Fake URM

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My wealthy, well-educated cousins were afforded every opportunity. They also checked the Hispanic box years ago for college admissions, since technically their father is from South America.

It happens all the time, OP. No system is perfect. I'd rather have a system based strictly on academic merit, with financial aid based on financial documents and verified by the IRS.

Why the F does someone from South America get preferential treatment for college admissions?!? Stupid.

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My wealthy, well-educated cousins were afforded every opportunity. They also checked the Hispanic box years ago for college admissions, since technically their father is from South America.

It happens all the time, OP. No system is perfect. I'd rather have a system based strictly on academic merit, with financial aid based on financial documents and verified by the IRS.

WTF. They ARE Hispanic and Latino if their father is from South America. Wealth has nothing to do with identity, unless you are a racist that thinks all Latinos are poor and uneducated. Not checking the Hispanic box would be lying about their identity.

PP you replied to. I know they're Hispanic. The entire point in reporting a non-white or non-asian status is to get special consideration, given the previous and current discrimination these populations face while trying to advance professionally and educationally. My cousins, who are not in need of any particular help, and look as white as any immigrant from northern Europe, benefited from a system that was not built for their particular case. I don't resent them for it. But I see that the system is imperfect.

We're not talking about identity here. We're talking about getting something out of that identity.

Ok that is not how it works. You don't simply check the box and get the automatic 1/2 Hispanic discount. They checked the box that represents who they are. Universities use that info for a lot of things MOST of which is not to discount tuition. What box did you want them to check? Other? For kids who are Hispanic but not poor?

Like what?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Under Represented Minority

And just what is that anyway?

It’s An easier way to get into college .

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Anonymous wrote:Concerned that a friend is trying to pass off kid as being urm. Seeing signs that it may be working. Student is not urm at all, but parent is trying to make others believe there is a connect. I think it’s shameful. The family has money but wants to try for urm to get discounted costs. Wondering how schools verify this.

Wondering if this is a troll post.

There is no URM "discount."

The parent can't pass off the kid. The kid answers federal race and ethnicity questions in the app.

If they care to check, a college admissions office can ask the high school counselor what box is checked on the high school/district registration forms.

If a kid is found to be lying in the app, the kid may be subject to penalties that include not getting in, getting kicked out after matriculation, or down the road getting stripped of the degree.

Link me to one example of where someone claimed to be a race they weren't and this happened. I bet you won't find anything.

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Anonymous wrote:Why should white Europeans from the Iberian Peninsula get an admissions boost?

They do not get one. You need to learn more about college admissions.

Good to know. Why do they ask for the Hispanic identification if it doesn't matter?

College are required by law to ask for demographic info. If a student checks Hispanic and white for race, they are classified as white for admissions purposes, which is separate from Federal reporting requirements.

What law is that? I believe there's a "prefer not to answer" option? Why can't colleges get progressive and have that box checked automatically for everyone?

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My wealthy, well-educated cousins were afforded every opportunity. They also checked the Hispanic box years ago for college admissions, since technically their father is from South America.

It happens all the time, OP. No system is perfect. I'd rather have a system based strictly on academic merit, with financial aid based on financial documents and verified by the IRS.

WTF. They ARE Hispanic and Latino if their father is from South America. Wealth has nothing to do with identity, unless you are a racist that thinks all Latinos are poor and uneducated. Not checking the Hispanic box would be lying about their identity.

This too is murky. Dh has parents who were born in Argentina but their parents were European from Europe. His parents grew up at moved to the US. (He never checks the Hispanic box but..) Is he Hispanic (he never checks this box). He grew up in a Spanish speaking household. Had his parents spoke Yiddish would that change your mind ? What if his parents had been born in Argentina but moved here at age 6?

The whole system is rough around the edges. No way about it. Dh doesn’t check the box because he has had every advantage. I’d hope others were reasonable in this way but there are always exceptions.

Are you implying that the Jews in Argentina or Mexico or Venezuela are not Hispanic?

I thought Hispanic meant that the primary language was Spanish? (I'm super not Hispanic at all; not PP.) So presumably Jews whose primary language was Yiddish would not consider themselves Hispanic? Although tbf if you live in a Spanish-dominant country, you probably use Spanish as much as whatever language you speak at home, so you probably count. Also this means (I think) Brazilians are Latin@ but not Hispanic, right?

[Anonymous]

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My wealthy, well-educated cousins were afforded every opportunity. They also checked the Hispanic box years ago for college admissions, since technically their father is from South America.

It happens all the time, OP. No system is perfect. I'd rather have a system based strictly on academic merit, with financial aid based on financial documents and verified by the IRS.

Why the F does someone from South America get preferential treatment for college admissions?!? Stupid.

Uhhhhh. Ever heard of VENEZUELA??? Been to a Favela in Brazil?!

Dear god you people are ignorant

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My wealthy, well-educated cousins were afforded every opportunity. They also checked the Hispanic box years ago for college admissions, since technically their father is from South America.

It happens all the time, OP. No system is perfect. I'd rather have a system based strictly on academic merit, with financial aid based on financial documents and verified by the IRS.

WTF. They ARE Hispanic and Latino if their father is from South America. Wealth has nothing to do with identity, unless you are a racist that thinks all Latinos are poor and uneducated. Not checking the Hispanic box would be lying about their identity.

This too is murky. Dh has parents who were born in Argentina but their parents were European from Europe. His parents grew up at moved to the US. (He never checks the Hispanic box but..) Is he Hispanic (he never checks this box). He grew up in a Spanish speaking household. Had his parents spoke Yiddish would that change your mind ? What if his parents had been born in Argentina but moved here at age 6?

The whole system is rough around the edges. No way about it. Dh doesn’t check the box because he has had every advantage. I’d hope others were reasonable in this way but there are always exceptions.

Are you implying that the Jews in Argentina or Mexico or Venezuela are not Hispanic?

I thought Hispanic meant that the primary language was Spanish? (I'm super not Hispanic at all; not PP.) So presumably Jews whose primary language was Yiddish would not consider themselves Hispanic? Although tbf if you live in a Spanish-dominant country, you probably use Spanish as much as whatever language you speak at home, so you probably count. Also this means (I think) Brazilians are Latin@ but not Hispanic, right?

No, Hispanic means that they come from a country whose primary language is Spanish. Latino includes Brazil but not Spain. Back to Hispanic - It doesn't necessarily mean that the language spoken at home is Spanish. It can be, for example, Nahuatl or Guarani. And yes, it can be Yiddish.

There have been, of course, many immigrants to South America. Whether or not a particularly family is Hispanic takes into account how long they were in the country. For example, I know of Argentines who were of Italian descent but have been there for generations now. I also know of someone who fled Iran and just happened to be born in South America but left as an infant. They were only there a few years - until the parents were able to get to the U.S. - and do not share the culture or language of that country nor were they ever citizens.

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My wealthy, well-educated cousins were afforded every opportunity. They also checked the Hispanic box years ago for college admissions, since technically their father is from South America.

It happens all the time, OP. No system is perfect. I'd rather have a system based strictly on academic merit, with financial aid based on financial documents and verified by the IRS.

WTF. They ARE Hispanic and Latino if their father is from South America. Wealth has nothing to do with identity, unless you are a racist that thinks all Latinos are poor and uneducated. Not checking the Hispanic box would be lying about their identity.

This too is murky. Dh has parents who were born in Argentina but their parents were European from Europe. His parents grew up at moved to the US. (He never checks the Hispanic box but..) Is he Hispanic (he never checks this box). He grew up in a Spanish speaking household. Had his parents spoke Yiddish would that change your mind ? What if his parents had been born in Argentina but moved here at age 6?

The whole system is rough around the edges. No way about it. Dh doesn’t check the box because he has had every advantage. I’d hope others were reasonable in this way but there are always exceptions.

Are you implying that the Jews in Argentina or Mexico or Venezuela are not Hispanic?

I thought Hispanic meant that the primary language was Spanish? (I'm super not Hispanic at all; not PP.) So presumably Jews whose primary language was Yiddish would not consider themselves Hispanic? Although tbf if you live in a Spanish-dominant country, you probably use Spanish as much as whatever language you speak at home, so you probably count. Also this means (I think) Brazilians are Latin@ but not Hispanic, right?

The PP asked what if the grandparents spoke Yiddish? How many Jews in Argentina do you think are still speaking Yiddish?

[Anonymous]

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My wealthy, well-educated cousins were afforded every opportunity. They also checked the Hispanic box years ago for college admissions, since technically their father is from South America.

It happens all the time, OP. No system is perfect. I'd rather have a system based strictly on academic merit, with financial aid based on financial documents and verified by the IRS.

WTF. They ARE Hispanic and Latino if their father is from South America. Wealth has nothing to do with identity, unless you are a racist that thinks all Latinos are poor and uneducated. Not checking the Hispanic box would be lying about their identity.

This too is murky. Dh has parents who were born in Argentina but their parents were European from Europe. His parents grew up at moved to the US. (He never checks the Hispanic box but..) Is he Hispanic (he never checks this box). He grew up in a Spanish speaking household. Had his parents spoke Yiddish would that change your mind ? What if his parents had been born in Argentina but moved here at age 6?

The whole system is rough around the edges. No way about it. Dh doesn’t check the box because he has had every advantage. I’d hope others were reasonable in this way but there are always exceptions.

Are you implying that the Jews in Argentina or Mexico or Venezuela are not Hispanic?

I thought Hispanic meant that the primary language was Spanish? (I'm super not Hispanic at all; not PP.) So presumably Jews whose primary language was Yiddish would not consider themselves Hispanic? Although tbf if you live in a Spanish-dominant country, you probably use Spanish as much as whatever language you speak at home, so you probably count. Also this means (I think) Brazilians are Latin@ but not Hispanic, right?

No, Hispanic means that they come from a country whose primary language is Spanish. Latino includes Brazil but not Spain. Back to Hispanic - It doesn't necessarily mean that the language spoken at home is Spanish. It can be, for example, Nahuatl or Guarani. And yes, it can be Yiddish.

There have been, of course, many immigrants to South America. Whether or not a particularly family is Hispanic takes into account how long they were in the country. For example, I know of Argentines who were of Italian descent but have been there for generations now. I also know of someone who fled Iran and just happened to be born in South America but left as an infant. They were only there a few years - until the parents were able to get to the U.S. - and do not share the culture or language of that country nor were they ever citizens.

Except Brazilians speak Portuguese, not Spanish.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Concerned that a friend is trying to pass off kid as being urm. Seeing signs that it may be working. Student is not urm at all, but parent is trying to make others believe there is a connect. I think it’s shameful. The family has money but wants to try for urm to get discounted costs. Wondering how schools verify this.

Wondering if this is a troll post.

There is no URM "discount."

The parent can't pass off the kid. The kid answers federal race and ethnicity questions in the app.

If they care to check, a college admissions office can ask the high school counselor what box is checked on the high school/district registration forms.

If a kid is found to be lying in the app, the kid may be subject to penalties that include not getting in, getting kicked out after matriculation, or down the road getting stripped of the degree.

Link me to one example of where someone claimed to be a race they weren't and this happened. I bet you won't find anything.

The issue is lying. While uncommon, admission has been revoked for lying in college apps, e.g., admission to Penn revoked for lying about death of mother https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/16/us/college-admission-applications.html

Or here: "The college admissions scandal mom who falsely claimed her son was African-American and Hispanic to increase his chances of getting into a top college was sentenced to three weeks in prison on Wednesday." https://nypost.com/2019/10/17/mom-who-lied-about-sons-ethnicity-on-college-apps-gets-3-weeks-in-jail/

[Anonymous]

I have always checked the hispanic box for my children. There is no way anyone can verify so why would you not??

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None of the racial categories are fact based anyway so why not exploit the colleges’ desperate need to virtue signal?

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Anonymous wrote:Why should white Europeans from the Iberian Peninsula get an admissions boost?

They do not get one. You need to learn more about college admissions.

Good to know. Why do they ask for the Hispanic identification if it doesn't matter?

College are required by law to ask for demographic info. If a student checks Hispanic and white for race, they are classified as white for admissions purposes, which is separate from Federal reporting requirements.

What law is that? I believe there's a "prefer not to answer" option? Why can't colleges get progressive and have that box checked automatically for everyone?

Any school that receives federal money and/or Title IV participates are required to report via the Integrated Postsecondary Education Data System (IPEDS) under the Department of Education. Individuals are allowed to opt out but schools are required to ask for the info.

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Anonymous wrote:I have always checked the hispanic box for my children. There is no way anyone can verify so why would you not??

Many college applications require the applicants to certify that they have answered all questions truthfully, and list the penalties for lying such as expulsion and revocation of degrees. It will be hanging over your kids' heads forever.