Discrimination against Asians

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"If having to score 140 points higher on the SATs is the worst that is happening, I don’t know? Is that noteworthy?"

I don't know, ask the kids that are studying if it matters to them?
But anyway, if it dosn't matter to you, why are you bothering to read this thread?

If people of any race want to pay for extensive prep courses, they should expect to receive a test that reflects this. The students who are unable to pay for prep courses should receive a basic test, the preppers receive a modified test based on the number of prep hours paid for by their parents. Or better yet, eliminate the useless test.

[Anonymous]

Mismatch theory anyone?

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/the-needlessly-polarized-mismatch-theory-debate/420321/

Mismatch is a book by Richard Sander, interesting reading, especially with the contraversy surrounding the new TJ admissions standards.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"If having to score 140 points higher on the SATs is the worst that is happening, I don’t know? Is that noteworthy?"

I don't know, ask the kids that are studying if it matters to them?
But anyway, if it dosn't matter to you, why are you bothering to read this thread?

If people of any race want to pay for extensive prep courses, they should expect to receive a test that reflects this. The students who are unable to pay for prep courses should receive a basic test, the preppers receive a modified test based on the number of prep hours paid for by their parents. Or better yet, eliminate the useless test.

Or better yet, eliminate all tests not whichever is convenient for you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Umm. . . you can't hide an Italian accent, an Irish brogue, red hair, olive skin . . . Discrimination against immigrants from Europe was very prevalent. Please learn history before trying to make a whiteness argument.

Another white argument. Look at the top actors in Hollywood and notice that many of them are from England and Australia, and often play characters with American accents. Want me to list a bunch of them? Comparing the European immigrant experience to blacks, hispanics, Native American, Chinese, Japanese, etc. is a joke.

Learn some history: https://www.history.com/news/when-america-despised-the-irish-the-19th-centurys-refugee-crisis

White privilege arguing at its finest. Irish discrimination? How many other immigrant groups in American has this occurred: Immigrants move to U.S. (1830s); 2nd generation child (1858-1929) who has been allowed to prosper in business and politics; 3rd generation anti-Semite (1888-1969) who used family connections to prosper in business, government, and Hollywood; 4th generation U.S. president (1917-1963) and siblings who had powerful careers in government. You're right, the Irish faced the same ceiling as POC immigrant groups.

And by the way, as for the fake news:
"No Irish Need Apply": A Myth of Victimization
https://rjensen.people.uic.edu/no-irish.htm

/gas face

DP. What are you going on about? None of this toxic behavior is going to make anyone have any more sympathy for Asians fighting as hard as they can to keep everyone else out of a magnet school. Your TJ is dead. None is going to bring it back now - certainly not this - and you’re ensuring people will vote against Asian political candidates in the future if you actually ever muster the courage to run.

This kind of thinking totally escapes me. How exactly are Asians fighting hard to keep everyone else out of a magnet school? Don't all students take the same test?

Say there is a public high school cheerleading team/ rowing team/ lax team/ debating team etc. (all competitive) that is 90% white and someone suggested adjusting the racial makeup of the teams so that it is more reflective of the local population, by lottery. Of course you are going to get push back- and is anyone going to rant against "whites fighting hard to keep all other races out of these teams"? Of course not.

[Anonymous]

"If people of any race want to pay for extensive prep courses, they should expect to receive a test that reflects this. The students who are unable to pay for prep courses should receive a basic test, the preppers receive a modified test based on the number of prep hours paid for by their parents. Or better yet, eliminate the useless test."

Can you explain to me which tests are acceptable to prep for and which tests are not? MCAT, SAT, LSAT? Med boards, Bar exam, CPA? Oxford and Cambridge have math specific entrance exams?
Should all test prep be banned? How about interview prep for jobs or college admissions - any prep allowed for that?
I'm sincerely asking, I don't understand why prepping is seen as bad.
Is it an economic issue? There are many parents of all colors who scrimp and save to pay for test prep. There are non profits offering free tutoring. The schools should offer free tutoring to any student who wants to prep. Parents with disposable income of course have it easier, they can afford test prep.
Outside of the economic issues, parents have to be willing to prioritize schooling to their children. I'm not sure how to equalize that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"If people of any race want to pay for extensive prep courses, they should expect to receive a test that reflects this. The students who are unable to pay for prep courses should receive a basic test, the preppers receive a modified test based on the number of prep hours paid for by their parents. Or better yet, eliminate the useless test."

Can you explain to me which tests are acceptable to prep for and which tests are not? MCAT, SAT, LSAT? Med boards, Bar exam, CPA? Oxford and Cambridge have math specific entrance exams?
Should all test prep be banned? How about interview prep for jobs or college admissions - any prep allowed for that?
I'm sincerely asking, I don't understand why prepping is seen as bad.
Is it an economic issue? There are many parents of all colors who scrimp and save to pay for test prep. There are non profits offering free tutoring. The schools should offer free tutoring to any student who wants to prep. Parents with disposable income of course have it easier, they can afford test prep.
Outside of the economic issues, parents have to be willing to prioritize schooling to their children. I'm not sure how to equalize that.

You equalize through a lottery according to the Superintendent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Umm. . . you can't hide an Italian accent, an Irish brogue, red hair, olive skin . . . Discrimination against immigrants from Europe was very prevalent. Please learn history before trying to make a whiteness argument.

Another white argument. Look at the top actors in Hollywood and notice that many of them are from England and Australia, and often play characters with American accents. Want me to list a bunch of them? Comparing the European immigrant experience to blacks, hispanics, Native American, Chinese, Japanese, etc. is a joke.

Learn some history: https://www.history.com/news/when-america-despised-the-irish-the-19th-centurys-refugee-crisis

White privilege arguing at its finest. Irish discrimination? How many other immigrant groups in American has this occurred: Immigrants move to U.S. (1830s); 2nd generation child (1858-1929) who has been allowed to prosper in business and politics; 3rd generation anti-Semite (1888-1969) who used family connections to prosper in business, government, and Hollywood; 4th generation U.S. president (1917-1963) and siblings who had powerful careers in government. You're right, the Irish faced the same ceiling as POC immigrant groups.

And by the way, as for the fake news:
"No Irish Need Apply": A Myth of Victimization
https://rjensen.people.uic.edu/no-irish.htm

/gas face

DP. What are you going on about? None of this toxic behavior is going to make anyone have any more sympathy for Asians fighting as hard as they can to keep everyone else out of a magnet school. Your TJ is dead. None is going to bring it back now - certainly not this - and you’re ensuring people will vote against Asian political candidates in the future if you actually ever muster the courage to run.

This kind of thinking totally escapes me. How exactly are Asians fighting hard to keep everyone else out of a magnet school? Don't all students take the same test?

Say there is a public high school cheerleading team/ rowing team/ lax team/ debating team etc. (all competitive) that is 90% white and someone suggested adjusting the racial makeup of the teams so that it is more reflective of the local population, by lottery. Of course you are going to get push back- and is anyone going to rant against "whites fighting hard to keep all other races out of these teams"? Of course not.

They made a movie about it. The school is in Alexandria. They're going to change their name soon. Based on the uproar by white people, and the arguments about W-LIBERTY HS, lesson not learned I guess.

[Anonymous]

" What are you going on about? None of this toxic behavior is going to make anyone have any more sympathy for Asians fighting as hard as they can to keep everyone else out of a magnet school. Your TJ is dead. None is going to bring it back now - certainly not this - and you’re ensuring people will vote against Asian political candidates in the future if you actually ever muster the courage to run."

Toxic behavior? Lol, okay, we'll start looting and setting stuff on fire.

Lol, muster the courage to run? What courage does it take exactly? Why come to this thread and post when it has nothing to do with you. OR DOES IT? Did your kid fail to test in? Honestly, what other reason would you be so vested in a thread that has nothing to do with you.

[Anonymous]

"You equalize through a lottery according to the Superintendent."

Lol!

I know, so funny if only it wasn't true

[Anonymous]

Sigh. This used to be a nice place to live.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sigh. This used to be a nice place to live.

Until liberal dems went insane pandering to blacks. Time to riot, loot and burn.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"If people of any race want to pay for extensive prep courses, they should expect to receive a test that reflects this. The students who are unable to pay for prep courses should receive a basic test, the preppers receive a modified test based on the number of prep hours paid for by their parents. Or better yet, eliminate the useless test."

Can you explain to me which tests are acceptable to prep for and which tests are not? MCAT, SAT, LSAT? Med boards, Bar exam, CPA? Oxford and Cambridge have math specific entrance exams?
Should all test prep be banned? How about interview prep for jobs or college admissions - any prep allowed for that?
I'm sincerely asking, I don't understand why prepping is seen as bad.
Is it an economic issue? There are many parents of all colors who scrimp and save to pay for test prep. There are non profits offering free tutoring. The schools should offer free tutoring to any student who wants to prep. Parents with disposable income of course have it easier, they can afford test prep.
Outside of the economic issues, parents have to be willing to prioritize schooling to their children. I'm not sure how to equalize that.

Yes, bingo, it is an economic issue. The free prep courses provided aren’t of the same caliber as the expensive paid for prep courses, no comparison. You are basically paying for a high score. Not everyone is able to scrimp and save for a prep course, it’s just not economically feasible for many.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"If people of any race want to pay for extensive prep courses, they should expect to receive a test that reflects this. The students who are unable to pay for prep courses should receive a basic test, the preppers receive a modified test based on the number of prep hours paid for by their parents. Or better yet, eliminate the useless test."

Can you explain to me which tests are acceptable to prep for and which tests are not? MCAT, SAT, LSAT? Med boards, Bar exam, CPA? Oxford and Cambridge have math specific entrance exams?
Should all test prep be banned? How about interview prep for jobs or college admissions - any prep allowed for that?
I'm sincerely asking, I don't understand why prepping is seen as bad.
Is it an economic issue? There are many parents of all colors who scrimp and save to pay for test prep. There are non profits offering free tutoring. The schools should offer free tutoring to any student who wants to prep. Parents with disposable income of course have it easier, they can afford test prep.
Outside of the economic issues, parents have to be willing to prioritize schooling to their children. I'm not sure how to equalize that.

Yes, bingo, it is an economic issue. The free prep courses provided aren’t of the same caliber as the expensive paid for prep courses, no comparison. You are basically paying for a high score. Not everyone is able to scrimp and save for a prep course, it’s just not economically feasible for many.

Because they are dumb and lazy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"If people of any race want to pay for extensive prep courses, they should expect to receive a test that reflects this. The students who are unable to pay for prep courses should receive a basic test, the preppers receive a modified test based on the number of prep hours paid for by their parents. Or better yet, eliminate the useless test."

Can you explain to me which tests are acceptable to prep for and which tests are not? MCAT, SAT, LSAT? Med boards, Bar exam, CPA? Oxford and Cambridge have math specific entrance exams?
Should all test prep be banned? How about interview prep for jobs or college admissions - any prep allowed for that?
I'm sincerely asking, I don't understand why prepping is seen as bad.
Is it an economic issue? There are many parents of all colors who scrimp and save to pay for test prep. There are non profits offering free tutoring. The schools should offer free tutoring to any student who wants to prep. Parents with disposable income of course have it easier, they can afford test prep.
Outside of the economic issues, parents have to be willing to prioritize schooling to their children. I'm not sure how to equalize that.

Yes, bingo, it is an economic issue. The free prep courses provided aren’t of the same caliber as the expensive paid for prep courses, no comparison. You are basically paying for a high score. Not everyone is able to scrimp and save for a prep course, it’s just not economically feasible for many.

Because they are dumb and lazy.

Hey, if people, black, white, pink, green, want to pretend that prep courses don’t drastically help improve scores, go ahead. You are delusional.

[Anonymous]

"Yes, bingo, it is an economic issue. The free prep courses provided aren’t of the same caliber as the expensive paid for prep courses, no comparison. You are basically paying for a high score. Not everyone is able to scrimp and save for a prep course, it’s just not economically feasible for many."

I understand you can pay for better tutoring. But doesn't that apply to all testing?

I respect your opinion, but I disagree. I think society is never going to reach a utopian level of economic equality. There will always be economic disparity and I actually think the US is one of the best countries in the world regarding equality.

I think testing and blind admissions is the closest we can get to equality in terms of admission to competitive schools