Nova vs MD real estate appreciation. Will MD ever catch up?

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Anonymous wrote:In the last 15 years or so NOVA has been the engine of job growth in the area. So much that areas far flung from DC like Loundon county has had significant growth and with it great property appreciation. MD on the other end seems to stagnate even under a republican governor. I'm not sure its going to improve under Wes Moore. I'm a long term MD resident and don't mean to diss it. But my property value in the most sought after area in Howard County has just stagnated over the last 15 years. Do you see hope for MD or is the gap just going to get wider?
What about MD turns off businesses?

LOL. You call Loudon car flung yet you live in Howard Co. I worked at the Census Bureau in Suitland, and many co-workers lived in Loudoun Co as well as WV and PA.

As far as RE, I agree with you. Maryland needs to bring in more businesses.

Loudon is far out and so is Howard. I say this and I'm in Frederick also equally far out. I think Loudon has had much better appreciation than Howard or Frederick though we've had decent appreciation in Frederick, imo.
Considering we're about an hour from DC and Baltimore, I'm not complaining.

Huh? Loudoun is right next to Fairfax and Tyson’s, which is a MAJOR job port. Two metro stations just opened there which go directly to those job locations.


Howard? No offense but it’s for people who want to commute to Baltimore, not DC. It’s almost like another region.

What Loudon has or Hoco does not have is not the question. It's about why Loudon is always included in the "NoVa" comparison to MD but HoCo never is even though HoCo is just as far from DC as Loudon is. And also, OP was asking about HoCo. But for some reason (insecurity), NoVa folks *always* have to compare NoVa (all four counties) to MoCo, even though, once again, the thread is not about MoCo.

It's like people who are insecure and went to some name brand school, and they have to mention that every chance they get. I think someone started a thread about how his wife name drops how she went to Harvard in every conversation. Only insecure people do that. This is like some of these NoVa posters.

Nobody is insecure. It is what it is. Loudoun (not Loudon, Jesus please learn to spell it, you look like a bozo) is a suburb of the Dulles Tech Corridor. Where an engineer or a programmer can easily pull in 200-300k. There is no need to commute and be dependent on DC.

Meanwhile, Howard county has no major job hubs around it. Hence, values are lower.

It’s not rocket science and nobody is insecure (except you…since you seem to keep bringing this up), it just is what it is. There’s a reason why Loudoun and Fairfax have the highest incomes in the nation.

NoVa posters like you are definitely insecure. Again, Loudon is just as far to DC as HoCo.

That would be relevant if all or even most of the area jobs were in DC.

The relevancy here is that the insecure NoVA posters always include Loudon county when comparing to MoCo but never includes HoCo, which is quite wealthy in its own right.

I agree with a PP, these NoVa posters who constantly compare have a huge chip on their shoulder. It's insecurity I tell you. Very much like Trump and how he has to brag about how smart he is, and how everyone says he's so smart, even the Generals. It's really pathetic and annoying.

Again, I'm not even originally from the DC area, but I find these comparisons by NoVa posters seriously tedious.

The local economy has shifted. The rt 7 corridor is one of he major job centers now. HoCo is still largely rural and exurban. It's analog in VA is closer to PWC or Fauqieur than Loudoun

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The fact is the DC suburbs of Maryland are just dying. Once the center of money and affluence, they now only offer bedroom communities to DC lawyers and lobbyists. NOVA does that too but also creates jobs. Crossing the river from DC you look at the Rosslyn or Pentagon City skyline and think you are entering the region's economic center. Add much higher safety levels and its no surprise that, outside of CC and Bethesda, the only people who live in Maryland suburbs are those that can't afford Fairfax, Arlington, Falls Church etc.

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Anonymous wrote:In the last 15 years or so NOVA has been the engine of job growth in the area. So much that areas far flung from DC like Loundon county has had significant growth and with it great property appreciation. MD on the other end seems to stagnate even under a republican governor. I'm not sure its going to improve under Wes Moore. I'm a long term MD resident and don't mean to diss it. But my property value in the most sought after area in Howard County has just stagnated over the last 15 years. Do you see hope for MD or is the gap just going to get wider?
What about MD turns off businesses?

LOL. You call Loudon car flung yet you live in Howard Co. I worked at the Census Bureau in Suitland, and many co-workers lived in Loudoun Co as well as WV and PA.

As far as RE, I agree with you. Maryland needs to bring in more businesses.

Loudon is far out and so is Howard. I say this and I'm in Frederick also equally far out. I think Loudon has had much better appreciation than Howard or Frederick though we've had decent appreciation in Frederick, imo.
Considering we're about an hour from DC and Baltimore, I'm not complaining.

Huh? Loudoun is right next to Fairfax and Tyson’s, which is a MAJOR job port. Two metro stations just opened there which go directly to those job locations.


Howard? No offense but it’s for people who want to commute to Baltimore, not DC. It’s almost like another region.

What Loudon has or Hoco does not have is not the question. It's about why Loudon is always included in the "NoVa" comparison to MD but HoCo never is even though HoCo is just as far from DC as Loudon is. And also, OP was asking about HoCo. But for some reason (insecurity), NoVa folks *always* have to compare NoVa (all four counties) to MoCo, even though, once again, the thread is not about MoCo.

It's like people who are insecure and went to some name brand school, and they have to mention that every chance they get. I think someone started a thread about how his wife name drops how she went to Harvard in every conversation. Only insecure people do that. This is like some of these NoVa posters.

Nobody is insecure. It is what it is. Loudoun (not Loudon, Jesus please learn to spell it, you look like a bozo) is a suburb of the Dulles Tech Corridor. Where an engineer or a programmer can easily pull in 200-300k. There is no need to commute and be dependent on DC.

Meanwhile, Howard county has no major job hubs around it. Hence, values are lower.

It’s not rocket science and nobody is insecure (except you…since you seem to keep bringing this up), it just is what it is. There’s a reason why Loudoun and Fairfax have the highest incomes in the nation.

NoVa posters like you are definitely insecure. Again, Loudon is just as far to DC as HoCo.

That would be relevant if all or even most of the area jobs were in DC.

The relevancy here is that the insecure NoVA posters always include Loudon county when comparing to MoCo but never includes HoCo, which is quite wealthy in its own right.

I agree with a PP, these NoVa posters who constantly compare have a huge chip on their shoulder. It's insecurity I tell you. Very much like Trump and how he has to brag about how smart he is, and how everyone says he's so smart, even the Generals. It's really pathetic and annoying.

Again, I'm not even originally from the DC area, but I find these comparisons by NoVa posters seriously tedious.

It's bad enough that you keep repeating yourself, but even worse that you still haven't figured out by now how to spell "Loudoun."

It makes the Maryland posters look not only insecure, but also illiterate.

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I was dragged kicking and screaming to NOVA for commute reasons. I was adamant I wanted to stay in MD forever. But 3 years later I realize it was a good decision. So many more job opportunities here for people like me (finance/product/tech). And lifestyle wise it’s not too bad actually.

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You guys acting like fools. Who gives a flying F where one lives. We all go to the same places, use the same roads, and even work together. How insecure you must be to feel like you need to outdo someone based on where they or you live. Get a life, get some friends, and don't worry about anyone else. Primarily talking to the Northern Virginians on this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:The fact is the DC suburbs of Maryland are just dying. Once the center of money and affluence, they now only offer bedroom communities to DC lawyers and lobbyists. NOVA does that too but also creates jobs. Crossing the river from DC you look at the Rosslyn or Pentagon City skyline and think you are entering the region's economic center. Add much higher safety levels and its no surprise that, outside of CC and Bethesda, the only people who live in Maryland suburbs are those that can't afford Fairfax, Arlington, Falls Church etc.

You keep writing this in so many threads, and I guess you're basing it on nothing more than the skyline. It's true that Virginia has lots of tall office buildings (with vacancy rates hovering around 25%), but I'm not sure why you think it is some sort of paragon of job growth. It isn't. Here is the data:

https://seidmaninstitute.com/job-growth/state/

So Virginia had 2.48% job growth in 2022, versus 1.54% for Maryland. Great, Virginia is better. But news flash, both states were below the national average. Virginia made headlines for getting amazon's hq2, but not sure what other job growth you really think is going on in Virginia vs Maryland. The data don't back you up.

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Anonymous wrote:The fact is the DC suburbs of Maryland are just dying. Once the center of money and affluence, they now only offer bedroom communities to DC lawyers and lobbyists. NOVA does that too but also creates jobs. Crossing the river from DC you look at the Rosslyn or Pentagon City skyline and think you are entering the region's economic center. Add much higher safety levels and its no surprise that, outside of CC and Bethesda, the only people who live in Maryland suburbs are those that can't afford Fairfax, Arlington, Falls Church etc.

Okay, Drama. We Marylanders are so poor! Maryland is dying!: https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/slideshows/10-wealthiest-states-in-america?onepage

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Anonymous wrote:The fact is the DC suburbs of Maryland are just dying. Once the center of money and affluence, they now only offer bedroom communities to DC lawyers and lobbyists. NOVA does that too but also creates jobs. Crossing the river from DC you look at the Rosslyn or Pentagon City skyline and think you are entering the region's economic center. Add much higher safety levels and its no surprise that, outside of CC and Bethesda, the only people who live in Maryland suburbs are those that can't afford Fairfax, Arlington, Falls Church etc.

You keep writing this in so many threads, and I guess you're basing it on nothing more than the skyline. It's true that Virginia has lots of tall office buildings (with vacancy rates hovering around 25%), but I'm not sure why you think it is some sort of paragon of job growth. It isn't. Here is the data:

https://seidmaninstitute.com/job-growth/state/

So Virginia had 2.48% job growth in 2022, versus 1.54% for Maryland. Great, Virginia is better. But news flash, both states were below the national average. Virginia made headlines for getting amazon's hq2, but not sure what other job growth you really think is going on in Virginia vs Maryland. The data don't back you up.

Also, I'll add that in 2021, MD's job growth was 3.87% versus 2.83% for Virginia. So it doesn't even appear that there is any consistent pattern.

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Why is Maryland the richest state in the country?

Why is DC embedded in and on Maryland side of the River?

Why do most of the DC billionaires live on the Maryland side of the River?

Why are all the best Private schools and country clubs on the Maryland side of the River?

Why does Maryland own the whole River and force Virginians to gawk at its beautiful great falls from land locked parks?

Why doesn’t Virginia have an academic community like Georgetown/Big Ten UMD/Navy Annapolis/John’s Hopkins all in a 25 mile radius?

Why are all the monuments and national attractions on the Maryland side of the River?

Why are 2 nfl teams, 2 Major League Baseball teams, and NBA and NHL team on the Maryland side of the River?

As a Virginian I am beside myself .. it’s totally unfair

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Anonymous wrote:In the last 15 years or so NOVA has been the engine of job growth in the area. So much that areas far flung from DC like Loundon county has had significant growth and with it great property appreciation. MD on the other end seems to stagnate even under a republican governor. I'm not sure its going to improve under Wes Moore. I'm a long term MD resident and don't mean to diss it. But my property value in the most sought after area in Howard County has just stagnated over the last 15 years. Do you see hope for MD or is the gap just going to get wider?
What about MD turns off businesses?

I don't know how your property value has stagnated- you're in Howard County - the richest county in MD and one of the richest in the nation. I live in Montgomery County and see no decreases in property values despite the economy and the interest rates which is crazy. And as far as jobs go, Columbia, MD was rated by WalletHub as the #2 best city for jobs after San Fran: https://wallethub.com/edu/best-cities-for-jobs/2173
Also, these are the 10 Wealthiest States in the U.S. in order with the wealthiest on top. Good luck on whatever you decide!

1. Maryland
2. Massachusetts
3. New Jersey
4. New Hampshire
5. California
6. Hawaii
7. Washington
8. Connecticut
9. Colorado
10. Virginia

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At least in DC, you can walk between all the big office buildings. In Virginia, everything is such a chaotic and unplanned mess that you have to get in your car to go anywhere, and you'll sit in bad traffic with endless stoplights. Tysons epitomizes this; just a total disaster. Like good luck walking to anything from the Cap One building. In contrast, if you're at the Marriott HQ in Bethesda, it's walkers paradise.

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Anonymous wrote:In the last 15 years or so NOVA has been the engine of job growth in the area. So much that areas far flung from DC like Loundon county has had significant growth and with it great property appreciation. MD on the other end seems to stagnate even under a republican governor. I'm not sure its going to improve under Wes Moore. I'm a long term MD resident and don't mean to diss it. But my property value in the most sought after area in Howard County has just stagnated over the last 15 years. Do you see hope for MD or is the gap just going to get wider?
What about MD turns off businesses?

LOL. You call Loudon car flung yet you live in Howard Co. I worked at the Census Bureau in Suitland, and many co-workers lived in Loudoun Co as well as WV and PA.

As far as RE, I agree with you. Maryland needs to bring in more businesses.

Loudon is far out and so is Howard. I say this and I'm in Frederick also equally far out. I think Loudon has had much better appreciation than Howard or Frederick though we've had decent appreciation in Frederick, imo.
Considering we're about an hour from DC and Baltimore, I'm not complaining.

Huh? Loudoun is right next to Fairfax and Tyson’s, which is a MAJOR job port. Two metro stations just opened there which go directly to those job locations.


Howard? No offense but it’s for people who want to commute to Baltimore, not DC. It’s almost like another region.

What Loudon has or Hoco does not have is not the question. It's about why Loudon is always included in the "NoVa" comparison to MD but HoCo never is even though HoCo is just as far from DC as Loudon is. And also, OP was asking about HoCo. But for some reason (insecurity), NoVa folks *always* have to compare NoVa (all four counties) to MoCo, even though, once again, the thread is not about MoCo.

It's like people who are insecure and went to some name brand school, and they have to mention that every chance they get. I think someone started a thread about how his wife name drops how she went to Harvard in every conversation. Only insecure people do that. This is like some of these NoVa posters.

Nobody is insecure. It is what it is. Loudoun (not Loudon, Jesus please learn to spell it, you look like a bozo) is a suburb of the Dulles Tech Corridor. Where an engineer or a programmer can easily pull in 200-300k. There is no need to commute and be dependent on DC.

Meanwhile, Howard county has no major job hubs around it. Hence, values are lower.

It’s not rocket science and nobody is insecure (except you…since you seem to keep bringing this up), it just is what it is. There’s a reason why Loudoun and Fairfax have the highest incomes in the nation.

NoVa posters like you are definitely insecure. Again, Loudon is just as far to DC as HoCo.

That would be relevant if all or even most of the area jobs were in DC.

The relevancy here is that the insecure NoVA posters always include Loudon county when comparing to MoCo but never includes HoCo, which is quite wealthy in its own right.

I agree with a PP, these NoVa posters who constantly compare have a huge chip on their shoulder. It's insecurity I tell you. Very much like Trump and how he has to brag about how smart he is, and how everyone says he's so smart, even the Generals. It's really pathetic and annoying.

Again, I'm not even originally from the DC area, but I find these comparisons by NoVa posters seriously tedious.

You’re the only one bringing up Loudoun County in this thread. I can tell because you keep spelling it wrong.

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When did you buy in Howard County, OP? If you bought recently or before the bubble burst in the early 2000s, then I understand why you don’t see the appreciation.

But HoCo is doing just fine. So is MD.

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Anonymous wrote:At least in DC, you can walk between all the big office buildings. In Virginia, everything is such a chaotic and unplanned mess that you have to get in your car to go anywhere, and you'll sit in bad traffic with endless stoplights. Tysons epitomizes this; just a total disaster. Like good luck walking to anything from the Cap One building. In contrast, if you're at the Marriott HQ in Bethesda, it's walkers paradise.

Now that nobody needs an office anymore… Maryland was smart not to clutter the landscape in a mishmash of concrete.

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Anonymous wrote:In the last 15 years or so NOVA has been the engine of job growth in the area. So much that areas far flung from DC like Loundon county has had significant growth and with it great property appreciation. MD on the other end seems to stagnate even under a republican governor. I'm not sure its going to improve under Wes Moore. I'm a long term MD resident and don't mean to diss it. But my property value in the most sought after area in Howard County has just stagnated over the last 15 years. Do you see hope for MD or is the gap just going to get wider?
What about MD turns off businesses?

LOL. You call Loudon car flung yet you live in Howard Co. I worked at the Census Bureau in Suitland, and many co-workers lived in Loudoun Co as well as WV and PA.

As far as RE, I agree with you. Maryland needs to bring in more businesses.

Loudon is far out and so is Howard. I say this and I'm in Frederick also equally far out. I think Loudon has had much better appreciation than Howard or Frederick though we've had decent appreciation in Frederick, imo.
Considering we're about an hour from DC and Baltimore, I'm not complaining.

Huh? Loudoun is right next to Fairfax and Tyson’s, which is a MAJOR job port. Two metro stations just opened there which go directly to those job locations.


Howard? No offense but it’s for people who want to commute to Baltimore, not DC. It’s almost like another region.

What Loudon has or Hoco does not have is not the question. It's about why Loudon is always included in the "NoVa" comparison to MD but HoCo never is even though HoCo is just as far from DC as Loudon is. And also, OP was asking about HoCo. But for some reason (insecurity), NoVa folks *always* have to compare NoVa (all four counties) to MoCo, even though, once again, the thread is not about MoCo.

It's like people who are insecure and went to some name brand school, and they have to mention that every chance they get. I think someone started a thread about how his wife name drops how she went to Harvard in every conversation. Only insecure people do that. This is like some of these NoVa posters.

Nobody is insecure. It is what it is. Loudoun (not Loudon, Jesus please learn to spell it, you look like a bozo) is a suburb of the Dulles Tech Corridor. Where an engineer or a programmer can easily pull in 200-300k. There is no need to commute and be dependent on DC.

Meanwhile, Howard county has no major job hubs around it. Hence, values are lower.

It’s not rocket science and nobody is insecure (except you…since you seem to keep bringing this up), it just is what it is. There’s a reason why Loudoun and Fairfax have the highest incomes in the nation.

NoVa posters like you are definitely insecure. Again, Loudon is just as far to DC as HoCo.

That would be relevant if all or even most of the area jobs were in DC.

The relevancy here is that the insecure NoVA posters always include Loudon county when comparing to MoCo but never includes HoCo, which is quite wealthy in its own right.

I agree with a PP, these NoVa posters who constantly compare have a huge chip on their shoulder. It's insecurity I tell you. Very much like Trump and how he has to brag about how smart he is, and how everyone says he's so smart, even the Generals. It's really pathetic and annoying.

Again, I'm not even originally from the DC area, but I find these comparisons by NoVa posters seriously tedious.

It's bad enough that you keep repeating yourself, but even worse that you still haven't figured out by now how to spell "Loudoun."

It makes the Maryland posters look not only insecure, but also illiterate.

I do it on purpose to keep needle you. And look, it works. LOL