Why is Cornell called "lower Ivy"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Its funny how these things change over time. I can remember in the 1980s when Penn was the "bottom Ivy" and everyone I knew would rank Cornell higher than Brown and equal or better than Dartmouth. Cornell was ranked #8 in the first US News ranking in 1983.

I wonder if Andy on the Office was the start of people bashing Cornell. Cornell being large, being in a cold rural area, having some state funding, and having a lower overall admission rate than the other Ivies contributes to this bottom Ivy label. However, its too big and diverse (with 7 colleges) a school to put a one label on. The Cornell programs I know - Arts & Sciences, Engineering, and Architecture - are top notch.

The 1983 ranking also had Berkeley and Michigan ahead of Cornell, had Cornell tied with Illinois, and had them all ahead of MIT. I mean . . .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s not, except by the biddies and harpies on DCUM whose kids didn’t get in.

I know someone who went there and she's kinda dumb. Maybe it's because of her.

This is funny.

Actually it's not. It's pathetic

[Anonymous]

This is nothing new.

There are the top Ivies - a/k/a HYP.

There are the striver Ivies - Columbia and Penn.

And there are the lower Ivies - Brown, Cornell, and Dartmouth.

The lower Ivies are still great schools with very competitive admissions. But if HYP only have a few peers like Stanford and MIT, there are a larger number of schools, including other private universities, top state schools, and top SLACs, generally considered on par with Brown, Cornell, and Dartmouth.

That’s just the way it is, and has been for years, and no DCUM thread is going to change things.

[Anonymous]

Just get into an Ivy. Employers and graduate schools don't care nor distinguish between them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just get into an Ivy. Employers and graduate schools don't care nor distinguish between them.

Depends on the employer.

[Anonymous]

Cornell is much easier to get into than the others. There have been 10 plus students from our public high school who have gotten in each of the past 2 years. Vs the other ivies have 0-2.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s not, except by the biddies and harpies on DCUM whose kids didn’t get in.

I know someone who went there and she's kinda dumb. Maybe it's because of her.

This is funny.

Actually it's not. It's pathetic

NP. Nope. It's funny.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is nothing new.

There are the top Ivies - a/k/a HYP.

There are the striver Ivies - Columbia and Penn.

And there are the lower Ivies - Brown, Cornell, and Dartmouth.

The lower Ivies are still great schools with very competitive admissions. But if HYP only have a few peers like Stanford and MIT, there are a larger number of schools, including other private universities, top state schools, and top SLACs, generally considered on par with Brown, Cornell, and Dartmouth.

That’s just the way it is, and has been for years, and no DCUM thread is going to change things.

Columbia is currently the lowest ranked ivy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s not, except by the biddies and harpies on DCUM whose kids didn’t get in.

I know someone who went there and she's kinda dumb. Maybe it's because of her.

This is funny.

Actually it's not. It's pathetic

No, it’s funny.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its funny how these things change over time. I can remember in the 1980s when Penn was the "bottom Ivy" and everyone I knew would rank Cornell higher than Brown and equal or better than Dartmouth. Cornell was ranked #8 in the first US News ranking in 1983.

I wonder if Andy on the Office was the start of people bashing Cornell. Cornell being large, being in a cold rural area, having some state funding, and having a lower overall admission rate than the other Ivies contributes to this bottom Ivy label. However, its too big and diverse (with 7 colleges) a school to put a one label on. The Cornell programs I know - Arts & Sciences, Engineering, and Architecture - are top notch.

The 1983 ranking also had Berkeley and Michigan ahead of Cornell, had Cornell tied with Illinois, and had them all ahead of MIT. I mean . . .

….it was accurate at one time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just get into an Ivy. Employers and graduate schools don't care nor distinguish between them.

I do hiring and absolutely do not view these schools equally.

[Anonymous]

HYP no longer makes sense since Yale has not kept up with peers, particularly in STEM. I would put Penn above Yale.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just get into an Ivy. Employers and graduate schools don't care nor distinguish between them.

I do hiring and absolutely do not view these schools equally.

And where did you go to school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just get into an Ivy. Employers and graduate schools don't care nor distinguish between them.

I do hiring and absolutely do not view these schools equally.

Do tell...please tell me how you evaluate potential employees from Ivy's? What about potential employees from large public flagship schools? Please be specific on how you "hire" candidates!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:HYP no longer makes sense since Yale has not kept up with peers, particularly in STEM. I would put Penn above Yale.

Your views are irrelevant.