FL universities

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Religous schools can teach dogma (see creationism)that is out of the mainstream of academia.

Public schools should not.

It is IRONIC that conservatives say they want government out of their lives, yet here they are DICTATING what is taught in school, what doctors can discuss with patients, etc.

But isn't their goal exactly that, to remove the teaching of dogma (ideology, race essentialism, etc.) from public schools? Maybe you don't recognize your own dogmas as dogmas.

I am sorry, but teaching creationism isn't science. Ignoring evolution is ignoring science.

No one except the fundamentlaists are interest in "dogma".

Teaching about US Histpry and the role of race is not "CRT" but that isn't how CRT is defined when you talk to the average 2020's Republican.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What happens to PhD programs in the humanities and social sciences if schools can no longer teach anything theoretical? I'm assuming that they dry up because you can't write a PhD thesis without engaging with theoretical concepts. Conservatives may say 'fine' but grad students teaching classes for cheap is part of what makes large universities with low tuition viable

Some of you seem to want to *deliberately* misunderstand this bill. Theoreticals can still be taught in major and elective classes - just not in gen ed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What happens to PhD programs in the humanities and social sciences if schools can no longer teach anything theoretical? I'm assuming that they dry up because you can't write a PhD thesis without engaging with theoretical concepts. Conservatives may say 'fine' but grad students teaching classes for cheap is part of what makes large universities with low tuition viable

Some of you seem to want to *deliberately* misunderstand this bill. Theoreticals can still be taught in major and elective classes - just not in gen ed.

How do you teach gen ed math without anything theoretical? All of math is theoretical

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If there bozos on Twitter are going to bring up nazis, they might as well take the time to spell check.

maybe address Hitler's quote, because it is exactly DiSantis's justification here.

No, it really isn’t. But you keep thinking Ron DeSantis is Adolf Hitler. The attempt at equivalency really is stunning and demonstrates a complete lack of situational awareness. That and a total lack of any actual understanding of history.

History is about understanding the past to better shape our future. When a state governor uses the exact same argument as Adoph Hitler to make a point about education, maybe we should believe him as he tells us who and what he is, rather than sweeping it under the rug as some sort of false equivalence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What happens to PhD programs in the humanities and social sciences if schools can no longer teach anything theoretical? I'm assuming that they dry up because you can't write a PhD thesis without engaging with theoretical concepts. Conservatives may say 'fine' but grad students teaching classes for cheap is part of what makes large universities with low tuition viable

Some of you seem to want to *deliberately* misunderstand this bill. Theoreticals can still be taught in major and elective classes - just not in gen ed.

How do you teach gen ed math without anything theoretical? All of math is theoretical

Stop being deliberately obtuse. You're not making the case you think you are.

Florida’s draft legislation also contains stipulations for general education courses, the classes students take as foundational work to compound studies in their chosen field.

It calls for colleges to reserve curricula “based on unproven, theoretical, or exploratory content” for elective or major-specific courses.

General education classes must not “suppress or distort significant historical events or include a curriculum that teaches identity politics.” Instead, the courses should, whenever applicable, “promote the philosophical underpinnings of Western civilization” and teach about key documents in U.S. history, like the U.S. Constitution, the bill states.

https://www.highereddive.com/news/a-new-florida-bill-would-reshape-public-higher-ed-to-ron-desantis-vision/643570/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Religous schools can teach dogma (see creationism)that is out of the mainstream of academia.

Public schools should not.

It is IRONIC that conservatives say they want government out of their lives, yet here they are DICTATING what is taught in school, what doctors can discuss with patients, etc.

But isn't their goal exactly that, to remove the teaching of dogma (ideology, race essentialism, etc.) from public schools? Maybe you don't recognize your own dogmas as dogmas.

I am sorry, but teaching creationism isn't science. Ignoring evolution is ignoring science.

No one except the fundamentlaists are interest in "dogma".

Teaching about US Histpry and the role of race is not "CRT" but that isn't how CRT is defined when you talk to the average 2020's Republican.

DP. Once again: who is proposing the teaching of creationism in public schools and/or universities? This strawman you've concocted is not a good look.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Religous schools can teach dogma (see creationism)that is out of the mainstream of academia.

Public schools should not.

It is IRONIC that conservatives say they want government out of their lives, yet here they are DICTATING what is taught in school, what doctors can discuss with patients, etc.

You seem confused. No one is proposing teaching creationism - or dogma of any kind - in public universities. Quite the opposite, in fact.

(c) General education core courses may not suppress or distort significant historical events or include a curriculum that teaches identity politics, such as Critical Race Theory, or defines American history as contrary to the creation of a new nation based on universal principles stated in the Declaration of Independence.

sounds like they are banning some views and replacing them with their own. Requiring history to have a certain viewpoint seems like dogma to me

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Religous schools can teach dogma (see creationism)that is out of the mainstream of academia.

Public schools should not.

It is IRONIC that conservatives say they want government out of their lives, yet here they are DICTATING what is taught in school, what doctors can discuss with patients, etc.

But isn't their goal exactly that, to remove the teaching of dogma (ideology, race essentialism, etc.) from public schools? Maybe you don't recognize your own dogmas as dogmas.

I am sorry, but teaching creationism isn't science. Ignoring evolution is ignoring science.

No one except the fundamentlaists are interest in "dogma".

Teaching about US Histpry and the role of race is not "CRT" but that isn't how CRT is defined when you talk to the average 2020's Republican.

DP. Once again: who is proposing the teaching of creationism in public schools and/or universities? This strawman you've concocted is not a good look.

Crickets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UF and FSU had unprecedented number of applicants this year. Maybe this new policy will help them to weed out students from north and will allow more instate students.

That's not going to happen, out of state kids pay a lot more. It's always been the way and it will stay that way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UF and FSU had unprecedented number of applicants this year. Maybe this new policy will help them to weed out students from north and will allow more instate students.

Nearly every large public university had an unprecedented number of applicants this year including those in the Northeast. That is not unique to Florida. By law, 90% of students in Florida's state universities must be Florida residents, so highly doubtful that this new policy will change the number of instate students. Students go to Florida for college for the awesome weather and the low OOS cost.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm seeing some strong reactions online to DeSantis's new rules for FL universities (ending gender studies majors, etc). Look it up if you haven't heard about this, then answer

1. How do the new rules affect how you'd feel about your kid going to university in FL?
2. Do you think there will be any effect on how employers view degrees from FL universities? What effect?

I am strongly encouraging DD not to apply to Florida universities even though one is highly ranked in her likely preferred major …

Between all the anti woke nonsense, politicizing legitimate fields of study and restricting women’s reproductive freedoms on top of being in hurricane paths that will only get worse with warming of the oceans - it is not a wise investment …

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm seeing some strong reactions online to DeSantis's new rules for FL universities (ending gender studies majors, etc). Look it up if you haven't heard about this, then answer

1. How do the new rules affect how you'd feel about your kid going to university in FL?
2. Do you think there will be any effect on how employers view degrees from FL universities? What effect?

I am strongly encouraging DD not to apply to Florida universities even though one is highly ranked in her likely preferred major …

Between all the anti woke nonsense, politicizing legitimate fields of study and restricting women’s reproductive freedoms on top of being in hurricane paths that will only get worse with warming of the oceans - it is not a wise investment …

No idea what future employers will think of Florida universities - probably depends on whether they are GOP or Dems.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If there bozos on Twitter are going to bring up nazis, they might as well take the time to spell check.

maybe address Hitler's quote, because it is exactly DiSantis's justification here.

No, it really isn’t. But you keep thinking Ron DeSantis is Adolf Hitler. The attempt at equivalency really is stunning and demonstrates a complete lack of situational awareness. That and a total lack of any actual understanding of history.

+1
This absurd comparison to Hitler is exactly the same garbage they trotted out with Trump. What a bunch of loons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm seeing some strong reactions online to DeSantis's new rules for FL universities (ending gender studies majors, etc). Look it up if you haven't heard about this, then answer

1. How do the new rules affect how you'd feel about your kid going to university in FL?
2. Do you think there will be any effect on how employers view degrees from FL universities? What effect?

I am strongly encouraging DD not to apply to Florida universities even though one is highly ranked in her likely preferred major …

Between all the anti woke nonsense, politicizing legitimate fields of study and restricting women’s reproductive freedoms on top of being in hurricane paths that will only get worse with warming of the oceans - it is not a wise investment …

No idea what future employers will think of Florida universities - probably depends on whether they are GOP or Dems.

Most wont give it a second thought.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm seeing some strong reactions online to DeSantis's new rules for FL universities (ending gender studies majors, etc). Look it up if you haven't heard about this, then answer

1. How do the new rules affect how you'd feel about your kid going to university in FL?
2. Do you think there will be any effect on how employers view degrees from FL universities? What effect?

I am strongly encouraging DD not to apply to Florida universities even though one is highly ranked in her likely preferred major …

Between all the anti woke nonsense, politicizing legitimate fields of study and restricting women’s reproductive freedoms on top of being in hurricane paths that will only get worse with warming of the oceans - it is not a wise investment …

No idea what future employers will think of Florida universities - probably depends on whether they are GOP or Dems.

Most wont give it a second thought.

Of course they won’t.

But here people think an interview might go like this.
“Oh wow, looks like you have just under 100 Linux kernel commits. That’s cool. Oh, but you went to UF where HB999 has nothing to do with the CISE department. I guess we can’t hire you anyways. Oh well.”