3% raise for teachers? What a joke FCPS!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is 3% + a step.

$80.9 million to provide a market scale adjustment of 3.0% for all employees.
$58.2 million to provide a step increase for all eligible employees.
$4.3 million to provide a step extension for all scales.

I'm not sure what you want from FCPS. The Fairfax Board of Supervisors needs to raise taxes further if you want big teacher raises.

We do want greater increases for teachers because we believe they deserve them.

What we want from FCPS is to stop spending on contractors and lawyers. The money allocated to social engineering programs and to protect FCPS employees who break the law should be plenty to increase teachers salaries more significantly than proposed. No need to raise our taxes more than they already are. What we need is to redirect expenses by prioritizing what really matters: Our teachers. They are our boots on the ground when it comes to educating our children. Panorama Education, Planned Parenthood, Sidley Austin LLP, and other contractors, are not.

It isn’t, and frankly you are stupid for thinking so.

Bright one, where is the money coming out from to pay these for-profit organizations? Please enlighten us.

It comes out of the budget, but it is a drop in the bucket of a $3.5B budget where the vast majority of costs are school-based personnel. You could get rid of those things you don’t like and distribute it to the teachers and they wouldn’t even notice in their paychecks.

+1. No one who makes these statements does the math. There are a lot of teachers and most of the budget goes to pay. Reallocating these other expenses to all teachers would not result in a meaningful raise.

How about voters don’t tv against a meals tax next time? If we can raise more money (especially in such a low impact way), most voters would be happy to give it to teacher pay. The meals tax vote was such a wasted opportunity.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, people need to stop comparing. The reality is teachers are leaving. Supply is low. Teaching is a high stress job. If you want teachers demands need to decrease and pay needs to increase. There are NO resumes coming in. So unless you are ok with random subs for your kid, parents need to really start understanding the job of a teacher in 2023 and why teachers should be paid way more for what they do.

The comparison game is always going to exist because teachers whine about how hard they have it.

Yes because we have to deal with entitled parents and children like you and yours.

And I have to deal with entitled clients so what’s the difference?

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Anonymous wrote:My private sector company is also giving 3%.

I’m sure your salaries are much higher to begin with.

My child's teacher makes $80k+

It took me at least 12 yrs to get to that salary. My son made more than that his first year out of college.

This. Teachers are not hitting $80k until at least 12 years. I have 15 years with and a masters +30 and I think I made $82k this year? And our healthcare costs went up with the change to Cigna and a higher out of pocket max, so I actually make less than last year. With the new teachers not getting a true pension, there is no reason to stay and put up with the mismanagement anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, people need to stop comparing. The reality is teachers are leaving. Supply is low. Teaching is a high stress job. If you want teachers demands need to decrease and pay needs to increase. There are NO resumes coming in. So unless you are ok with random subs for your kid, parents need to really start understanding the job of a teacher in 2023 and why teachers should be paid way more for what they do.

The comparison game is always going to exist because teachers whine about how hard they have it.

Yes because we have to deal with entitled parents and children like you and yours.

And I have to deal with entitled clients so what’s the difference?

Do you get paid for your time? Are they constantly telling you how and when to do your job? Do you get a lunch break-is it a whole hour? Do you have over 100 students talking at you all day(on top of the adults) and a lot of the day disrespecting you? Can you take off for a doctors appointment or a family emergency without ten people making you feel guilty questioning why you can't do these appointments/emergencies in the summer? Do you have to make plans for every time you are out of the office even if it's a meeting that you are told you have to be in mid day? This is just a bit of a teachers year.....there is a lot more that should be on this list. Don't get me started on how our planning time to do these emails and deal with these entitled parents is non-existent. You sound childish and ignorant and this is why we are here with the teacher shortage.

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Anonymous wrote:The 3% raise is frustrating because the senior leadership team is expanding in 2023-24 and they have also promoted themselves and received a larger than 3% raise (but they will now also receive 3% raise). Flattened the organization, net neutral, more efficient.

Where do you see senior leadership expanding and where do you see that they got a larger raise?

There is an updated org chart on the website. They are expanding teams at Gatehouse left and right, but not in areas that actually help teachers do their job more effectively. Expanding the exec positions and adding people in areas like Get2Green does nothing for kids and teachers in classrooms. It just leads to more surveys for teachers to fill out.

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers do get 2 months off. It is unique.

And winter break and spring break and many holidays. It’s not fair to compare salaries without taking that into account. And most professionals work “after hours” too.

most professionals answer emails after 4pm

Are you claiming teachers don’t?
I don’t get a moment during the school day to answer emails, so they pile up. I respond to ALL emails at home each night. (You do realize I’m teaching all day? That I’m not sitting at my desk on my computer?)

our teachers don’t. They let them all sit overnight and answer them at 9am during morning meeting. By then the homework can’t be worked on!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My private sector company is also giving 3%.

I’m sure your salaries are much higher to begin with.

My child's teacher makes $80k+

It took me at least 12 yrs to get to that salary. My son made more than that his first year out of college.

This. Teachers are not hitting $80k until at least 12 years. I have 15 years with and a masters +30 and I think I made $82k this year? And our healthcare costs went up with the change to Cigna and a higher out of pocket max, so I actually make less than last year. With the new teachers not getting a true pension, there is no reason to stay and put up with the mismanagement anymore.

My health care costs also went up. It happens everywhere but somehow teachers feel like they are the only ones this happens to. And why do you say new teachers don’t get a pension? FCPS still offers Erfc and vrc unlike other districts.

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers do get 2 months off. It is unique.

And winter break and spring break and many holidays. It’s not fair to compare salaries without taking that into account. And most professionals work “after hours” too.

most professionals answer emails after 4pm

Are you claiming teachers don’t?
I don’t get a moment during the school day to answer emails, so they pile up. I respond to ALL emails at home each night. (You do realize I’m teaching all day? That I’m not sitting at my desk on my computer?)

our teachers don’t. They let them all sit overnight and answer them at 9am during morning meeting. By then the homework can’t be worked on!

Boo hoo teachers don't have to answer your night time emails. If it's homework and you let teachers know your child struggled they will work with the child. STOP! 24 hours to reply just like in the private sector.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The 3% raise is frustrating because the senior leadership team is expanding in 2023-24 and they have also promoted themselves and received a larger than 3% raise (but they will now also receive 3% raise). Flattened the organization, net neutral, more efficient.

Where do you see senior leadership expanding and where do you see that they got a larger raise?

There is an updated org chart on the website. They are expanding teams at Gatehouse left and right, but not in areas that actually help teachers do their job more effectively. Expanding the exec positions and adding people in areas like Get2Green does nothing for kids and teachers in classrooms. It just leads to more surveys for teachers to fill out.

Sorry, I don’t see a new one. Would you mind sharing the link? I didn’t think any changes were announced and I am eager to see what Reid proposed. There is a lot of room for change at Gatehouse and I was guessing she would make announcements when school ends.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Teachers do get 2 months off. It is unique.

And winter break and spring break and many holidays. It’s not fair to compare salaries without taking that into account. And most professionals work “after hours” too.

most professionals answer emails after 4pm

Are you claiming teachers don’t?
I don’t get a moment during the school day to answer emails, so they pile up. I respond to ALL emails at home each night. (You do realize I’m teaching all day? That I’m not sitting at my desk on my computer?)

our teachers don’t. They let them all sit overnight and answer them at 9am during morning meeting. By then the homework can’t be worked on!

I’m the PP. I respond to emails each night, but I’m rather disgusted by your reply.

I have no work/life balance. I work 60-65 hours a week. I take from my OWN family to answer those emails. You are upset at your teachers for waiting a whole 14-16 hours to respond to you? Perhaps they are doing what I should be doing: feeding their own family, helping their own kids with homework, walking their dogs, etc.

Your sense of entitlement to a teacher’s off-hours makes me want to stop responding at night. I don’t get paid a enough for you to expect me to be on-call at all hours.

[Anonymous]

It really doesn't matter what anyone thinks about teacher pay, hours, vacation, etc. Teachers are leaving and not enough new teachers are entering the field. There are very serious shortages in certain areas, subject and locations. Pay is part of why teachers are leaving, especially in some states where COL is high or pay is still very low. But there are other reasons teachers are leaving. I don't really see it as a solvable issue, at least not in terms of pay raising our way out of this. I also don't think conditions are going to improve. But individually and collectively, teachers have the power to leave. And they are. What happens next in public schools is anyone's guess.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, people need to stop comparing. The reality is teachers are leaving. Supply is low. Teaching is a high stress job. If you want teachers demands need to decrease and pay needs to increase. There are NO resumes coming in. So unless you are ok with random subs for your kid, parents need to really start understanding the job of a teacher in 2023 and why teachers should be paid way more for what they do.

The comparison game is always going to exist because teachers whine about how hard they have it.

Yes because we have to deal with entitled parents and children like you and yours.

And I have to deal with entitled clients so what’s the difference?

I suspect the pay…and do you have 150 clients?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Teachers do get 2 months off. It is unique.

And winter break and spring break and many holidays. It’s not fair to compare salaries without taking that into account. And most professionals work “after hours” too.

most professionals answer emails after 4pm

Are you claiming teachers don’t?
I don’t get a moment during the school day to answer emails, so they pile up. I respond to ALL emails at home each night. (You do realize I’m teaching all day? That I’m not sitting at my desk on my computer?)

our teachers don’t. They let them all sit overnight and answer them at 9am during morning meeting. By then the homework can’t be worked on!

I respond to the respectful parents at night, the others can wait until the next day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The 3% raise is frustrating because the senior leadership team is expanding in 2023-24 and they have also promoted themselves and received a larger than 3% raise (but they will now also receive 3% raise). Flattened the organization, net neutral, more efficient.

Where do you see senior leadership expanding and where do you see that they got a larger raise?

There is an updated org chart on the website. They are expanding teams at Gatehouse left and right, but not in areas that actually help teachers do their job more effectively. Expanding the exec positions and adding people in areas like Get2Green does nothing for kids and teachers in classrooms. It just leads to more surveys for teachers to fill out.

Wasn’t Get2Green Elaine Tholen’s baby?

That woman was such a lying fraud. Claimed to be an environmentalist but was fine with moving kids living further away from Langley there just so no kids from apartments living closer to Langley ever stepped foot in her rich-kid school.

That’s what we get from local Democrats - HYPOCRISY!

[Anonymous]

Teachers should feel grateful for 3% plus step increases. It is in line with the value that they add to society right now.