A complete and total repudiation of all the people who bleat "calories in, calories out"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This doesn’t exactly repúdiate calories in v. calories out.

Usually people who use that phrase are being ridiculously smug and dismissive. But that doesn’t change the fact that except in rare cases, wright gain means that we have consumed more calories than we burned (and the calories that we burned means what we burn at rest v what we burn when we move).

Of course, a lot goes into this. Some burn fewer calories when they rest. Some are born with naturally bigger bodies. Some have genetics that make them hungrier. Some have psychological problems (including those caused by fat-shaming) that make them turn to food for comfort. Some are going to be naturally more inclined to eat donuts. Some have not been taught the value of nutrition or how to obtain and cook healthier food. Some people just do not have the time or energy to exercise, prepare good food, and Change habits. Some people have health issues that make it impossible for them to eat a lot of healthy foods (that’s me!).

But calories in/calories out is a good rule of thumb.

Although, perhaps the better rule of thumb is to just do the best you can for your health and not worry about weight because you can still be healthy at any size.

You alluded to the public health issue, but I think it’s important to hit it square on - millions of people don’t have access to fresh food because they lack reliable transportation to a place where fresh food is sold. Fresh food is more expensive, less available, and takes knowledge and time to prepare. Processed food is high in calories, easy to obtain, inexpensive, shelf stable, and often marketed toward people who have ready access to it and not to foods that are more nutrient dense. Plus, you know, corporate agriculture, food lobby, politics…

It is not just about motivation or desire to “eat better.” There are massive systemic inequities at play, that have been at play for decades - several generations in some families.

These inequalities don’t apply to 95% of those posting on this forum.

Being healthy and making healthy choices takes work. Nobody said it’s easy. It’s harder for some than others. Kill the TV and use that time if necessary.

Or people can spend the time finding articles to justify how they are behaving.

[Anonymous]

The "calories in and calories out" concept does not contradict anything you posted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This doesn’t exactly repúdiate calories in v. calories out.

Usually people who use that phrase are being ridiculously smug and dismissive. But that doesn’t change the fact that except in rare cases, wright gain means that we have consumed more calories than we burned (and the calories that we burned means what we burn at rest v what we burn when we move).

Of course, a lot goes into this. Some burn fewer calories when they rest. Some are born with naturally bigger bodies. Some have genetics that make them hungrier. Some have psychological problems (including those caused by fat-shaming) that make them turn to food for comfort. Some are going to be naturally more inclined to eat donuts. Some have not been taught the value of nutrition or how to obtain and cook healthier food. Some people just do not have the time or energy to exercise, prepare good food, and Change habits. Some people have health issues that make it impossible for them to eat a lot of healthy foods (that’s me!).

But calories in/calories out is a good rule of thumb.

Although, perhaps the better rule of thumb is to just do the best you can for your health and not worry about weight because you can still be healthy at any size.

You alluded to the public health issue, but I think it’s important to hit it square on - millions of people don’t have access to fresh food because they lack reliable transportation to a place where fresh food is sold. Fresh food is more expensive, less available, and takes knowledge and time to prepare. Processed food is high in calories, easy to obtain, inexpensive, shelf stable, and often marketed toward people who have ready access to it and not to foods that are more nutrient dense. Plus, you know, corporate agriculture, food lobby, politics…

It is not just about motivation or desire to “eat better.” There are massive systemic inequities at play, that have been at play for decades - several generations in some families.

These inequalities don’t apply to 95% of those posting on this forum.

Being healthy and making healthy choices takes work. Nobody said it’s easy. It’s harder for some than others. Kill the TV and use that time if necessary.

Or people can spend the time finding articles to justify how they are behaving.

I’m pretty sure you don’t give a crap about the people who do suffer from those inequities, so why post at all?

[Anonymous]

It's no surprise to hear "it's complicated". it's the world we are living in, the time and food available to us, the ingredients used, working at a desk, on and on. We are animals who evolved one way and now our diet, lifestyle and environment have completely changed. Weight is one consequence of all of that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This doesn’t exactly repúdiate calories in v. calories out.

Usually people who use that phrase are being ridiculously smug and dismissive. But that doesn’t change the fact that except in rare cases, wright gain means that we have consumed more calories than we burned (and the calories that we burned means what we burn at rest v what we burn when we move).

Of course, a lot goes into this. Some burn fewer calories when they rest. Some are born with naturally bigger bodies. Some have genetics that make them hungrier. Some have psychological problems (including those caused by fat-shaming) that make them turn to food for comfort. Some are going to be naturally more inclined to eat donuts. Some have not been taught the value of nutrition or how to obtain and cook healthier food. Some people just do not have the time or energy to exercise, prepare good food, and Change habits. Some people have health issues that make it impossible for them to eat a lot of healthy foods (that’s me!).

But calories in/calories out is a good rule of thumb.

Although, perhaps the better rule of thumb is to just do the best you can for your health and not worry about weight because you can still be healthy at any size.

You alluded to the public health issue, but I think it’s important to hit it square on - millions of people don’t have access to fresh food because they lack reliable transportation to a place where fresh food is sold. Fresh food is more expensive, less available, and takes knowledge and time to prepare. Processed food is high in calories, easy to obtain, inexpensive, shelf stable, and often marketed toward people who have ready access to it and not to foods that are more nutrient dense. Plus, you know, corporate agriculture, food lobby, politics…

It is not just about motivation or desire to “eat better.” There are massive systemic inequities at play, that have been at play for decades - several generations in some families.

These inequalities don’t apply to 95% of those posting on this forum.

Being healthy and making healthy choices takes work. Nobody said it’s easy. It’s harder for some than others. Kill the TV and use that time if necessary.

Or people can spend the time finding articles to justify how they are behaving.

Fun fact: one major contributor to obesity is comments like yours that fat-shame people. If you don’t want to be part of the problem, be kinder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This doesn’t exactly repúdiate calories in v. calories out.

Usually people who use that phrase are being ridiculously smug and dismissive. But that doesn’t change the fact that except in rare cases, wright gain means that we have consumed more calories than we burned (and the calories that we burned means what we burn at rest v what we burn when we move).

Of course, a lot goes into this. Some burn fewer calories when they rest. Some are born with naturally bigger bodies. Some have genetics that make them hungrier. Some have psychological problems (including those caused by fat-shaming) that make them turn to food for comfort. Some are going to be naturally more inclined to eat donuts. Some have not been taught the value of nutrition or how to obtain and cook healthier food. Some people just do not have the time or energy to exercise, prepare good food, and Change habits. Some people have health issues that make it impossible for them to eat a lot of healthy foods (that’s me!).

But calories in/calories out is a good rule of thumb.

Although, perhaps the better rule of thumb is to just do the best you can for your health and not worry about weight because you can still be healthy at any size.

You alluded to the public health issue, but I think it’s important to hit it square on - millions of people don’t have access to fresh food because they lack reliable transportation to a place where fresh food is sold. Fresh food is more expensive, less available, and takes knowledge and time to prepare. Processed food is high in calories, easy to obtain, inexpensive, shelf stable, and often marketed toward people who have ready access to it and not to foods that are more nutrient dense. Plus, you know, corporate agriculture, food lobby, politics…

It is not just about motivation or desire to “eat better.” There are massive systemic inequities at play, that have been at play for decades - several generations in some families.

These inequalities don’t apply to 95% of those posting on this forum.

Being healthy and making healthy choices takes work. Nobody said it’s easy. It’s harder for some than others. Kill the TV and use that time if necessary.

Or people can spend the time finding articles to justify how they are behaving.

I’m pretty sure you don’t give a crap about the people who do suffer from those inequities, so why post at all?

Actually, I do. How much time have you spent volunteering in DC to help work on these problems? I’m guessing the number is zero hours. Ive spent plenty of time with food programs in DC, but I guess I don’t care.

Co-opting a real problem when you don’t have is really something else. That’s some real privilege there.

It is what it is. But find something else if you are going to make an excuse. People in food deserts really do have a problem that is very difficult to overcome.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This doesn’t exactly repúdiate calories in v. calories out.

Usually people who use that phrase are being ridiculously smug and dismissive. But that doesn’t change the fact that except in rare cases, wright gain means that we have consumed more calories than we burned (and the calories that we burned means what we burn at rest v what we burn when we move).

Of course, a lot goes into this. Some burn fewer calories when they rest. Some are born with naturally bigger bodies. Some have genetics that make them hungrier. Some have psychological problems (including those caused by fat-shaming) that make them turn to food for comfort. Some are going to be naturally more inclined to eat donuts. Some have not been taught the value of nutrition or how to obtain and cook healthier food. Some people just do not have the time or energy to exercise, prepare good food, and Change habits. Some people have health issues that make it impossible for them to eat a lot of healthy foods (that’s me!).

But calories in/calories out is a good rule of thumb.

Although, perhaps the better rule of thumb is to just do the best you can for your health and not worry about weight because you can still be healthy at any size.

You alluded to the public health issue, but I think it’s important to hit it square on - millions of people don’t have access to fresh food because they lack reliable transportation to a place where fresh food is sold. Fresh food is more expensive, less available, and takes knowledge and time to prepare. Processed food is high in calories, easy to obtain, inexpensive, shelf stable, and often marketed toward people who have ready access to it and not to foods that are more nutrient dense. Plus, you know, corporate agriculture, food lobby, politics…

It is not just about motivation or desire to “eat better.” There are massive systemic inequities at play, that have been at play for decades - several generations in some families.

These inequalities don’t apply to 95% of those posting on this forum.

Being healthy and making healthy choices takes work. Nobody said it’s easy. It’s harder for some than others. Kill the TV and use that time if necessary.

Or people can spend the time finding articles to justify how they are behaving.

Fun fact: one major contributor to obesity is comments like yours that fat-shame people. If you don’t want to be part of the problem, be kinder.

NP. I don’t see any fat shaming in the PP’s post. Just basic common sense. Which people will continue to ignore over and over and over again because some things are hard to do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This doesn’t exactly repúdiate calories in v. calories out.

Usually people who use that phrase are being ridiculously smug and dismissive. But that doesn’t change the fact that except in rare cases, wright gain means that we have consumed more calories than we burned (and the calories that we burned means what we burn at rest v what we burn when we move).

Of course, a lot goes into this. Some burn fewer calories when they rest. Some are born with naturally bigger bodies. Some have genetics that make them hungrier. Some have psychological problems (including those caused by fat-shaming) that make them turn to food for comfort. Some are going to be naturally more inclined to eat donuts. Some have not been taught the value of nutrition or how to obtain and cook healthier food. Some people just do not have the time or energy to exercise, prepare good food, and Change habits. Some people have health issues that make it impossible for them to eat a lot of healthy foods (that’s me!).

But calories in/calories out is a good rule of thumb.

Although, perhaps the better rule of thumb is to just do the best you can for your health and not worry about weight because you can still be healthy at any size.

You alluded to the public health issue, but I think it’s important to hit it square on - millions of people don’t have access to fresh food because they lack reliable transportation to a place where fresh food is sold. Fresh food is more expensive, less available, and takes knowledge and time to prepare. Processed food is high in calories, easy to obtain, inexpensive, shelf stable, and often marketed toward people who have ready access to it and not to foods that are more nutrient dense. Plus, you know, corporate agriculture, food lobby, politics…

It is not just about motivation or desire to “eat better.” There are massive systemic inequities at play, that have been at play for decades - several generations in some families.

These inequalities don’t apply to 95% of those posting on this forum.

Being healthy and making healthy choices takes work. Nobody said it’s easy. It’s harder for some than others. Kill the TV and use that time if necessary.

Or people can spend the time finding articles to justify how they are behaving.

Fun fact: one major contributor to obesity is comments like yours that fat-shame people. If you don’t want to be part of the problem, be kinder.

If we were all just nicer and didn't make obese people feel bad, people wouldn't be obese?

That is an interesting train of thought.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This doesn’t exactly repúdiate calories in v. calories out.

Usually people who use that phrase are being ridiculously smug and dismissive. But that doesn’t change the fact that except in rare cases, wright gain means that we have consumed more calories than we burned (and the calories that we burned means what we burn at rest v what we burn when we move).

Of course, a lot goes into this. Some burn fewer calories when they rest. Some are born with naturally bigger bodies. Some have genetics that make them hungrier. Some have psychological problems (including those caused by fat-shaming) that make them turn to food for comfort. Some are going to be naturally more inclined to eat donuts. Some have not been taught the value of nutrition or how to obtain and cook healthier food. Some people just do not have the time or energy to exercise, prepare good food, and Change habits. Some people have health issues that make it impossible for them to eat a lot of healthy foods (that’s me!).

But calories in/calories out is a good rule of thumb.

Although, perhaps the better rule of thumb is to just do the best you can for your health and not worry about weight because you can still be healthy at any size.

You alluded to the public health issue, but I think it’s important to hit it square on - millions of people don’t have access to fresh food because they lack reliable transportation to a place where fresh food is sold. Fresh food is more expensive, less available, and takes knowledge and time to prepare. Processed food is high in calories, easy to obtain, inexpensive, shelf stable, and often marketed toward people who have ready access to it and not to foods that are more nutrient dense. Plus, you know, corporate agriculture, food lobby, politics…

It is not just about motivation or desire to “eat better.” There are massive systemic inequities at play, that have been at play for decades - several generations in some families.

These inequalities don’t apply to 95% of those posting on this forum.

Being healthy and making healthy choices takes work. Nobody said it’s easy. It’s harder for some than others. Kill the TV and use that time if necessary.

Or people can spend the time finding articles to justify how they are behaving.

Fun fact: one major contributor to obesity is comments like yours that fat-shame people. If you don’t want to be part of the problem, be kinder.

If we were all just nicer and didn't make obese people feel bad, people wouldn't be obese?

That is an interesting train of thought.

People have just gotten more obese as the "fat acceptance" movement has gotten more popular. So I'm not buying it.

[Anonymous]

Anyone can see that we have gotten fatter as a society, and we aren't going to change a society-wide problem by telling individual fat people to "turn off the TV" or whatever PP said. We need societal solutions, like better food regulation and better-designed infrastructure that encourages walking and activity. But the fat-shamers on this board don't actually want obesity rates to improve, because then they wouldn't get to feel smug and superior about their superior willpower (even though it's more likely that they just got lucky with their genetics).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This doesn’t exactly repúdiate calories in v. calories out.

Usually people who use that phrase are being ridiculously smug and dismissive. But that doesn’t change the fact that except in rare cases, wright gain means that we have consumed more calories than we burned (and the calories that we burned means what we burn at rest v what we burn when we move).

Of course, a lot goes into this. Some burn fewer calories when they rest. Some are born with naturally bigger bodies. Some have genetics that make them hungrier. Some have psychological problems (including those caused by fat-shaming) that make them turn to food for comfort. Some are going to be naturally more inclined to eat donuts. Some have not been taught the value of nutrition or how to obtain and cook healthier food. Some people just do not have the time or energy to exercise, prepare good food, and Change habits. Some people have health issues that make it impossible for them to eat a lot of healthy foods (that’s me!).

But calories in/calories out is a good rule of thumb.

Although, perhaps the better rule of thumb is to just do the best you can for your health and not worry about weight because you can still be healthy at any size.

You alluded to the public health issue, but I think it’s important to hit it square on - millions of people don’t have access to fresh food because they lack reliable transportation to a place where fresh food is sold. Fresh food is more expensive, less available, and takes knowledge and time to prepare. Processed food is high in calories, easy to obtain, inexpensive, shelf stable, and often marketed toward people who have ready access to it and not to foods that are more nutrient dense. Plus, you know, corporate agriculture, food lobby, politics…

It is not just about motivation or desire to “eat better.” There are massive systemic inequities at play, that have been at play for decades - several generations in some families.

These inequalities don’t apply to 95% of those posting on this forum.

Being healthy and making healthy choices takes work. Nobody said it’s easy. It’s harder for some than others. Kill the TV and use that time if necessary.

Or people can spend the time finding articles to justify how they are behaving.

Fun fact: one major contributor to obesity is comments like yours that fat-shame people. If you don’t want to be part of the problem, be kinder.

If we were all just nicer and didn't make obese people feel bad, people wouldn't be obese?

That is an interesting train of thought.

Oh come on. Don’t be catty. I know that you know that getting rid of something that contributes to something makes it go away.

Body shaming comments are a problem and yes, reducing them would have a positive impact on good lifestyle choices.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/01/health/fat-shaming-weight-stigma-wellness/index.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This doesn’t exactly repúdiate calories in v. calories out.

Usually people who use that phrase are being ridiculously smug and dismissive. But that doesn’t change the fact that except in rare cases, wright gain means that we have consumed more calories than we burned (and the calories that we burned means what we burn at rest v what we burn when we move).

Of course, a lot goes into this. Some burn fewer calories when they rest. Some are born with naturally bigger bodies. Some have genetics that make them hungrier. Some have psychological problems (including those caused by fat-shaming) that make them turn to food for comfort. Some are going to be naturally more inclined to eat donuts. Some have not been taught the value of nutrition or how to obtain and cook healthier food. Some people just do not have the time or energy to exercise, prepare good food, and Change habits. Some people have health issues that make it impossible for them to eat a lot of healthy foods (that’s me!).

But calories in/calories out is a good rule of thumb.

Although, perhaps the better rule of thumb is to just do the best you can for your health and not worry about weight because you can still be healthy at any size.

You alluded to the public health issue, but I think it’s important to hit it square on - millions of people don’t have access to fresh food because they lack reliable transportation to a place where fresh food is sold. Fresh food is more expensive, less available, and takes knowledge and time to prepare. Processed food is high in calories, easy to obtain, inexpensive, shelf stable, and often marketed toward people who have ready access to it and not to foods that are more nutrient dense. Plus, you know, corporate agriculture, food lobby, politics…

It is not just about motivation or desire to “eat better.” There are massive systemic inequities at play, that have been at play for decades - several generations in some families.

These inequalities don’t apply to 95% of those posting on this forum.

Being healthy and making healthy choices takes work. Nobody said it’s easy. It’s harder for some than others. Kill the TV and use that time if necessary.

Or people can spend the time finding articles to justify how they are behaving.

Seeing a headline that's on the front page of the NYT is hardly "spending time finding articles."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The "calories in and calories out" concept does not contradict anything you posted.

No it doesnt but it also doesnt cover ALL circumstances. And I think you are missing that every calorie doesnt mean the same in every body. It is too simple of an equation biochemically. For example, for people with insulin resistance, the cells dont uptake glucose well. So only a percentage of what you eat goes to your cells for energy and then the cells still say HEY WE NEED MORE GLUCOSE and the body starts telling you your hungry while packing away the rest.

Some people, like my stepdad, can eat 4000k a day. He isnt crazy active either. And 2000k of that is probably sweets. When he "diets" he is eating 2000-3000k calories, eating only 1 slice of pie versus 2-3.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So…CICO works, but it’s too tough to implement for most people?

Yes (DP here). I’m dietitian and have studied this topic for a long time. We’re programmed to want tasty high-calorie food. It’s possible to avoid it, but only with discipline and support that isn’t realistic for a lot of people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So…CICO works, but it’s too tough to implement for most people?

because behavior change is hard. I have a friend that I could tell walking an hour a day would make her live to 100 vs dying at 50 and she still probably wouldn't walk.

There is a lot tied up in how we eat, what we eat and how much we eat. Food is used for more than fuel. Food has also been manufactured to be more hyper palatable so people overeat.

Diets also fail because everyone want to lose the weight fast. So they pick overly restrictive diets that are simply not sustainable.