Why is Cornell called "lower Ivy"

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Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't it be great if some top private schools would try to educate close to the number of students top public places like Michigan and Cal do though? Yes, their acceptance rates would be higher but society as a whole would benefit and they can certainly afford to do it.

No, because top private schools aren't top because of the education. They are top because they provided exclusively access to opportunities to get rich.

People are talking about CS departments. There is 0 need to go to university to learn CS. It's all available better for free on the Internet. The only reason to go is to network with social/wealth elites.

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As some have noted, Cornell admits directly into 1 of its 7 undergrad colleges. The undergrad admission rates vary dramatically from about 2% (i.e. Dyson business) to about 20% (i.e. Hotel Administration and Agriculture). Arts & Sciences (largest college) is about 5-7% admit rate. Talking about admission rates without specifying the college is like saying the average temperature in DC is 58 degrees -- but it could be as high as 95 (like today) or as low as 22 (as in mid-January).

This is a very good point but not sure posters here will understand it

[Anonymous]

Someone posted another thread, but Cornell has placement per capita for med school that doesn't keep pace with the other ivys, but instead Vandy, Emory, WashU, etc. This reiterates the point that these schools have caught up with Cornell.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1149442.page

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Because they let white and black people in.

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Anonymous wrote:Public schools are always easier to get into because admissions there are less holistic and more numbers based. So a 20% acceptance rate for a public school is like 25-30% for a private school. So Umich is more similar to Wake Forest or William and Mary admissions wise. [/quote ]

When either of those schools receives almost 90,000 applications, then we can compare acceptance rates. UCLA received almost 150,00 applications last cycle and has under a 12% admit rate. Doesn’t sound like an easier admit that most privates. By the way, William and Mary is not a private school.

UCLA can't be holistic with 150,000 applicants.

And it cannot look at standardized test scores or race.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Its funny how these things change over time. I can remember in the 1980s when Penn was the "bottom Ivy" and everyone I knew would rank Cornell higher than Brown and equal or better than Dartmouth. Cornell was ranked #8 in the first US News ranking in 1983.

I wonder if Andy on the Office was the start of people bashing Cornell. Cornell being large, being in a cold rural area, having some state funding, and having a lower overall admission rate than the other Ivies contributes to this bottom Ivy label. However, its too big and diverse (with 7 colleges) a school to put a one label on. The Cornell programs I know - Arts & Sciences, Engineering, and Architecture - are top notch.

I was an undergrad at Cornell around the time when the Andy Bernard character was introduced to The Office. tbh I've heard the "lesser Ivy" remarks long before he came on the scene, but I think the rest of the post is accurate. The fact that Cornell has NY state-funded colleges (one of which I attended) within the university, having an English motto rather than Latin, overall large size, location within Upstate NY rather than New England, things like that probably all contribute to that reputation. We all found Andy Bernard pretty funny... like hey, someone's giving us a shoutout! Especially his acapella group "Here Comes Treble." Acapella is huge at Cornell

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Someone posted another thread, but Cornell has placement per capita for med school that doesn't keep pace with the other ivys, but instead Vandy, Emory, WashU, etc. This reiterates the point that these schools have caught up with Cornell.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1149442.page

This! But DCUM will always ignore facts for feelings.

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Anonymous wrote:No kids in college yet but curious...

Why is Cornell called a "lower Ivy"?

People say this but it depends on what you want to study to be honest. For some majors Cornell is one of the top Ivies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Someone posted another thread, but Cornell has placement per capita for med school that doesn't keep pace with the other ivys, but instead Vandy, Emory, WashU, etc. This reiterates the point that these schools have caught up with Cornell.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1149442.page

Yes, it's lower ivy because it has lower ivy results.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't it be great if some top private schools would try to educate close to the number of students top public places like Michigan and Cal do though? Yes, their acceptance rates would be higher but society as a whole would benefit and they can certainly afford to do it.

No, because top private schools aren't top because of the education. They are top because they provided exclusively access to opportunities to get rich.

People are talking about CS departments. There is 0 need to go to university to learn CS. It's all available better for free on the Internet. The only reason to go is to network with social/wealth elites.

+1

As some have noted, Cornell admits directly into 1 of its 7 undergrad colleges. The undergrad admission rates vary dramatically from about 2% (i.e. Dyson business) to about 20% (i.e. Hotel Administration and Agriculture). Arts & Sciences (largest college) is about 5-7% admit rate. Talking about admission rates without specifying the college is like saying the average temperature in DC is 58 degrees -- but it could be as high as 95 (like today) or as low as 22 (as in mid-January).

This is a very good point but not sure posters here will understand it

Many don’t, trust me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No kids in college yet but curious...

Why is Cornell called a "lower Ivy"?

People say this but it depends on what you want to study to be honest. For some majors Cornell is one of the top Ivies.

It's the best ivy for engineering. Far better than Harvard or Yale. And their acceptance rate for Dyson - the business program - is 5 percent, which is lower than Wharton. In the majors that matter, Cornell is better than nearly all the ivies. But it's true, Cornell cannot compete with art history or gender studies at Yale.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Someone posted another thread, but Cornell has placement per capita for med school that doesn't keep pace with the other ivys, but instead Vandy, Emory, WashU, etc. This reiterates the point that these schools have caught up with Cornell.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1149442.page

historically, cornell's health profession advisory committee will write requisite medical school admissions letters for all comers irrespective of grades

don't think other ivies do that, cherry-picking those they think will succeed or at least STRONGLY discouraging those they believe wont

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone posted another thread, but Cornell has placement per capita for med school that doesn't keep pace with the other ivys, but instead Vandy, Emory, WashU, etc. This reiterates the point that these schools have caught up with Cornell.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1149442.page

historically, cornell's health profession advisory committee will write requisite medical school admissions letters for all comers irrespective of grades

don't think other ivies do that, cherry-picking those they think will succeed or at least STRONGLY discouraging those they believe wont

Upper Ivies don't have premed or advisory committees for students. Rec letters come from professors who know students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone posted another thread, but Cornell has placement per capita for med school that doesn't keep pace with the other ivys, but instead Vandy, Emory, WashU, etc. This reiterates the point that these schools have caught up with Cornell.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1149442.page

historically, cornell's health profession advisory committee will write requisite medical school admissions letters for all comers irrespective of grades

don't think other ivies do that, cherry-picking those they think will succeed or at least STRONGLY discouraging those they believe wont

How good can an Ivy school be if it can't select and educate students to prepare for med school?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Someone posted another thread, but Cornell has placement per capita for med school that doesn't keep pace with the other ivys, but instead Vandy, Emory, WashU, etc. This reiterates the point that these schools have caught up with Cornell.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1149442.page

Cornell does not have placement for med school like other Ivies because it is not like other Ivies. Cornell is very heavily represented in majors where the kids have self selected away from any potential med school interest. 6 of the 7 undergrad colleges probably don't send a single student on to med school in a given graduation class. Hotel Administration, ALS (agriculture), ILR (industrial labor relations), Human Ecology, Dyson/Buysiness, and Architecture are sending nobody to med school. And precious few of Cornell's several hundred CS/Engineeting grads each year are going to med school either. Only Arts & Sciences (under 50% of each Cornell class) will have kids going to med school after graduation.

[Anonymous]

Lower Ivy my Butt!

https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2024?&page=0