Tech is back -- when will DH get a new tech sales role

[Anonymous]

OP, you’re being unreasonable…getting a 400k job is hard enough in a typical economy, right now the tech sector is facing a major downturn. He needs to be bringing in some money - at some point not having a job for a long period is a liability. 100k is better than 0k. Maybe you can get a better job and he can bartend at night? Then childcare is less a worry.

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Anonymous wrote:He should apply for a bdr position. Databricks is hiring, they pay peanuts for these roles, but he can get a promotion to an ae in a year

Really? His last OTE was $400k. That job is$85k. Isn’t that career suicide

The days of 400k OTE for mediocre salespeople are over.

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Anonymous wrote:He should apply for a bdr position. Databricks is hiring, they pay peanuts for these roles, but he can get a promotion to an ae in a year

Really? His last OTE was $400k. That job is$85k. Isn’t that career suicide

The days of 400k OTE for mediocre salespeople are over.

Why insult him? He always hit his numbers and was top salesman even when he was laid off (his manager had a personal relationship she was promoting over him).

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Anonymous wrote:It’s October basically. Another month.

DH is getting demoralized after calling in every network he could. He is desperate to find his next play in tech sales, but nothing is coming through.

We may have to sell our house if no job by January. Move back in with my parents which I know will be really really hard in their small house with all 4 of us.

He needs to take any job he can get. Where is your savings?

What else can sales guys do? Before tech sales he was a bartender, studied journalism in college.

It sounds like this is the problem. He lacks the skill and experience. He can go back to bartending. Anything is better than nothing.

He’s been in tech sales 8 years, can turn back now.

He’s way too old to bartend. What about gov contracting? I just want something stable; he’s changed jobs every year and now this layoff, the money was great but clearly not at FU money so kind of a roller coaster.

Too old to bartend??? What kind of ageist BS is that? And gov't contracting is the opposite of stable. I think you both might need a reality check. My husband would get a job mopping floors at 7-11 if that's what it took to put food on the table. And you can walk into an interview and hold your head high and say that you took what you could while looking cuz that's better than sitting around doing nothing; they don't care that job hunting can be a full time job. They see a resume gap and what to know what was up. Telling them you were sitting around waiting, only looking for one type of job shows a lack of flexibility and adaptability. Beggars can't be choosers.

But we neee a professional salary to keep food on the table. Waiting tables and earning $20/hr will not extend our runway at all. We live in California, so our crummy townhouse costs $1.5M — that’s a huge chunk of change — we need $60k after tax just to cover mortgage. A $41k pretax job is foolish — he needs to be hustling for the next sales job not burning time and energy for months to buy is 1 more weeks of mortgage payments.

You want, you don’t need.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s October basically. Another month.

DH is getting demoralized after calling in every network he could. He is desperate to find his next play in tech sales, but nothing is coming through.

We may have to sell our house if no job by January. Move back in with my parents which I know will be really really hard in their small house with all 4 of us.

He needs to take any job he can get. Where is your savings?

What else can sales guys do? Before tech sales he was a bartender, studied journalism in college.

It sounds like this is the problem. He lacks the skill and experience. He can go back to bartending. Anything is better than nothing.

He’s been in tech sales 8 years, can turn back now.

He’s way too old to bartend. What about gov contracting? I just want something stable; he’s changed jobs every year and now this layoff, the money was great but clearly not at FU money so kind of a roller coaster.

Too old to bartend??? What kind of ageist BS is that? And gov't contracting is the opposite of stable. I think you both might need a reality check. My husband would get a job mopping floors at 7-11 if that's what it took to put food on the table. And you can walk into an interview and hold your head high and say that you took what you could while looking cuz that's better than sitting around doing nothing; they don't care that job hunting can be a full time job. They see a resume gap and what to know what was up. Telling them you were sitting around waiting, only looking for one type of job shows a lack of flexibility and adaptability. Beggars can't be choosers.

But we neee a professional salary to keep food on the table. Waiting tables and earning $20/hr will not extend our runway at all. We live in California, so our crummy townhouse costs $1.5M — that’s a huge chunk of change — we need $60k after tax just to cover mortgage. A $41k pretax job is foolish — he needs to be hustling for the next sales job not burning time and energy for months to buy is 1 more weeks of mortgage payments.

You want, you don’t need.

Okay we want to not have our home foreclosed? We might even be underwater since SF real estate is down.

[Anonymous]

My brother is in tech sales for a major security tech company, like Checkpoint and PaloAlto network, and he cleared around 500K and 400K bonus for the past five years because security in tech is still in high demand. My DS recently graduated from UVA in Computer Engineering and turned down a job with FAANG so that he can work in tech sales. I think the gravy train will continue. Companies are spending a lot of money on security.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s October basically. Another month.

DH is getting demoralized after calling in every network he could. He is desperate to find his next play in tech sales, but nothing is coming through.

We may have to sell our house if no job by January. Move back in with my parents which I know will be really really hard in their small house with all 4 of us.

He needs to take any job he can get. Where is your savings?

What else can sales guys do? Before tech sales he was a bartender, studied journalism in college.

It sounds like this is the problem. He lacks the skill and experience. He can go back to bartending. Anything is better than nothing.

He’s been in tech sales 8 years, can turn back now.

He’s way too old to bartend. What about gov contracting? I just want something stable; he’s changed jobs every year and now this layoff, the money was great but clearly not at FU money so kind of a roller coaster.

Too old to bartend??? What kind of ageist BS is that? And gov't contracting is the opposite of stable. I think you both might need a reality check. My husband would get a job mopping floors at 7-11 if that's what it took to put food on the table. And you can walk into an interview and hold your head high and say that you took what you could while looking cuz that's better than sitting around doing nothing; they don't care that job hunting can be a full time job. They see a resume gap and what to know what was up. Telling them you were sitting around waiting, only looking for one type of job shows a lack of flexibility and adaptability. Beggars can't be choosers.

But we neee a professional salary to keep food on the table. Waiting tables and earning $20/hr will not extend our runway at all. We live in California, so our crummy townhouse costs $1.5M — that’s a huge chunk of change — we need $60k after tax just to cover mortgage. A $41k pretax job is foolish — he needs to be hustling for the next sales job not burning time and energy for months to buy is 1 more weeks of mortgage payments.

You want, you don’t need.

Okay we want to not have our home foreclosed? We might even be underwater since SF real estate is down.

Then move back in with your parents and rent it out. You seem to be averse to creative solutions. Change is hard, and we've faced more than one layoff in my marriage of 18 years. But you are past, "Something will turn up, I'm sure". You need to accept the reality you have now and plan accordingly.

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Anonymous wrote:My brother is in tech sales for a major security tech company, like Checkpoint and PaloAlto network, and he cleared around 500K and 400K bonus for the past five years because security in tech is still in high demand. My DS recently graduated from UVA in Computer Engineering and turned down a job with FAANG so that he can work in tech sales. I think the gravy train will continue. Companies are spending a lot of money on security.

Exactly. Tech crunch is saying layoffs are over. There is still a lot of adoption for tech to occur.

[Anonymous]

Has he tried any of the customer privacy tech companies? This is becoming a bigger priority for enterprises because of new laws/regulations and seems like more changes will happen in the future.

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Anonymous wrote:Has he tried any of the customer privacy tech companies? This is becoming a bigger priority for enterprises because of new laws/regulations and seems like more changes will happen in the future.

Like onetrust or bigid

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Anonymous wrote:He should apply for a bdr position. Databricks is hiring, they pay peanuts for these roles, but he can get a promotion to an ae in a year

Really? His last OTE was $400k. That job is$85k. Isn’t that career suicide

The days of 400k OTE for mediocre salespeople are over.

Why insult him? He always hit his numbers and was top salesman even when he was laid off (his manager had a personal relationship she was promoting over him).

NP. I designed comp plans for tech companies in a past life.
If he was top-performing talent at his last half-a-dozen companies, they would've changed the comp structure for him to keep him around. The fact that he kept hopping around is a big red flag.

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Anonymous wrote:He should apply for a bdr position. Databricks is hiring, they pay peanuts for these roles, but he can get a promotion to an ae in a year

Really? His last OTE was $400k. That job is$85k. Isn’t that career suicide

The days of 400k OTE for mediocre salespeople are over.

Why insult him? He always hit his numbers and was top salesman even when he was laid off (his manager had a personal relationship she was promoting over him).

NP. I designed comp plans for tech companies in a past life.
If he was top-performing talent at his last half-a-dozen companies, they would've changed the comp structure for him to keep him around. The fact that he kept hopping around is a big red flag.

So when the counter offered when he resigned, it would have looked better to stay? It was a little more money for counter but I always hear taking a retention offer leaves bad blood.

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Anonymous wrote:He should apply for a bdr position. Databricks is hiring, they pay peanuts for these roles, but he can get a promotion to an ae in a year

Really? His last OTE was $400k. That job is$85k. Isn’t that career suicide

The days of 400k OTE for mediocre salespeople are over.

Why insult him? He always hit his numbers and was top salesman even when he was laid off (his manager had a personal relationship she was promoting over him).

NP. I designed comp plans for tech companies in a past life.
If he was top-performing talent at his last half-a-dozen companies, they would've changed the comp structure for him to keep him around. The fact that he kept hopping around is a big red flag.

Would it have been better to just stay at a company even if they aren't raising comp, or was he screwed either way from a sales performance perspective.

I wish I understood his business more; his linked in says he is looking for his next "play in sales" which sounds so weird to me, but I guess that's the lingo in his niche.

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His linkedin should say “open to work”. Jumping around is viewed as he got 3-6 months of rampup, and jumped ship when the going got tough.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s October basically. Another month.

DH is getting demoralized after calling in every network he could. He is desperate to find his next play in tech sales, but nothing is coming through.

We may have to sell our house if no job by January. Move back in with my parents which I know will be really really hard in their small house with all 4 of us.

He needs to take any job he can get. Where is your savings?

What else can sales guys do? Before tech sales he was a bartender, studied journalism in college.

It sounds like this is the problem. He lacks the skill and experience. He can go back to bartending. Anything is better than nothing.

He’s been in tech sales 8 years, can turn back now.

He’s way too old to bartend. What about gov contracting? I just want something stable; he’s changed jobs every year and now this layoff, the money was great but clearly not at FU money so kind of a roller coaster.

Fellow tech sales (and non-tech sales) person here. Your DH needs a career change. If he switched jobs every year then he likely wasn’t very good. They money was good for everyone for the last decade but the gravy train is over for everyone but the best salespeople.

He is not going to make $400k a year. He needs to look for a people skills job. Something interfacing with clients. Account management/CS. Needs to look outside tech and you need a FT job. Sounds like you all live beyond your means. Tighten your budget, downgrade your cars, no vacations, no restaurants, no new clothes, etc.

He was switching jobs for bigger pay raises each time. I thought that was what everyone did?

In sales the upside is the commission. You start to make real money in years 2, 3, etc if you’re good. Or you jump ship when your ramp time runs out and you can’t cut it. It’s been really easy to fail up for the last decade, but that’s over.

Truly, I think you need to encourage him to look at other options outside of sales. And you should also look for a full time job. He can watch the kids. It doesn’t take *that* long to apply and interview.