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A complete and total repudiation of all the people who bleat "calories in, calories out"
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Anonymous
I think this is only partially true. For some, avoiding “junk” food is easy and requires no discipline. My husband and son turn it down all the time. I have a big sweet tooth but I am just fine eating a scoop of ice cream to satisfy it and then chucking it back in the freezer. For people like my stepmom, it’s a true compulsion and would require an enormous amount of discipline to do the same things that come easily for my husband. |
Anonymous
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people have gotten fatter because food has become cheaper and tastier. there is no mystery and not need for scientific gatherings to figure this one out. this also explains why people in the US got fat first, while those in poor countries lagged but got fat eventually.
i am a fatty myself and while I don't like being lectured on personal responsibility I don't find denying basic facts all that helpful either. calories in, calories out is true most of the time, for most people. a vast majority of people overestimates how much they are supposed to eat. another unhelpful approach is stressing fitness and exercise when those play a minor role in weight loss. |
Anonymous
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Something I heard about recently that I’ve wondered might be contributing to growing obesity rates (and my own waistline), is that food today is less nutritious than it used to be. In order to get the same amount of vitamins, minerals, etc., we have to eat more food today than in the past. Hypotheses for the cause seem to include depleted soils, new plant varieties, and increased CO2 levels causing plants to ripen faster, reducing the time they have to absorb nutrients from the soil, etc. Here are some links that explain it further:
https://www.bbc.com/future/bespoke/follow-the-food/why-modern-food-lost-its-nutrients/ https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/vanishing-nutrients/ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl_K2Ata6XY https://www.nationalgeographic.co.uk/environment-and-conservation/2022/05/fruits-and-vegetables-are-less-nutritious-than-they-used-to-be/amp |
Anonymous
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Folks, you're wasting your breath. It has little to do with those things.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17908526/ https://www.obesityaction.org/resources/obesity-due-to-a-virus-how-this-changes-the-game/ https://www.nature.com/articles/s41366-021-00805-6 https://www.wired.com/2016/12/mysterious-virus-cause-obesity/ |
Anonymous
| The use of the phrase CICO is an excellent way of discerning who is an ignoramus. It’s like a little “I am stupid” identification card. |
Anonymous
If this were why could me and my Asian best friend eat the same calories and I get fat while she doesn't gain a pound? Hell she ate more calories than me and didn't get fat, ever. |
Anonymous
This is it. We are programmed by evolution to pick the high calorie/high carb foods for quick fuel and for surviving long periods without food. Now that those foods are endlessly accessible at low prices with extremely little work to obtain, NOT picking them is hard, if not nearly impossible for many. You can’t close Pandora’s box. So now, not being overweight is often because of a conscious lifestyle decision to move and make good food choices and portion sizes. The default is being overweight. Majority of people are overweight now. It is because crappy food is more prevalent and less work |
Anonymous
You don’t know what she eats. Maybe she ate more at one meal, then didn’t eat the rest of the day. Maybe she is busy moving around all day. It is impossible to compare |
Anonymous
My assumption is that she burns more calories at rest. Lol at Asian best friend. 
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Anonymous
| I think that we can all agree that obesity is not conducive to long-term health. However, can we also all agree that obesity is NOT some kind of moral failing on the part of those who are obese? |
Anonymous
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Sitting at desks all day, driving everywhere, binge watching tv shows, and huge portion sizes of food we can have delivered to our door without moving more than ten feet. Junk food hits all the reward circuits like drugs, and moving your body sucks when you are fat. Yes, obesity is a huge mystery.
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Anonymous
I don’t know about “moral” failing. But are you saying the obesity has nothing to do with individual choices and people have zero control over what they eat and how much. The most significant factor in obesity is what you are putting in your body. |
Anonymous
You are wasting your breath. DCUM’s dim obesity moralists will never, ever let go of their misinformation. |
Anonymous
Yes 100%. We can do that but also face reality. The virus thing is new on me. Perhaps I had a virus. Or it was the alcohol, lack of sleep, tons of traveling, and high calorie food over a decade that created my problem. And one I made far far worse with poor life style management. It wasn’t easy to change, but it can be done by some. Maybe not all. But declaring this to be some insurmountable problem caused entirely by external factors is compete BS. |
Anonymous
| The drive to eat fatty, salty, tasty food is fundamental to most animals. You talk about "discipline"; might as well say "well just don't have sex" or, "well just don't sleep" or "just don't ever get angry or sad". When it comes to a biological entity, "discipline" only gets you so far. |