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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Build the wall.  The fact that Democrats once, only a few years ago, were all about building a physical barrier says all we need to know.  For them, it is an effort to prevent Trump from fulfilling a promise.

Walls work.  It was a wall that kept the thousands of migrants in the caravan out when they attempted to storm the border. 
The areas along our southern border where fences and walls have been built - illegal immigration in those areas has dropped dramatically.

Why do Democrats want to make it easy for illegal aliens to enter our country?  [/quote]

Why do actual border patrol agents say that using the money to build the wall is not a good idea?[/quote]

They don't.  You are not fully informed.

Just a few citations:
https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/418214-border-patrol-official-says-trumps-proposed-border-would-be-absolutely-helpful
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/apr/2/border-patrol-agents-back-trump-wall-survey-finds/
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/border-patrol-agent-trumps-wall-is-the-best-way-to-end-to-the-humanitarian-crisis-on-our-southern-border[/quote]

I am informed. You are either misrepresenting or misinterpreting your links.

BP wants small sections reinforced judiciously, not "A WALL" (even made of slats) that Trump keeps proposing.

From your links: 
1. "Without a doubt, we could use a wall [b]in an area like that[/b]," he added. 
2. "... they overwhelmingly supported adding[b] a “wall system” in strategic locations[/b] …"
3. Link 3 is to a single agent's opinion piece on FOX, in which he apparently thinks $25 billion will complete Trump's "big, beautiful wall." C'mon. There's a slew of court cases for sorting eminent domain, porting in heaving machinery to extremely remote places without any current access, etc. At least your first two links were reasonable -- to an operations representative and to a survey. This guy is a wingnut.

Here's the head of the BP union (this is from 2017, but I think it's a realistic goal, and I think it's where compromise should be aiming):

[quote]INSKEEP: So how different is the border going to be assuming that the president's orders are carried out here?

JUDD: I don't think it's going to be - well, OK, it's going to be a lot more secure. But what we're talking about is we're talking about a wall in strategic locations. We're not talking about a great wall of the United States. We're not talking about a continuous wall from California down to Texas. We're talking about a wall in strategic locations which then helps the Border Patrol agents do their job better.

INSKEEP: Because there are some places that are so sparsely populated and the ground is so fierce or so harsh you really don't need...

JUDD: Correct, correct.

INSKEEP: So you've told us when you were on the program last time that about 10 to 15 percent of the border has serious fences in your view and maybe you'd double that under this proposal.

JUDD: That's what I'm thinking. Again, I don't have the exact specifics of what they're going to do, but I do know that they're looking in specific places like Laredo, Texas, where we have very, very little walls. Yet, the state that Laredo, Texas, borders is extremely violent. And so we're looking in locations like that. They're looking in locations like that, but I think it's going to be very effective.
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That's where the Border Patrol started, going into this with the new presidency. I think it probably makes sense, although people in the know would have to sort out the details. But Trump kept going back to some massive impenetrable wall that would stretch from coast to coast, and that makes no sense. Really, it doesn't. Even if you can find some wingnut who's willing to fanboy him and grossly underestimate the cost.

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You are still uninformed.  Trump has stated numerous times that a wall would not work in certain areas due to geography.  The plans also include technology.  
You are listening to left-wing media giving you part of the information.  
And, your citations do not support your statement that border agents don't want a wall.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/13/mexico-border-wall-trump-plan-wont-need-full-border
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trumps-administration-working-build-stronger-borders/[/quote]
Whatever else Trump has said as a spews random thoughts, he has said "wall" hundreds of times, rarely talks about technology and his latest version of steel slat barrier "design" looks like it was drawn up by an intern in 10 minutes using a 1995 McPaint program.  After 2 years in office, he certainly had enough time to do a professional design of what this will look like for it's entire length.  So we don't know what his wall really is, you don't know, and even he does not know.  
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Why do you not want to prevent illegal immigration?  [/quote]

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