Tech is back -- when will DH get a new tech sales role

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Anonymous wrote:It’s October basically. Another month.

DH is getting demoralized after calling in every network he could. He is desperate to find his next play in tech sales, but nothing is coming through.

We may have to sell our house if no job by January. Move back in with my parents which I know will be really really hard in their small house with all 4 of us.

He needs to take any job he can get. Where is your savings?

What else can sales guys do? Before tech sales he was a bartender, studied journalism in college.

It sounds like this is the problem. He lacks the skill and experience. He can go back to bartending. Anything is better than nothing.

He’s been in tech sales 8 years, can turn back now.

He’s way too old to bartend. What about gov contracting? I just want something stable; he’s changed jobs every year and now this layoff, the money was great but clearly not at FU money so kind of a roller coaster.

Too old to bartend??? What kind of ageist BS is that? And gov't contracting is the opposite of stable. I think you both might need a reality check. My husband would get a job mopping floors at 7-11 if that's what it took to put food on the table. And you can walk into an interview and hold your head high and say that you took what you could while looking cuz that's better than sitting around doing nothing; they don't care that job hunting can be a full time job. They see a resume gap and what to know what was up. Telling them you were sitting around waiting, only looking for one type of job shows a lack of flexibility and adaptability. Beggars can't be choosers.

But we neee a professional salary to keep food on the table. Waiting tables and earning $20/hr will not extend our runway at all. We live in California, so our crummy townhouse costs $1.5M — that’s a huge chunk of change — we need $60k after tax just to cover mortgage. A $41k pretax job is foolish — he needs to be hustling for the next sales job not burning time and energy for months to buy is 1 more weeks of mortgage payments.

You want, you don’t need.

Okay we want to not have our home foreclosed? We might even be underwater since SF real estate is down.

Then you both have to hustle and take new jobs, or two jobs and make it work. You choose to buy an expensive house and not save so the consequence of your failure to plan is this. You could never afford that house. Sell it and move to something more affordable.

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Anonymous wrote:My brother is in tech sales for a major security tech company, like Checkpoint and PaloAlto network, and he cleared around 500K and 400K bonus for the past five years because security in tech is still in high demand. My DS recently graduated from UVA in Computer Engineering and turned down a job with FAANG so that he can work in tech sales. I think the gravy train will continue. Companies are spending a lot of money on security.

Exactly. Tech crunch is saying layoffs are over. There is still a lot of adoption for tech to occur.

Its far from over.

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Anonymous wrote:His linkedin should say “open to work”. Jumping around is viewed as he got 3-6 months of rampup, and jumped ship when the going got tough.

Oh yeah he’s had “open to work” since May!

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Anonymous wrote:My brother is in tech sales for a major security tech company, like Checkpoint and PaloAlto network, and he cleared around 500K and 400K bonus for the past five years because security in tech is still in high demand. My DS recently graduated from UVA in Computer Engineering and turned down a job with FAANG so that he can work in tech sales. I think the gravy train will continue. Companies are spending a lot of money on security.

Exactly. Tech crunch is saying layoffs are over. There is still a lot of adoption for tech to occur.

Its far from over.

We just had two tech IPO — Instacart is now a public company and even profitable! It is over.

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Anonymous wrote:My brother is in tech sales for a major security tech company, like Checkpoint and PaloAlto network, and he cleared around 500K and 400K bonus for the past five years because security in tech is still in high demand. My DS recently graduated from UVA in Computer Engineering and turned down a job with FAANG so that he can work in tech sales. I think the gravy train will continue. Companies are spending a lot of money on security.

Exactly. Tech crunch is saying layoffs are over. There is still a lot of adoption for tech to occur.

Its far from over.

We just had two tech IPO — Instacart is now a public company and even profitable! It is over.

Wait until databricks blows the lid off the market. Hiring will explode even more.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereksaul/2023/09/14/top-ipo-prospect-databricks-scores-43-billion-valuation-thanks-to-500-million-funding-round-including-ai-titan-nvidia/

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Companies having good profits has nothing to do with hiring. Most are cutting back so they can get those profits.

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Anonymous wrote:Companies having good profits has nothing to do with mhiring. Most are cutting back so they can get those profits.

But IPO raises big mounds of cash to invest in business which usually means hiring.

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Anonymous wrote:My brother is in tech sales for a major security tech company, like Checkpoint and PaloAlto network, and he cleared around 500K and 400K bonus for the past five years because security in tech is still in high demand. My DS recently graduated from UVA in Computer Engineering and turned down a job with FAANG so that he can work in tech sales. I think the gravy train will continue. Companies are spending a lot of money on security.

Exactly. Tech crunch is saying layoffs are over. There is still a lot of adoption for tech to occur.

Its far from over.

I think it depends on the products you know how to sell, since different things are "hot" within the tech market at different times.

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Anonymous wrote:My brother is in tech sales for a major security tech company, like Checkpoint and PaloAlto network, and he cleared around 500K and 400K bonus for the past five years because security in tech is still in high demand. My DS recently graduated from UVA in Computer Engineering and turned down a job with FAANG so that he can work in tech sales. I think the gravy train will continue. Companies are spending a lot of money on security.

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Exactly. Tech crunch is saying layoffs are over. There is still a lot of adoption for tech to occur.

Its far from over.

I think it depends on the products you know how to sell, since different things are "hot" within the tech market at different times.

Exactly still plenty of hot money in tech sales. Just pivot to the right product and profit!

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Anonymous wrote:Glad to hear about tech sales layoffs. Bunch of useless white jocks making $$$$ off the backs of developers who make much less.

Programmers at FAANG companies make more than sales. Also, some are developers. My husband was a programmer for like 15 years and then had to move into either sales or management to advance.

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Anyone of a certain age who has been in tech knows that this happens. It happened in 2001. It happened in 2008 (and affected most careers). Tech companies overhired and now they’re correcting. It sucks but it will get better again. But my prediction is at least 6 months to a year. DH was in tech sales, switched to software development management and now has considered getting back into sales. But no one is hiring. So he’s riding it out.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s October basically. Another month.

DH is getting demoralized after calling in every network he could. He is desperate to find his next play in tech sales, but nothing is coming through.

We may have to sell our house if no job by January. Move back in with my parents which I know will be really really hard in their small house with all 4 of us.

He needs to take any job he can get. Where is your savings?

What else can sales guys do? Before tech sales he was a bartender, studied journalism in college.

It sounds like this is the problem. He lacks the skill and experience. He can go back to bartending. Anything is better than nothing.

He’s been in tech sales 8 years, can turn back now.

He’s way too old to bartend. What about gov contracting? I just want something stable; he’s changed jobs every year and now this layoff, the money was great but clearly not at FU money so kind of a roller coaster.

Fellow tech sales (and non-tech sales) person here. Your DH needs a career change. If he switched jobs every year then he likely wasn’t very good. They money was good for everyone for the last decade but the gravy train is over for everyone but the best salespeople.

He is not going to make $400k a year. He needs to look for a people skills job. Something interfacing with clients. Account management/CS. Needs to look outside tech and you need a FT job. Sounds like you all live beyond your means. Tighten your budget, downgrade your cars, no vacations, no restaurants, no new clothes, etc.

He was switching jobs for bigger pay raises each time. I thought that was what everyone did?

And now that is over. This is good advice.

Lol. It’s over for like the next year, maybe…then back to the game.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s October basically. Another month.

DH is getting demoralized after calling in every network he could. He is desperate to find his next play in tech sales, but nothing is coming through.

We may have to sell our house if no job by January. Move back in with my parents which I know will be really really hard in their small house with all 4 of us.

He needs to take any job he can get. Where is your savings?

What else can sales guys do? Before tech sales he was a bartender, studied journalism in college.

It sounds like this is the problem. He lacks the skill and experience. He can go back to bartending. Anything is better than nothing.

He’s been in tech sales 8 years, can turn back now.

He’s way too old to bartend. What about gov contracting? I just want something stable; he’s changed jobs every year and now this layoff, the money was great but clearly not at FU money so kind of a roller coaster.

Fellow tech sales (and non-tech sales) person here. Your DH needs a career change. If he switched jobs every year then he likely wasn’t very good. They money was good for everyone for the last decade but the gravy train is over for everyone but the best salespeople.

He is not going to make $400k a year. He needs to look for a people skills job. Something interfacing with clients. Account management/CS. Needs to look outside tech and you need a FT job. Sounds like you all live beyond your means. Tighten your budget, downgrade your cars, no vacations, no restaurants, no new clothes, etc.

He was switching jobs for bigger pay raises each time. I thought that was what everyone did?

And now that is over. This is good advice.

Lol. It’s over for like the next year, maybe…then back to the game.

So ride it out for like 6 months. Sounds like a plan.

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Anonymous wrote:Glad to hear about tech sales layoffs. Bunch of useless white jocks making $$$$ off the backs of developers who make much less.

Programmers at FAANG companies make more than sales. Also, some are developers. My husband was a programmer for like 15 years and then had to move into either sales or management to advance.

I am a software developer at FAANG and I make around 300K. All of the sales people in my group make around 800K. Less than 1% of the software developers make more than sales but those are superstars.

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Anonymous wrote:Glad to hear about tech sales layoffs. Bunch of useless white jocks making $$$$ off the backs of developers who make much less.

Programmers at FAANG companies make more than sales. Also, some are developers. My husband was a programmer for like 15 years and then had to move into either sales or management to advance.

I am a software developer at FAANG and I make around 300K. All of the sales people in my group make around 800K. Less than 1% of the software developers make more than sales but those are superstars.

Way more likely to buy cut from sales role than programmer role in general. You only see survivors.