Why is Cornell called "lower Ivy"

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Anonymous wrote:This is nothing new.

There are the top Ivies - a/k/a HYP.

There are the striver Ivies - Columbia and Penn.

And there are the lower Ivies - Brown, Cornell, and Dartmouth.

The lower Ivies are still great schools with very competitive admissions. But if HYP only have a few peers like Stanford and MIT, there are a larger number of schools, including other private universities, top state schools, and top SLACs, generally considered on par with Brown, Cornell, and Dartmouth.

That’s just the way it is, and has been for years, and no DCUM thread is going to change things.

Things do change, however I don't think it's in the lower ivys favor. I think non ivys have gotten better at a faster rate than the ivys thus schools like Emory, NYU, WashU, Notre Dame etc are now on par with the lower ivys, which I don't think you could say that 20, even 10 years ago.

You picked the wrong set of schools there, when you should have been referring instead to schools like Duke, Northwestern, Chicago, JHU, UCLA, Cal, Michigan, Williams, and Amherst instead. Certainly not Emory, NYU or WUSL.

Now I’m just embarrassed for you.

Michigan has a 20% acceptance rate. Emory and NYu have the same acceptance rate as Williams and Amherst respectively. Duke Northwestern, JHU, and Chicago have always been better than Cornell, Dartmouth, and Brown so that wouldn't have made relevant sense to my argument. Like it or not Emory, NYU, WashU, etc are lower Ivy level.

Acceptance rate is a useless stat

Especially when the school has over 30,000 undergraduates.

Doesn't this make pp's point. UMICH accepts everyone. For any DC private student only getting into Michigan would be a big let down, not true for the other mentioned in thus far.

Oh, I’m sorry I thought you were sincere in your remarks. Now I know your just a typical DCUM troll.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is nothing new.

There are the top Ivies - a/k/a HYP.

There are the striver Ivies - Columbia and Penn.

And there are the lower Ivies - Brown, Cornell, and Dartmouth.

The lower Ivies are still great schools with very competitive admissions. But if HYP only have a few peers like Stanford and MIT, there are a larger number of schools, including other private universities, top state schools, and top SLACs, generally considered on par with Brown, Cornell, and Dartmouth.

That’s just the way it is, and has been for years, and no DCUM thread is going to change things.

Things do change, however I don't think it's in the lower ivys favor. I think non ivys have gotten better at a faster rate than the ivys thus schools like Emory, NYU, WashU, Notre Dame etc are now on par with the lower ivys, which I don't think you could say that 20, even 10 years ago.

You picked the wrong set of schools there, when you should have been referring instead to schools like Duke, Northwestern, Chicago, JHU, UCLA, Cal, Michigan, Williams, and Amherst instead. Certainly not Emory, NYU or WUSL.

Now I’m just embarrassed for you.

Michigan has a 20% acceptance rate. Emory and NYu have the same acceptance rate as Williams and Amherst respectively. Duke Northwestern, JHU, and Chicago have always been better than Cornell, Dartmouth, and Brown so that wouldn't have made relevant sense to my argument. Like it or not Emory, NYU, WashU, etc are lower Ivy level.

Acceptance rate is a useless stat

Especially when the school has over 30,000 undergraduates.

Doesn't this make pp's point. UMICH accepts everyone. For any DC private student only getting into Michigan would be a big let down, not true for the other mentioned in thus far.

I agree they'd be let down ONLY getting into Michigan but plenty of them choose Michigan after getting into multiple good schools!
Michigan doesn't accept all DC private kids, even at the Big 3. They do (understandably) like getting full-pay students from out of state though

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Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't it be great if some top private schools would try to educate close to the number of students top public places like Michigan and Cal do though? Yes, their acceptance rates would be higher but society as a whole would benefit and they can certainly afford to do it.

The bottom 10% at T25 privates are better than corresponding at Umich, Berkeley, and UCLA. And that's the problem with publics, they're forced to dip too low.

Except the bottom 10% at top publics might excel in other endeavors in which they are world class like athletics, fine arts, and performance. The bottom 10% includes 3,000 students as compared to to 600. With all the legacies at so called T25 private schools, I’m not so sure you can even make that claim about academic superiority.

What makes you think publics don't have legacy students?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is nothing new.

There are the top Ivies - a/k/a HYP.

There are the striver Ivies - Columbia and Penn.

And there are the lower Ivies - Brown, Cornell, and Dartmouth.

The lower Ivies are still great schools with very competitive admissions. But if HYP only have a few peers like Stanford and MIT, there are a larger number of schools, including other private universities, top state schools, and top SLACs, generally considered on par with Brown, Cornell, and Dartmouth.

That’s just the way it is, and has been for years, and no DCUM thread is going to change things.

Things do change, however I don't think it's in the lower ivys favor. I think non ivys have gotten better at a faster rate than the ivys thus schools like Emory, NYU, WashU, Notre Dame etc are now on par with the lower ivys, which I don't think you could say that 20, even 10 years ago.

You picked the wrong set of schools there, when you should have been referring instead to schools like Duke, Northwestern, Chicago, JHU, UCLA, Cal, Michigan, Williams, and Amherst instead. Certainly not Emory, NYU or WUSL.

Now I’m just embarrassed for you.

Michigan has a 20% acceptance rate. Emory and NYu have the same acceptance rate as Williams and Amherst respectively. Duke Northwestern, JHU, and Chicago have always been better than Cornell, Dartmouth, and Brown so that wouldn't have made relevant sense to my argument. Like it or not Emory, NYU, WashU, etc are lower Ivy level.

Acceptance rate is a useless stat

Especially when the school has over 30,000 undergraduates.

Doesn't this make pp's point. UMICH accepts everyone. For any DC private student only getting into Michigan would be a big let down, not true for the other mentioned in thus far.

I agree they'd be let down ONLY getting into Michigan but plenty of them choose Michigan after getting into multiple good schools!
Michigan doesn't accept all DC private kids, even at the Big 3. They do (understandably) like getting full-pay students from out of state though

Other good schools like what, BU? Cornell is much easier to get into than the other ivys, hust like Michigan is MUCH easier to get into than the other T25s.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't the Ivy League really Harvard and Yale and everyone else? If we're talking just general prestige anyway. Some people have heard of Princeton. Many of them rate its law school as being great

Cornell has a #7 ranked computer science dept and Yale is #20.

Where does that rank even come from? Something semi-useless like USNWR's undergrad department rankings?
Yes, everyone knows Yale was late to the CS game but it is now pouring $$ into it and Yale has plenty to invest and improve quickly. I'd go to Yale over Cornell for CS in a heartbeat with the recent investment and overall name recognition.

Sounds like you went to clown school.

Please don't use USNWR departmental rankings or have your kids use them! At the very least look at their grad school rankings to better understand relative strength. Their departmental rankings are simply a survey of academics at peer institutions.

The grad school rankings were listed here as measure of the department.

Pick the school not the department! Majors and interests change

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't it be great if some top private schools would try to educate close to the number of students top public places like Michigan and Cal do though? Yes, their acceptance rates would be higher but society as a whole would benefit and they can certainly afford to do it.

The bottom 10% at T25 privates are better than corresponding at Umich, Berkeley, and UCLA. And that's the problem with publics, they're forced to dip too low.

Except the bottom 10% at top publics might excel in other endeavors in which they are world class like athletics, fine arts, and performance. The bottom 10% includes 3,000 students as compared to to 600. With all the legacies at so called T25 private schools, I’m not so sure you can even make that claim about academic superiority.

What makes you think publics don't have legacy students?

https://www.bestcolleges.com/blog/legacy-student/#:~:text=Private%20colleges%20are%20more%20likely%20to%20use%20legacy,directors%20at%20public%20schools%20report%20doing%20the%20same.

“Private colleges are more likely to use legacy status than public schools. According to a 2018 Inside Higher Ed survey, 42% of admissions directors at private schools say their institutions consider legacy status, while only 6% of directors at public schools report doing the same.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn't the Ivy League really Harvard and Yale and everyone else? If we're talking just general prestige anyway. Some people have heard of Princeton. Many of them rate its law school as being great

Cornell has a #7 ranked computer science dept and Yale is #20.

Where does that rank even come from? Something semi-useless like USNWR's undergrad department rankings?
Yes, everyone knows Yale was late to the CS game but it is now pouring $$ into it and Yale has plenty to invest and improve quickly. I'd go to Yale over Cornell for CS in a heartbeat with the recent investment and overall name recognition.

Sounds like you went to clown school.

Please don't use USNWR departmental rankings or have your kids use them! At the very least look at their grad school rankings to better understand relative strength. Their departmental rankings are simply a survey of academics at peer institutions.

The grad school rankings were listed here as measure of the department.

Pick the school not the department! Majors and interests change

It’s wise to consider both. Not every so called elite school has academic strengths across the board.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn't the Ivy League really Harvard and Yale and everyone else? If we're talking just general prestige anyway. Some people have heard of Princeton. Many of them rate its law school as being great

Cornell has a #7 ranked computer science dept and Yale is #20.

Where does that rank even come from? Something semi-useless like USNWR's undergrad department rankings?
Yes, everyone knows Yale was late to the CS game but it is now pouring $$ into it and Yale has plenty to invest and improve quickly. I'd go to Yale over Cornell for CS in a heartbeat with the recent investment and overall name recognition.

Sounds like you went to clown school.

Please don't use USNWR departmental rankings or have your kids use them! At the very least look at their grad school rankings to better understand relative strength. Their departmental rankings are simply a survey of academics at peer institutions.

The grad school rankings were listed here as measure of the department.

Pick the school not the department! Majors and interests change

Disagree when it is something as important and popular as computer science.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn't the Ivy League really Harvard and Yale and everyone else? If we're talking just general prestige anyway. Some people have heard of Princeton. Many of them rate its law school as being great

Cornell has a #7 ranked computer science dept and Yale is #20.

Where does that rank even come from? Something semi-useless like USNWR's undergrad department rankings?
Yes, everyone knows Yale was late to the CS game but it is now pouring $$ into it and Yale has plenty to invest and improve quickly. I'd go to Yale over Cornell for CS in a heartbeat with the recent investment and overall name recognition.

Sounds like you went to clown school.

Please don't use USNWR departmental rankings or have your kids use them! At the very least look at their grad school rankings to better understand relative strength. Their departmental rankings are simply a survey of academics at peer institutions.

The grad school rankings were listed here as measure of the department.

Pick the school not the department! Majors and interests change

Disagree when it is something as important and popular as computer science.

No pp is right. Unless, your DC wants to go into research/ PhD then the school is most important.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn't the Ivy League really Harvard and Yale and everyone else? If we're talking just general prestige anyway. Some people have heard of Princeton. Many of them rate its law school as being great

Cornell has a #7 ranked computer science dept and Yale is #20.

Where does that rank even come from? Something semi-useless like USNWR's undergrad department rankings?
Yes, everyone knows Yale was late to the CS game but it is now pouring $$ into it and Yale has plenty to invest and improve quickly. I'd go to Yale over Cornell for CS in a heartbeat with the recent investment and overall name recognition.

Sounds like you went to clown school.

Please don't use USNWR departmental rankings or have your kids use them! At the very least look at their grad school rankings to better understand relative strength. Their departmental rankings are simply a survey of academics at peer institutions.

The grad school rankings were listed here as measure of the department.

Pick the school not the department! Majors and interests change

Disagree when it is something as important and popular as computer science.

No pp is right. Unless, your DC wants to go into research/ PhD then the school is most important.

You are dead wrong. I know many employers who only hire CS grads from top departments.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn't the Ivy League really Harvard and Yale and everyone else? If we're talking just general prestige anyway. Some people have heard of Princeton. Many of them rate its law school as being great

Cornell has a #7 ranked computer science dept and Yale is #20.

Where does that rank even come from? Something semi-useless like USNWR's undergrad department rankings?
Yes, everyone knows Yale was late to the CS game but it is now pouring $$ into it and Yale has plenty to invest and improve quickly. I'd go to Yale over Cornell for CS in a heartbeat with the recent investment and overall name recognition.

Sounds like you went to clown school.

Please don't use USNWR departmental rankings or have your kids use them! At the very least look at their grad school rankings to better understand relative strength. Their departmental rankings are simply a survey of academics at peer institutions.

The grad school rankings were listed here as measure of the department.

Pick the school not the department! Majors and interests change

Disagree when it is something as important and popular as computer science.

No pp is right. Unless, your DC wants to go into research/ PhD then the school is most important.

Oh sure. It’s better to go to Yale than Carnegie Mellon for CS because you really need a PhD to excel if you attend the latter. Please….

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not, except by the biddies and harpies on DCUM whose kids didn’t get in.

I know someone who went there and she's kinda dumb. Maybe it's because of her.

This made me laugh. Thanks!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn't the Ivy League really Harvard and Yale and everyone else? If we're talking just general prestige anyway. Some people have heard of Princeton. Many of them rate its law school as being great

Cornell has a #7 ranked computer science dept and Yale is #20.

Where does that rank even come from? Something semi-useless like USNWR's undergrad department rankings?
Yes, everyone knows Yale was late to the CS game but it is now pouring $$ into it and Yale has plenty to invest and improve quickly. I'd go to Yale over Cornell for CS in a heartbeat with the recent investment and overall name recognition.

Sounds like you went to clown school.

Please don't use USNWR departmental rankings or have your kids use them! At the very least look at their grad school rankings to better understand relative strength. Their departmental rankings are simply a survey of academics at peer institutions.

The grad school rankings were listed here as measure of the department.

Pick the school not the department! Majors and interests change

Disagree when it is something as important and popular as computer science.

No pp is right. Unless, your DC wants to go into research/ PhD then the school is most important.

Oh sure. It’s better to go to Yale than Carnegie Mellon for CS because you really need a PhD to excel if you attend the latter. Please….

Yes it will always be better to go to Yale CS, espionage if you want quant finance. If you want big tech than CNU is probably better but Big tech isn't that prestigious or hard to get into, a lot of public school kids there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn't the Ivy League really Harvard and Yale and everyone else? If we're talking just general prestige anyway. Some people have heard of Princeton. Many of them rate its law school as being great

Cornell has a #7 ranked computer science dept and Yale is #20.

Where does that rank even come from? Something semi-useless like USNWR's undergrad department rankings?
Yes, everyone knows Yale was late to the CS game but it is now pouring $$ into it and Yale has plenty to invest and improve quickly. I'd go to Yale over Cornell for CS in a heartbeat with the recent investment and overall name recognition.

Sounds like you went to clown school.

Please don't use USNWR departmental rankings or have your kids use them! At the very least look at their grad school rankings to better understand relative strength. Their departmental rankings are simply a survey of academics at peer institutions.

The grad school rankings were listed here as measure of the department.

Pick the school not the department! Majors and interests change

Disagree when it is something as important and popular as computer science.

No pp is right. Unless, your DC wants to go into research/ PhD then the school is most important.

You are dead wrong. I know many employers who only hire CS grads from top departments.

Who are those employers? Name them otherwise it's BS. Going back to Emory vs Gatech. Emory CS grads make more despite Emorys CS department being lower ranked, that's because Empry is the better school with better relationships with employers. There's also some employers that won't hire from non T25 schools.

You ever leave your basement?

Occasionally, I do WFH. I'm still curious about thr employers you're talking about?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is nothing new.

There are the top Ivies - a/k/a HYP.

There are the striver Ivies - Columbia and Penn.

And there are the lower Ivies - Brown, Cornell, and Dartmouth.

The lower Ivies are still great schools with very competitive admissions. But if HYP only have a few peers like Stanford and MIT, there are a larger number of schools, including other private universities, top state schools, and top SLACs, generally considered on par with Brown, Cornell, and Dartmouth.

That’s just the way it is, and has been for years, and no DCUM thread is going to change things.

Things do change, however I don't think it's in the lower ivys favor. I think non ivys have gotten better at a faster rate than the ivys thus schools like Emory, NYU, WashU, Notre Dame etc are now on par with the lower ivys, which I don't think you could say that 20, even 10 years ago.

You picked the wrong set of schools there, when you should have been referring instead to schools like Duke, Northwestern, Chicago, JHU, UCLA, Cal, Michigan, Williams, and Amherst instead. Certainly not Emory, NYU or WUSL.

Now I’m just embarrassed for you.

Michigan has a 20% acceptance rate. Emory and NYu have the same acceptance rate as Williams and Amherst respectively. Duke Northwestern, JHU, and Chicago have always been better than Cornell, Dartmouth, and Brown so that wouldn't have made relevant sense to my argument. Like it or not Emory, NYU, WashU, etc are lower Ivy level.

Acceptance rate is a useless stat

Especially when the school has over 30,000 undergraduates.

Doesn't this make pp's point. UMICH accepts everyone. For any DC private student only getting into Michigan would be a big let down, not true for the other mentioned in thus far.

I agree they'd be let down ONLY getting into Michigan but plenty of them choose Michigan after getting into multiple good schools!
Michigan doesn't accept all DC private kids, even at the Big 3. They do (understandably) like getting full-pay students from out of state though

Other good schools like what, BU? Cornell is much easier to get into than the other ivys, hust like Michigan is MUCH easier to get into than the other T25s.

The PP didn’t make the idiotic comment that, “UMICH accepts everyone.”