A complete and total repudiation of all the people who bleat "calories in, calories out"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I've never known a single obese person who didn't get fat from overeating and poor lifestyle choices. And they all stay fat from their eating habits and poor lifestyle choices.

DP, and most of them refuse to admit that's the reason either because they don't want to change or they are in denial.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So…CICO works, but it’s too tough to implement for most people?

Exactly

When people are in controlled conditions where they eat prescribed food plans and it is not possible to deviate, they do lose weight.

So that people like OP find reality so difficult to accept.

Unfortunately denying reality doesn’t help anyone.

Not true. My obese aunt went into an inpatient program at Hopkins where she ate 800 calories a day for several weeks. We were all really excited for her, this was gonna be the thing that worked. Well, she didn’t lose weight at all, and was of course miserable on what is basically a starvation diet. The body works in strange ways.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So…CICO works, but it’s too tough to implement for most people?

Exactly

When people are in controlled conditions where they eat prescribed food plans and it is not possible to deviate, they do lose weight.

So that people like OP find reality so difficult to accept.

Unfortunately denying reality doesn’t help anyone.

Not true. My obese aunt went into an inpatient program at Hopkins where she ate 800 calories a day for several weeks. We were all really excited for her, this was gonna be the thing that worked. Well, she didn’t lose weight at all, and was of course miserable on what is basically a starvation diet. The body works in strange ways.

I call BS on her really only eating 800 calories. Even on my 600 lb life some of the people don't lose weight in the hospital because they are sneaking in food.

No fat people walked out of concentration camps.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So…CICO works, but it’s too tough to implement for most people?

Exactly

When people are in controlled conditions where they eat prescribed food plans and it is not possible to deviate, they do lose weight.

So that people like OP find reality so difficult to accept.

Unfortunately denying reality doesn’t help anyone.

Not true. My obese aunt went into an inpatient program at Hopkins where she ate 800 calories a day for several weeks. We were all really excited for her, this was gonna be the thing that worked. Well, she didn’t lose weight at all, and was of course miserable on what is basically a starvation diet. The body works in strange ways.

I call BS on her really only eating 800 calories. Even on my 600 lb life some of the people don't lose weight in the hospital because they are sneaking in food.

No fat people walked out of concentration camps.

People in concentration camps weren't fat to begin with, though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So…CICO works, but it’s too tough to implement for most people?

Exactly

When people are in controlled conditions where they eat prescribed food plans and it is not possible to deviate, they do lose weight.

So that people like OP find reality so difficult to accept.

Unfortunately denying reality doesn’t help anyone.

This still oversimplifies it (which I think various posters in this thread have said). Even if two people eat exactly the same "calories in", the "calories out" can vary dramatically based on body chemistry. That's why many people are successfully losing weight right now on one of the new medicines. My experience...I'm eating virtually the same (I know because I've done the app tracking thing for quite a while in this journey), but I'm now down 15 pounds in 3.5 weeks on one of the medicines.

Here's another tidbit from Harvard Health:

"Trillions of organisms live in your gut, and the predominant types may influence how many calories your body absorbs from food. Researchers have found that people who are naturally thin have different types of organisms living inside them than those who are overweight. "Taking the gut microbiota out of people who are lean and placing it in people who have overweight or obesity can result in weight shifts," says Dr. Stanford. This may occur because some types of organisms in the gut are able to break down and use more calories from certain foods than other types of organisms."

https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/stop-counting-calories

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So…CICO works, but it’s too tough to implement for most people?

Exactly

When people are in controlled conditions where they eat prescribed food plans and it is not possible to deviate, they do lose weight.

So that people like OP find reality so difficult to accept.

Unfortunately denying reality doesn’t help anyone.

Not true. My obese aunt went into an inpatient program at Hopkins where she ate 800 calories a day for several weeks. We were all really excited for her, this was gonna be the thing that worked. Well, she didn’t lose weight at all, and was of course miserable on what is basically a starvation diet. The body works in strange ways.

That’s not possible, unless she was obese because a massive tumor or something like that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So…CICO works, but it’s too tough to implement for most people?

Exactly

When people are in controlled conditions where they eat prescribed food plans and it is not possible to deviate, they do lose weight.

So that people like OP find reality so difficult to accept.

Unfortunately denying reality doesn’t help anyone.

Not true. My obese aunt went into an inpatient program at Hopkins where she ate 800 calories a day for several weeks. We were all really excited for her, this was gonna be the thing that worked. Well, she didn’t lose weight at all, and was of course miserable on what is basically a starvation diet. The body works in strange ways.

I call BS on her really only eating 800 calories. Even on my 600 lb life some of the people don't lose weight in the hospital because they are sneaking in food.

No fat people walked out of concentration camps.

People in concentration camps weren't fat to begin with, though.

And weren't eating GMOs or processed foods.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Watch my 600 lb Life and then let me know your thoughts. The people that make progress, short or long term follow is diet. And Dr. Now consistently calls people out for their BS excuses, that pretty much comes down to their lack of acknowledging CICO.

No one is denying this. The point is that it’s next to impossible to maintain a 1200 calorie diet when your body thinks it needs 10,000 to survive. Every system will work against you to increase your input and decrease your output. It’s possible for some very dedicated people to do it for a month or two to get approved for surgery because the stakes are extremely high. It’s not laziness when they fail.

It’s like telling a 150 pound woman who maintains her weight eating 2000 calories a day to eat 700 calories a day. Possible? Yes. But it would take extreme amounts of willpower to do for any length of time. Imagine how hungry you would be! How would it feel to be called lazy because you gave in to your hunger as you are hardwired to do?

That isn’t comparable. No one’s body is driving them to eat 10,000 calories per day for survival.

Yes, that was a silly example. Just like eating 1200 calories a day while dieting is silly and a great way to setup failure.

So far this thread is the same as all these threads. Anything other than agreeing that elaborate external factors are play is cruel.

All these lengthy articles, studies, and the like are trying to do is come up with another way of attacking this problem. That’s all great, but doing so by completely abandoning any sense of reality about how all these adults end up overweight or severely obese after decades of poor nutrition isn’t helping anybody.

It shouldn't have to be that way though. If people payed attention to their weight and if they are gaining, and started eating less once they are gain a small amount, then drastic and sustained calorie cuts would never be needed. The only way to fight obesity is to not let yourself become obese in the first place. No one gets to be 50+ pounds overweight overnight. It takes consuming too many calories, consistently, over a long period to become obese. It is so much easier to cut back 300-500 calories, if you are up 5-10 lbs. You will lose those pounds without huge effort. If you need to lose 50-100 lbs+, you have to cut back WAY more, and pretty much live just above starvation for an extended period of time. That isn't sustainable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So…CICO works, but it’s too tough to implement for most people?

Exactly

When people are in controlled conditions where they eat prescribed food plans and it is not possible to deviate, they do lose weight.

So that people like OP find reality so difficult to accept.

Unfortunately denying reality doesn’t help anyone.

Not true. My obese aunt went into an inpatient program at Hopkins where she ate 800 calories a day for several weeks. We were all really excited for her, this was gonna be the thing that worked. Well, she didn’t lose weight at all, and was of course miserable on what is basically a starvation diet. The body works in strange ways.

I call BS on her really only eating 800 calories. Even on my 600 lb life some of the people don't lose weight in the hospital because they are sneaking in food.

No fat people walked out of concentration camps.

People in concentration camps weren't fat to begin with, though.

And weren't eating GMOs or processed foods.

No wonder people who are overweigh can't lose weight; they want to believe they have no control over their lives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So…CICO works, but it’s too tough to implement for most people?

Exactly

When people are in controlled conditions where they eat prescribed food plans and it is not possible to deviate, they do lose weight.

So that people like OP find reality so difficult to accept.

Unfortunately denying reality doesn’t help anyone.

Not true. My obese aunt went into an inpatient program at Hopkins where she ate 800 calories a day for several weeks. We were all really excited for her, this was gonna be the thing that worked. Well, she didn’t lose weight at all, and was of course miserable on what is basically a starvation diet. The body works in strange ways.

I call BS on her really only eating 800 calories. Even on my 600 lb life some of the people don't lose weight in the hospital because they are sneaking in food.

No fat people walked out of concentration camps.

People in concentration camps weren't fat to begin with, though.

Most adults aren't fat to begin with either. 70% of adults are overweight, but as kids, that was likely <20%. Adults need to monitor their weight frequently and keep it steady- adjust intake as needed. Because so many adults just don't care and have let themselves go, their poor eating and lifestyle habits have trickled down to their kids. Now over 30% of kids are overweight too. Less than adults, but those that are already overweight in childhood and extremely likely to continue into obesity. Those that aren't overweight probably will be at some point as adults if they don't take responsibility for their health and eating.

[Anonymous]

People don't realize it, but most overweight people have a food addiction.

Folks, its ok to be hungry and go without food.

After a month and a half of daily fasting (20hrs or more), my cravings are nearly all gone. I crave mostly nutrition from fruits, veggies, Greek yogurt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People don't realize it, but most overweight people have a food addiction.

Folks, its ok to be hungry and go without food.

After a month and a half of daily fasting (20hrs or more), my cravings are nearly all gone. I crave mostly nutrition from fruits, veggies, Greek yogurt.

Love the self righteousness. Such a distasteful attitude.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People don't realize it, but most overweight people have a food addiction.

Folks, its ok to be hungry and go without food.

After a month and a half of daily fasting (20hrs or more), my cravings are nearly all gone. I crave mostly nutrition from fruits, veggies, Greek yogurt.

Love the self righteousness. Such a distasteful attitude.

Sorry, didn't mean to come off that way. I speak from experience with the food addiction though. Every year, its harder. The scale didn't start moving downward until I increased fasting length and ate high nutrition means.

If you get cravings for carbs, sugars, sweets, fats, salt... there is an addiction there regardless of if it fits in the calorie window.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People don't realize it, but most overweight people have a food addiction.

Folks, its ok to be hungry and go without food.

After a month and a half of daily fasting (20hrs or more), my cravings are nearly all gone. I crave mostly nutrition from fruits, veggies, Greek yogurt.

Disagree. The obese and morbidly obese, yes there likely is some food addiction going on. But the “overweight” can simply and easily be overweight from indulging or larger portions over time; weekly takeout, too many snacks, frequent evenings out with friends and some glasses of wine, large restaurant portions. Considering the new standard portion sizes and the abundance of high calorie foods that are super easy to access, it is very easy to consume too many calories. You have to make a conscious effort to eat what you burn. As little as few hundred extra calories per day over time will pack on the weight of you don’t watch and cut back as needed and not let the weight gain add up to an insurmountable number

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The top obesity researchers in the world:

The three-day meeting was infused with an implicit understanding of what obesity is not: a personal failing. No presenter argued that humans collectively lost willpower around the 1980s, when obesity rates took off, first in high-income countries‌, then in much of the rest of the world. Not a single scientist said our genes changed in that short time. Laziness, gluttony‌‌ and sloth were not referred to as obesity’s helpers. In stark contrast to a prevailing societal view of obesity, which assumes people have full control over their body size, they didn’t blame individuals for their condition, the same way we don’t blame people suffering from undernutrition challenges, like stunting and wasting.

The researchers instead referred to obesity as a complex, chronic condition, and they were meeting to get to the bottom of why humans have, collectively, grown larger over the past half century. To that end, they shared a range of mechanisms that might explain the global obesity surge. And their theories, however diverse, made one thing obvious: As long as we treat obesity as a personal responsibility issue, its prevalence is unlikely to decline.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/21/opinion/obesity-cause.html

You think this is news, OP?