener asks ZERO questions about anyone’s sexual orientation. NONE.

I have no idea what this “SEL program” is that teachers are trained on. It literally doesn’t exist. There are various curriculums that school counselors use in their monthly lessons, but that’s been happening since the dawn of time.

I am really concerned about your paranoia and inability to think critically. You’ve taken some article from a NY paper and somehow extrapolated it to apply to FCPS. But then again, you probably don’t even have kids or even live in Fairfax County.

Now that you have shared how you feel about my posting, care to share some factual information about your position? For example, what lies are you referring to, particularly in the news article? Why do you think they are lies?

Furthermore, if you think SEL is beneficial to the schools of FCPS, care to explain why the staff shortage a few days prior to the beginning of the school year? Can you also elaborate particularly in the correlation between SEL already bearing fruit by helping students and staff overcome social and emotional challenges and the state of our schools in FCPS nowadays? Lastly, how has this program (SEL) improved the mental health and social relationships among students and staff so far? Most importantly, how it has increased the academic performance of all students?

For background information, my comments are based on my empirical observations as a resident of FCPS and parent of children in FCPS.

DP - you are a paranoid wacko.

It must suck not being able to rebut beyond resorting to ad hominem attacks.

Another DP:

childish insults are the hallmarks of a weak or nonexistent argument.

[Anonymous]

Our kids names and their linked answers should not be sold to a corporation period. I’m not worried about the actual questions. They could very easily anonymize this but they are choosing not to which from a privacy perspective is horrifying.
Stop - all sides - being sidetracked on fighting about the actual questions. Instead first fight to demand the data anonymized.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP--I posted that it is wasteful. I have not addressed any sexual questions, but I do think whoever designed it does not know students well. It almost implies that every student should be focused on race in some of the questions. Kind of leading questions.

But, I agree with PP who asked for specific answers about how the survey has been proven to help kids. I was a teacher and I just don't think the survey is well designed. I took a class on developiing surveys post graduate, and it is extremely difficult to do it well. I don't know that i could develop a good survey but I know a poor one when I see it. These are poorly done.

I'd love to know how much FCPS paid for the surveys and how much they are paying to "interpret" them.

Again, FCPS needs to turn to academics. We all want strong mental health for all of our kids, but I do not see how these surveys are helpful--in fact, it might lead a kid to think "what is wrong with me?"

Observant teachers, aides, and counselors are the ones that should be addressing these issues. Not surveys.

Very well stated!

Thanks, teacher.

+1 this is part of the reason we opted out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A few additional fun facts about the for-profit SEL and Panorama:

1. Panorama is co-founded by Attorney General Merrick Garland’s son-in-law, Xan Tanner.
2. Garland targeted parents and labeled them as domestic terrorists for speaking up at school board meetings and had the FBI investigating them. One of the things parents spoke against was the SEL program at schools.
3. The questions in the screener are extremely INTRUSIVE in that they question students about personal things, such as sexual orientation. Adults shouldn’t be asking these kind of questions to minors because it normalizes strangers crossing children’s boundaries. That is a safety concern and it should be illegal to do so.
4. In spite of opting out from the SEL screener, FCPS still instructs ALL students on SEL practices and spends an excessive amount of resources, such as time and money, to train teachers on this for-profit program. Many parents complained in this blog that they couldn’t understand the SEL reports on their children. Neither could the teachers.
5. Last year, parents complained that in spite of submitting the Opt-out form for SEL, the SIS system still would show the kids as participating.
6. Even if you Opt your child out, Panorama still has access to your child’s student information with FCPS.

To get a better idea about the conflict of interest SEL represents in FCPS, this is a good read:

https://nypost.com/2021/10/13/critical-race-theory-firm-linked-to-ag-garlands-kin-serves-schoolscompany-co-founded-by-ag-garlands-son-in-law-serves-over-20k-schools/

The absolute LIES you are believing is incredible!

For the 100th time, the SEL screener asks ZERO questions about anyone’s sexual orientation. NONE.

I have no idea what this “SEL program” is that teachers are trained on. It literally doesn’t exist. There are various curriculums that school counselors use in their monthly lessons, but that’s been happening since the dawn of time.

I am really concerned about your paranoia and inability to think critically. You’ve taken some article from a NY paper and somehow extrapolated it to apply to FCPS. But then again, you probably don’t even have kids or even live in Fairfax County.

Now that you have shared how you feel about my posting, care to share some factual information about your position? For example, what lies are you referring to, particularly in the news article? Why do you think they are lies?

Furthermore, if you think SEL is beneficial to the schools of FCPS, care to explain why the staff shortage a few days prior to the beginning of the school year? Can you also elaborate particularly in the correlation between SEL already bearing fruit by helping students and staff overcome social and emotional challenges and the state of our schools in FCPS nowadays? Lastly, how has this program (SEL) improved the mental health and social relationships among students and staff so far? Most importantly, how it has increased the academic performance of all students?

For background information, my comments are based on my empirical observations as a resident of FCPS and parent of children in FCPS.

DP - you are a paranoid wacko.

It must suck not being able to rebut beyond resorting to ad hominem attacks.

Another DP:

childish insults are the hallmarks of a weak or nonexistent argument.

Hoo boy - I must have hit a real nerve for the wackos to come out in force.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do the people who design these surveys know any kids?

This is useless, misleading, and a waste of money.

+1

The surveys and observations/interviews at the pediatrician are much more useful for my kids. We opt out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP- I don’t care that they aren’t following the state models.

I am posting this so you know that I, a fellow FCPS parent, don’t care.

I disagree with trying to call FCPS out on this and expect outrage.

If you don’t like the screener, opt out. If you can get on DCUM, you can opt them out. Do it and leave the fake outrage behind.

You don't care that your kid's responses are linked to him and that this info is being used by a company with the sole purpose of making money funded by VC. Or that your kid's time is being wasted answering stupid questions? Even though I opted my kids out of the SEL, they still told me about surveys they had to take all year long during study hall. My kids have told me the surveys are viewed as a joke, at least at the middle and high school level. Where is the contract for all those surveys? How much do those cost? Also, our school is spending tons of money on training teachers in SBG and more to other consultants to align tests and grading. Lowering class size and increasing teacher pay are 2 things that would actually have an impact on learning. Every initiative, the strategic plan, equity/equal outcomes for all, ect...all result in a contract for outside consultants. Here is one for 455k for the strategic plan: https://defendinged.org/incidents/fairfax-county-public-school-superintendent-awards-sole-source-contract-for-465000-with-company-she-worked-with-previously-to-achieve-equal-outcomes-without-exception/

I doubt only 455k was spent on the strategic plan. Is there a point, an amount of money spent on all of this nonsense, that would bother you?

You can opt out of data sharing with other companies. I don’t care. I opted my kid out. I don’t care if they waste a little bit of money. I just don’t. Do you think Verizon honestly uses every penny wisely that I give to them. They don’t. Why have a different standard for a large school system vs large corporation? Cause taxes? Please. Capitalism doesn’t always work and waste just happens when things get big. This is one thing I’m not wasting my time on. I don’t care.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP- I don’t care that they aren’t following the state models.

I am posting this so you know that I, a fellow FCPS parent, don’t care.

I disagree with trying to call FCPS out on this and expect outrage.

If you don’t like the screener, opt out. If you can get on DCUM, you can opt them out. Do it and leave the fake outrage behind.

You don't care that your kid's responses are linked to him and that this info is being used by a company with the sole purpose of making money funded by VC. Or that your kid's time is being wasted answering stupid questions? Even though I opted my kids out of the SEL, they still told me about surveys they had to take all year long during study hall. My kids have told me the surveys are viewed as a joke, at least at the middle and high school level. Where is the contract for all those surveys? How much do those cost? Also, our school is spending tons of money on training teachers in SBG and more to other consultants to align tests and grading. Lowering class size and increasing teacher pay are 2 things that would actually have an impact on learning. Every initiative, the strategic plan, equity/equal outcomes for all, ect...all result in a contract for outside consultants. Here is one for 455k for the strategic plan: https://defendinged.org/incidents/fairfax-county-public-school-superintendent-awards-sole-source-contract-for-465000-with-company-she-worked-with-previously-to-achieve-equal-outcomes-without-exception/

I doubt only 455k was spent on the strategic plan. Is there a point, an amount of money spent on all of this nonsense, that would bother you?

You can opt out of data sharing with other companies. I don’t care. I opted my kid out. I don’t care if they waste a little bit of money. I just don’t. Do you think Verizon honestly uses every penny wisely that I give to them. They don’t. Why have a different standard for a large school system vs large corporation? Cause taxes? Please. Capitalism doesn’t always work and waste just happens when things get big. This is one thing I’m not wasting my time on. I don’t care.

Same. I have actual life issues to deal with. Must be nice to have the time and effort to waste on this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP- I don’t care that they aren’t following the state models.

I am posting this so you know that I, a fellow FCPS parent, don’t care.

I disagree with trying to call FCPS out on this and expect outrage.

If you don’t like the screener, opt out. If you can get on DCUM, you can opt them out. Do it and leave the fake outrage behind.

You don't care that your kid's responses are linked to him and that this info is being used by a company with the sole purpose of making money funded by VC. Or that your kid's time is being wasted answering stupid questions? Even though I opted my kids out of the SEL, they still told me about surveys they had to take all year long during study hall. My kids have told me the surveys are viewed as a joke, at least at the middle and high school level. Where is the contract for all those surveys? How much do those cost? Also, our school is spending tons of money on training teachers in SBG and more to other consultants to align tests and grading. Lowering class size and increasing teacher pay are 2 things that would actually have an impact on learning. Every initiative, the strategic plan, equity/equal outcomes for all, ect...all result in a contract for outside consultants. Here is one for 455k for the strategic plan: https://defendinged.org/incidents/fairfax-county-public-school-superintendent-awards-sole-source-contract-for-465000-with-company-she-worked-with-previously-to-achieve-equal-outcomes-without-exception/

I doubt only 455k was spent on the strategic plan. Is there a point, an amount of money spent on all of this nonsense, that would bother you?

I find this baffling. How do parents not care? They’re asleep at the wheel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP- I don’t care that they aren’t following the state models.

I am posting this so you know that I, a fellow FCPS parent, don’t care.

I disagree with trying to call FCPS out on this and expect outrage.

If you don’t like the screener, opt out. If you can get on DCUM, you can opt them out. Do it and leave the fake outrage behind.

You don't care that your kid's responses are linked to him and that this info is being used by a company with the sole purpose of making money funded by VC. Or that your kid's time is being wasted answering stupid questions? Even though I opted my kids out of the SEL, they still told me about surveys they had to take all year long during study hall. My kids have told me the surveys are viewed as a joke, at least at the middle and high school level. Where is the contract for all those surveys? How much do those cost? Also, our school is spending tons of money on training teachers in SBG and more to other consultants to align tests and grading. Lowering class size and increasing teacher pay are 2 things that would actually have an impact on learning. Every initiative, the strategic plan, equity/equal outcomes for all, ect...all result in a contract for outside consultants. Here is one for 455k for the strategic plan: https://defendinged.org/incidents/fairfax-county-public-school-superintendent-awards-sole-source-contract-for-465000-with-company-she-worked-with-previously-to-achieve-equal-outcomes-without-exception/

I doubt only 455k was spent on the strategic plan. Is there a point, an amount of money spent on all of this nonsense, that would bother you?

You can opt out of data sharing with other companies. I don’t care. I opted my kid out. I don’t care if they waste a little bit of money. I just don’t. Do you think Verizon honestly uses every penny wisely that I give to them. They don’t. Why have a different standard for a large school system vs large corporation? Cause taxes? Please. Capitalism doesn’t always work and waste just happens when things get big. This is one thing I’m not wasting my time on. I don’t care.

A public school system is funded by my tax dollars, the single person living in an apartment's tax dollars, the high schooler working at McDonald's tax dollars, the empty nesters' tax dollars....

Schools are publicly funded 100% by tax dollars. They are not even remotely close to a private or public for profit company like Verizon, that you can choose whether or not to puchase from.

How one could ever make this comparison between a cell phone company and a public school systems waste of taxpayer dollars is beyond logic.

[Anonymous]

Are there guidelines for who is allowed to use the restrooms? In other words, are there guidelines to determine who is trans and who is not? What about non-binary? Which restrooms do they use?

Inquiring minds would like to know if middle school boys can just decide one day to use the girls' bathrooms?

Are there specific rules/policies on this?

I have not seen them.