A complete and total repudiation of all the people who bleat "calories in, calories out"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People don't realize it, but most overweight people have a food addiction.

Folks, its ok to be hungry and go without food.

After a month and a half of daily fasting (20hrs or more), my cravings are nearly all gone. I crave mostly nutrition from fruits, veggies, Greek yogurt.

Love the self righteousness. Such a distasteful attitude.

Especially because it’s been a month and a half. Statistically irrelevant, in other words.

That PP needs to come back here in five years and talk about her cravings that have magically disappeared.

[Anonymous]

The only thing CICO is good for is that it is a handy shortcut for identifying people who aren’t too bright.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The only thing CICO is good for is that it is a handy shortcut for identifying people who aren’t too bright.

It depends on how they are using it. If they follow it up with "duh, just eat less and exercise more" then yes.

[Anonymous]

I strongly believe there is some sort of genetic component to weight after anecdotally observing my kids. I have two boys. They are both similar height on growth charts for their age. They have access to the same foods in our home, and make very similar eating choices. They are both active and athletic - soccer, basketball, running clubs, and outdoor activities with friends and family.

One is incredibly lean and muscular, and the other is overweight, possibly obese, though he hasn't been on a scale recently. What do I do with that? Both parents are thin and fit with a reasonable diet and workout habits. But both sides of our family also have many obese people - a mix of both. We are simply accepting our overweight child as he is as long as he is understanding healthy food choices (which we teach to both children) and is staying active and fit. Not sure what else to do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I strongly believe there is some sort of genetic component to weight after anecdotally observing my kids. I have two boys. They are both similar height on growth charts for their age. They have access to the same foods in our home, and make very similar eating choices. They are both active and athletic - soccer, basketball, running clubs, and outdoor activities with friends and family.

One is incredibly lean and muscular, and the other is overweight, possibly obese, though he hasn't been on a scale recently. What do I do with that? Both parents are thin and fit with a reasonable diet and workout habits. But both sides of our family also have many obese people - a mix of both. We are simply accepting our overweight child as he is as long as he is understanding healthy food choices (which we teach to both children) and is staying active and fit. Not sure what else to do.

What else can you do? Nothing. What you're doing is stellar parenting.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People don't realize it, but most overweight people have a food addiction.

Folks, its ok to be hungry and go without food.

After a month and a half of daily fasting (20hrs or more), my cravings are nearly all gone. I crave mostly nutrition from fruits, veggies, Greek yogurt.

Disagree. The obese and morbidly obese, yes there likely is some food addiction going on. But the “overweight” can simply and easily be overweight from indulging or larger portions over time; weekly takeout, too many snacks, frequent evenings out with friends and some glasses of wine, large restaurant portions. Considering the new standard portion sizes and the abundance of high calorie foods that are super easy to access, it is very easy to consume too many calories. You have to make a conscious effort to eat what you burn. As little as few hundred extra calories per day over time will pack on the weight of you don’t watch and cut back as needed and not let the weight gain add up to an insurmountable number

I agree with this assessment. Also some people just have super high stress jobs or life and the food and nutrition part just gets ignored. Add in lack of sleep and tons of alcohol and it’s easy to gain lots of weight. I know that’s how I ended up there.

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Anonymous wrote:Watch my 600 lb Life and then let me know your thoughts. The people that make progress, short or long term follow is diet. And Dr. Now consistently calls people out for their BS excuses, that pretty much comes down to their lack of acknowledging CICO.

No one is denying this. The point is that it’s next to impossible to maintain a 1200 calorie diet when your body thinks it needs 10,000 to survive. Every system will work against you to increase your input and decrease your output. It’s possible for some very dedicated people to do it for a month or two to get approved for surgery because the stakes are extremely high. It’s not laziness when they fail.

It’s like telling a 150 pound woman who maintains her weight eating 2000 calories a day to eat 700 calories a day. Possible? Yes. But it would take extreme amounts of willpower to do for any length of time. Imagine how hungry you would be! How would it feel to be called lazy because you gave in to your hunger as you are hardwired to do?

That isn’t comparable. No one’s body is driving them to eat 10,000 calories per day for survival.

Yes, they are! That’s the thing. People who weigh 600 pounds have bodies that think they need 10,000 calories a day for survival, just like my body thinks it needs 2000 calories a day for survival.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The only thing CICO is good for is that it is a handy shortcut for identifying people who aren’t too bright.

It depends on how they are using it. If they follow it up with "duh, just eat less and exercise more" then yes.

If only they had the intelligence to be coddled by the New York Times to validate their life choices.

The original post was so dumb it hurts anybody with a brain. Nobody thinks CICO standing alone as a rigid idea is a solution. But a general framework of don’t eat piles of garbage and actually move instead sitting in front of a computer all day is a good idea.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People don't realize it, but most overweight people have a food addiction.

Folks, its ok to be hungry and go without food.

After a month and a half of daily fasting (20hrs or more), my cravings are nearly all gone. I crave mostly nutrition from fruits, veggies, Greek yogurt.

Love the self righteousness. Such a distasteful attitude.

Especially because it’s been a month and a half. Statistically irrelevant, in other words.

That PP needs to come back here in five years and talk about her cravings that have magically disappeared.

I think it will be a way of life considering I work a desk job.

My thin friends simply don’t think about food as much as me when I was obese. If dinner is lacking, they won’t drive out their way to pickup some fast food. They would rather eat a cracker, drink tea, and eat a lunch the next day. If you live in America, food scarcity should be the last thing on your mind. Fast food stores everywhere you look, Starbucks at 600 calorie a drink, low quality of food everywhere. Food addiction.


I think most of us here are because of food addiction otherwise we would be in the medicine section.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only thing CICO is good for is that it is a handy shortcut for identifying people who aren’t too bright.

It depends on how they are using it. If they follow it up with "duh, just eat less and exercise more" then yes.

If only they had the intelligence to be coddled by the New York Times to validate their life choices.

The original post was so dumb it hurts anybody with a brain. Nobody thinks CICO standing alone as a rigid idea is a solution. But a general framework of don’t eat piles of garbage and actually move instead sitting in front of a computer all day is a good idea.

Okay so here we have:

1) ad hominem
2) ad hominem again
3) generalization
4) straw man
5) false dichotomy

It's amazing that every single sentence in your comment contains at least one logical fallacy.

I don't want to insult anybody's intelligence, so I will just say that I believe you can do better here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only thing CICO is good for is that it is a handy shortcut for identifying people who aren’t too bright.

It depends on how they are using it. If they follow it up with "duh, just eat less and exercise more" then yes.

If only they had the intelligence to be coddled by the New York Times to validate their life choices.

The original post was so dumb it hurts anybody with a brain. Nobody thinks CICO standing alone as a rigid idea is a solution. But a general framework of don’t eat piles of garbage and actually move instead sitting in front of a computer all day is a good idea.

Again you are promoting that it is eating shite food and being lazy that equals obese. That is not true once metabolic disease sets in.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only thing CICO is good for is that it is a handy shortcut for identifying people who aren’t too bright.

It depends on how they are using it. If they follow it up with "duh, just eat less and exercise more" then yes.

If only they had the intelligence to be coddled by the New York Times to validate their life choices.

The original post was so dumb it hurts anybody with a brain. Nobody thinks CICO standing alone as a rigid idea is a solution. But a general framework of don’t eat piles of garbage and actually move instead sitting in front of a computer all day is a good idea.

Okay so here we have:

1) ad hominem
2) ad hominem again
3) generalization
4) straw man
5) false dichotomy

It's amazing that every single sentence in your comment contains at least one logical fallacy.

I don't want to insult anybody's intelligence, so I will just say that I believe you can do better here.

That PP doesn’t have the ability to do better.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The only thing CICO is good for is that it is a handy shortcut for identifying people who aren’t too bright.

It depends on how they are using it. If they follow it up with "duh, just eat less and exercise more" then yes.

Funny, actually counting calories and then cutting calories and pairing that with increased exercise worked for me. People like to make something relatively simple complicated because the simple solution requires self control.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only thing CICO is good for is that it is a handy shortcut for identifying people who aren’t too bright.

It depends on how they are using it. If they follow it up with "duh, just eat less and exercise more" then yes.

Funny, actually counting calories and then cutting calories and pairing that with increased exercise worked for me. People like to make something relatively simple complicated because the simple solution requires self control.

Okay so it was simple for you. What makes you think that the whole question of obesity is relatively simple for everybody? And is self-control really so simple? Self-control is the subject of decades of research and academic inquiry, so I find it odd to call it "simple."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The top obesity researchers in the world:

The three-day meeting was infused with an implicit understanding of what obesity is not: a personal failing. No presenter argued that humans collectively lost willpower around the 1980s, when obesity rates took off, first in high-income countries‌, then in much of the rest of the world. Not a single scientist said our genes changed in that short time. Laziness, gluttony‌‌ and sloth were not referred to as obesity’s helpers. In stark contrast to a prevailing societal view of obesity, which assumes people have full control over their body size, they didn’t blame individuals for their condition, the same way we don’t blame people suffering from undernutrition challenges, like stunting and wasting.

The researchers instead referred to obesity as a complex, chronic condition, and they were meeting to get to the bottom of why humans have, collectively, grown larger over the past half century. To that end, they shared a range of mechanisms that might explain the global obesity surge. And their theories, however diverse, made one thing obvious: As long as we treat obesity as a personal responsibility issue, its prevalence is unlikely to decline.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/21/opinion/obesity-cause.html

You think this is news, OP?

It obviously is, since so many people on this thread are unaware of it.