S/O Can we talk about how bad Lin-Manuel Miranda's music is?

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Nothing more cringey than people who like to shout about how much they hate popular things. Yeah, we get it, you are above us all.

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Maybe you are too old for his music?

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Anonymous wrote:Succession said it best:

Tom: “Oh, don’t worry Greg. This is a nice, safe space where you don’t have to pretend to like ‘Hamilton.'”
Greg: “…I like ‘Hamilton.'”
Tom: “Sure you do. We all do.”

My DH and I fell OUT at this line. I don't normally identify with the characters on Succession but that was a real point of recognition.

I like Hamilton, too. We all do.

It's fine to not like Hamilton, but the reason none of the people at the far-right meeting of greedy super-capitalists and fascists like it is bc they are far-right super-capitalists and fascists. Greg actually likes Hamilton bc he is not that (I think Tom actually does too and is just trying to fit in, but anyway). The joke is not that normal ppl pretend to like Hamilton, it's that normal people like it and racist right-wingers pretend to when they are around normals.

Yes, thank you for explaining this because I didn't understand what Succession or that episode was about at all

I disagree with your analysis though, because (1) Greg is a follower who just adopts other people's taste, this is one of the defining aspects of his personality, so he "likes" Hamilton in the same way he "likes" that crazy expensive watch Kendall tricked him into buying -- because someone told him to, and (2) the idea that you conclude Tom must actually like Hamilton but is pretending not to, while also explaining to Greg that the great thing about this dumb fasicst meeting is that you can stop pretending to like Hamilton, is so convoluted as to be nonsensical.

It's just a funny line from a funny show. There are lots of people who don't like Hamilton, or just don't care about it either way. But because Hamilton has become an avatar for being woke or anti-racist (for some reason? I actually think LMM's decision to just glide right over the fact that all these people owned slaves and then cast POC in the roles might not be that useful in the long run for forcing people to contend with founding principles of this country but anyway). It's a joke about that. I'm not a fasciest and wouldn't go to a far-right rich person party. But I would love to go to a party where it would be okay to say "Huh, Hamilton is not my thing" and not have people assume I'm a fascist. So the line was funny to me.

For crying out loud.

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Anonymous wrote:No rhythm? How do you define rhythm?

This is why I think OP is narcissistic, its like objectively silly to say he has no rhythms or melodies. We Don't Talk About Bruno, love it or hate it, is an INCREDIBLY complex song rhymically and melodically, from a technical musical standpoint. Like it, don't like it, whatever, that's personal. But that song takes like 5 distinct narrative verses and then layers them for a united harmonious crescendo (and that is like, not a metaphorical crescendo to be dramatic but what crescendo actually means when you are composing a song).

Interesting take.I think you’re right, We don’t talk about Bruno is brilliant from a technical point of view - multiple voices entering and exiting, layering etc....crescendoing.... but it doesn’t move me emotionally at all. Not the way Joni Mitchell’s Both sides now or River, or even Frozen’s Let it go.
It’s the same with rap - it’s cool but I don’t feel anything.

So I hear you OP! I also didn’t love Hamilton. Saw it once and that was enough. But I have seen Wicked 5 times now in London, NYC, Toronto. And I would see it again.

I find "It's Quiet Uptown" incredibly emotional. Plenty of other parts of "Hamilton" moved me, too, but that song is just devastating.

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Anonymous wrote:Broadway music for the NPR set - haha. yes!

I also hate musicals and yet watched Hamilton and still don't like musicals. I also felt "yelled at"!

But Moana was the worst of the worst - I literally was groaning in psychic pain in the movie theater.

I really feel like you Moana haters have to give us some insight into what did not speak to you. I literally feel like it is a modern masterpiece, and I don't expect everyone to have the same opinion of course but I am struggling to imagine what would inspire actual visceral dislike in that movie.

A modern masterpiece? Maybe I need to try to re-watch it. I mean - I really really didn't like it, but if someone honestly thinks that it's THAT good, I probably owe it another viewing.

(I don't like musicals where the PLOT stands still for the characters to sing a song. I didn't like the setting. The big fat guy who sings the stupid thank you song was irritating. I didn't like the relationship between the girl and her dad. The water as a character was eyerolling (like the ice was in Frozen - also so so so SO hard to sit through for me). I am just not a fan of musicals, and Moana was like a musical for musical lovers, it seemed).

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Succession said it best:

Tom: “Oh, don’t worry Greg. This is a nice, safe space where you don’t have to pretend to like ‘Hamilton.'”
Greg: “…I like ‘Hamilton.'”
Tom: “Sure you do. We all do.”

My DH and I fell OUT at this line. I don't normally identify with the characters on Succession but that was a real point of recognition.

I like Hamilton, too. We all do.

It's fine to not like Hamilton, but the reason none of the people at the far-right meeting of greedy super-capitalists and fascists like it is bc they are far-right super-capitalists and fascists. Greg actually likes Hamilton bc he is not that (I think Tom actually does too and is just trying to fit in, but anyway). The joke is not that normal ppl pretend to like Hamilton, it's that normal people like it and racist right-wingers pretend to when they are around normals.

Yes, thank you for explaining this because I didn't understand what Succession or that episode was about at all

I disagree with your analysis though, because (1) Greg is a follower who just adopts other people's taste, this is one of the defining aspects of his personality, so he "likes" Hamilton in the same way he "likes" that crazy expensive watch Kendall tricked him into buying -- because someone told him to, and (2) the idea that you conclude Tom must actually like Hamilton but is pretending not to, while also explaining to Greg that the great thing about this dumb fasicst meeting is that you can stop pretending to like Hamilton, is so convoluted as to be nonsensical.

It's just a funny line from a funny show. There are lots of people who don't like Hamilton, or just don't care about it either way. But because Hamilton has become an avatar for being woke or anti-racist (for some reason? I actually think LMM's decision to just glide right over the fact that all these people owned slaves and then cast POC in the roles might not be that useful in the long run for forcing people to contend with founding principles of this country but anyway). It's a joke about that. I'm not a fasciest and wouldn't go to a far-right rich person party. But I would love to go to a party where it would be okay to say "Huh, Hamilton is not my thing" and not have people assume I'm a fascist. So the line was funny to me.

For crying out loud.

But...the joke is that they ARE fascists

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I mean if you’re going to conflate “I don’t like it” with “bad” people are going to disagree, OP. But pretty sure you did that on purpose so have fun with your thread.

I love LMM’s music but I don’t have any beef with people who hate it. Music taste is super personal.

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't get in trouble with some gross, me too-esque stuff?

Surprised he is still so widely worshipped.

No me too stuff. In the Heights got criticized for only having light skinned latino actors. He apologized.

I was thinking about him acting kind of lascivious in a video he took in his bed. I didn't know much more but apparently there's a trend of Gen Z hating him:
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/lin-manuel-miranda-hamilton-tiktok-meme-1036975/

As suspected, we skew old here on DCUM! LMM is everything Gen Z hates about us!

He's gotten wrongly accused of using the n-word and speaking in a sexually explicit manner. The clips used are from audiobook clips. He's done audiobook narration for The Brief Wondrous Life of Oscar Wao and the Aristotle and Dante series. I'm surprised the second Artistotle and Dante book hasn't been taken out of context more as he narrates a gay teenager.

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Anonymous wrote:Broadway music for the NPR set - haha. yes!

I also hate musicals and yet watched Hamilton and still don't like musicals. I also felt "yelled at"!

But Moana was the worst of the worst - I literally was groaning in psychic pain in the movie theater.

I think maybe the problem is that ppl expect waaaay too much from children's movies? They are movies for children...it's not going to be Citizen Kane. The best you are going to get is a couple of winking jokes aimed at the parents and maybe a catchy song or two.

Taking your kids to see a Disney movie is an activity you do to entertain your kids. I don't understand how doing that causes you "psychic pain" unless your expectations are extremely out of whack

I love animated movies and I’m over age 10. I don’t even remember any of the songs from Moana. But there are many beloved songs from other Disney and non-Disney movies.
Let it go
Beauty and the Beast
Rainbow connection
Aladdin

Maybe watch Moana again? I think it would be hard to argue that You're Welcome and How Far I'll Go are not in the same category as those others

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Anonymous wrote: Nothing more cringey than people who like to shout about how much they hate popular things. Yeah, we get it, you are above us all.

LOL - I agree. OP-- we get that you are "too cool for school" living out in Vienna driving your minivan.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Broadway music for the NPR set - haha. yes!

I also hate musicals and yet watched Hamilton and still don't like musicals. I also felt "yelled at"!

But Moana was the worst of the worst - I literally was groaning in psychic pain in the movie theater.

I think maybe the problem is that ppl expect waaaay too much from children's movies? They are movies for children...it's not going to be Citizen Kane. The best you are going to get is a couple of winking jokes aimed at the parents and maybe a catchy song or two.

Taking your kids to see a Disney movie is an activity you do to entertain your kids. I don't understand how doing that causes you "psychic pain" unless your expectations are extremely out of whack

I love animated movies and I’m over age 10. I don’t even remember any of the songs from Moana. But there are many beloved songs from other Disney and non-Disney movies.
Let it go
Beauty and the Beast
Rainbow connection
Aladdin

Maybe watch Moana again? I think it would be hard to argue that You're Welcome and How Far I'll Go are not in the same category as those others

The reprise of How Far I'll Go is right up there for me in the absolute best disney songs of all time. I would not put You're Welcome there but more like, Under the Sea etc, strong secondary songs.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you the person arguing with psychotic passion that encanto is a TERRIBLE movie and that it is LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE anyone liked it as much as they are saying?

What's your deal? Did LMM spill his coffee on you in an elevator or something?

Plot twist: OP is Larry David.

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Lol. Can’t stop laughing about how people here defended Hamilton as hip hop because Common declined to sh!t on it.

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Anonymous wrote:I just don’t understand why he added Lin to his name. His music is fine. I can’t get Bruno out of my head.

He didn’t add it, it’s his given name. I was just reading his Wikipedia page and holy cow, I had no idea how many awards and honors this man has won, not only for his theatre productions but also for his acting!

His acting is entirely unremarkable. Nearly everyone else in his shows is a better actor than he is.