A complete and total repudiation of all the people who bleat "calories in, calories out"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am normally around 117, and have been between 110 and 123 most of my adult life, except when I was pregnant. I go out to eat a couple times a month, enjoy a latte here and there, and like to have a couple glasses of wine a few nights a week. I normally eat some eggs or oatmeal or a smoothie for breakfast, a salad with a nice portion of protein and a whole avocado for lunch and then some kind of meat and veggie for dinner

When the pandemic kicked off, I started snacking all day, drinking every night and then eating junk food. I quickly gained about 10 pounds. But how did that happen??? So mysterious….maybe it’s because of society???

Everyone’s a comedian when it comes to fat shaming. “I’m concerned for their health! What, it’s a joke!”

Ten pounds isn’t obesity. I bet you were able to lose it and smugly congratulated yourself for being awesome. A little extra weight is not what we’re talking about. You being a bit pudgy is not the same thing as the metabolic condition known as obesity.

A lot of people have these habits for years though; eating too much, eating junk, or a combo of both. Then when they are 50+lbs overweight and try to lose it is an issue. Obesity doesn’t happen overnight.

Right! Yeah I did lose it because I course corrected back to my normal lifestyle. But if I kept up like I was doing with the excess eating and drinking I would have gained a lot more than 10 pounds

[Anonymous]

At 121 lbs, it's definitely CICO for me. The specific CICO fluctuates throughout the year but I know how my body works.

My obese SIL? It's something way bigger than that. I mean, it's obviously because she consumes too much food. Why does she consume that much food? She's definitely not lazy or uneducated. There is something about her system that is different, whether that's physical or mental or most likely a combination.

I don't agree that CICO is incorrect across the board. It's simply not correct for everyone.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am normally around 117, and have been between 110 and 123 most of my adult life, except when I was pregnant. I go out to eat a couple times a month, enjoy a latte here and there, and like to have a couple glasses of wine a few nights a week. I normally eat some eggs or oatmeal or a smoothie for breakfast, a salad with a nice portion of protein and a whole avocado for lunch and then some kind of meat and veggie for dinner

When the pandemic kicked off, I started snacking all day, drinking every night and then eating junk food. I quickly gained about 10 pounds. But how did that happen??? So mysterious….maybe it’s because of society???

Everyone’s a comedian when it comes to fat shaming. “I’m concerned for their health! What, it’s a joke!”

Ten pounds isn’t obesity. I bet you were able to lose it and smugly congratulated yourself for being awesome. A little extra weight is not what we’re talking about. You being a bit pudgy is not the same thing as the metabolic condition known as obesity.

A lot of people have these habits for years though; eating too much, eating junk, or a combo of both. Then when they are 50+lbs overweight and try to lose it is an issue. Obesity doesn’t happen overnight.

but this isn't because CICO doesn't work. If I locked them in a room with a calorie restricted diet they would most definitely lose weight. My friends who can't lose weigh have lost quickly when on diets like Optiva (portioned food, sever calorie restriction). the issue is they gain it all back when they have to feed themselves because they have learned nothing and revert to old habits. Habit are difficult to change and many self medicate with food.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:At 121 lbs, it's definitely CICO for me. The specific CICO fluctuates throughout the year but I know how my body works.

My obese SIL? It's something way bigger than that. I mean, it's obviously because she consumes too much food. Why does she consume that much food? She's definitely not lazy or uneducated. There is something about her system that is different, whether that's physical or mental or most likely a combination.

I don't agree that CICO is incorrect across the board. It's simply not correct for everyone.

It is about CICO, largely. The problem is once so much extra weight accumulates from eating too many calories for a prolonged period of time, having a large enough calorie deficit for an equally prolonged amount of time to burn off all the extra accumulation of fat is really really hard to do. Most children are not overweight. Most adults are. So at some point in adulthood people are moving from heathy weight to overweight or obese bc they are eating too many calories and don’t cut back while the accumulated weight is a small number. If every heathy weight adult weighed themselves weekly and started to cut back intake and evaluate food choices once scale crept up 10 lbs or when their pants don’t fit anymore, we would have way less obese people. But people just let it go and continue on

[Anonymous]

Watch my 600 lb Life and then let me know your thoughts. The people that make progress, short or long term follow is diet. And Dr. Now consistently calls people out for their BS excuses, that pretty much comes down to their lack of acknowledging CICO.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Watch my 600 lb Life and then let me know your thoughts. The people that make progress, short or long term follow is diet. And Dr. Now consistently calls people out for their BS excuses, that pretty much comes down to their lack of acknowledging CICO.

Exactly! When they reduce calories they quickly lose a ton of weight. Sadly most end up going back to their old habits. Then he usually sets them up with a psychological to deal with why they eat. So many have had major trauma in their life that had lead to them using food to medicate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Watch my 600 lb Life and then let me know your thoughts. The people that make progress, short or long term follow is diet. And Dr. Now consistently calls people out for their BS excuses, that pretty much comes down to their lack of acknowledging CICO.

No one is denying this. The point is that it’s next to impossible to maintain a 1200 calorie diet when your body thinks it needs 10,000 to survive. Every system will work against you to increase your input and decrease your output. It’s possible for some very dedicated people to do it for a month or two to get approved for surgery because the stakes are extremely high. It’s not laziness when they fail.

It’s like telling a 150 pound woman who maintains her weight eating 2000 calories a day to eat 700 calories a day. Possible? Yes. But it would take extreme amounts of willpower to do for any length of time. Imagine how hungry you would be! How would it feel to be called lazy because you gave in to your hunger as you are hardwired to do?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Watch my 600 lb Life and then let me know your thoughts. The people that make progress, short or long term follow is diet. And Dr. Now consistently calls people out for their BS excuses, that pretty much comes down to their lack of acknowledging CICO.

No one is denying this. The point is that it’s next to impossible to maintain a 1200 calorie diet when your body thinks it needs 10,000 to survive. Every system will work against you to increase your input and decrease your output. It’s possible for some very dedicated people to do it for a month or two to get approved for surgery because the stakes are extremely high. It’s not laziness when they fail.

It’s like telling a 150 pound woman who maintains her weight eating 2000 calories a day to eat 700 calories a day. Possible? Yes. But it would take extreme amounts of willpower to do for any length of time. Imagine how hungry you would be! How would it feel to be called lazy because you gave in to your hunger as you are hardwired to do?

That isn’t comparable. No one’s body is driving them to eat 10,000 calories per day for survival.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Watch my 600 lb Life and then let me know your thoughts. The people that make progress, short or long term follow is diet. And Dr. Now consistently calls people out for their BS excuses, that pretty much comes down to their lack of acknowledging CICO.

No one is denying this. The point is that it’s next to impossible to maintain a 1200 calorie diet when your body thinks it needs 10,000 to survive. Every system will work against you to increase your input and decrease your output. It’s possible for some very dedicated people to do it for a month or two to get approved for surgery because the stakes are extremely high. It’s not laziness when they fail.

It’s like telling a 150 pound woman who maintains her weight eating 2000 calories a day to eat 700 calories a day. Possible? Yes. But it would take extreme amounts of willpower to do for any length of time. Imagine how hungry you would be! How would it feel to be called lazy because you gave in to your hunger as you are hardwired to do?

That isn’t comparable. No one’s body is driving them to eat 10,000 calories per day for survival.

Yes, that was a silly example. Just like eating 1200 calories a day while dieting is silly and a great way to setup failure.

So far this thread is the same as all these threads. Anything other than agreeing that elaborate external factors are play is cruel.

All these lengthy articles, studies, and the like are trying to do is come up with another way of attacking this problem. That’s all great, but doing so by completely abandoning any sense of reality about how all these adults end up overweight or severely obese after decades of poor nutrition isn’t helping anybody.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Watch my 600 lb Life and then let me know your thoughts. The people that make progress, short or long term follow is diet. And Dr. Now consistently calls people out for their BS excuses, that pretty much comes down to their lack of acknowledging CICO.

No one is denying this. The point is that it’s next to impossible to maintain a 1200 calorie diet when your body thinks it needs 10,000 to survive. Every system will work against you to increase your input and decrease your output. It’s possible for some very dedicated people to do it for a month or two to get approved for surgery because the stakes are extremely high. It’s not laziness when they fail.

It’s like telling a 150 pound woman who maintains her weight eating 2000 calories a day to eat 700 calories a day. Possible? Yes. But it would take extreme amounts of willpower to do for any length of time. Imagine how hungry you would be! How would it feel to be called lazy because you gave in to your hunger as you are hardwired to do?

That isn’t comparable. No one’s body is driving them to eat 10,000 calories per day for survival.

Yes, that was a silly example. Just like eating 1200 calories a day while dieting is silly and a great way to setup failure.

So far this thread is the same as all these threads. Anything other than agreeing that elaborate external factors are play is cruel.

All these lengthy articles, studies, and the like are trying to do is come up with another way of attacking this problem. That’s all great, but doing so by completely abandoning any sense of reality about how all these adults end up overweight or severely obese after decades of poor nutrition isn’t helping anybody.

Imagine thinking that eating 10k calories a day is somehow normal, and eating 1200 is crazy and difficult.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Watch my 600 lb Life and then let me know your thoughts. The people that make progress, short or long term follow is diet. And Dr. Now consistently calls people out for their BS excuses, that pretty much comes down to their lack of acknowledging CICO.

No one is denying this. The point is that it’s next to impossible to maintain a 1200 calorie diet when your body thinks it needs 10,000 to survive. Every system will work against you to increase your input and decrease your output. It’s possible for some very dedicated people to do it for a month or two to get approved for surgery because the stakes are extremely high. It’s not laziness when they fail.

It’s like telling a 150 pound woman who maintains her weight eating 2000 calories a day to eat 700 calories a day. Possible? Yes. But it would take extreme amounts of willpower to do for any length of time. Imagine how hungry you would be! How would it feel to be called lazy because you gave in to your hunger as you are hardwired to do?

That isn’t comparable. No one’s body is driving them to eat 10,000 calories per day for survival.

Yes, that was a silly example. Just like eating 1200 calories a day while dieting is silly and a great way to setup failure.

So far this thread is the same as all these threads. Anything other than agreeing that elaborate external factors are play is cruel.

All these lengthy articles, studies, and the like are trying to do is come up with another way of attacking this problem. That’s all great, but doing so by completely abandoning any sense of reality about how all these adults end up overweight or severely obese after decades of poor nutrition isn’t helping anybody.

Imagine thinking that eating 10k calories a day is somehow normal, and eating 1200 is crazy and difficult.

NP. Imagine been amazingly science-illiterate and proud of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Watch my 600 lb Life and then let me know your thoughts. The people that make progress, short or long term follow is diet. And Dr. Now consistently calls people out for their BS excuses, that pretty much comes down to their lack of acknowledging CICO.

No one is denying this. The point is that it’s next to impossible to maintain a 1200 calorie diet when your body thinks it needs 10,000 to survive. Every system will work against you to increase your input and decrease your output. It’s possible for some very dedicated people to do it for a month or two to get approved for surgery because the stakes are extremely high. It’s not laziness when they fail.

It’s like telling a 150 pound woman who maintains her weight eating 2000 calories a day to eat 700 calories a day. Possible? Yes. But it would take extreme amounts of willpower to do for any length of time. Imagine how hungry you would be! How would it feel to be called lazy because you gave in to your hunger as you are hardwired to do?

That isn’t comparable. No one’s body is driving them to eat 10,000 calories per day for survival.

Yes, that was a silly example. Just like eating 1200 calories a day while dieting is silly and a great way to setup failure.

So far this thread is the same as all these threads. Anything other than agreeing that elaborate external factors are play is cruel.

All these lengthy articles, studies, and the like are trying to do is come up with another way of attacking this problem. That’s all great, but doing so by completely abandoning any sense of reality about how all these adults end up overweight or severely obese after decades of poor nutrition isn’t helping anybody.

1200 calories a day are what a lot of women are supposed to be eating and not just when they are trying to lose weight. it sucks.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This doesn’t exactly repúdiate calories in v. calories out.

Usually people who use that phrase are being ridiculously smug and dismissive. But that doesn’t change the fact that except in rare cases, wright gain means that we have consumed more calories than we burned (and the calories that we burned means what we burn at rest v what we burn when we move).

Of course, a lot goes into this. Some burn fewer calories when they rest. Some are born with naturally bigger bodies. Some have genetics that make them hungrier. Some have psychological problems (including those caused by fat-shaming) that make them turn to food for comfort. Some are going to be naturally more inclined to eat donuts. Some have not been taught the value of nutrition or how to obtain and cook healthier food. Some people just do not have the time or energy to exercise, prepare good food, and Change habits. Some people have health issues that make it impossible for them to eat a lot of healthy foods (that’s me!).

But calories in/calories out is a good rule of thumb.

Although, perhaps the better rule of thumb is to just do the best you can for your health and not worry about weight because you can still be healthy at any size.

You alluded to the public health issue, but I think it’s important to hit it square on - millions of people don’t have access to fresh food because they lack reliable transportation to a place where fresh food is sold. Fresh food is more expensive, less available, and takes knowledge and time to prepare. Processed food is high in calories, easy to obtain, inexpensive, shelf stable, and often marketed toward people who have ready access to it and not to foods that are more nutrient dense. Plus, you know, corporate agriculture, food lobby, politics…

It is not just about motivation or desire to “eat better.” There are massive systemic inequities at play, that have been at play for decades - several generations in some families.

These inequalities don’t apply to 95% of those posting on this forum.

Being healthy and making healthy choices takes work. Nobody said it’s easy. It’s harder for some than others. Kill the TV and use that time if necessary.

Or people can spend the time finding articles to justify how they are behaving.

Fun fact: one major contributor to obesity is comments like yours that fat-shame people. If you don’t want to be part of the problem, be kinder.

If we were all just nicer and didn't make obese people feel bad, people wouldn't be obese?

That is an interesting train of thought.

People have just gotten more obese as the "fat acceptance" movement has gotten more popular. So I'm not buying it.

This is bullsh@t. Despite what you think, people aren't accepting at all when it comes to being overweight.

[Anonymous]

I've never known a single obese person who didn't get fat from overeating and poor lifestyle choices. And they all stay fat from their eating habits and poor lifestyle choices.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So…CICO works, but it’s too tough to implement for most people?

Exactly

When people are in controlled conditions where they eat prescribed food plans and it is not possible to deviate, they do lose weight.

So that people like OP find reality so difficult to accept.

Unfortunately denying reality doesn’t help anyone.