CVS Sangamore

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Listen to all of you fools hyping each other up over your armchair theories!

The reality is that the crime was over in mere seconds and the police can’t always get to places that fast. Police also prioritize life threatening situations like domestic violence, vehicle accidents, assaults and fentanyl. The MoCo police are not just ignoring crime despite the ignorant crap spewed here daily.


This. I don't blame police. Theft under $1,500 is a misdemeanor in MD. No weapons were used, and no one was hurt. The perps left. This is not considered a "priority" call because it's a misdemeanor theft of property with no injuries. Meanwhile, they did have a priority call (suicidal teen) where life was at risk.

And let's say they were caught. Will the prosecutor actually press charges? Will they actually get locked up? Not over a misdemeanor theft charge.

Then, how would you feel as a cop if Council members want to do things like limit police's ability to perform traffic stops, like Jawando and Mink propose:
https://montgomeryperspective.com/2023/02/24/jawando-and-mink-introduce-bill-to-limit-traffic-stops/

Traffic stops are a great way to get guns and drugs off the street. Jawando claims too many people of certain races are getting arrested due to this... without ever commenting about if these arrests were warranted (they were, or MCPD would be sued for false arrest).

Yes, there is a lack of diversity and equity in who police arrest, but that's because there's a lack of equity and diversity in who commits crimes. Maybe we should teach elderly Asian females how to hotwire a car!


My suspicion is that a lot more than $1500 worth of inventory was taken in those bags.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Apparently MoCo Police refused to come to the store. CVS employees were still waiting for 45 minutes, as “no units available.”

WTF is happening with the police that they had more pressing business?


Like most local governments around here, MoCo government has been captured by soft-on-crime zealots. Not going to change anytime soon, and this is the result. Brazen crime tolerated, I’d say affirmatively welcomed, by the authorities in formerly safe areas. Watch your back, everyone. No one is coming to stop this, and it’s only going to get worse.


If this is true, then what are police doing while they are at work & collecting a paycheck?


They are following the policies made by the MoCo authorities. The decision to tolerate crime and disorder of this sort is a policy choice. Other choices could be made, but they won’t be made by the current slate of elected officials.


It is so refreshing to find others on DCUM who understand the real problem: the council.

We can’t fault the police. The council wants fewer police (source: Reimagining Public Safety report) and that’s exactly what we getting. Now that the council realized their efforts were misguided, they literally can’t pay people to sign up. The council made this recruitment mess.

And current police? The people complaining that police don’t show up simply don’t get it. MCPD is severely understaffed! Calls are up and there are fewer police to respond. Again: that’s on the council.

You want laws enforced? Once again, look to the council. They are currently deciding whether police can even pull people over for low-level offenses. Don’t get angry at officers when you see them “ignoring” safety issues. That’s on… you guessed it… the council.

The fact we have anybody left willing to be part of MCPD is amazing.
Anonymous
If we had any candidates who were unabashedly about reducing crime, and made it the primary focus of their campaign, I think they would win elections. The problem is that candidates with that message tend to prioritize other issues that make them seem like nutjobs.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Maybe CVS and all retailers should just be locked and individual customers be buzzed in at manager discretion.

My local goldsmith/jewelry/pawn shop does this. What a world!


Something will have to give, or they will eventually close.

I was in the downtown Bethesda (near the new Marriott HQ on Wisconsin) yesterday afternoon for prescriptions.

I went down the detergent aisle to get some Tide. The bottles were all locked in wire, attached to the shelves, and the pods were locked on a post. You needed an associate (or tools I guess) for any. Some may recall months ago that an alleged shop-lifter allegedly stabbed a CVS associate who tried to stop this person who then ran into the East Bethesda neighborhood.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Overall crime is down. Look at the data.


12 carjackings in the first 3 months o f this year, just in Wheaton:

https://moco360.media/2023/03/17/12-carjackings-and-a-shooting-at-wheaton-mall-have-residents-fearful/

So last year it was even higher then?


Are you under the impression that crime levels are based purely on carjackings?

Let me prove it to you.

Montgomery county crime rate per 100,000 people:

2020: 1,571.5
2010: 2,293.7
2000: 3,153.9
1990: 4,027.5
1980: 5,482.4


Source, and 2021 and 2022 data?

The word was shut down in 2020 so no surprise crime went down during a lockdown.

Most peopel care about violent crimes like carjackings, robberies, and homiciides. How are those doing 2023 vs 2022?


https://data.montgomerycountymd.gov/Public-Safety/Crime/icn6-v9z3

Shouldn’t you already know the answers to your questions before claiming that the cause is Elrich? Elrich was executive for the some of the years that I posted and yet crime went down. MoCo is far more progressive over the last decade than the 1980s yet crime is a fraction of what it was back then. The data clearly shows that the cause of recent crime is about more than progressive politics. You guys always seem to ignore the truth. Always moving goalposts.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Apparently MoCo Police refused to come to the store. CVS employees were still waiting for 45 minutes, as “no units available.”

WTF is happening with the police that they had more pressing business?


Like most local governments around here, MoCo government has been captured by soft-on-crime zealots. Not going to change anytime soon, and this is the result. Brazen crime tolerated, I’d say affirmatively welcomed, by the authorities in formerly safe areas. Watch your back, everyone. No one is coming to stop this, and it’s only going to get worse.


If this is true, then what are police doing while they are at work & collecting a paycheck?


They are following the policies made by the MoCo authorities. The decision to tolerate crime and disorder of this sort is a policy choice. Other choices could be made, but they won’t be made by the current slate of elected officials.


It is so refreshing to find others on DCUM who understand the real problem: the council.

We can’t fault the police. The council wants fewer police (source: Reimagining Public Safety report) and that’s exactly what we getting. Now that the council realized their efforts were misguided, they literally can’t pay people to sign up. The council made this recruitment mess.

And current police? The people complaining that police don’t show up simply don’t get it. MCPD is severely understaffed! Calls are up and there are fewer police to respond. Again: that’s on the council.

You want laws enforced? Once again, look to the council. They are currently deciding whether police can even pull people over for low-level offenses. Don’t get angry at officers when you see them “ignoring” safety issues. That’s on… you guessed it… the council.

The fact we have anybody left willing to be part of MCPD is amazing.


Preventing police from wasting time on traffic enforcement is a direct action to focus limited resources towards violent crime. You are part of tue problem and not being serious about keeping our community safe.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Apparently MoCo Police refused to come to the store. CVS employees were still waiting for 45 minutes, as “no units available.”

WTF is happening with the police that they had more pressing business?


Like most local governments around here, MoCo government has been captured by soft-on-crime zealots. Not going to change anytime soon, and this is the result. Brazen crime tolerated, I’d say affirmatively welcomed, by the authorities in formerly safe areas. Watch your back, everyone. No one is coming to stop this, and it’s only going to get worse.


If this is true, then what are police doing while they are at work & collecting a paycheck?


They are following the policies made by the MoCo authorities. The decision to tolerate crime and disorder of this sort is a policy choice. Other choices could be made, but they won’t be made by the current slate of elected officials.


It is so refreshing to find others on DCUM who understand the real problem: the council.

We can’t fault the police. The council wants fewer police (source: Reimagining Public Safety report) and that’s exactly what we getting. Now that the council realized their efforts were misguided, they literally can’t pay people to sign up. The council made this recruitment mess.

And current police? The people complaining that police don’t show up simply don’t get it. MCPD is severely understaffed! Calls are up and there are fewer police to respond. Again: that’s on the council.

You want laws enforced? Once again, look to the council. They are currently deciding whether police can even pull people over for low-level offenses. Don’t get angry at officers when you see them “ignoring” safety issues. That’s on… you guessed it… the council.

The fact we have anybody left willing to be part of MCPD is amazing.


To me it’s clear that 1) there is a problem; and 2) the source of the problem is something more complicated perhaps even more basic than saying it’s council policies or police staffing levels.

There were never enough police to stop every shoplifter, it’s just that people didn’t try shoplifting on this scale before.

It’s like hedge capitalism has come to petty crime and once people aren’t following the basic rules of society voluntarily it’s going to be very hard to force them to.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Overall crime is down. Look at the data.


12 carjackings in the first 3 months o f this year, just in Wheaton:

https://moco360.media/2023/03/17/12-carjackings-and-a-shooting-at-wheaton-mall-have-residents-fearful/

So last year it was even higher then?


Are you under the impression that crime levels are based purely on carjackings?

Let me prove it to you.

Montgomery county crime rate per 100,000 people:

2020: 1,571.5
2010: 2,293.7
2000: 3,153.9
1990: 4,027.5
1980: 5,482.4


Source, and 2021 and 2022 data?

The word was shut down in 2020 so no surprise crime went down during a lockdown.

Most peopel care about violent crimes like carjackings, robberies, and homiciides. How are those doing 2023 vs 2022?


https://data.montgomerycountymd.gov/Public-Safety/Crime/icn6-v9z3

Shouldn’t you already know the answers to your questions before claiming that the cause is Elrich? Elrich was executive for the some of the years that I posted and yet crime went down. MoCo is far more progressive over the last decade than the 1980s yet crime is a fraction of what it was back then. The data clearly shows that the cause of recent crime is about more than progressive politics. You guys always seem to ignore the truth. Always moving goalposts.


I didn't live here in the 80s, but when was the last time the CVSs in Bethesda were robbed prior to this last year or two? Either they're just getting reported better, or they really are happenign more often.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Preventing police from wasting time on traffic enforcement is a direct action to focus limited resources towards violent crime. You are part of tue problem and not being serious about keeping our community safe.


It's not about redirecting resources. It's about racial equity.

Here is a a link to Jawando's bill:
https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/council/Resources/Files/agenda/col/2023/20230228/20230228_2B.pdf

And here is its stated purpose:

PURPOSE

The purpose of this bill is to promote fairness by reducing racial disparities that occur
during a traffic stop, promote safety, and reduce community trauma by limiting traffic stops,
improve community policing relations, and further the County’s Vision Zero goals.
Anonymous
It appears that morals and values are no longer taught in the home and children are no longer taught in the home about right and wrong.

Ultimately your local drug stores will close. They are closing in San Francisco, Chicago and New York City due to rampant theft.
Anonymous
The quality of life in cities will decline.

DC was a wasteland after the looting and riots during the 1960's.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Overall crime is down. Look at the data.


12 carjackings in the first 3 months o f this year, just in Wheaton:

https://moco360.media/2023/03/17/12-carjackings-and-a-shooting-at-wheaton-mall-have-residents-fearful/

So last year it was even higher then?


Are you under the impression that crime levels are based purely on carjackings?

Let me prove it to you.

Montgomery county crime rate per 100,000 people:

2020: 1,571.5
2010: 2,293.7
2000: 3,153.9
1990: 4,027.5
1980: 5,482.4


Source, and 2021 and 2022 data?

The word was shut down in 2020 so no surprise crime went down during a lockdown.

Most peopel care about violent crimes like carjackings, robberies, and homiciides. How are those doing 2023 vs 2022?


https://data.montgomerycountymd.gov/Public-Safety/Crime/icn6-v9z3

Shouldn’t you already know the answers to your questions before claiming that the cause is Elrich? Elrich was executive for the some of the years that I posted and yet crime went down. MoCo is far more progressive over the last decade than the 1980s yet crime is a fraction of what it was back then. The data clearly shows that the cause of recent crime is about more than progressive politics. You guys always seem to ignore the truth. Always moving goalposts.


I didn't live here in the 80s, but when was the last time the CVSs in Bethesda were robbed prior to this last year or two? Either they're just getting reported better, or they really are happenign more often.


I did live here in the 80s. There was certainly less crime which is likely true in many areas. But, I do vividly recall the Shell station on River Rd getting robbed and they killed the clerk (that was my gas station). That was very late 80's or early 90's. Also about 10 years ago the CVS on Arlington was robbed and the robbers caught outside. I recall there was video of them being cuffed outside the store on Arlington Blvd. Going way back to the 70s there were two cops killed near Montgomery Mall where the 270 spur meets Democracy. So not unheard of in the past, but perhaps less frequent.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:The proposed FY24 budget, that will raise our property taxes about 10%, includes no increase in staffing of police officers out on the street:
https://montgomeryperspective.com/2023/03/22/is-elrich-hiring-more-cops/

Spending will go up, but basically at the same rate as other departments in the county, to keep up with inflation.


Check out how much they’re doubling the tax on real estate sales and buys!

As if the 5-6% REALTOR fee wasn’t bad enough for never leaving your house, now MoCo wants a bigger piece during interest rates tripling in 9 months time from 2.5% to 6.5%+++
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Maybe CVS and all retailers should just be locked and individual customers be buzzed in at manager discretion.

My local goldsmith/jewelry/pawn shop does this. What a world!


Exactly.
Let’s turn this joint into the favela convenience store in Brazil. Ak47s too.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Maybe CVS and all retailers should just be locked and individual customers be buzzed in at manager discretion.

My local goldsmith/jewelry/pawn shop does this. What a world!


The discrimination claims will come in on day 1, after a law-abiding young man wearing a hoodie and a face mask is denied entry.


Dress codes matter, don’t wear that.
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