A complete and total repudiation of all the people who bleat "calories in, calories out"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So…CICO works, but it’s too tough to implement for most people?

No, it doesn't work for everyone. It's what happens in the body when the calories go in -- what does your body chemistry do with elements that have entered the body? Not every body processes food the same way, no matter how much or how little exercise you do. Three people can eat the same exact diet and one will gain, one will lose, and the other will stay the same because of their individual biochemistry. A fourth person might die fro the same food intake because their body overreacts to the food and experiences anaphylaxis.

Just as two people can do the same sets of exercises, and one develops defined muscles and the other doesn't because the second body has different neurological wiring for muscle tone.

Nutrition and body chemistry vary from person to person. Obesity appears to be triggered by a fault in body chemistry in some people, the cause of which we have not fully determined.

This seems to be a reasonably good explanation. The corollary is, if you learn over time that your body processes food differently and you have a tendency to gain more weight, that is when you have to adjust your intake down to account for your slower metabolism. If my friend can eat 2,000 calories to maintain their weight but I can only eat 1,000... well that sucks and it is unfair, just like many other aspects in life are unfair. Is it hard and does it feel impossible, especially around the holidays? YES!! Of course. But if I don't want to become obese, I have to suck it up and eat less. So that's where I think people are bringing the concepts of accountability and discipline into it. Your metabolism may be slower due to many things over which you have zero control, and that is not your fault, but adapting to that takes dedication and perseverance. Just like if I have to train really hard to run a mile three minutes slower than my friend who effortlessly runs much faster with no training after drinking all night.

Fine, but there’s only so much control you have to fight your physiology. At some point perseverance and willpower is simply not enough. Just like I will never be able to to run a 6 minute mile, I will never be able to permanently be a “healthy” BMI. My physiology will not allow it. And that’s where tools like Ozempic/Wegovy/Mounjaro come in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So…CICO works, but it’s too tough to implement for most people?

No, it doesn't work for everyone. It's what happens in the body when the calories go in -- what does your body chemistry do with elements that have entered the body? Not every body processes food the same way, no matter how much or how little exercise you do. Three people can eat the same exact diet and one will gain, one will lose, and the other will stay the same because of their individual biochemistry. A fourth person might die fro the same food intake because their body overreacts to the food and experiences anaphylaxis.

Just as two people can do the same sets of exercises, and one develops defined muscles and the other doesn't because the second body has different neurological wiring for muscle tone.

Nutrition and body chemistry vary from person to person. Obesity appears to be triggered by a fault in body chemistry in some people, the cause of which we have not fully determined.

This seems to be a reasonably good explanation. The corollary is, if you learn over time that your body processes food differently and you have a tendency to gain more weight, that is when you have to adjust your intake down to account for your slower metabolism. If my friend can eat 2,000 calories to maintain their weight but I can only eat 1,000... well that sucks and it is unfair, just like many other aspects in life are unfair. Is it hard and does it feel impossible, especially around the holidays? YES!! Of course. But if I don't want to become obese, I have to suck it up and eat less. So that's where I think people are bringing the concepts of accountability and discipline into it. Your metabolism may be slower due to many things over which you have zero control, and that is not your fault, but adapting to that takes dedication and perseverance. Just like if I have to train really hard to run a mile three minutes slower than my friend who effortlessly runs much faster with no training after drinking all night.

Fine, but there’s only so much control you have to fight your physiology. At some point perseverance and willpower is simply not enough. Just like I will never be able to to run a 6 minute mile, I will never be able to permanently be a “healthy” BMI. My physiology will not allow it. And that’s where tools like Ozempic/Wegovy/Mounjaro come in.

I accept that explanation and I am happy the drugs are working for you and others. Truly, I don't understand the posters who are being mean about the drugs.

However, I believe we should still try to urge healthy eating and exercise, starting at the youngest ages, to combat this mass metabolic problem that seems to have suddenly and un-naturally accelerated in the last couple decades. We can't let the message be, "Eat all you want! The drugs will be there for you when you wreck your metabolism by eating too much!" I'm not saying that's what has happened to you specifically, but I'm saying that is how the message could be construed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So…CICO works, but it’s too tough to implement for most people?

No, it doesn't work for everyone. It's what happens in the body when the calories go in -- what does your body chemistry do with elements that have entered the body? Not every body processes food the same way, no matter how much or how little exercise you do. Three people can eat the same exact diet and one will gain, one will lose, and the other will stay the same because of their individual biochemistry. A fourth person might die fro the same food intake because their body overreacts to the food and experiences anaphylaxis.

Just as two people can do the same sets of exercises, and one develops defined muscles and the other doesn't because the second body has different neurological wiring for muscle tone.

Nutrition and body chemistry vary from person to person. Obesity appears to be triggered by a fault in body chemistry in some people, the cause of which we have not fully determined.

This seems to be a reasonably good explanation. The corollary is, if you learn over time that your body processes food differently and you have a tendency to gain more weight, that is when you have to adjust your intake down to account for your slower metabolism. If my friend can eat 2,000 calories to maintain their weight but I can only eat 1,000... well that sucks and it is unfair, just like many other aspects in life are unfair. Is it hard and does it feel impossible, especially around the holidays? YES!! Of course. But if I don't want to become obese, I have to suck it up and eat less. So that's where I think people are bringing the concepts of accountability and discipline into it. Your metabolism may be slower due to many things over which you have zero control, and that is not your fault, but adapting to that takes dedication and perseverance. Just like if I have to train really hard to run a mile three minutes slower than my friend who effortlessly runs much faster with no training after drinking all night.

Fine, but there’s only so much control you have to fight your physiology. At some point perseverance and willpower is simply not enough. Just like I will never be able to to run a 6 minute mile, I will never be able to permanently be a “healthy” BMI. My physiology will not allow it. And that’s where tools like Ozempic/Wegovy/Mounjaro come in.

I accept that explanation and I am happy the drugs are working for you and others. Truly, I don't understand the posters who are being mean about the drugs.

However, I believe we should still try to urge healthy eating and exercise, starting at the youngest ages, to combat this mass metabolic problem that seems to have suddenly and un-naturally accelerated in the last couple decades. We can't let the message be, "Eat all you want! The drugs will be there for you when you wreck your metabolism by eating too much!" I'm not saying that's what has happened to you specifically, but I'm saying that is how the message could be construed.

Okay…literally no one is saying that. There’s no message in our society and there never has been that you can eat whatever you want. The diet and exercise industry is huge. Gyms are a 35 billion dollar industry in this country. We have constant messaging that we need to eat less and move more, or do this or that diet, and cut this or that food group, or try this new exercise that burns the most fat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So…CICO works, but it’s too tough to implement for most people?

No, it doesn't work for everyone. It's what happens in the body when the calories go in -- what does your body chemistry do with elements that have entered the body? Not every body processes food the same way, no matter how much or how little exercise you do. Three people can eat the same exact diet and one will gain, one will lose, and the other will stay the same because of their individual biochemistry. A fourth person might die fro the same food intake because their body overreacts to the food and experiences anaphylaxis.

Just as two people can do the same sets of exercises, and one develops defined muscles and the other doesn't because the second body has different neurological wiring for muscle tone.

Nutrition and body chemistry vary from person to person. Obesity appears to be triggered by a fault in body chemistry in some people, the cause of which we have not fully determined.

This seems to be a reasonably good explanation. The corollary is, if you learn over time that your body processes food differently and you have a tendency to gain more weight, that is when you have to adjust your intake down to account for your slower metabolism. If my friend can eat 2,000 calories to maintain their weight but I can only eat 1,000... well that sucks and it is unfair, just like many other aspects in life are unfair. Is it hard and does it feel impossible, especially around the holidays? YES!! Of course. But if I don't want to become obese, I have to suck it up and eat less. So that's where I think people are bringing the concepts of accountability and discipline into it. Your metabolism may be slower due to many things over which you have zero control, and that is not your fault, but adapting to that takes dedication and perseverance. Just like if I have to train really hard to run a mile three minutes slower than my friend who effortlessly runs much faster with no training after drinking all night.

Fine, but there’s only so much control you have to fight your physiology. At some point perseverance and willpower is simply not enough. Just like I will never be able to to run a 6 minute mile, I will never be able to permanently be a “healthy” BMI. My physiology will not allow it. And that’s where tools like Ozempic/Wegovy/Mounjaro come in.

I accept that explanation and I am happy the drugs are working for you and others. Truly, I don't understand the posters who are being mean about the drugs.

However, I believe we should still try to urge healthy eating and exercise, starting at the youngest ages, to combat this mass metabolic problem that seems to have suddenly and un-naturally accelerated in the last couple decades. We can't let the message be, "Eat all you want! The drugs will be there for you when you wreck your metabolism by eating too much!" I'm not saying that's what has happened to you specifically, but I'm saying that is how the message could be construed.

Okay…literally no one is saying that. There’s no message in our society and there never has been that you can eat whatever you want. The diet and exercise industry is huge. Gyms are a 35 billion dollar industry in this country. We have constant messaging that we need to eat less and move more, or do this or that diet, and cut this or that food group, or try this new exercise that burns the most fat.

Some posters are saying that "eat less move more" doesn't work and that advising to do so is somehow fat shaming. It's not. It's sound advice for people to avoid becoming obese in the first place.

Great that once you are obese there is a pill that can help, but guarantee that yes, some people will see that as a license to eat whatever and then take drugs to fix it.