The difference btw the AAP class and the General Ed class

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Anonymous wrote:I would be fine if they got rid of the Centers at MS and ES. I also think a better model would be to have an Advanced Math and Advanced LA class and have kids change classes based on their ability level in each area. Group Math and Science and LA and Social Studies but allow kids to switch classes based on their needs.

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Cluster for ES and MS

What about the schools that only have a handful of advanced math or LA kids? Their math class has 3 students and the one next door has 65?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I would be fine if they got rid of the Centers at MS and ES. I also think a better model would be to have an Advanced Math and Advanced LA class and have kids change classes based on their ability level in each area. Group Math and Science and LA and Social Studies but allow kids to switch classes based on their needs.

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Cluster for ES and MS

What about the schools that only have a handful of advanced math or LA kids? Their math class has 3 students and the one next door has 65?

I would be surprised to find a school that only had 3 kids eligible for Advanced Math. If a school does not have LLIV, then any child who qualifies for LIV and defers will receive Advanced Math automatically. The situation you are suggesting, 3 kids eligible for Advanced Math means that the school doesn't have LLIV. It also means that pretty much every LIV eligible kid has left for the Center. Most schools require a passed advanced on the SOL and a high enough iReady score for Advanced Math. So you are saying that all LIV eligible kids left for the Center and only 3 kids at the school passed advanced on the SOL and scored high enough on the iReady to qualify.

We are at a smaller ES, 4 classes per grade averaging 20 kids a class so 80 kids in each grade. Our school ends up with an average of 10 kids selected for LIV. I have no clue how many leave for the Center and how many stay at the base, we are using the cluster model for LIV. There are 2 classes in the each grade for Advanced Math. We are probably a MC school without a ton of serious interest in AAP, a fair number of parents keep their kids at the base school.

I struggle to where there are not a minimum of 15 kids who would be eligible for Advanced Math at any school in FCPS. Title 1 schools still have MC and UMC families at the school and there are smart kids who come from poor families.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I would be fine if they got rid of the Centers at MS and ES. I also think a better model would be to have an Advanced Math and Advanced LA class and have kids change classes based on their ability level in each area. Group Math and Science and LA and Social Studies but allow kids to switch classes based on their needs.

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Cluster for ES and MS

What about the schools that only have a handful of advanced math or LA kids? Their math class has 3 students and the one next door has 65?

And a class of 65 would be broken into 3 classes anyway because ES classes are supposed to be capped at 30. A class of 65 would be a class of 33 and 32 which puts both classes over the cap of 30. So you are looking at 3 classes of 20 kids. And I have difficulty believing that there are not 10-12 more kids among that 65 that would not be able to handle Advanced Math.

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Anonymous wrote:anecdotally, all of the room parents from K/1/2 at our school wound up getting their kids into AAP one way or another (some are guests in the local level IV).

we were curious who would step up for the other three classes this year since all prior room parents had kids in the same program-- guess what? those classes found room parents right off the bat, and the AAP class had to put out a special request for someone to be the room parent after no one answered the initial call.

Made me chuckle -- did people get what they want and then stop volunteering? I will note several came forward on the second request.

Oh look it's "PTA moms get preferential treatment for AAP" lady. No, they don't, that's not how this works. Step away from the wine, Sarah/Jessica/Katie.

They absolutely did at my ES. I remember distinctly talking to some of the "in" PTA mom types. One conversation specifically blew my mind, where a few of them were ticking of their list as to who they wanted for teachers next year for their kids and they were giving to to [principal's FIRST name] next week. They did. And they got what they asked for.

I'm curious about if you ever asked for anything? I'm not a PTA mom, my kid is below average, and I get the teachers for my kid that I ask for because I am vocal about my child's needs. I bet the PTA moms are, too. Are you??

Nope. I had one conversation -one- with the principal over placement one year but ultimately deferred to where they put DC. There were things I wanted for DC that the ES did give (like advance math tracking, certain teachers, etc.) but I never asked for them (even though I wanted to).

Parents need to advocate for their kids. In my experience, the school does what it can to accommodate requests because it reduces parent complaints and makes their lives easier.

We were the quite family until DD was in fourth. We were having a conversation on the sideline of a soccer game and came to the realization that we got the new or dud teachers because we where the easy going one who took pride in never bothering the school. For our younger kid we've made requests every year and she'd gotten the best teachers and level III and advanced math even though she in no way deserved it

[Anonymous]

This probably depends on the school. I just came back from volunteering at my kids' winter party today. It was the AAP class, and there were just as many parent volunteers as in the gen ed classrooms. My older child was gen ed and we never had a problem filling volunteer spots for her parties in pre-COVID years either.

What you are seeing is likely a socioeconomic breakdown at the school. At our ES, we are pretty homogeneous socioeconomically so there is no issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This probably depends on the school. I just came back from volunteering at my kids' winter party today. It was the AAP class, and there were just as many parent volunteers as in the gen ed classrooms. My older child was gen ed and we never had a problem filling volunteer spots for her parties in pre-COVID years either.

What you are seeing is likely a socioeconomic breakdown at the school. At our ES, we are pretty homogeneous socioeconomically so there is no issue.

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At our center school Gen Ed is higher-SES than AAP. Gen Ed draws from within the wealthy neighborhood boundaries. AAP has several Title I feeders.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:anecdotally, all of the room parents from K/1/2 at our school wound up getting their kids into AAP one way or another (some are guests in the local level IV).

we were curious who would step up for the other three classes this year since all prior room parents had kids in the same program-- guess what? those classes found room parents right off the bat, and the AAP class had to put out a special request for someone to be the room parent after no one answered the initial call.

Made me chuckle -- did people get what they want and then stop volunteering? I will note several came forward on the second request.

Oh look it's "PTA moms get preferential treatment for AAP" lady. No, they don't, that's not how this works. Step away from the wine, Sarah/Jessica/Katie.

They absolutely did at my ES. I remember distinctly talking to some of the "in" PTA mom types. One conversation specifically blew my mind, where a few of them were ticking of their list as to who they wanted for teachers next year for their kids and they were giving to to [principal's FIRST name] next week. They did. And they got what they asked for.

LOL at you being shocked at people using the principal's first name. Ours has a first name too and he always signs emails with his first name and everyone uses his first name when talking about him. So many people here read so much into things that are total bullshit.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:anecdotally, all of the room parents from K/1/2 at our school wound up getting their kids into AAP one way or another (some are guests in the local level IV).

we were curious who would step up for the other three classes this year since all prior room parents had kids in the same program-- guess what? those classes found room parents right off the bat, and the AAP class had to put out a special request for someone to be the room parent after no one answered the initial call.

Made me chuckle -- did people get what they want and then stop volunteering? I will note several came forward on the second request.

Oh look it's "PTA moms get preferential treatment for AAP" lady. No, they don't, that's not how this works. Step away from the wine, Sarah/Jessica/Katie.

They absolutely did at my ES. I remember distinctly talking to some of the "in" PTA mom types. One conversation specifically blew my mind, where a few of them were ticking of their list as to who they wanted for teachers next year for their kids and they were giving to to [principal's FIRST name] next week. They did. And they got what they asked for.

I'm curious about if you ever asked for anything? I'm not a PTA mom, my kid is below average, and I get the teachers for my kid that I ask for because I am vocal about my child's needs. I bet the PTA moms are, too. Are you??

Nope. I had one conversation -one- with the principal over placement one year but ultimately deferred to where they put DC. There were things I wanted for DC that the ES did give (like advance math tracking, certain teachers, etc.) but I never asked for them (even though I wanted to).

So you don't ask for things and then you complain when you don't get the things you didn't ask for. I see.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:anecdotally, all of the room parents from K/1/2 at our school wound up getting their kids into AAP one way or another (some are guests in the local level IV).

we were curious who would step up for the other three classes this year since all prior room parents had kids in the same program-- guess what? those classes found room parents right off the bat, and the AAP class had to put out a special request for someone to be the room parent after no one answered the initial call.

Made me chuckle -- did people get what they want and then stop volunteering? I will note several came forward on the second request.

Oh look it's "PTA moms get preferential treatment for AAP" lady. No, they don't, that's not how this works. Step away from the wine, Sarah/Jessica/Katie.

They absolutely did at my ES. I remember distinctly talking to some of the "in" PTA mom types. One conversation specifically blew my mind, where a few of them were ticking of their list as to who they wanted for teachers next year for their kids and they were giving to to [principal's FIRST name] next week. They did. And they got what they asked for.

LOL at you being shocked at people using the principal's first name. Ours has a first name too and he always signs emails with his first name and everyone uses his first name when talking about him. So many people here read so much into things that are total bullshit.

Calm down. That is one factor. I knew these women. I knew their relationships with the admin at our school. The first name basis was more than just the principal's name - there was familiarity there that other parents did not have. I'm not sure why you're even offering your ignorant opinion on a situation that you were not personally involved in and I was. The only one "reading" things into other things is the person who wasn't there - you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:anecdotally, all of the room parents from K/1/2 at our school wound up getting their kids into AAP one way or another (some are guests in the local level IV).

we were curious who would step up for the other three classes this year since all prior room parents had kids in the same program-- guess what? those classes found room parents right off the bat, and the AAP class had to put out a special request for someone to be the room parent after no one answered the initial call.

Made me chuckle -- did people get what they want and then stop volunteering? I will note several came forward on the second request.

Oh look it's "PTA moms get preferential treatment for AAP" lady. No, they don't, that's not how this works. Step away from the wine, Sarah/Jessica/Katie.

They absolutely did at my ES. I remember distinctly talking to some of the "in" PTA mom types. One conversation specifically blew my mind, where a few of them were ticking of their list as to who they wanted for teachers next year for their kids and they were giving to to [principal's FIRST name] next week. They did. And they got what they asked for.

LOL at you being shocked at people using the principal's first name. Ours has a first name too and he always signs emails with his first name and everyone uses his first name when talking about him. So many people here read so much into things that are total bullshit.

Calm down. That is one factor. I knew these women. I knew their relationships with the admin at our school. The first name basis was more than just the principal's name - there was familiarity there that other parents did not have. I'm not sure why you're even offering your ignorant opinion on a situation that you were not personally involved in and I was. The only one "reading" things into other things is the person who wasn't there - you.

Hoo boy! Someone has a chip on her shoulder and is a little jelly maybe? You're at a school with a hot young male principal? Mmmmhmmmm, girl!

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Anonymous wrote:OP is correct. AAP is not only a brain drain, taking all the best students out of the population of a school and classroom, leaving mediocre-poor lumped together behind. It's also a parent drain. I used to be volunteer coordinator for my child's ES, and when 3rd grade came and all the AAP kids left, so did all the volunteers. It's time to get rid of AAP. It's good for a handful of people, and bad for the rest of us.

Opinions like this reveal some of you for the a-holes you are. NEWSFLASH: some people CHOOSE not to send their kids to AAP. There are plenty of smart and motivated kids in "gen ed" classes. Mine was one of them. DC started honors classes in middle school (which our center school told us that all honors courses was essentially the AAP curriculum). DC is now in HS (10th) and all honors and AAP and killing it. Doing better than a lot of her AAP friends from ES.

Generalizing those not in AAP as mediocre and their parents . . . bunch of crap. The Gen Ed parent volunteers were just as involved -if not more so- at our ES. You smug hags need to check yourself.

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My kids had to attend a center school as Gen Ed students and it was horrible. The AAP kids actually thought they were superior - as did their parents. It was such a relief to get to middle school where they could take honors classes, and then high school where they could take honors and AP. They excelled. AAP center schools are truly the worst and I’m astounded they still exist.

Now, with every ES having LLIV, every school will be like this. How nice!

But at least the majority of the kids will be Gen Ed, and not AAP - as it is at a center.

AAP kids are not the majority at our center. It’s not even 50/50. More like 2/3 Gen Ed and 1/3 AAP.

Well they are at our center. Each grade has 3, sometimes 4 AAP classes and fewer Gen Ed. It's absurd.

Our center school has 4-5 AAP classes and 2 Gen Ed.

Yep. Same with ours. It is no fun to be a Gen Ed kid at the center.

I've also always found it astonishing that a school system which preaches "equity" constantly, allows certain kids (AAP) to choose whether or not they'd like to attend a center or remain at their base school. Meanwhile, Gen Ed kids get no such choice. They are stuck at their base school, regardless. So much for "equity."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This probably depends on the school. I just came back from volunteering at my kids' winter party today. It was the AAP class, and there were just as many parent volunteers as in the gen ed classrooms. My older child was gen ed and we never had a problem filling volunteer spots for her parties in pre-COVID years either.

What you are seeing is likely a socioeconomic breakdown at the school. At our ES, we are pretty homogeneous socioeconomically so there is no issue.

Exactly. At a higher socioeconomic school, there are tons of involved parents, regardless of GE or AAP.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:anecdotally, all of the room parents from K/1/2 at our school wound up getting their kids into AAP one way or another (some are guests in the local level IV).

we were curious who would step up for the other three classes this year since all prior room parents had kids in the same program-- guess what? those classes found room parents right off the bat, and the AAP class had to put out a special request for someone to be the room parent after no one answered the initial call.

Made me chuckle -- did people get what they want and then stop volunteering? I will note several came forward on the second request.

Oh look it's "PTA moms get preferential treatment for AAP" lady. No, they don't, that's not how this works. Step away from the wine, Sarah/Jessica/Katie.

They absolutely did at my ES. I remember distinctly talking to some of the "in" PTA mom types. One conversation specifically blew my mind, where a few of them were ticking of their list as to who they wanted for teachers next year for their kids and they were giving to to [principal's FIRST name] next week. They did. And they got what they asked for.

LOL at you being shocked at people using the principal's first name. Ours has a first name too and he always signs emails with his first name and everyone uses his first name when talking about him. So many people here read so much into things that are total bullshit.

Calm down. That is one factor. I knew these women. I knew their relationships with the admin at our school. The first name basis was more than just the principal's name - there was familiarity there that other parents did not have. I'm not sure why you're even offering your ignorant opinion on a situation that you were not personally involved in and I was. The only one "reading" things into other things is the person who wasn't there - you.

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DP. I know what you're talking about. Same thing at our school. The principal is quite chummy with several of the moms who volunteer for everything. And lo and behold, all of their children got into AAP, with some principal placed. I guess it's good to be connected!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:anecdotally, all of the room parents from K/1/2 at our school wound up getting their kids into AAP one way or another (some are guests in the local level IV).

we were curious who would step up for the other three classes this year since all prior room parents had kids in the same program-- guess what? those classes found room parents right off the bat, and the AAP class had to put out a special request for someone to be the room parent after no one answered the initial call.

Made me chuckle -- did people get what they want and then stop volunteering? I will note several came forward on the second request.

Oh look it's "PTA moms get preferential treatment for AAP" lady. No, they don't, that's not how this works. Step away from the wine, Sarah/Jessica/Katie.

They absolutely did at my ES. I remember distinctly talking to some of the "in" PTA mom types. One conversation specifically blew my mind, where a few of them were ticking of their list as to who they wanted for teachers next year for their kids and they were giving to to [principal's FIRST name] next week. They did. And they got what they asked for.

LOL at you being shocked at people using the principal's first name. Ours has a first name too and he always signs emails with his first name and everyone uses his first name when talking about him. So many people here read so much into things that are total bullshit.

wait. Is that a thing, not to use a principal’s first name? They use my first name. So, I always have used their first names.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:anecdotally, all of the room parents from K/1/2 at our school wound up getting their kids into AAP one way or another (some are guests in the local level IV).

we were curious who would step up for the other three classes this year since all prior room parents had kids in the same program-- guess what? those classes found room parents right off the bat, and the AAP class had to put out a special request for someone to be the room parent after no one answered the initial call.

Made me chuckle -- did people get what they want and then stop volunteering? I will note several came forward on the second request.

Oh look it's "PTA moms get preferential treatment for AAP" lady. No, they don't, that's not how this works. Step away from the wine, Sarah/Jessica/Katie.

They absolutely did at my ES. I remember distinctly talking to some of the "in" PTA mom types. One conversation specifically blew my mind, where a few of them were ticking of their list as to who they wanted for teachers next year for their kids and they were giving to to [principal's FIRST name] next week. They did. And they got what they asked for.

LOL at you being shocked at people using the principal's first name. Ours has a first name too and he always signs emails with his first name and everyone uses his first name when talking about him. So many people here read so much into things that are total bullshit.

Calm down. That is one factor. I knew these women. I knew their relationships with the admin at our school. The first name basis was more than just the principal's name - there was familiarity there that other parents did not have. I'm not sure why you're even offering your ignorant opinion on a situation that you were not personally involved in and I was. The only one "reading" things into other things is the person who wasn't there - you.

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DP. I know what you're talking about. Same thing at our school. The principal is quite chummy with several of the moms who volunteer for everything. And lo and behold, all of their children got into AAP, with some principal placed. I guess it's good to be connected!

So many jealous mommies.