Trump Threatens to Shutdown Government if No $ for his Border Wall

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Build the wall. The fact that Democrats once, only a few years ago, were all about building a physical barrier says all we need to know. For them, it is an effort to prevent Trump from fulfilling a promise.

Walls work. It was a wall that kept the thousands of migrants in the caravan out when they attempted to storm the border.
The areas along our southern border where fences and walls have been built - illegal immigration in those areas has dropped dramatically.

Why do Democrats want to make it easy for illegal aliens to enter our country?

Why do actual border patrol agents say that using the money to build the wall is not a good idea?

They don't. You are not fully informed.

Just a few citations:
https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/418214-border-patrol-official-says-trumps-proposed-border-would-be-absolutely-helpful
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/apr/2/border-patrol-agents-back-trump-wall-survey-finds/
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/border-patrol-agent-trumps-wall-is-the-best-way-to-end-to-the-humanitarian-crisis-on-our-southern-border

+ 1 A wall will be very successful in keeping out illegal aliens. Israel has cut illegal immigration by 99%, and also have ways of blocking the tunnels. We should do the same.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Build the wall. The fact that Democrats once, only a few years ago, were all about building a physical barrier says all we need to know. For them, it is an effort to prevent Trump from fulfilling a promise.

Walls work. It was a wall that kept the thousands of migrants in the caravan out when they attempted to storm the border.
The areas along our southern border where fences and walls have been built - illegal immigration in those areas has dropped dramatically.

Why do Democrats want to make it easy for illegal aliens to enter our country?

Why do actual border patrol agents say that using the money to build the wall is not a good idea?

They don't. You are not fully informed.

Just a few citations:
https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/418214-border-patrol-official-says-trumps-proposed-border-would-be-absolutely-helpful
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/apr/2/border-patrol-agents-back-trump-wall-survey-finds/
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/border-patrol-agent-trumps-wall-is-the-best-way-to-end-to-the-humanitarian-crisis-on-our-southern-border

+ 1 A wall will be very successful in keeping out illegal aliens. Israel has cut illegal immigration by 99%, and also have ways of blocking the tunnels. We should do the same.

There already is a wall...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Build the wall. The fact that Democrats once, only a few years ago, were all about building a physical barrier says all we need to know. For them, it is an effort to prevent Trump from fulfilling a promise.

Walls work. It was a wall that kept the thousands of migrants in the caravan out when they attempted to storm the border.
The areas along our southern border where fences and walls have been built - illegal immigration in those areas has dropped dramatically.

Why do Democrats want to make it easy for illegal aliens to enter our country?

Why do actual border patrol agents say that using the money to build the wall is not a good idea?

They don't. You are not fully informed.

Just a few citations:
https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/418214-border-patrol-official-says-trumps-proposed-border-would-be-absolutely-helpful
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/apr/2/border-patrol-agents-back-trump-wall-survey-finds/
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/border-patrol-agent-trumps-wall-is-the-best-way-to-end-to-the-humanitarian-crisis-on-our-southern-border

+ 1 A wall will be very successful in keeping out illegal aliens. Israel has cut illegal immigration by 99%, and also have ways of blocking the tunnels. We should do the same.

There already is a wall...

Huh?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Build the wall. The fact that Democrats once, only a few years ago, were all about building a physical barrier says all we need to know. For them, it is an effort to prevent Trump from fulfilling a promise.

Walls work. It was a wall that kept the thousands of migrants in the caravan out when they attempted to storm the border.
The areas along our southern border where fences and walls have been built - illegal immigration in those areas has dropped dramatically.

Why do Democrats want to make it easy for illegal aliens to enter our country?

Why do actual border patrol agents say that using the money to build the wall is not a good idea?

They don't. You are not fully informed.

Just a few citations:
https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/418214-border-patrol-official-says-trumps-proposed-border-would-be-absolutely-helpful
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/apr/2/border-patrol-agents-back-trump-wall-survey-finds/
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/border-patrol-agent-trumps-wall-is-the-best-way-to-end-to-the-humanitarian-crisis-on-our-southern-border

+ 1 A wall will be very successful in keeping out illegal aliens. Israel has cut illegal immigration by 99%, and also have ways of blocking the tunnels. We should do the same.

There already is a wall...

Huh?

As I stated.... these people are not fully informed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Build the wall. The fact that Democrats once, only a few years ago, were all about building a physical barrier says all we need to know. For them, it is an effort to prevent Trump from fulfilling a promise.

Walls work. It was a wall that kept the thousands of migrants in the caravan out when they attempted to storm the border.
The areas along our southern border where fences and walls have been built - illegal immigration in those areas has dropped dramatically.

Why do Democrats want to make it easy for illegal aliens to enter our country?

Why do actual border patrol agents say that using the money to build the wall is not a good idea?

They don't. You are not fully informed.

Just a few citations:
https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/418214-border-patrol-official-says-trumps-proposed-border-would-be-absolutely-helpful
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/apr/2/border-patrol-agents-back-trump-wall-survey-finds/
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/border-patrol-agent-trumps-wall-is-the-best-way-to-end-to-the-humanitarian-crisis-on-our-southern-border

I am informed. You are either misrepresenting or misinterpreting your links.

BP wants small sections reinforced judiciously, not "A WALL" (even made of slats) that Trump keeps proposing.

From your links:
1. "Without a doubt, we could use a wall in an area like that," he added.
2. "... they overwhelmingly supported adding a “wall system” in strategic locations …"
3. Link 3 is to a single agent's opinion piece on FOX, in which he apparently thinks $25 billion will complete Trump's "big, beautiful wall." C'mon. There's a slew of court cases for sorting eminent domain, porting in heaving machinery to extremely remote places without any current access, etc. At least your first two links were reasonable -- to an operations representative and to a survey. This guy is a wingnut.

Here's the head of the BP union (this is from 2017, but I think it's a realistic goal, and I think it's where compromise should be aiming):

INSKEEP: So how different is the border going to be assuming that the president's orders are carried out here?

JUDD: I don't think it's going to be - well, OK, it's going to be a lot more secure. But what we're talking about is we're talking about a wall in strategic locations. We're not talking about a great wall of the United States. We're not talking about a continuous wall from California down to Texas. We're talking about a wall in strategic locations which then helps the Border Patrol agents do their job better.

INSKEEP: Because there are some places that are so sparsely populated and the ground is so fierce or so harsh you really don't need...

JUDD: Correct, correct.

INSKEEP: So you've told us when you were on the program last time that about 10 to 15 percent of the border has serious fences in your view and maybe you'd double that under this proposal.

JUDD: That's what I'm thinking. Again, I don't have the exact specifics of what they're going to do, but I do know that they're looking in specific places like Laredo, Texas, where we have very, very little walls. Yet, the state that Laredo, Texas, borders is extremely violent. And so we're looking in locations like that. They're looking in locations like that, but I think it's going to be very effective.

That's where the Border Patrol started, going into this with the new presidency. I think it probably makes sense, although people in the know would have to sort out the details. But Trump kept going back to some massive impenetrable wall that would stretch from coast to coast, and that makes no sense. Really, it doesn't. Even if you can find some wingnut who's willing to fanboy him and grossly underestimate the cost.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Build the wall. The fact that Democrats once, only a few years ago, were all about building a physical barrier says all we need to know. For them, it is an effort to prevent Trump from fulfilling a promise.

Walls work. It was a wall that kept the thousands of migrants in the caravan out when they attempted to storm the border.
The areas along our southern border where fences and walls have been built - illegal immigration in those areas has dropped dramatically.

Why do Democrats want to make it easy for illegal aliens to enter our country?

Why do actual border patrol agents say that using the money to build the wall is not a good idea?

They don't. You are not fully informed.

Just a few citations:
https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/418214-border-patrol-official-says-trumps-proposed-border-would-be-absolutely-helpful
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/apr/2/border-patrol-agents-back-trump-wall-survey-finds/
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/border-patrol-agent-trumps-wall-is-the-best-way-to-end-to-the-humanitarian-crisis-on-our-southern-border

I am informed. You are either misrepresenting or misinterpreting your links.

BP wants small sections reinforced judiciously, not "A WALL" (even made of slats) that Trump keeps proposing.

From your links:
1. "Without a doubt, we could use a wall in an area like that," he added.
2. "... they overwhelmingly supported adding a “wall system” in strategic locations …"
3. Link 3 is to a single agent's opinion piece on FOX, in which he apparently thinks $25 billion will complete Trump's "big, beautiful wall." C'mon. There's a slew of court cases for sorting eminent domain, porting in heaving machinery to extremely remote places without any current access, etc. At least your first two links were reasonable -- to an operations representative and to a survey. This guy is a wingnut.

Here's the head of the BP union (this is from 2017, but I think it's a realistic goal, and I think it's where compromise should be aiming):

INSKEEP: So how different is the border going to be assuming that the president's orders are carried out here?

JUDD: I don't think it's going to be - well, OK, it's going to be a lot more secure. But what we're talking about is we're talking about a wall in strategic locations. We're not talking about a great wall of the United States. We're not talking about a continuous wall from California down to Texas. We're talking about a wall in strategic locations which then helps the Border Patrol agents do their job better.

INSKEEP: Because there are some places that are so sparsely populated and the ground is so fierce or so harsh you really don't need...

JUDD: Correct, correct.

INSKEEP: So you've told us when you were on the program last time that about 10 to 15 percent of the border has serious fences in your view and maybe you'd double that under this proposal.

JUDD: That's what I'm thinking. Again, I don't have the exact specifics of what they're going to do, but I do know that they're looking in specific places like Laredo, Texas, where we have very, very little walls. Yet, the state that Laredo, Texas, borders is extremely violent. And so we're looking in locations like that. They're looking in locations like that, but I think it's going to be very effective.

That's where the Border Patrol started, going into this with the new presidency. I think it probably makes sense, although people in the know would have to sort out the details. But Trump kept going back to some massive impenetrable wall that would stretch from coast to coast, and that makes no sense. Really, it doesn't. Even if you can find some wingnut who's willing to fanboy him and grossly underestimate the cost.

You are still uninformed. Trump has stated numerous times that a wall would not work in certain areas due to geography. The plans also include technology.
You are listening to left-wing media giving you part of the information.
And, your citations do not support your statement that border agents don't want a wall.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/13/mexico-border-wall-trump-plan-wont-need-full-border
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trumps-administration-working-build-stronger-borders/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Build the wall. The fact that Democrats once, only a few years ago, were all about building a physical barrier says all we need to know. For them, it is an effort to prevent Trump from fulfilling a promise.

Walls work. It was a wall that kept the thousands of migrants in the caravan out when they attempted to storm the border.
The areas along our southern border where fences and walls have been built - illegal immigration in those areas has dropped dramatically.

Why do Democrats want to make it easy for illegal aliens to enter our country?

Why do actual border patrol agents say that using the money to build the wall is not a good idea?

They don't. You are not fully informed.

Just a few citations:
https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/418214-border-patrol-official-says-trumps-proposed-border-would-be-absolutely-helpful
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/apr/2/border-patrol-agents-back-trump-wall-survey-finds/
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/border-patrol-agent-trumps-wall-is-the-best-way-to-end-to-the-humanitarian-crisis-on-our-southern-border

+ 1 A wall will be very successful in keeping out illegal aliens. Israel has cut illegal immigration by 99%, and also have ways of blocking the tunnels. We should do the same.

Israel's "wall" is about 90% fence, is only 400 miles long, is much closer to cities and towns for it's entire length, and there are about 175,000 troops available to patrol both sides of it. CBP has about 20,000 agents to cover 2,000 miles on only on side of the beautiful steel slat barrier.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Build the wall. The fact that Democrats once, only a few years ago, were all about building a physical barrier says all we need to know. For them, it is an effort to prevent Trump from fulfilling a promise.

Walls work. It was a wall that kept the thousands of migrants in the caravan out when they attempted to storm the border.
The areas along our southern border where fences and walls have been built - illegal immigration in those areas has dropped dramatically.

Why do Democrats want to make it easy for illegal aliens to enter our country?

Why do actual border patrol agents say that using the money to build the wall is not a good idea?

They don't. You are not fully informed.

Just a few citations:
https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/418214-border-patrol-official-says-trumps-proposed-border-would-be-absolutely-helpful
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/apr/2/border-patrol-agents-back-trump-wall-survey-finds/
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/border-patrol-agent-trumps-wall-is-the-best-way-to-end-to-the-humanitarian-crisis-on-our-southern-border

+ 1 A wall will be very successful in keeping out illegal aliens. Israel has cut illegal immigration by 99%, and also have ways of blocking the tunnels. We should do the same.

Israel's "wall" is about 90% fence, is only 400 miles long, is much closer to cities and towns for it's entire length, and there are about 175,000 troops available to patrol both sides of it. CBP has about 20,000 agents to cover 2,000 miles on only on side of the beautiful steel slat barrier.

More reason to make it a wall and not a fence. Coupled with technology, it is successful.
The areas along our border where a physical structure has been erected, illegal entry has dropped dramatically.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/08/22/homeland-security-secretary-border-walls-work-yuma-sector-proves-it-elaine-duke-column/586853001/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Build the wall. The fact that Democrats once, only a few years ago, were all about building a physical barrier says all we need to know. For them, it is an effort to prevent Trump from fulfilling a promise.

Walls work. It was a wall that kept the thousands of migrants in the caravan out when they attempted to storm the border.
The areas along our southern border where fences and walls have been built - illegal immigration in those areas has dropped dramatically.

Why do Democrats want to make it easy for illegal aliens to enter our country?

Why do actual border patrol agents say that using the money to build the wall is not a good idea?

They don't. You are not fully informed.

Just a few citations:
https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/418214-border-patrol-official-says-trumps-proposed-border-would-be-absolutely-helpful
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/apr/2/border-patrol-agents-back-trump-wall-survey-finds/
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/border-patrol-agent-trumps-wall-is-the-best-way-to-end-to-the-humanitarian-crisis-on-our-southern-border

I am informed. You are either misrepresenting or misinterpreting your links.

BP wants small sections reinforced judiciously, not "A WALL" (even made of slats) that Trump keeps proposing.

From your links:
1. "Without a doubt, we could use a wall in an area like that," he added.
2. "... they overwhelmingly supported adding a “wall system” in strategic locations …"
3. Link 3 is to a single agent's opinion piece on FOX, in which he apparently thinks $25 billion will complete Trump's "big, beautiful wall." C'mon. There's a slew of court cases for sorting eminent domain, porting in heaving machinery to extremely remote places without any current access, etc. At least your first two links were reasonable -- to an operations representative and to a survey. This guy is a wingnut.

Here's the head of the BP union (this is from 2017, but I think it's a realistic goal, and I think it's where compromise should be aiming):

INSKEEP: So how different is the border going to be assuming that the president's orders are carried out here?

JUDD: I don't think it's going to be - well, OK, it's going to be a lot more secure. But what we're talking about is we're talking about a wall in strategic locations. We're not talking about a great wall of the United States. We're not talking about a continuous wall from California down to Texas. We're talking about a wall in strategic locations which then helps the Border Patrol agents do their job better.

INSKEEP: Because there are some places that are so sparsely populated and the ground is so fierce or so harsh you really don't need...

JUDD: Correct, correct.

INSKEEP: So you've told us when you were on the program last time that about 10 to 15 percent of the border has serious fences in your view and maybe you'd double that under this proposal.

JUDD: That's what I'm thinking. Again, I don't have the exact specifics of what they're going to do, but I do know that they're looking in specific places like Laredo, Texas, where we have very, very little walls. Yet, the state that Laredo, Texas, borders is extremely violent. And so we're looking in locations like that. They're looking in locations like that, but I think it's going to be very effective.

That's where the Border Patrol started, going into this with the new presidency. I think it probably makes sense, although people in the know would have to sort out the details. But Trump kept going back to some massive impenetrable wall that would stretch from coast to coast, and that makes no sense. Really, it doesn't. Even if you can find some wingnut who's willing to fanboy him and grossly underestimate the cost.

You are still uninformed. Trump has stated numerous times that a wall would not work in certain areas due to geography. The plans also include technology.
You are listening to left-wing media giving you part of the information.
And, your citations do not support your statement that border agents don't want a wall.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/13/mexico-border-wall-trump-plan-wont-need-full-border
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trumps-administration-working-build-stronger-borders/

Whatever else Trump has said as a spews random thoughts, he has said "wall" hundreds of times, rarely talks about technology and his latest version of steel slat barrier "design" looks like it was drawn up by an intern in 10 minutes using a 1995 McPaint program. After 2 years in office, he certainly had enough time to do a professional design of what this will look like for it's entire length. So we don't know what his wall really is, you don't know, and even he does not know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Build the wall. The fact that Democrats once, only a few years ago, were all about building a physical barrier says all we need to know. For them, it is an effort to prevent Trump from fulfilling a promise.

Walls work. It was a wall that kept the thousands of migrants in the caravan out when they attempted to storm the border.
The areas along our southern border where fences and walls have been built - illegal immigration in those areas has dropped dramatically.

Why do Democrats want to make it easy for illegal aliens to enter our country?

Why do actual border patrol agents say that using the money to build the wall is not a good idea?

They don't. You are not fully informed.

Just a few citations:
https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/418214-border-patrol-official-says-trumps-proposed-border-would-be-absolutely-helpful
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/apr/2/border-patrol-agents-back-trump-wall-survey-finds/
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/border-patrol-agent-trumps-wall-is-the-best-way-to-end-to-the-humanitarian-crisis-on-our-southern-border

+ 1 A wall will be very successful in keeping out illegal aliens. Israel has cut illegal immigration by 99%, and also have ways of blocking the tunnels. We should do the same.

Israel's "wall" is about 90% fence, is only 400 miles long, is much closer to cities and towns for it's entire length, and there are about 175,000 troops available to patrol both sides of it. CBP has about 20,000 agents to cover 2,000 miles on only on side of the beautiful steel slat barrier.

More reason to make it a wall and not a fence. Coupled with technology, it is successful.
The areas along our border where a physical structure has been erected, illegal entry has dropped dramatically.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/08/22/homeland-security-secretary-border-walls-work-yuma-sector-proves-it-elaine-duke-column/586853001/

Point is, it's not a fair comparison. It's like comparing a backyard fence to the Great Wall of China.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Build the wall. The fact that Democrats once, only a few years ago, were all about building a physical barrier says all we need to know. For them, it is an effort to prevent Trump from fulfilling a promise.

Walls work. It was a wall that kept the thousands of migrants in the caravan out when they attempted to storm the border.
The areas along our southern border where fences and walls have been built - illegal immigration in those areas has dropped dramatically.

Why do Democrats want to make it easy for illegal aliens to enter our country?

Why do actual border patrol agents say that using the money to build the wall is not a good idea?

They don't. You are not fully informed.

Just a few citations:
https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/418214-border-patrol-official-says-trumps-proposed-border-would-be-absolutely-helpful
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/apr/2/border-patrol-agents-back-trump-wall-survey-finds/
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/border-patrol-agent-trumps-wall-is-the-best-way-to-end-to-the-humanitarian-crisis-on-our-southern-border

I am informed. You are either misrepresenting or misinterpreting your links.

BP wants small sections reinforced judiciously, not "A WALL" (even made of slats) that Trump keeps proposing.

From your links:
1. "Without a doubt, we could use a wall in an area like that," he added.
2. "... they overwhelmingly supported adding a “wall system” in strategic locations …"
3. Link 3 is to a single agent's opinion piece on FOX, in which he apparently thinks $25 billion will complete Trump's "big, beautiful wall." C'mon. There's a slew of court cases for sorting eminent domain, porting in heaving machinery to extremely remote places without any current access, etc. At least your first two links were reasonable -- to an operations representative and to a survey. This guy is a wingnut.

Here's the head of the BP union (this is from 2017, but I think it's a realistic goal, and I think it's where compromise should be aiming):

INSKEEP: So how different is the border going to be assuming that the president's orders are carried out here?

JUDD: I don't think it's going to be - well, OK, it's going to be a lot more secure. But what we're talking about is we're talking about a wall in strategic locations. We're not talking about a great wall of the United States. We're not talking about a continuous wall from California down to Texas. We're talking about a wall in strategic locations which then helps the Border Patrol agents do their job better.

INSKEEP: Because there are some places that are so sparsely populated and the ground is so fierce or so harsh you really don't need...

JUDD: Correct, correct.

INSKEEP: So you've told us when you were on the program last time that about 10 to 15 percent of the border has serious fences in your view and maybe you'd double that under this proposal.

JUDD: That's what I'm thinking. Again, I don't have the exact specifics of what they're going to do, but I do know that they're looking in specific places like Laredo, Texas, where we have very, very little walls. Yet, the state that Laredo, Texas, borders is extremely violent. And so we're looking in locations like that. They're looking in locations like that, but I think it's going to be very effective.

That's where the Border Patrol started, going into this with the new presidency. I think it probably makes sense, although people in the know would have to sort out the details. But Trump kept going back to some massive impenetrable wall that would stretch from coast to coast, and that makes no sense. Really, it doesn't. Even if you can find some wingnut who's willing to fanboy him and grossly underestimate the cost.

You are still uninformed. Trump has stated numerous times that a wall would not work in certain areas due to geography. The plans also include technology.
You are listening to left-wing media giving you part of the information.
And, your citations do not support your statement that border agents don't want a wall.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/13/mexico-border-wall-trump-plan-wont-need-full-border
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trumps-administration-working-build-stronger-borders/

Whatever else Trump has said as a spews random thoughts, he has said "wall" hundreds of times, rarely talks about technology and his latest version of steel slat barrier "design" looks like it was drawn up by an intern in 10 minutes using a 1995 McPaint program. After 2 years in office, he certainly had enough time to do a professional design of what this will look like for it's entire length. So we don't know what his wall really is, you don't know, and even he does not know.

Why do you not want to prevent illegal immigration?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Build the wall. The fact that Democrats once, only a few years ago, were all about building a physical barrier says all we need to know. For them, it is an effort to prevent Trump from fulfilling a promise.

Walls work. It was a wall that kept the thousands of migrants in the caravan out when they attempted to storm the border.
The areas along our southern border where fences and walls have been built - illegal immigration in those areas has dropped dramatically.

Why do Democrats want to make it easy for illegal aliens to enter our country?

Why do actual border patrol agents say that using the money to build the wall is not a good idea?

They don't. You are not fully informed.

Just a few citations:
https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/418214-border-patrol-official-says-trumps-proposed-border-would-be-absolutely-helpful
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/apr/2/border-patrol-agents-back-trump-wall-survey-finds/
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/border-patrol-agent-trumps-wall-is-the-best-way-to-end-to-the-humanitarian-crisis-on-our-southern-border

I am informed. You are either misrepresenting or misinterpreting your links.

BP wants small sections reinforced judiciously, not "A WALL" (even made of slats) that Trump keeps proposing.

From your links:
1. "Without a doubt, we could use a wall in an area like that," he added.
2. "... they overwhelmingly supported adding a “wall system” in strategic locations …"
3. Link 3 is to a single agent's opinion piece on FOX, in which he apparently thinks $25 billion will complete Trump's "big, beautiful wall." C'mon. There's a slew of court cases for sorting eminent domain, porting in heaving machinery to extremely remote places without any current access, etc. At least your first two links were reasonable -- to an operations representative and to a survey. This guy is a wingnut.

Here's the head of the BP union (this is from 2017, but I think it's a realistic goal, and I think it's where compromise should be aiming):

INSKEEP: So how different is the border going to be assuming that the president's orders are carried out here?

JUDD: I don't think it's going to be - well, OK, it's going to be a lot more secure. But what we're talking about is we're talking about a wall in strategic locations. We're not talking about a great wall of the United States. We're not talking about a continuous wall from California down to Texas. We're talking about a wall in strategic locations which then helps the Border Patrol agents do their job better.

INSKEEP: Because there are some places that are so sparsely populated and the ground is so fierce or so harsh you really don't need...

JUDD: Correct, correct.

INSKEEP: So you've told us when you were on the program last time that about 10 to 15 percent of the border has serious fences in your view and maybe you'd double that under this proposal.

JUDD: That's what I'm thinking. Again, I don't have the exact specifics of what they're going to do, but I do know that they're looking in specific places like Laredo, Texas, where we have very, very little walls. Yet, the state that Laredo, Texas, borders is extremely violent. And so we're looking in locations like that. They're looking in locations like that, but I think it's going to be very effective.

That's where the Border Patrol started, going into this with the new presidency. I think it probably makes sense, although people in the know would have to sort out the details. But Trump kept going back to some massive impenetrable wall that would stretch from coast to coast, and that makes no sense. Really, it doesn't. Even if you can find some wingnut who's willing to fanboy him and grossly underestimate the cost.

You are still uninformed. Trump has stated numerous times that a wall would not work in certain areas due to geography. The plans also include technology.
You are listening to left-wing media giving you part of the information.
And, your citations do not support your statement that border agents don't want a wall.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/13/mexico-border-wall-trump-plan-wont-need-full-border
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trumps-administration-working-build-stronger-borders/

Whatever else Trump has said as a spews random thoughts, he has said "wall" hundreds of times, rarely talks about technology and his latest version of steel slat barrier "design" looks like it was drawn up by an intern in 10 minutes using a 1995 McPaint program. After 2 years in office, he certainly had enough time to do a professional design of what this will look like for it's entire length. So we don't know what his wall really is, you don't know, and even he does not know.

Why do you not want to prevent illegal immigration?

Why do you want to build a steel picket fence that a person can squeeze through?

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You are still uninformed. Trump has stated numerous times that a wall would not work in certain areas due to geography. The plans also include technology.
You are listening to left-wing media giving you part of the information.
And, your citations do not support your statement that border agents don't want a wall.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/13/mexico-border-wall-trump-plan-wont-need-full-border
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trumps-administration-working-build-stronger-borders/

He has stated numerous direct contradictions of himself on many, many topics. You can find a quote from him on just about any side. Seriously, I'm not just playing tit-for-tat -- have you not noticed that he directly contracts himself all the time?

I don't think border patrol agents don't want any wall. It's not like they would prefer a nice, grassy field or something. But they are not asking for what Trump is insisting on.

And I listen to right-wing talk radio in my car. I do that deliberately to stay informed about discussions I wouldn't be having elsewhere. My station (not in DC area) has Hannity, Rush, Levin, and a really excellent legal call in show. I've never shot a gun, but I now know a lot more about them from another show, and I can understand why people appreciate them more. Anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:Build the wall. The fact that Democrats once, only a few years ago, were all about building a physical barrier says all we need to know. For them, it is an effort to prevent Trump from fulfilling a promise.

Walls work. It was a wall that kept the thousands of migrants in the caravan out when they attempted to storm the border.
The areas along our southern border where fences and walls have been built - illegal immigration in those areas has dropped dramatically.

Why do Democrats want to make it easy for illegal aliens to enter our country?

Why do actual border patrol agents say that using the money to build the wall is not a good idea?

They don't. You are not fully informed.

Just a few citations:
https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/418214-border-patrol-official-says-trumps-proposed-border-would-be-absolutely-helpful
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/apr/2/border-patrol-agents-back-trump-wall-survey-finds/
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/border-patrol-agent-trumps-wall-is-the-best-way-to-end-to-the-humanitarian-crisis-on-our-southern-border

+ 1 A wall will be very successful in keeping out illegal aliens. Israel has cut illegal immigration by 99%, and also have ways of blocking the tunnels. We should do the same.

Why isn't Mexico paying for the wall? Was Trump just lying during his campaign?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Build the wall. The fact that Democrats once, only a few years ago, were all about building a physical barrier says all we need to know. For them, it is an effort to prevent Trump from fulfilling a promise.

Walls work. It was a wall that kept the thousands of migrants in the caravan out when they attempted to storm the border.
The areas along our southern border where fences and walls have been built - illegal immigration in those areas has dropped dramatically.

Why do Democrats want to make it easy for illegal aliens to enter our country?

Why do actual border patrol agents say that using the money to build the wall is not a good idea?

They don't. You are not fully informed.

Just a few citations:
https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/418214-border-patrol-official-says-trumps-proposed-border-would-be-absolutely-helpful
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/apr/2/border-patrol-agents-back-trump-wall-survey-finds/
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/border-patrol-agent-trumps-wall-is-the-best-way-to-end-to-the-humanitarian-crisis-on-our-southern-border

+ 1 A wall will be very successful in keeping out illegal aliens. Israel has cut illegal immigration by 99%, and also have ways of blocking the tunnels. We should do the same.

Why isn't Mexico paying for the wall? Was Trump just lying during his campaign?

Israel didn't really build a wall and they didn't make the Palestinians pay for it, so we are just doing what Israel does when then the Guatemalan terrorist children's caravan comes for us. Maybe we should have Israel build the wall and patrol.the border.