Inspired is keeping indoor masks

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Anonymous wrote:I told my 4 yr old daughter she could take her mask off outside when she goes back to school (at ITDS) on Monday and she was ecstatic. She would love to unmask if she could.

Our school has an elaborate phased *outdoor* unmasking policy over a period of weeks. It’s a waste of resources. And parents must still mask up outdoors. Only in DC… I’d be OK if that were the indoor unmasking plan but nope that’s not even on the table yet.

Serious question: What would actually happen if a parent was outside and unmasked? Would they punish the student?

I’m pretty sure they would politely remind me to put on a mask. There’s 100% compliance so it would be weird.

I pick up and drop off at ITDS. There was a time with 100% compliance with parents masking outside 6 feet away from each other. More and more parents are dropping the nonsense.

I stopped masking outside at pick up but still see the majority of parents outside with their heavy duty masks. It’s ridiculous at this point

Maybe I am one of the parents you see. I only have one kind of mask in rotation, so it’s a KN95 that I throw on for a few minutes so I can show my kids and other kids that while this rule is in effect, adults follow it too. With outdoor masking now optional, I will be without it. But until then, it didn’t seem appropriate to pass along a message that a rule I didn’t like didn’t apply to me.

I find this view interesting. So you want to teach your kids to blindly follow rules that make absolutely no sense scientifically according to the actual health officials? I don’t under this from a parenting perspective but I want my kids to be rational and understand when “authorities” are wrong. As they often are…

Yes, I do. That's part of living in a civil society. We're not "blindly" following the rules. We're choosing to follow them for various reasons that make sense to us. Not everything is about science, some of it is about social relationships and the social contract. We all sometimes follow rules that we don't think are scientifically sensible and that some actual heath officials dislike. Probably some rules that you think are super important and well-founded, other people think are stupid. I teach my kids to pick their battles and take a stand when it is truly important, and that in general they should follow the rules unless they have a compelling reason. And I don't want every random person making their own scientific judgments.

I don’t really think this is an issue of living in a “civil society.” Outdoor masking was always irrational and not based in science. I teach in Va and kids and parents have never worn masks outside during the pandemic including recess. Glad to say we’ve had zero COVID cases from these outdoor unmasked exposures. But seriously, I tell my friends in other places (both blue and red) that my kid at a DC charter has to mask at recess and they are horrified.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd be nervous about their science curriculum.

oh come on.

Thinking that a cloth mask on a three year old for eight hours a day is an effective strategy even after the CDC has explicitly said its a face ornament, is in the same territory if climate change denialism, so yes.

So get a better mask. Problem solved.

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Anonymous wrote:It's really telling that these schools choose to ignore CDC guidance. Feelings should not trump science. Masks do not come w/o costs as many kids, particularly the youngest, find them uncomfortable, hard to hear/speak, and really taking a toll on forming friendships.

Oh, the handwringing melodrama of it all.

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Anonymous wrote:I told my 4 yr old daughter she could take her mask off outside when she goes back to school (at ITDS) on Monday and she was ecstatic. She would love to unmask if she could.

Our school has an elaborate phased *outdoor* unmasking policy over a period of weeks. It’s a waste of resources. And parents must still mask up outdoors. Only in DC… I’d be OK if that were the indoor unmasking plan but nope that’s not even on the table yet.

Serious question: What would actually happen if a parent was outside and unmasked? Would they punish the student?

I’m pretty sure they would politely remind me to put on a mask. There’s 100% compliance so it would be weird.

I pick up and drop off at ITDS. There was a time with 100% compliance with parents masking outside 6 feet away from each other. More and more parents are dropping the nonsense.

I stopped masking outside at pick up but still see the majority of parents outside with their heavy duty masks. It’s ridiculous at this point

Maybe I am one of the parents you see. I only have one kind of mask in rotation, so it’s a KN95 that I throw on for a few minutes so I can show my kids and other kids that while this rule is in effect, adults follow it too. With outdoor masking now optional, I will be without it. But until then, it didn’t seem appropriate to pass along a message that a rule I didn’t like didn’t apply to me.

I find this view interesting. So you want to teach your kids to blindly follow rules that make absolutely no sense scientifically according to the actual health officials? I don’t under this from a parenting perspective but I want my kids to be rational and understand when “authorities” are wrong. As they often are…

Yes, I do. That's part of living in a civil society. We're not "blindly" following the rules. We're choosing to follow them for various reasons that make sense to us. Not everything is about science, some of it is about social relationships and the social contract. We all sometimes follow rules that we don't think are scientifically sensible and that some actual heath officials dislike. Probably some rules that you think are super important and well-founded, other people think are stupid. I teach my kids to pick their battles and take a stand when it is truly important, and that in general they should follow the rules unless they have a compelling reason. And I don't want every random person making their own scientific judgments.

If you're doing a thing you know is stupid to make other people feel comfortable, and they're doing a thing they know is stupid to make you feel comfortable, then all you have is a bunch of people doing something they know is stupid and isn't actually making anyone feel comfortable.

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Let me put it this way: Do you really want a school where kids only obey the rules their parents agree with? I think that would be a nightmare.

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Anonymous wrote:Cases will be rising shortly due to the subvariant. Might as well keep the masks so we don’t need to change course when that happens.

I guess I see it oppositely. Cases will rise and fall and rise and fall for years. If not now, then when? (I don't want my kids masked until the end of elementary school.)

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Anonymous wrote:I told my 4 yr old daughter she could take her mask off outside when she goes back to school (at ITDS) on Monday and she was ecstatic. She would love to unmask if she could.

Our school has an elaborate phased *outdoor* unmasking policy over a period of weeks. It’s a waste of resources. And parents must still mask up outdoors. Only in DC… I’d be OK if that were the indoor unmasking plan but nope that’s not even on the table yet.

Serious question: What would actually happen if a parent was outside and unmasked? Would they punish the student?

I’m pretty sure they would politely remind me to put on a mask. There’s 100% compliance so it would be weird.

I pick up and drop off at ITDS. There was a time with 100% compliance with parents masking outside 6 feet away from each other. More and more parents are dropping the nonsense.

I stopped masking outside at pick up but still see the majority of parents outside with their heavy duty masks. It’s ridiculous at this point

Maybe I am one of the parents you see. I only have one kind of mask in rotation, so it’s a KN95 that I throw on for a few minutes so I can show my kids and other kids that while this rule is in effect, adults follow it too. With outdoor masking now optional, I will be without it. But until then, it didn’t seem appropriate to pass along a message that a rule I didn’t like didn’t apply to me.

I find this view interesting. So you want to teach your kids to blindly follow rules that make absolutely no sense scientifically according to the actual health officials? I don’t under this from a parenting perspective but I want my kids to be rational and understand when “authorities” are wrong. As they often are…

Yes, I do. That's part of living in a civil society. We're not "blindly" following the rules. We're choosing to follow them for various reasons that make sense to us. Not everything is about science, some of it is about social relationships and the social contract. We all sometimes follow rules that we don't think are scientifically sensible and that some actual heath officials dislike. Probably some rules that you think are super important and well-founded, other people think are stupid. I teach my kids to pick their battles and take a stand when it is truly important, and that in general they should follow the rules unless they have a compelling reason. And I don't want every random person making their own scientific judgments.

If you're doing a thing you know is stupid to make other people feel comfortable, and they're doing a thing they know is stupid to make you feel comfortable, then all you have is a bunch of people doing something they know is stupid and isn't actually making anyone feel comfortable.

I don't think it's stupid. I think it doesn't make a difference but is not harmful (talking about masks at pickup and dropoff) and is not overly burdensome. So it's worth it for the sake of other people's comfort and the spirit of compromise. And the rule that the school makes the rules and doesn't change them without deliberation seems like a good one.

Science tells us all kinds of crazy things that schools don't follow, btw. Are you going to get wound up about all of them?

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Anonymous wrote:I told my 4 yr old daughter she could take her mask off outside when she goes back to school (at ITDS) on Monday and she was ecstatic. She would love to unmask if she could.

Our school has an elaborate phased *outdoor* unmasking policy over a period of weeks. It’s a waste of resources. And parents must still mask up outdoors. Only in DC… I’d be OK if that were the indoor unmasking plan but nope that’s not even on the table yet.

Serious question: What would actually happen if a parent was outside and unmasked? Would they punish the student?

I’m pretty sure they would politely remind me to put on a mask. There’s 100% compliance so it would be weird.

I pick up and drop off at ITDS. There was a time with 100% compliance with parents masking outside 6 feet away from each other. More and more parents are dropping the nonsense.

I stopped masking outside at pick up but still see the majority of parents outside with their heavy duty masks. It’s ridiculous at this point

Maybe I am one of the parents you see. I only have one kind of mask in rotation, so it’s a KN95 that I throw on for a few minutes so I can show my kids and other kids that while this rule is in effect, adults follow it too. With outdoor masking now optional, I will be without it. But until then, it didn’t seem appropriate to pass along a message that a rule I didn’t like didn’t apply to me.

I find this view interesting. So you want to teach your kids to blindly follow rules that make absolutely no sense scientifically according to the actual health officials? I don’t under this from a parenting perspective but I want my kids to be rational and understand when “authorities” are wrong. As they often are…

Yes, I do. That's part of living in a civil society. We're not "blindly" following the rules. We're choosing to follow them for various reasons that make sense to us. Not everything is about science, some of it is about social relationships and the social contract. We all sometimes follow rules that we don't think are scientifically sensible and that some actual heath officials dislike. Probably some rules that you think are super important and well-founded, other people think are stupid. I teach my kids to pick their battles and take a stand when it is truly important, and that in general they should follow the rules unless they have a compelling reason. And I don't want every random person making their own scientific judgments.

If you're doing a thing you know is stupid to make other people feel comfortable, and they're doing a thing they know is stupid to make you feel comfortable, then all you have is a bunch of people doing something they know is stupid and isn't actually making anyone feel comfortable.

I don't think it's stupid. I think it doesn't make a difference but is not harmful (talking about masks at pickup and dropoff) and is not overly burdensome. So it's worth it for the sake of other people's comfort and the spirit of compromise. And the rule that the school makes the rules and doesn't change them without deliberation seems like a good one.

Science tells us all kinds of crazy things that schools don't follow, btw. Are you going to get wound up about all of them?

I don't get wound up about this because I just don't do it. But you're missing that the dynamic you're creating when you condescendingly assume that other parents are scientifically illiterate and you mask for their comfort is that they're doing that for you, too. And then the school looks at you and also assumes that your masking actually says something about your own comfort levels. A

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Anonymous wrote:I told my 4 yr old daughter she could take her mask off outside when she goes back to school (at ITDS) on Monday and she was ecstatic. She would love to unmask if she could.

Our school has an elaborate phased *outdoor* unmasking policy over a period of weeks. It’s a waste of resources. And parents must still mask up outdoors. Only in DC… I’d be OK if that were the indoor unmasking plan but nope that’s not even on the table yet.

Serious question: What would actually happen if a parent was outside and unmasked? Would they punish the student?

I’m pretty sure they would politely remind me to put on a mask. There’s 100% compliance so it would be weird.

I pick up and drop off at ITDS. There was a time with 100% compliance with parents masking outside 6 feet away from each other. More and more parents are dropping the nonsense.

I stopped masking outside at pick up but still see the majority of parents outside with their heavy duty masks. It’s ridiculous at this point

Maybe I am one of the parents you see. I only have one kind of mask in rotation, so it’s a KN95 that I throw on for a few minutes so I can show my kids and other kids that while this rule is in effect, adults follow it too. With outdoor masking now optional, I will be without it. But until then, it didn’t seem appropriate to pass along a message that a rule I didn’t like didn’t apply to me.

I find this view interesting. So you want to teach your kids to blindly follow rules that make absolutely no sense scientifically according to the actual health officials? I don’t under this from a parenting perspective but I want my kids to be rational and understand when “authorities” are wrong. As they often are…

Yes, I do. That's part of living in a civil society. We're not "blindly" following the rules. We're choosing to follow them for various reasons that make sense to us. Not everything is about science, some of it is about social relationships and the social contract. We all sometimes follow rules that we don't think are scientifically sensible and that some actual heath officials dislike. Probably some rules that you think are super important and well-founded, other people think are stupid. I teach my kids to pick their battles and take a stand when it is truly important, and that in general they should follow the rules unless they have a compelling reason. And I don't want every random person making their own scientific judgments.

If you're doing a thing you know is stupid to make other people feel comfortable, and they're doing a thing they know is stupid to make you feel comfortable, then all you have is a bunch of people doing something they know is stupid and isn't actually making anyone feel comfortable.

I don't think it's stupid. I think it doesn't make a difference but is not harmful (talking about masks at pickup and dropoff) and is not overly burdensome. So it's worth it for the sake of other people's comfort and the spirit of compromise. And the rule that the school makes the rules and doesn't change them without deliberation seems like a good one.

Science tells us all kinds of crazy things that schools don't follow, btw. Are you going to get wound up about all of them?

I don't get wound up about this because I just don't do it. But you're missing that the dynamic you're creating when you condescendingly assume that other parents are scientifically illiterate and you mask for their comfort is that they're doing that for you, too. And then the school looks at you and also assumes that your masking actually says something about your own comfort levels. A

Sorry but some people really do think it matters. Read the IFA listserv and you'll hear from them. I think it's silly, but they definitely exist.

What about all the other science stuff related to education? Are you on your high horse about each and every school policy choice that doesn't quite match? Or just this one?

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Anonymous wrote:I told my 4 yr old daughter she could take her mask off outside when she goes back to school (at ITDS) on Monday and she was ecstatic. She would love to unmask if she could.

Our school has an elaborate phased *outdoor* unmasking policy over a period of weeks. It’s a waste of resources. And parents must still mask up outdoors. Only in DC… I’d be OK if that were the indoor unmasking plan but nope that’s not even on the table yet.

Serious question: What would actually happen if a parent was outside and unmasked? Would they punish the student?

I’m pretty sure they would politely remind me to put on a mask. There’s 100% compliance so it would be weird.

I pick up and drop off at ITDS. There was a time with 100% compliance with parents masking outside 6 feet away from each other. More and more parents are dropping the nonsense.

I stopped masking outside at pick up but still see the majority of parents outside with their heavy duty masks. It’s ridiculous at this point

Maybe I am one of the parents you see. I only have one kind of mask in rotation, so it’s a KN95 that I throw on for a few minutes so I can show my kids and other kids that while this rule is in effect, adults follow it too. With outdoor masking now optional, I will be without it. But until then, it didn’t seem appropriate to pass along a message that a rule I didn’t like didn’t apply to me.

I find this view interesting. So you want to teach your kids to blindly follow rules that make absolutely no sense scientifically according to the actual health officials? I don’t under this from a parenting perspective but I want my kids to be rational and understand when “authorities” are wrong. As they often are…

Yes, I do. That's part of living in a civil society. We're not "blindly" following the rules. We're choosing to follow them for various reasons that make sense to us. Not everything is about science, some of it is about social relationships and the social contract. We all sometimes follow rules that we don't think are scientifically sensible and that some actual heath officials dislike. Probably some rules that you think are super important and well-founded, other people think are stupid. I teach my kids to pick their battles and take a stand when it is truly important, and that in general they should follow the rules unless they have a compelling reason. And I don't want every random person making their own scientific judgments.

If you're doing a thing you know is stupid to make other people feel comfortable, and they're doing a thing they know is stupid to make you feel comfortable, then all you have is a bunch of people doing something they know is stupid and isn't actually making anyone feel comfortable.

Sounds like organized religion, lol.

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Anonymous wrote:I told my 4 yr old daughter she could take her mask off outside when she goes back to school (at ITDS) on Monday and she was ecstatic. She would love to unmask if she could.

Our school has an elaborate phased *outdoor* unmasking policy over a period of weeks. It’s a waste of resources. And parents must still mask up outdoors. Only in DC… I’d be OK if that were the indoor unmasking plan but nope that’s not even on the table yet.

Serious question: What would actually happen if a parent was outside and unmasked? Would they punish the student?

I’m pretty sure they would politely remind me to put on a mask. There’s 100% compliance so it would be weird.

I pick up and drop off at ITDS. There was a time with 100% compliance with parents masking outside 6 feet away from each other. More and more parents are dropping the nonsense.

I stopped masking outside at pick up but still see the majority of parents outside with their heavy duty masks. It’s ridiculous at this point

Maybe I am one of the parents you see. I only have one kind of mask in rotation, so it’s a KN95 that I throw on for a few minutes so I can show my kids and other kids that while this rule is in effect, adults follow it too. With outdoor masking now optional, I will be without it. But until then, it didn’t seem appropriate to pass along a message that a rule I didn’t like didn’t apply to me.

I find this view interesting. So you want to teach your kids to blindly follow rules that make absolutely no sense scientifically according to the actual health officials? I don’t under this from a parenting perspective but I want my kids to be rational and understand when “authorities” are wrong. As they often are…

Yes, I do. That's part of living in a civil society. We're not "blindly" following the rules. We're choosing to follow them for various reasons that make sense to us. Not everything is about science, some of it is about social relationships and the social contract. We all sometimes follow rules that we don't think are scientifically sensible and that some actual heath officials dislike. Probably some rules that you think are super important and well-founded, other people think are stupid. I teach my kids to pick their battles and take a stand when it is truly important, and that in general they should follow the rules unless they have a compelling reason. And I don't want every random person making their own scientific judgments.

If you're doing a thing you know is stupid to make other people feel comfortable, and they're doing a thing they know is stupid to make you feel comfortable, then all you have is a bunch of people doing something they know is stupid and isn't actually making anyone feel comfortable.

I don't think it's stupid. I think it doesn't make a difference but is not harmful (talking about masks at pickup and dropoff) and is not overly burdensome. So it's worth it for the sake of other people's comfort and the spirit of compromise. And the rule that the school makes the rules and doesn't change them without deliberation seems like a good one.

Science tells us all kinds of crazy things that schools don't follow, btw. Are you going to get wound up about all of them?

I don't get wound up about this because I just don't do it. But you're missing that the dynamic you're creating when you condescendingly assume that other parents are scientifically illiterate and you mask for their comfort is that they're doing that for you, too. And then the school looks at you and also assumes that your masking actually says something about your own comfort levels. A

Sorry but some people really do think it matters. Read the IFA listserv and you'll hear from them. I think it's silly, but they definitely exist.

What about all the other science stuff related to education? Are you on your high horse about each and every school policy choice that doesn't quite match? Or just this one?

Can you list some? Masking outside is so embarrassing and outside mainstream norm for its scientific illiteracy, but I would be interested in hearing others.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd be nervous about their science curriculum.

oh come on.

Thinking that a cloth mask on a three year old for eight hours a day is an effective strategy even after the CDC has explicitly said its a face ornament, is in the same territory if climate change denialism, so yes.

So get a better mask. Problem solved.

An N95 on a three year old for almost eight hours (comes off for naps). Lol. There’s a reason health experts in every other country in the world chose differently, but I’m sure the parents of a small DC charter know better.

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Anonymous wrote:I told my 4 yr old daughter she could take her mask off outside when she goes back to school (at ITDS) on Monday and she was ecstatic. She would love to unmask if she could.

Our school has an elaborate phased *outdoor* unmasking policy over a period of weeks. It’s a waste of resources. And parents must still mask up outdoors. Only in DC… I’d be OK if that were the indoor unmasking plan but nope that’s not even on the table yet.

Serious question: What would actually happen if a parent was outside and unmasked? Would they punish the student?

I’m pretty sure they would politely remind me to put on a mask. There’s 100% compliance so it would be weird.

I pick up and drop off at ITDS. There was a time with 100% compliance with parents masking outside 6 feet away from each other. More and more parents are dropping the nonsense.

I stopped masking outside at pick up but still see the majority of parents outside with their heavy duty masks. It’s ridiculous at this point

Maybe I am one of the parents you see. I only have one kind of mask in rotation, so it’s a KN95 that I throw on for a few minutes so I can show my kids and other kids that while this rule is in effect, adults follow it too. With outdoor masking now optional, I will be without it. But until then, it didn’t seem appropriate to pass along a message that a rule I didn’t like didn’t apply to me.

I find this view interesting. So you want to teach your kids to blindly follow rules that make absolutely no sense scientifically according to the actual health officials? I don’t under this from a parenting perspective but I want my kids to be rational and understand when “authorities” are wrong. As they often are…

Yes, I do. That's part of living in a civil society. We're not "blindly" following the rules. We're choosing to follow them for various reasons that make sense to us. Not everything is about science, some of it is about social relationships and the social contract. We all sometimes follow rules that we don't think are scientifically sensible and that some actual heath officials dislike. Probably some rules that you think are super important and well-founded, other people think are stupid. I teach my kids to pick their battles and take a stand when it is truly important, and that in general they should follow the rules unless they have a compelling reason. And I don't want every random person making their own scientific judgments.

If you're doing a thing you know is stupid to make other people feel comfortable, and they're doing a thing they know is stupid to make you feel comfortable, then all you have is a bunch of people doing something they know is stupid and isn't actually making anyone feel comfortable.

I don't think it's stupid. I think it doesn't make a difference but is not harmful (talking about masks at pickup and dropoff) and is not overly burdensome. So it's worth it for the sake of other people's comfort and the spirit of compromise. And the rule that the school makes the rules and doesn't change them without deliberation seems like a good one.

Science tells us all kinds of crazy things that schools don't follow, btw. Are you going to get wound up about all of them?

I don't get wound up about this because I just don't do it. But you're missing that the dynamic you're creating when you condescendingly assume that other parents are scientifically illiterate and you mask for their comfort is that they're doing that for you, too. And then the school looks at you and also assumes that your masking actually says something about your own comfort levels. A

Sorry but some people really do think it matters. Read the IFA listserv and you'll hear from them. I think it's silly, but they definitely exist.

What about all the other science stuff related to education? Are you on your high horse about each and every school policy choice that doesn't quite match? Or just this one?

Can you list some? Masking outside is so embarrassing and outside mainstream norm for its scientific illiteracy, but I would be interested in hearing others.

Well, one example would be their use of the Lucy Calkins reading curriculum until even the person who created it acknowledged that it wasn't good and had to change. Seems like a much bigger deal than wanting adults to wear masks for a few minutes. But if every parent instructed their child not to comply with reading lessons because they disagreed with the choice of curriculum, that would be unworkable.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/15/us/reading-phonics.html

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Anonymous wrote:I told my 4 yr old daughter she could take her mask off outside when she goes back to school (at ITDS) on Monday and she was ecstatic. She would love to unmask if she could.

Our school has an elaborate phased *outdoor* unmasking policy over a period of weeks. It’s a waste of resources. And parents must still mask up outdoors. Only in DC… I’d be OK if that were the indoor unmasking plan but nope that’s not even on the table yet.

Serious question: What would actually happen if a parent was outside and unmasked? Would they punish the student?

I’m pretty sure they would politely remind me to put on a mask. There’s 100% compliance so it would be weird.

I pick up and drop off at ITDS. There was a time with 100% compliance with parents masking outside 6 feet away from each other. More and more parents are dropping the nonsense.

I stopped masking outside at pick up but still see the majority of parents outside with their heavy duty masks. It’s ridiculous at this point

Maybe I am one of the parents you see. I only have one kind of mask in rotation, so it’s a KN95 that I throw on for a few minutes so I can show my kids and other kids that while this rule is in effect, adults follow it too. With outdoor masking now optional, I will be without it. But until then, it didn’t seem appropriate to pass along a message that a rule I didn’t like didn’t apply to me.

I find this view interesting. So you want to teach your kids to blindly follow rules that make absolutely no sense scientifically according to the actual health officials? I don’t under this from a parenting perspective but I want my kids to be rational and understand when “authorities” are wrong. As they often are…

Yes, I do. That's part of living in a civil society. We're not "blindly" following the rules. We're choosing to follow them for various reasons that make sense to us. Not everything is about science, some of it is about social relationships and the social contract. We all sometimes follow rules that we don't think are scientifically sensible and that some actual heath officials dislike. Probably some rules that you think are super important and well-founded, other people think are stupid. I teach my kids to pick their battles and take a stand when it is truly important, and that in general they should follow the rules unless they have a compelling reason. And I don't want every random person making their own scientific judgments.

If you're doing a thing you know is stupid to make other people feel comfortable, and they're doing a thing they know is stupid to make you feel comfortable, then all you have is a bunch of people doing something they know is stupid and isn't actually making anyone feel comfortable.

I don't think it's stupid. I think it doesn't make a difference but is not harmful (talking about masks at pickup and dropoff) and is not overly burdensome. So it's worth it for the sake of other people's comfort and the spirit of compromise. And the rule that the school makes the rules and doesn't change them without deliberation seems like a good one.

Science tells us all kinds of crazy things that schools don't follow, btw. Are you going to get wound up about all of them?

I don't get wound up about this because I just don't do it. But you're missing that the dynamic you're creating when you condescendingly assume that other parents are scientifically illiterate and you mask for their comfort is that they're doing that for you, too. And then the school looks at you and also assumes that your masking actually says something about your own comfort levels. A

Sorry but some people really do think it matters. Read the IFA listserv and you'll hear from them. I think it's silly, but they definitely exist.

What about all the other science stuff related to education? Are you on your high horse about each and every school policy choice that doesn't quite match? Or just this one?

Can you list some? Masking outside is so embarrassing and outside mainstream norm for its scientific illiteracy, but I would be interested in hearing others.

Well, one example would be their use of the Lucy Calkins reading curriculum until even the person who created it acknowledged that it wasn't good and had to change. Seems like a much bigger deal than wanting adults to wear masks for a few minutes. But if every parent instructed their child not to comply with reading lessons because they disagreed with the choice of curriculum, that would be unworkable.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/15/us/reading-phonics.html

Poster who periodically shows up to dump on Lucy Calkins - I love you and we should hang.

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Some of this conversation seems to ignore the fact that two things can exist at the same time: we can show our kids that no one is above the rules, AND have critical conversations at home about whether or not we agree with the rules, what to do if a rule is truly unfair and oppressive, what science tells us, etc. We aren't lemmings blindly following each other off of cliffs. We believe we are part of a community. If a masking rule (which, let's not forget, up until a few weeks ago, ALL schools were following!) felt so truly oppressive to us, we would find a new school option. And, this school (and others I imagine) helps equip kids for those challenges and reflections too. At the beginning of the year, MS students felt that some portions of the dress code were unfair and discriminatory. They took their case to the administration which received the feedback, processed it, and changed the dress code. That's a more important win for me than not wearing a mask at pick up.