Michael Moore prediction for 2022 election

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Anonymous wrote:Women have a wide range of opinions on a lot of issues, but none of the economic ones are neatly and completely divorced from reproductive concerns -- despite the fact that ideologues like you like to paint a picture to devoid of that reality.

No one was saying that, especially Sanders. Kind of an interesting pattern how the old Jewish guy is a perpetual villain for some wealthy white women on this board for daring to not drop out and let the blond haired, Protestant white lady get the nomination in 2016. Sanders is too much of a mensh to call out this stuff but it does have a very anti-Semitic vibe.

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Anonymous wrote:Women have a wide range of opinions on a lot of issues, but none of the economic ones are neatly and completely divorced from reproductive concerns -- despite the fact that ideologues like you like to paint a picture to devoid of that reality.

No one was saying that, especially Sanders. Kind of an interesting pattern how the old Jewish guy is a perpetual villain for some wealthy white women on this board for daring to not drop out and let the blond haired, Protestant white lady get the nomination in 2016. Sanders is too much of a mensh to call out this stuff but it does have a very anti-Semitic vibe.

The republicans forced reproductive rights into elections, not the Dems.

Republicans have been told to vote on this single issue for many many years and election cycles.

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Anonymous wrote:Women have a wide range of opinions on a lot of issues, but none of the economic ones are neatly and completely divorced from reproductive concerns -- despite the fact that ideologues like you like to paint a picture to devoid of that reality.

No one was saying that, especially Sanders. Kind of an interesting pattern how the old Jewish guy is a perpetual villain for some wealthy white women on this board for daring to not drop out and let the blond haired, Protestant white lady get the nomination in 2016. Sanders is too much of a mensh to call out this stuff but it does have a very anti-Semitic vibe.

Ah, well, you were. I don't know if you are Bernie Sanders, though.

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Anonymous wrote:I watched Judy Woodruff last night talking with a group of 18-yr old first-time voters and they all had one issue in common: Roe v Wade and we're voting for pro-choice candidates. I suspect there may be a tsunami of voters with this single issue. We don't take kindly to having our rights taken away by religious zealots!

This made me happy, thank you.

Many younger voters aren't realizing impact of economy yet and are buffered by their parents and student loans. Older voters will be at the polls, too-- and very much aware.

Many clueless old people don’t want to admit that abortion is an economic issue and are buffered by no longer having to worry about that aspect of their life.

And many older women remember the girls who went away and the women who died. People are very much aware.

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Sanders again sounding like a ringer for the right wing. How can that batty old man not understand that abortion is an economic issue? Is he not smart enough to make the connection between abortion and economics for his voters? Argh.

Sanders is focused, like most left wing politicians throughout history, on advancing the material causes of the proletariat / working class. People like you are libertarians who shroud themselves in “left wing” clothing and care more about virtue signaling for social credit than actually materially benefiting the working class. Fact of the matter is that a lot of “leftists” nowadays only care about advancing the concerns of UMC, overeducated white people and everyone else’s concerns (black, brown, and white) are thrown aside. Look no further than all of these UMC whites using “Latinx” and being “woke” about LGBTQ issues but not having the same level of energy and support for unionizing efforts at Amazon.

Or you, shorter: I don’t care what happens to women.

There are no women in the working class and the only thing women around the world care about is abortion? Stop watching cable news so much. It turns your mind into mush.

Women in the working class care about being forced to remain pregnant when they don’t want to.

Why do you insist on painting women as one-dimensional figures?? We can walk and chew gum at the same time. In real life we have to juggle more than one thing at a time. Stop defining us solely by our reproductive systems.

What an unserious response. You sound like a forced birther who’s trying to hide but just has to comment.

Nom-nom-nom. Cannibal.

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Anonymous wrote:I watched Judy Woodruff last night talking with a group of 18-yr old first-time voters and they all had one issue in common: Roe v Wade and we're voting for pro-choice candidates. I suspect there may be a tsunami of voters with this single issue. We don't take kindly to having our rights taken away by religious zealots!

This made me happy, thank you.

Many younger voters aren't realizing impact of economy yet and are buffered by their parents and student loans. Older voters will be at the polls, too-- and very much aware.

Many clueless old people don’t want to admit that abortion is an economic issue and are buffered by no longer having to worry about that aspect of their life.

And many older women remember the girls who went away and the women who died. People are very much aware.

+1

Sanders again sounding like a ringer for the right wing. How can that batty old man not understand that abortion is an economic issue? Is he not smart enough to make the connection between abortion and economics for his voters? Argh.

Sanders is focused, like most left wing politicians throughout history, on advancing the material causes of the proletariat / working class. People like you are libertarians who shroud themselves in “left wing” clothing and care more about virtue signaling for social credit than actually materially benefiting the working class. Fact of the matter is that a lot of “leftists” nowadays only care about advancing the concerns of UMC, overeducated white people and everyone else’s concerns (black, brown, and white) are thrown aside. Look no further than all of these UMC whites using “Latinx” and being “woke” about LGBTQ issues but not having the same level of energy and support for unionizing efforts at Amazon.

Or you, shorter: I don’t care what happens to women.

There are no women in the working class and the only thing women around the world care about is abortion? Stop watching cable news so much. It turns your mind into mush.

Women in the working class care about being forced to remain pregnant when they don’t want to.

Why do you insist on painting women as one-dimensional figures?? We can walk and chew gum at the same time. In real life we have to juggle more than one thing at a time. Stop defining us solely by our reproductive systems.

Np- Well nothing makes women juggle more than one thing at a time, than another kid.

Sure, but not everyone is a single issue voter which was the original point being made. This is why we lose — we cannot phantom how other people think. Biden has an opportunity here and his people may blow it bc they fail to understand the electorate.

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Anonymous wrote:I watched Judy Woodruff last night talking with a group of 18-yr old first-time voters and they all had one issue in common: Roe v Wade and we're voting for pro-choice candidates. I suspect there may be a tsunami of voters with this single issue. We don't take kindly to having our rights taken away by religious zealots!

This made me happy, thank you.

Many younger voters aren't realizing impact of economy yet and are buffered by their parents and student loans. Older voters will be at the polls, too-- and very much aware.

Many clueless old people don’t want to admit that abortion is an economic issue and are buffered by no longer having to worry about that aspect of their life.

And many older women remember the girls who went away and the women who died. People are very much aware.

+1

Sanders again sounding like a ringer for the right wing. How can that batty old man not understand that abortion is an economic issue? Is he not smart enough to make the connection between abortion and economics for his voters? Argh.

Sanders is focused, like most left wing politicians throughout history, on advancing the material causes of the proletariat / working class. People like you are libertarians who shroud themselves in “left wing” clothing and care more about virtue signaling for social credit than actually materially benefiting the working class. Fact of the matter is that a lot of “leftists” nowadays only care about advancing the concerns of UMC, overeducated white people and everyone else’s concerns (black, brown, and white) are thrown aside. Look no further than all of these UMC whites using “Latinx” and being “woke” about LGBTQ issues but not having the same level of energy and support for unionizing efforts at Amazon.

Or you, shorter: I don’t care what happens to women.

There are no women in the working class and the only thing women around the world care about is abortion? Stop watching cable news so much. It turns your mind into mush.

Women in the working class care about being forced to remain pregnant when they don’t want to.

Why do you insist on painting women as one-dimensional figures?? We can walk and chew gum at the same time. In real life we have to juggle more than one thing at a time. Stop defining us solely by our reproductive systems.

Np- Well nothing makes women juggle more than one thing at a time, than another kid.

Sure, but not everyone is a single issue voter which was the original point being made. This is why we lose — we cannot phantom how other people think. Biden has an opportunity here and his people may blow it bc they fail to understand the electorate.

Opportunity to what? What are you advising here?

[Anonymous]

This sounds a lot like the "advice" on this forum offered to Democrats after the 2016 election. I'm sure it was intended to be oh so helpful.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Women have a wide range of opinions on a lot of issues, but none of the economic ones are neatly and completely divorced from reproductive concerns -- despite the fact that ideologues like you like to paint a picture to devoid of that reality.

No one was saying that, especially Sanders. Kind of an interesting pattern how the old Jewish guy is a perpetual villain for some wealthy white women on this board for daring to not drop out and let the blond haired, Protestant white lady get the nomination in 2016. Sanders is too much of a mensh to call out this stuff but it does have a very anti-Semitic vibe.

You’re still mad that Democrats voted for a lifelong Democrat? Sad take.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This sounds a lot like the "advice" on this forum offered to Democrats after the 2016 election. I'm sure it was intended to be oh so helpful.

+1 Republicans know that if people go to the ballot box and remember what they’ve done to women - how many dead women do we suppose there are as a result of the forced birther politics? How many 10 year olds are pregnant right now with their rapist’s baby? - it will be a bloodbath for the GOP. Hence all the faux Democrats, i.e., Republicans, pretending that abortion isn’t an issue. It is THE issue.

You’re concerned about crime? We know for a fact that unwanted kids become criminals in a few years.

You’re concerned about inflation? Nothing more expensive than another child.

You’re concerned about tyranny? There is nothing more tyrannical than enslaving someone because of your religious beliefs.

Everything revolves around this. When women don’t have equal rights, societies fail. This isn’t some “woke” issue or however Republicans want to denigrate women. This is everything.

[Anonymous]

Does anyone remember what he predicted in other years? I remember his 2016 prediction but not the other ones and don’t really want to go looking.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This sounds a lot like the "advice" on this forum offered to Democrats after the 2016 election. I'm sure it was intended to be oh so helpful.

+1 Republicans know that if people go to the ballot box and remember what they’ve done to women - how many dead women do we suppose there are as a result of the forced birther politics? How many 10 year olds are pregnant right now with their rapist’s baby? - it will be a bloodbath for the GOP. Hence all the faux Democrats, i.e., Republicans, pretending that abortion isn’t an issue. It is THE issue.

You’re concerned about crime? We know for a fact that unwanted kids become criminals in a few years.

You’re concerned about inflation? Nothing more expensive than another child.

You’re concerned about tyranny? There is nothing more tyrannical than enslaving someone because of your religious beliefs.

Everything revolves around this. When women don’t have equal rights, societies fail. This isn’t some “woke” issue or however Republicans want to denigrate women. This is everything.

I don't know. How many? Isn't how many an important measure of how important in issue this will become? How many dead women are there?

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Anonymous wrote:This sounds a lot like the "advice" on this forum offered to Democrats after the 2016 election. I'm sure it was intended to be oh so helpful.

+1 Republicans know that if people go to the ballot box and remember what they’ve done to women - how many dead women do we suppose there are as a result of the forced birther politics? How many 10 year olds are pregnant right now with their rapist’s baby? - it will be a bloodbath for the GOP. Hence all the faux Democrats, i.e., Republicans, pretending that abortion isn’t an issue. It is THE issue.

You’re concerned about crime? We know for a fact that unwanted kids become criminals in a few years.

You’re concerned about inflation? Nothing more expensive than another child.

You’re concerned about tyranny? There is nothing more tyrannical than enslaving someone because of your religious beliefs.

Everything revolves around this. When women don’t have equal rights, societies fail. This isn’t some “woke” issue or however Republicans want to denigrate women. This is everything.

I don't know. How many? Isn't how many an important measure of how important in issue this will become? How many dead women are there?

The forced birther states are preventing doctors and nurses from talking now, so we don’t know.

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Anonymous wrote:This sounds a lot like the "advice" on this forum offered to Democrats after the 2016 election. I'm sure it was intended to be oh so helpful.

+1 Republicans know that if people go to the ballot box and remember what they’ve done to women - how many dead women do we suppose there are as a result of the forced birther politics? How many 10 year olds are pregnant right now with their rapist’s baby? - it will be a bloodbath for the GOP. Hence all the faux Democrats, i.e., Republicans, pretending that abortion isn’t an issue. It is THE issue.

You’re concerned about crime? We know for a fact that unwanted kids become criminals in a few years.

You’re concerned about inflation? Nothing more expensive than another child.

You’re concerned about tyranny? There is nothing more tyrannical than enslaving someone because of your religious beliefs.

Everything revolves around this. When women don’t have equal rights, societies fail. This isn’t some “woke” issue or however Republicans want to denigrate women. This is everything.

I don't know. How many? Isn't how many an important measure of how important in issue this will become? How many dead women are there?

I don’t know about the dead women part (although I do feel confident that there will be exceptions for medical issues once the dust settles on this) but one fantastic thing about this is that democrats might be more motivated to keep rapists locked up forever so they can’t hurt - oops sorry, impregnate, which I guess is a lot more important to some people - more women. There’s a 9 time convicted rapist in Oregon right now (one of his victims was 13!) who is about to be released after half his sentence. He should have gotten life or frankly death penalty but instead will be out soon to rape more women. Let’s focus on getting repeat criminals locked away forever and then you’ll get fence sitters to take you more seriously on abortion laws (and exceptions).

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Anonymous wrote:This sounds a lot like the "advice" on this forum offered to Democrats after the 2016 election. I'm sure it was intended to be oh so helpful.

+1 Republicans know that if people go to the ballot box and remember what they’ve done to women - how many dead women do we suppose there are as a result of the forced birther politics? How many 10 year olds are pregnant right now with their rapist’s baby? - it will be a bloodbath for the GOP. Hence all the faux Democrats, i.e., Republicans, pretending that abortion isn’t an issue. It is THE issue.

You’re concerned about crime? We know for a fact that unwanted kids become criminals in a few years.

You’re concerned about inflation? Nothing more expensive than another child.

You’re concerned about tyranny? There is nothing more tyrannical than enslaving someone because of your religious beliefs.

Everything revolves around this. When women don’t have equal rights, societies fail. This isn’t some “woke” issue or however Republicans want to denigrate women. This is everything.

I don't know. How many? Isn't how many an important measure of how important in issue this will become? How many dead women are there?

I don’t know about the dead women part (although I do feel confident that there will be exceptions for medical issues once the dust settles on this) but one fantastic thing about this is that democrats might be more motivated to keep rapists locked up forever so they can’t hurt - oops sorry, impregnate, which I guess is a lot more important to some people - more women. There’s a 9 time convicted rapist in Oregon right now (one of his victims was 13!) who is about to be released after half his sentence. He should have gotten life or frankly death penalty but instead will be out soon to rape more women. Let’s focus on getting repeat criminals locked away forever and then you’ll get fence sitters to take you more seriously on abortion laws (and exceptions).

DP. Sure, let's talk about the convicted felon, Richard Gillmore, since this is a case you have brought up as both relevant and politically charged.

Victor George Atiyeh was the governor of Oregon from 1979 to 1987, and Gillmore was convicted in '86. What was the political affiliation of Atiyeh? What was the balance of the Oregon House and Senate that passed the laws he was convicted under? Was he given the maximum sentence allowable under those laws?

"He should have gotten life or frankly death penalty." Okay, so was that the fault of the Democrats or the Republicans -- since you went there?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:This sounds a lot like the "advice" on this forum offered to Democrats after the 2016 election. I'm sure it was intended to be oh so helpful.

+1 Republicans know that if people go to the ballot box and remember what they’ve done to women - how many dead women do we suppose there are as a result of the forced birther politics? How many 10 year olds are pregnant right now with their rapist’s baby? - it will be a bloodbath for the GOP. Hence all the faux Democrats, i.e., Republicans, pretending that abortion isn’t an issue. It is THE issue.

You’re concerned about crime? We know for a fact that unwanted kids become criminals in a few years.

You’re concerned about inflation? Nothing more expensive than another child.

You’re concerned about tyranny? There is nothing more tyrannical than enslaving someone because of your religious beliefs.

Everything revolves around this. When women don’t have equal rights, societies fail. This isn’t some “woke” issue or however Republicans want to denigrate women. This is everything.

I don't know. How many? Isn't how many an important measure of how important in issue this will become? How many dead women are there?

I don’t know about the dead women part (although I do feel confident that there will be exceptions for medical issues once the dust settles on this) but one fantastic thing about this is that democrats might be more motivated to keep rapists locked up forever so they can’t hurt - oops sorry, impregnate, which I guess is a lot more important to some people - more women. There’s a 9 time convicted rapist in Oregon right now (one of his victims was 13!) who is about to be released after half his sentence. He should have gotten life or frankly death penalty but instead will be out soon to rape more women. Let’s focus on getting repeat criminals locked away forever and then you’ll get fence sitters to take you more seriously on abortion laws (and exceptions).

DP. Sure, let's talk about the convicted felon, Richard Gillmore, since this is a case you have brought up as both relevant and politically charged.

Victor George Atiyeh was the governor of Oregon from 1979 to 1987, and Gillmore was convicted in '86. What was the political affiliation of Atiyeh? What was the balance of the Oregon House and Senate that passed the laws he was convicted under? Was he given the maximum sentence allowable under those laws?

"He should have gotten life or frankly death penalty." Okay, so was that the fault of the Democrats or the Republicans -- since you went there?

I’m the PP and I’m actually critical of both parties. I think Rs should have done way more about immigration and crime when they had full control. However, the people releasing that rapist without even serving his sentence (which I agree was far too lenient to begin with) are democrats. If republicans do the same one day then I promise I’d also have a big problem with it. If there’s a red wave, I certainly hope Rs take full advantage of it to fix the crime issues in a more permanent way.

However, in the meantime I’m sorry but I can’t take you seriously when you know there’s a serial rapist who has also raped a young child who is about to be released to do it again and you think the main problem (or solution) here is abortions.