Columbia permanently pulls out of US news

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“Good” for them! That means Columbia will be irrelevant.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia doesn't need the headache. I would't be surprised to see other similarly situated schools like HYPSM or the top SLACs like Williams and Amherst follow suit. I also wouldn't be surprised to see lower ranked flagships (Alabama, Arizona, Nebraska...) to realize that the ratings are in no way helping them and pull out.

Don't see how you can honestly defend this. The clearly cared about the ranking when they were cheating and subsequently bragging about their #2 ranking. Now they don't need it? It's phony. They likely realized the changes US news is making to the ranking would permanently lower their ranking, so they're getting out in front of it.

They are the ivy league school in NYC. They will be fine. It does not matter if they are ranked 7 or 27, they are still the most prestigious university in the largest city in the country.

If they drop anymore, NYU will pass them.

NYU has better vibe

It pains me to say this but I really never thought I'd see the day when the idea of NYU one day surpassing Columbia somehow seems passably feasible, but alas, that day has come. Columbia really shot itself in the foot here.

NYU MBA and Law School are already ranked higher than Columbia's respective programs. So if/when NYU undergrad also passes Columbia then it's true NYU is wholly better than Columbia. Shocking but things seemed to have changed quickly for them.

Columbia has a much larger endowment, a much better known name, and they are a member of the ivy league. League membership alone confers prestige because more people know and care about that than wether or school is ranked 8 vs. 17.

Ivy league membership hasn't seemed to help Cornell much and seems like Columbia will be in the same boat soon. The joke of the Ivy. MIT, Duke, U Chicago etc are better than many ivys. No reason why NYU or schools like it can't pass the lower ivys like Columbia.

Cornel is a massive university in a tiny town in the middle of central New York with some of the worst weather in the country. They are still a top 20 school with similarly ranked graduate schools, a $10 billion endowment, and a sub 10% admissions rate. Can you point to a single other university with an isolated cold weather campus and the same prestige? The only one I can think of is Dartmouth, which also happens to be in the ivy league.

I can see NYU closing the gap between schools like Dartmouth, Cornell.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia doesn't need the headache. I would't be surprised to see other similarly situated schools like HYPSM or the top SLACs like Williams and Amherst follow suit. I also wouldn't be surprised to see lower ranked flagships (Alabama, Arizona, Nebraska...) to realize that the ratings are in no way helping them and pull out.

Don't see how you can honestly defend this. The clearly cared about the ranking when they were cheating and subsequently bragging about their #2 ranking. Now they don't need it? It's phony. They likely realized the changes US news is making to the ranking would permanently lower their ranking, so they're getting out in front of it.

They are the ivy league school in NYC. They will be fine. It does not matter if they are ranked 7 or 27, they are still the most prestigious university in the largest city in the country.

If they drop anymore, NYU will pass them.

NYU has better vibe

It pains me to say this but I really never thought I'd see the day when the idea of NYU one day surpassing Columbia somehow seems passably feasible, but alas, that day has come. Columbia really shot itself in the foot here.

NYU MBA and Law School are already ranked higher than Columbia's respective programs. So if/when NYU undergrad also passes Columbia then it's true NYU is wholly better than Columbia. Shocking but things seemed to have changed quickly for them.

NYU MBA is not stronger than Columbia MBA. Columbia is still M7, and NYU is still a string or two below.

Columbia hasn't been top7 in years. That M7 thing won't last.

M7 is a pseudo-official grouping. Although it's tied to the rankings. Doesn't matter than Columbia gets ranked #8 every couple of years, it's still M7. And most salient to this conversation, it's still ranked above NYU's b-school, so no idea where you're even getting your information.

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Anonymous wrote:In short:

We got caught cheating and are unwilling to pay the price so we quit.

Signed,

Columbia University

This.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia doesn't need the headache. I would't be surprised to see other similarly situated schools like HYPSM or the top SLACs like Williams and Amherst follow suit. I also wouldn't be surprised to see lower ranked flagships (Alabama, Arizona, Nebraska...) to realize that the ratings are in no way helping them and pull out.

Don't see how you can honestly defend this. The clearly cared about the ranking when they were cheating and subsequently bragging about their #2 ranking. Now they don't need it? It's phony. They likely realized the changes US news is making to the ranking would permanently lower their ranking, so they're getting out in front of it.

They are the ivy league school in NYC. They will be fine. It does not matter if they are ranked 7 or 27, they are still the most prestigious university in the largest city in the country.

If they drop anymore, NYU will pass them.

NYU has better vibe

It pains me to say this but I really never thought I'd see the day when the idea of NYU one day surpassing Columbia somehow seems passably feasible, but alas, that day has come. Columbia really shot itself in the foot here.

NYU MBA and Law School are already ranked higher than Columbia's respective programs. So if/when NYU undergrad also passes Columbia then it's true NYU is wholly better than Columbia. Shocking but things seemed to have changed quickly for them.

Columbia has a much larger endowment, a much better known name, and they are a member of the ivy league. League membership alone confers prestige because more people know and care about that than wether or school is ranked 8 vs. 17.

Ivy league membership hasn't seemed to help Cornell much and seems like Columbia will be in the same boat soon. The joke of the Ivy. MIT, Duke, U Chicago etc are better than many ivys. No reason why NYU or schools like it can't pass the lower ivys like Columbia.

Cornel is a massive university in a tiny town in the middle of central New York with some of the worst weather in the country. They are still a top 20 school with similarly ranked graduate schools, a $10 billion endowment, and a sub 10% admissions rate. Can you point to a single other university with an isolated cold weather campus and the same prestige? The only one I can think of is Dartmouth, which also happens to be in the ivy league.

Sounds like you're saying Cornell wouldn't be T20 if it wasn't in the ivy league. I would agree with you.

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Anonymous wrote:Good for Columbia. USNWR showed they are incompetent with their law school rankings rollout debacle this year. USNWR, or what is left of it outside of ranking anything they can in life, is just sad. The annual rankings are clickbait that people somehow genuinely care about. Movement year to year is essentially meaningless yet alumni and high schoolers are holding their breath on the eve of the release.

You're delusional. 35 million people read US news yearly. 10 years time Columbia will be a teir 3 school.

You do realize Columbia will be ranked higher than they are this year even without directly participating in the data collection, right?
It is the best school in one of the most popular destination cities. The only tier 3 it could ever drop to is an imaginary third tier of the Ivy League (which will all still be top 25 regardless on the ranker).

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Anonymous wrote:As much as everyone wants to hate on USNWR rankings...there are now plenty of others including Forbes, WSJ, etc.

That said...the Top 20 universities by any of these rankings are all the same, just reshuffled somewhat. The only rankings dramatically different are those that try to rank economic mobility or other unusual metrics.

Regarding Columbia, they were caught cheating by one of their own professors. They lied about what %age of their professors have terminal degrees, and they included all their hospital/medical research funding in their spending per pupil. That latter metric is what really catapulted them...the professor said that Columbia spent 2x-3x per student compared to Harvard, Stanford, Yale etc. when including this funding (which none of the other schools included...because it had nothing to do with undergraduate student funding or really even Medical School student funding).

They deserve to be called out for this.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia doesn't need the headache. I would't be surprised to see other similarly situated schools like HYPSM or the top SLACs like Williams and Amherst follow suit. I also wouldn't be surprised to see lower ranked flagships (Alabama, Arizona, Nebraska...) to realize that the ratings are in no way helping them and pull out.

Don't see how you can honestly defend this. The clearly cared about the ranking when they were cheating and subsequently bragging about their #2 ranking. Now they don't need it? It's phony. They likely realized the changes US news is making to the ranking would permanently lower their ranking, so they're getting out in front of it.

They are the ivy league school in NYC. They will be fine. It does not matter if they are ranked 7 or 27, they are still the most prestigious university in the largest city in the country.

If they drop anymore, NYU will pass them.

NYU has better vibe

It pains me to say this but I really never thought I'd see the day when the idea of NYU one day surpassing Columbia somehow seems passably feasible, but alas, that day has come. Columbia really shot itself in the foot here.

NYU MBA and Law School are already ranked higher than Columbia's respective programs. So if/when NYU undergrad also passes Columbia then it's true NYU is wholly better than Columbia. Shocking but things seemed to have changed quickly for them.

NYU MBA is not stronger than Columbia MBA. Columbia is still M7, and NYU is still a string or two below.

Columbia hasn't been top7 in years. That M7 thing won't last.

M7 is a pseudo-official grouping. Although it's tied to the rankings. Doesn't matter than Columbia gets ranked #8 every couple of years, it's still M7. And most salient to this conversation, it's still ranked above NYU's b-school, so no idea where you're even getting your information.

I'm getting my info from USnews lol. Columbia isn't even Top 10 anymore.
https://premium.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-business-schools/mba-rankings

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Anonymous wrote:Pure speculation but they do have a new president. I think she came from the UK so perhaps she is not as beholden to rankings as Americans are. Not sure if she deserves the credit or not but if yes, good for her for shaking up the system

US system is downgraded copy of UK system that has prestige and hierarchy unlike other Euro countries like Germany.

UK at least choose students by academic merits.

? As do selective US universities. What selective university isn't selecting based on academic merits? That makes no sense.

Oh, wait, did you mean EXCLUSIVELY on academic merits? Without regard to other characteristics and attributes a student might bring to the class cohort? Are you suggesting that UK universities don't do this? So what do they do when they receive more applications that are academically qualified than there are spots available? Because that's what happens here.

HELLLO ANYBODY HOME?
WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/study-harvard-finds-43-percent-white-students-are-legacy-athletes-n1060361

Characteristics?? Bullshit scores on courage kindness likability?
Seriously WTF

I've been right here, sweetheart. I've gone through the application process twice in the last two years.

I don't really understand the relevance of your link. Yes, we know some of these schools give preferences to legacies and athletes. But that doesn't mean they aren't academically qualified. Whatever is it that you're trying to say?

Would you go back to school for another degree knowing it would make your child a legacy? I don't know anyone who has done this (yet) but it would be possible to become a legacy at a place like Stanford, which "counts" grad school legacies, in 1-2 years.
Now that these news reports are so old and the data mostly older than that, are far more kids trying out and specializing in new sports? Many of them like squash, swimming, lacrosse, tennis, and golf have built out different support systems with the hope of diversifying and becoming more popular as the demos shift in the US.

A legacy story like that would be pretty amazing. Stanford has family housing right on campus, and you'd have access to some of the best schools in the country in Palo Alto during that time too.

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Anonymous wrote:Good for Columbia. USNWR showed they are incompetent with their law school rankings rollout debacle this year. USNWR, or what is left of it outside of ranking anything they can in life, is just sad. The annual rankings are clickbait that people somehow genuinely care about. Movement year to year is essentially meaningless yet alumni and high schoolers are holding their breath on the eve of the release.

You're delusional. 35 million people read US news yearly. 10 years time Columbia will be a teir 3 school.

You do realize Columbia will be ranked higher than they are this year even without directly participating in the data collection, right?
It is the best school in one of the most popular destination cities. The only tier 3 it could ever drop to is an imaginary third tier of the Ivy League (which will all still be top 25 regardless on the ranker).

They won't. US news is adding Columbia GS to the formula. The school with an 80% graduation rate.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia doesn't need the headache. I would't be surprised to see other similarly situated schools like HYPSM or the top SLACs like Williams and Amherst follow suit. I also wouldn't be surprised to see lower ranked flagships (Alabama, Arizona, Nebraska...) to realize that the ratings are in no way helping them and pull out.

Don't see how you can honestly defend this. The clearly cared about the ranking when they were cheating and subsequently bragging about their #2 ranking. Now they don't need it? It's phony. They likely realized the changes US news is making to the ranking would permanently lower their ranking, so they're getting out in front of it.

They are the ivy league school in NYC. They will be fine. It does not matter if they are ranked 7 or 27, they are still the most prestigious university in the largest city in the country.

If they drop anymore, NYU will pass them.

NYU has better vibe

It pains me to say this but I really never thought I'd see the day when the idea of NYU one day surpassing Columbia somehow seems passably feasible, but alas, that day has come. Columbia really shot itself in the foot here.

NYU MBA and Law School are already ranked higher than Columbia's respective programs. So if/when NYU undergrad also passes Columbia then it's true NYU is wholly better than Columbia. Shocking but things seemed to have changed quickly for them.

NYU MBA is not stronger than Columbia MBA. Columbia is still M7, and NYU is still a string or two below.

Columbia hasn't been top7 in years. That M7 thing won't last.

M7 is a pseudo-official grouping. Although it's tied to the rankings. Doesn't matter than Columbia gets ranked #8 every couple of years, it's still M7. And most salient to this conversation, it's still ranked above NYU's b-school, so no idea where you're even getting your information.

I'm getting my info from USnews lol. Columbia isn't even Top 10 anymore.
https://premium.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-business-schools/mba-rankings

FWIW, USNWR doesn't have nearly the sway it does in undergrad rankings in MBA rankings.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia doesn't need the headache. I would't be surprised to see other similarly situated schools like HYPSM or the top SLACs like Williams and Amherst follow suit. I also wouldn't be surprised to see lower ranked flagships (Alabama, Arizona, Nebraska...) to realize that the ratings are in no way helping them and pull out.

Don't see how you can honestly defend this. The clearly cared about the ranking when they were cheating and subsequently bragging about their #2 ranking. Now they don't need it? It's phony. They likely realized the changes US news is making to the ranking would permanently lower their ranking, so they're getting out in front of it.

They are the ivy league school in NYC. They will be fine. It does not matter if they are ranked 7 or 27, they are still the most prestigious university in the largest city in the country.

If they drop anymore, NYU will pass them.

NYU has better vibe

It pains me to say this but I really never thought I'd see the day when the idea of NYU one day surpassing Columbia somehow seems passably feasible, but alas, that day has come. Columbia really shot itself in the foot here.

NYU MBA and Law School are already ranked higher than Columbia's respective programs. So if/when NYU undergrad also passes Columbia then it's true NYU is wholly better than Columbia. Shocking but things seemed to have changed quickly for them.

NYU MBA is not stronger than Columbia MBA. Columbia is still M7, and NYU is still a string or two below.

Columbia hasn't been top7 in years. That M7 thing won't last.

M7 is a pseudo-official grouping. Although it's tied to the rankings. Doesn't matter than Columbia gets ranked #8 every couple of years, it's still M7. And most salient to this conversation, it's still ranked above NYU's b-school, so no idea where you're even getting your information.

I'm getting my info from USnews lol. Columbia isn't even Top 10 anymore.
https://premium.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-business-schools/mba-rankings

Regardless of what fancy new methodology US News trots out depending on the year, M7 will be M7.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia doesn't need the headache. I would't be surprised to see other similarly situated schools like HYPSM or the top SLACs like Williams and Amherst follow suit. I also wouldn't be surprised to see lower ranked flagships (Alabama, Arizona, Nebraska...) to realize that the ratings are in no way helping them and pull out.

Don't see how you can honestly defend this. The clearly cared about the ranking when they were cheating and subsequently bragging about their #2 ranking. Now they don't need it? It's phony. They likely realized the changes US news is making to the ranking would permanently lower their ranking, so they're getting out in front of it.

They are the ivy league school in NYC. They will be fine. It does not matter if they are ranked 7 or 27, they are still the most prestigious university in the largest city in the country.

If they drop anymore, NYU will pass them.

NYU has better vibe

It pains me to say this but I really never thought I'd see the day when the idea of NYU one day surpassing Columbia somehow seems passably feasible, but alas, that day has come. Columbia really shot itself in the foot here.

NYU MBA and Law School are already ranked higher than Columbia's respective programs. So if/when NYU undergrad also passes Columbia then it's true NYU is wholly better than Columbia. Shocking but things seemed to have changed quickly for them.

NYU MBA is not stronger than Columbia MBA. Columbia is still M7, and NYU is still a string or two below.

Columbia hasn't been top7 in years. That M7 thing won't last.

M7 is a pseudo-official grouping. Although it's tied to the rankings. Doesn't matter than Columbia gets ranked #8 every couple of years, it's still M7. And most salient to this conversation, it's still ranked above NYU's b-school, so no idea where you're even getting your information.

I'm getting my info from USnews lol. Columbia isn't even Top 10 anymore.
https://premium.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-business-schools/mba-rankings

FWIW, USNWR doesn't have nearly the sway it does in undergrad rankings in MBA rankings.

If that makes you feel better about Columbia's drop in prestige.

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Anonymous wrote:Good for Columbia. USNWR showed they are incompetent with their law school rankings rollout debacle this year. USNWR, or what is left of it outside of ranking anything they can in life, is just sad. The annual rankings are clickbait that people somehow genuinely care about. Movement year to year is essentially meaningless yet alumni and high schoolers are holding their breath on the eve of the release.

You're delusional. 35 million people read US news yearly. 10 years time Columbia will be a teir 3 school.

You do realize Columbia will be ranked higher than they are this year even without directly participating in the data collection, right?
It is the best school in one of the most popular destination cities. The only tier 3 it could ever drop to is an imaginary third tier of the Ivy League (which will all still be top 25 regardless on the ranker).

They won't. US news is adding Columbia GS to the formula. The school with an 80% graduation rate.

That is only about 1/3 the size of the other portion though.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia doesn't need the headache. I would't be surprised to see other similarly situated schools like HYPSM or the top SLACs like Williams and Amherst follow suit. I also wouldn't be surprised to see lower ranked flagships (Alabama, Arizona, Nebraska...) to realize that the ratings are in no way helping them and pull out.

Don't see how you can honestly defend this. The clearly cared about the ranking when they were cheating and subsequently bragging about their #2 ranking. Now they don't need it? It's phony. They likely realized the changes US news is making to the ranking would permanently lower their ranking, so they're getting out in front of it.

They are the ivy league school in NYC. They will be fine. It does not matter if they are ranked 7 or 27, they are still the most prestigious university in the largest city in the country.

If they drop anymore, NYU will pass them.

NYU has better vibe

It pains me to say this but I really never thought I'd see the day when the idea of NYU one day surpassing Columbia somehow seems passably feasible, but alas, that day has come. Columbia really shot itself in the foot here.

NYU MBA and Law School are already ranked higher than Columbia's respective programs. So if/when NYU undergrad also passes Columbia then it's true NYU is wholly better than Columbia. Shocking but things seemed to have changed quickly for them.

NYU MBA is not stronger than Columbia MBA. Columbia is still M7, and NYU is still a string or two below.

Columbia hasn't been top7 in years. That M7 thing won't last.

M7 is a pseudo-official grouping. Although it's tied to the rankings. Doesn't matter than Columbia gets ranked #8 every couple of years, it's still M7. And most salient to this conversation, it's still ranked above NYU's b-school, so no idea where you're even getting your information.

I'm getting my info from USnews lol. Columbia isn't even Top 10 anymore.
https://premium.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-business-schools/mba-rankings

Regardless of what fancy new methodology US News trots out depending on the year, M7 will be M7.

The first stage of grief is denial. M7 is based in US news ranking just like T14 is for law schools. M7 were the same top 7 mba schools on US news for decades... Not anymore.